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Hip Hop Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: TATEguru v.2K9 on January 26, 2007, 11:35:39 AM
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Friday morning. Not much work to do so I am back for another debate topic.
Inspired by the Selwyn thread (can it even be called that anymore?)
Allow me to pose a question:
"What is the difference between South African Hip Hop and Hip hop (that just happens to be) made in South Africa?"
Everyone's opinion appreciated please.
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Often I find myself watching Mtv base Ch O etc and they showing these artists that are the biggest thing in East Africa etc but they all appear to me like US Rap Clones.
Nothing seems authentic to me. Everything from the clothes, language, beats, video concepts etc all seem to be trying to be something they are not. The American Dream in Africa.
If I rock oversize clothes & a fitted & talk with ATL slang & swag & take a Mannie Fresh sounding 808 beat & rap over it is that South African hip hop?
I guess what I am trying to get people to debate & distinguish here is the subject of authenticity when defining hip hop.
People say: "Lets make SA Hip Hop" but do they really mean "Lets duplicate US hip hop in SA"?
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Tate I think we're still @ the stage of American Hip-Hop made in SA.It'll take some time for an authentic african sound to develop.
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POC's been making South African Hip-Hop. ZuluBoy, VikiNduku,TOP,etc,etc.
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Spaceman"Liosten before you lose don't get it confused there's no such thing as local hip hop just hip hop"
Preach preacher
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we need to start thinking HIPHOP!!!!!!!!
f*** SA hiphop, f*** hiphop made in SA!!!!!! its jus hiphop!!!!!!
the rocawear,g -unit,phat farm - thats hiphop! if u hiphop! rock that shit!!!!theres no beef!!!!
the swagger! the accent! the slang!!! thats hiphop!!! - do that!!!!
being south african doesnt limit you from being HIPHOP!!!!! being south african isnt an issue!!! im tired of niggas thinkin they inferior and cant rep hiphop to the fullest!!!! get a grill on!!! whatever!!! rock that bezel chain!!! talk that grimy ebonic shit!!! its HIPHOP!!!! anyone got a problem with it can EAT A fAT DICK cos U ANTI HIPHOP!!!!!!
its not about south african rappers tryin to be american!!! this shit aint got nothing to do with america!!!! its hiphop cats doin hiphop!!!!! leave the US-SA bullshit out of it!!!!!
u cant tell a reggae dude to sound more kasi and stop sounding jamaican!!!! or dress more SA instead of jamaican!!!! its not a SA-Jamaica issue!!!! its reggae niggas doin they reggae thing!!!!!!
so let a nigga live!!! i am hiphop!!! it is what it is!!!!
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POC's been making South African Hip-Hop. ZuluBoy, VikiNduku,TOP,etc,etc.
What does Landmynz make?
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i honestly think that this whole thing og sa hip hop this and sahiphop that is bullsh*t.
simply because 90% percent of peopl on ag are producers/artists/managers and promoters.
how do you expect ppl to buy your ish by discrediting your whole country?
stop complaining show us your definition of african hip hop music/videos.
fashion is international even the fool next door knows that.
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Hip-hop made by an artist in South Africa, who is a possessor of a South African pa**port or at the very least permanently lives here, is South African hip-hop. End of story.
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Whats wrong with doing hip hop RELATING to YOUR enviroment? you don't pop bottles of cris, you are not in any g-4, or a candy painted 68 whateva it is or rolls driving....
Rep your enviroment proudly...you earn respect that way. falling over ourselves to out dipset the dipsets is never gonna work or canibus or hov or mike jones..
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South African Hip Hop is Hip Hop that you can tell is from South Africa, either through the cultural references in the lyrics, the language, the slang, the accent, or a musical style.
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South African Hip Hop is Hip Hop that you can tell is from South Africa, either through the cultural references in the lyrics, the language, the slang, the accent, or a musical style.
I agree with D.Its all about the frame of reference.
As far as what Cash says I disagree bcoz all those things he's talking about as repping Hip-Hop evolved out of an American context and they portray an American frame of reference.
The question is what is our frame of reference and how do we portray that to everyone else?
My view is that our frame of reference can be found in the everyday experiences we have from our own language, slang, accents, dress sense and musical composition style.
Hip-Hop is just music and what's the point of doing music when ur own people can't relate.
In the States their own people relate to what's being put out but why not here?
The reason I think is bcoz artists here adopt a frame of reference that the people can't relate to.
This debate is a very relevant debate bcoz it goes to the issue of the perspective adopted by SA and African Hip-Hop in general and how relevant and effective that perspective is at reaching the African people.
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South African Hip Hop is Hip Hop that you can tell is from South Africa, either through the cultural references in the lyrics, the language, the slang, the accent, or a musical style.
I agree with D.Its all about the frame of reference.
As far as what Cash says I disagree bcoz all those things he's talking about as repping Hip-Hop evolved out of an American context and they portray an American frame of reference.
The question is what is our frame of reference and how do we portray that to everyone else?
My view is that our frame of reference can be found in the everyday experiences we have from our own language, slang, accents, dress sense and musical composition style.
Hip-Hop is just music and what's the point of doing music when ur own people can't relate.
In the States their own people relate to what's being put out but why not here?
The reason I think is bcoz artists here adopt a frame of reference that the people can't relate to.
This debate is a very relevant debate bcoz it goes to the issue of the perspective adopted by SA and African Hip-Hop in general and how relevant and effective that perspective is at reaching the African people.
my reality right now is - pourin vodka and hennessey, ballin outrageous, rockin hiphop, spittin that FIRE, hollerin at foreign hoes,poppin tags, f*** cris, we was sippin on moet shootin videos in Cape Town. all my niggas is ballin!
when we was broke we wasnt doin all this! but im sayin! its everybody's dream to live the good life!!!! its not jus for Americans! like what?are we not supposed to live good? are we supposed to rather focus on kasi life and poverty!? i got outta that! now im livin how i wana live! rockin what i wana rock! sayin what ever the f*** i wana say! speakin how i wana speak! real talk! when SONY approached us they wanted us to be more "south african", i hollered at my moms(the definition of an african woman!) and she said NAW MAN! DO YOU! DONT DO THAT SOUTH AFRICAN THING!!! MUSIC IS GLOBAL!!!! WHAT U DOIN IS DIFFERENT! THATS WHY WE LOVE IT!( 99,9% the people of UMTATA!!!) WE WANA SEE AFRICA PROGRESS INTO THE FUTURE! WE TIRED OF ALL THESE KWAITO PEOPLE WHO ALL SOUND THE SAME AND HAVE NOTHING RELEVANT TO SAY!!!DO SOMETHIN THAT THE GROWN UPS CAN RESPECT! in a nutshell,she made my hustle official! she gave it merit and said run with it!!!!
thats wisdom right there! yall jus talkin bout how its supposed to be! im tellin u how it is!!!!!!!!
this is bigger than SA!!!!! its global!!! we gotta hav fans in new york to japan!!! the SA market will support u more if u go global!!!!! im more of a universal mc than an SA mc!!!! im proudly SA but see further than these borders! now u gon knock me cos im thinkin out your usual BOX!!! damn!!!
thats life!!!!!
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South African Hip Hop is Hip Hop that you can tell is from South Africa, either through the cultural references in the lyrics, the language, the slang, the accent, or a musical style.
I agree with D.Its all about the frame of reference.
As far as what Cash says I disagree bcoz all those things he's talking about as repping Hip-Hop evolved out of an American context and they portray an American frame of reference.
The question is what is our frame of reference and how do we portray that to everyone else?
My view is that our frame of reference can be found in the everyday experiences we have from our own language, slang, accents, dress sense and musical composition style.
Hip-Hop is just music and what's the point of doing music when ur own people can't relate.
In the States their own people relate to what's being put out but why not here?
The reason I think is bcoz artists here adopt a frame of reference that the people can't relate to.
This debate is a very relevant debate bcoz it goes to the issue of the perspective adopted by SA and African Hip-Hop in general and how relevant and effective that perspective is at reaching the African people.
Very well said. Its a huge struggle for heads to get this kind of thinking in their heads. This shit is the biggest barrier to the progression of SA Hiphop.
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South African Hip Hop is Hip Hop that you can tell is from South Africa, either through the cultural references in the lyrics, the language, the slang, the accent, or a musical style.
I agree with D.Its all about the frame of reference.
As far as what Cash says I disagree bcoz all those things he's talking about as repping Hip-Hop evolved out of an American context and they portray an American frame of reference.
The question is what is our frame of reference and how do we portray that to everyone else?
My view is that our frame of reference can be found in the everyday experiences we have from our own language, slang, accents, dress sense and musical composition style.
Hip-Hop is just music and what's the point of doing music when ur own people can't relate.
In the States their own people relate to what's being put out but why not here?
The reason I think is bcoz artists here adopt a frame of reference that the people can't relate to.
This debate is a very relevant debate bcoz it goes to the issue of the perspective adopted by SA and African Hip-Hop in general and how relevant and effective that perspective is at reaching the African people.
Gweta raTaura!!! :P
Feeling this post here^^^. Couldnt have said it better myself.
Thing isI used tothink just like cash et al. I guess a certain level of conciousness has to be reached.
Open your 3rd eye...
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my reality right now is - pourin vodka and hennessey, ballin outrageous, rockin hiphop, spittin that FIRE, hollerin at foreign hoes,poppin tags, f*** cris, we was sippin on moet shootin videos in Cape Town. all my niggas is ballin!
when we was broke we wasnt doin all this! but im sayin! its everybody's dream to live the good life!!!! its not jus for Americans! like what?are we not supposed to live good? are we supposed to rather focus on kasi life and poverty!? i got outta that! now im livin how i wana live! rockin what i wana rock! sayin what ever the f*** i wana say! speakin how i wana speak! real talk! when SONY approached us they wanted us to be more "south african", i hollered at my moms(the definition of an african woman!) and she said NAW MAN! DO YOU! DONT DO THAT SOUTH AFRICAN THING!!! MUSIC IS GLOBAL!!!! WHAT U DOIN IS DIFFERENT! THATS WHY WE LOVE IT!( 99,9% the people of UMTATA!!!) WE WANA SEE AFRICA PROGRESS INTO THE FUTURE! WE TIRED OF ALL THESE KWAITO PEOPLE WHO ALL SOUND THE SAME AND HAVE NOTHING RELEVANT TO SAY!!!DO SOMETHIN THAT THE GROWN UPS CAN RESPECT! in a nutshell,she made my hustle official! she gave it merit and said run with it!!!!
thats wisdom right there! yall jus talkin bout how its supposed to be! im tellin u how it is!!!!!!!!
this is bigger than SA!!!!! its global!!! we gotta hav fans in new york to japan!!! the SA market will support u more if u go global!!!!! im more of a universal mc than an SA mc!!!! im proudly SA but see further than these borders! now u gon knock me cos im thinkin out your usual BOX!!! damn!!!
thats life!!!!!
Cash, if that's how it is for you cool.But all I ask u to consider is a couple of things.
Firstly, who defined "balling" for you?In-fact who even brought that word into your vocabulary and frame of reference?
Also who taught u to a**ociate the word with sipping moet, foreign "hos" etc?
Its not about u staying broke or acting like u're broke but its also a question of how u perceive the notion of success. Your perception of the notion of success seems influenced by rap lyrics.
Its different for instance from what the middle or capitalist cla**' perception of what success is.
Who taught u to interpret success in that way, and also to celebrate and articulate it in that manner?
Do u think that's a universal notion of success that u hold or rather it reflects the views of the black american undercla**?
Is that view of success appropriate in the African context?Does it do anything to advance our hustling in our own individual context as Africans?
For instance why aren't you talking about BEE schemes, stocks, shares, mutual funds and bonds?Isn't this what we really need to learn about in order to be successful?
Your frame of reference seems to have been limited by rap lyrics and u don't really pause to consider how the objects of your frame of reference i.e. moet and "hos" are relevant in our context and what purpose they actually achieve.
That's how deeply embedded in your consciousness the black american undercla** frame of reference has become. To the extent that it comes out from deep within you as a mental reflex.
Just pause to consider this if u will.I think a lot of headz r still in that very same headspace.
About going international, I don't think going international depends on how well u can soak ur music with an American/Foreign frame of reference.
For instance, Oliver Mtukudzi, Baba Maal, Yousou Ndoor (excuse my spelling), Salif Keita, Franco Luambo to name just a few made it big internationally by sticking to their own frame of reference.
Artists like Bob Marley, Fela Kuti, Harry Belafonte, Miriam Makeba, Lucky Dube etc who communicated in English were still succesful bcoz they used the English language to depict their unique frame of reference.
They didn't portray anything else other than their situations as individuals and as a people. They didn't adopt a foreign frame of reference in order to garner success.
So I believe u can make it internationally even if u flow in English but ultimately ur stories must depict where u're from in the unique vernacular of the English language that exists in ur own area e.g. the Nigerian slang used by Fela or the Jamaican slang used by Bob Marley.
I honestly think if u try and come across like an NY cat to real NY catz u'll come across as a joke. At the end of the day we don't really understand the nuances of their culture just like they don't understand ours.
Listening to Hip-Hop CDs doesn't really allow u to live vicariously thru the situations the rappers r talking about. U can learn how its like for them over there, but U can never fully understand how it is bcoz u really don't walk in their shoes.
The whole world wants to know how its like to walk in ur shoes and we want to hear u say it in ur own unique way.This is what I believe makes a great artist.
Pac used to weep in ebonics and Biggie used to be ruthless & unflinching in the same vernac.That's what made them so dope.
When its all said and done, I wish u luck in ur career, and I don't want to come across as a prophet of doom bcoz at the end of the day we're dealing with art which is subjective.
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yo Vexer.....hiphop defines me!!!!!! i dont try to define hiphop!!! unlike you!!!!
my frame of references are simple! im not trying to complicate the obvious!!! as human beings we are driven to achieve - mainly love,acceptance,wealth,spirituality and fulfilment in life!!!!!!!! thats what im all about!!! "ballin" is a black thing! u dont gotta go all the way to america to realise that! its in my nature to wanna floss! look at these BEE niggas pushin mad german whips and livin in mansions!!! look at tony yengeni ballin to the courtroom!!!! i was into ballin before i even got introduced to hiphop!!!its that simple! dont try make it out to be somethin it isnt!!!!!!!
i really dont give a flyin f*** about black american undercla**!!! this is all about hiphop!!! f*** the undercla**! they jus as broke as most my niggas here!
the hiphop movement is different! were achievers!!!! we grow!!!! we aspire!!!! we BALL cos we can!!!!
i aint tryin to come across as anything but myself!!! bottom line!!! the way you interpret me is your own! i represent the EC to the fullest! it aint my fault im jus that nice that u can compare me to the hottest in NY!!!!
stop makin everything into rocket science! i keep it simple and true! u tellin me how it should be(idealist)! im tellin u how it is!!!!!(realist)!!!
biggie and pac! yeah! thats one of my frames of reference!!!
and i know u want me to succeed cos i reflect a part of you that excites you!!!!!!that part of you that wants to go against the grain!!! that part of you that you would rather conceal! cos once its unleashed its gonna explode and take over everything uv been brainwashed into believing is wrong or right!!!! and thats a beautiful thing!
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compare you to the hottest is NY :roll: , I think your being too cocky, and wheres your track record ? How come I still haven't heard of you ?
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compare you to the hottest is NY :roll: , I think your being too cocky, and wheres your track record ? How come I still haven't heard of you ?
act like u know nigga!!!!!!! hahaha! that statement wasnt cocky! i get compared to the likes of Jay a lot! like i said- it aint my fault!!!!
track record? check out FORUMS-MEDIA-THE MONOPOLY(MORE CRACK)!!!
or holler at real niggas like morale,xplicit,donnie brasco,basemob,anybody in umtata(EC!)! holler at dj waxxy,dj fresh, tbo touch(i had two no.1 hits on metro natioanl hiphop charts!),holler at IGHO(nigeria's finest!!!), holler at the streets, got a video on rotation on channel o(was nominated for top100 videos in 2006). holler at clinch!
even the whack niggas know me!!!!
i aint even need to have a track record, i got a CRACK RECORD!!!!!!!
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yo Vexer.....hiphop defines me!!!!!! i dont try to define hiphop!!! unlike you!!!!
my frame of references are simple! im not trying to complicate the obvious!!! as human beings we are driven to achieve - mainly love,acceptance,wealth,spirituality and fulfilment in life!!!!!!!! thats what im all about!!! "ballin" is a black thing! u dont gotta go all the way to america to realise that! its in my nature to wanna floss! look at these BEE niggas pushin mad german whips and livin in mansions!!! look at tony yengeni ballin to the courtroom!!!! i was into ballin before i even got introduced to hiphop!!!its that simple! dont try make it out to be somethin it isnt!!!!!!!
i really dont give a flyin f*** about black american undercla**!!! this is all about hiphop!!! f*** the undercla**! they jus as broke as most my niggas here!
the hiphop movement is different! were achievers!!!! we grow!!!! we aspire!!!! we BALL cos we can!!!!
i aint tryin to come across as anything but myself!!! bottom line!!! the way you interpret me is your own! i represent the EC to the fullest! it aint my fault im jus that nice that u can compare me to the hottest in NY!!!!
stop makin everything into rocket science! i keep it simple and true! u tellin me how it should be(idealist)! im tellin u how it is!!!!!(realist)!!!
biggie and pac! yeah! thats one of my frames of reference!!!
and i know u want me to succeed cos i reflect a part of you that excites you!!!!!!that part of you that wants to go against the grain!!! that part of you that you would rather conceal! cos once its unleashed its gonna explode and take over everything uv been brainwashed into believing is wrong or right!!!! and thats a beautiful thing!
Cash.The only thing I asked u to consider is why u express and interpret ur reality like a black american from the American ghetto.
This is not a simple thing bcoz it requires u to confront urself on a number of levels bcoz ultimately u'll be questioning your self-concept and identity.
U honestly don't view ur current self-concept as a derivative of the black american ghetto experience which is fine.
However, I think ur self-concept is a derivative of this experience hence ur current perception of what reality is and isn't. e.g. for u success equates with 'balling', sipping moet, hennesy, "dropping kris" etc which is exactly what the ghetto perception in America is all about.
All I'm saying is maybe if headz stopped being black american derivatives then their music would also stop being a black american derivative.
I don't think u represent me at all bcoz our perceptions of reality are radically different and my self-concept is not constructed around the various facets of the black American ghetto experience.
Its clear that u work hard and u got ur deal thru it so I have 2 respect the work ethic u have and where u've managed to take ur vision.
Only time will tell whether that's a workable vision and that choice is up to the people.
Good luck.
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so be it!!!!!!!!
while i grind and work my way up! keep pondering and coming up with more intuitive and hypothetical ideas!!!!!
reality is, the best way forward is the simplest way forward! the more complicated u make things, the slower your progress!!!!
u already know what im about, and u LOVE IT NIGGA!!!!!!!! im bringin HEART to the game!!!!!! Courage Ambition Strenght and Hustle!!!!!! thats me!!!!!!!!!!! thats what i represent!CASH!!!!!! if u dont represent that! COOL!!! iv looked way deep into my soul and realised that only God can judge ME"ahem - tupac", and he dont look at things the way u do! trust me! he dont care about your ideals! he sees what it is! the way it is! people have perceptions. like U, like ME!!!! but im about breakin those perceptions and bringin my reality into the peoples minds!!!!!!!!!
im bringin a whole different way of thinkin! and for those such as yourself who have extensively thought out shit! me comin and saying CHANGE YOUR WAY OF THINKIN!! its harder for u to do that! ur where i was before i changed my way of thinkin! ur still fighting with yourself!!!!!ur still in conflict with yourself!!!! still teething!!! im way beyond that!!!!
im neo in the matrix!!! matter fact iv cracked the matrix!!!!!!!! im ten neos in one!!!!
HOller at ya boy!!!!! :lol:
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so be it!!!!!!!!
while i grind and work my way up! keep pondering and coming up with more intuitive and hypothetical ideas!!!!!
reality is, the best way forward is the simplest way forward! the more complicated u make things, the slower your progress!!!!
u already know what im about, and u LOVE IT NIGGA!!!!!!!! im bringin HEART to the game!!!!!! Courage Ambition Strenght and Hustle!!!!!! thats me!!!!!!!!!!! thats what i represent!CASH!!!!!! if u dont represent that! COOL!!! iv looked way deep into my soul and realised that only God can judge ME"ahem - tupac", and he dont look at things the way u do! trust me! he dont care about your ideals! he sees what it is! the way it is! people have perceptions. like U, like ME!!!! but im about breakin those perceptions and bringin my reality into the peoples minds!!!!!!!!!
im bringin a whole different way of thinkin! and for those such as yourself who have extensively thought out shit! me comin and saying CHANGE YOUR WAY OF THINKIN!! its harder for u to do that! ur where i was before i changed my way of thinkin! ur still fighting with yourself!!!!!ur still in conflict with yourself!!!! still teething!!! im way beyond that!!!!
im neo in the matrix!!! matter fact iv cracked the matrix!!!!!!!! im ten neos in one!!!!
HOller at ya boy!!!!! :lol:
We're all working hard.Just bcoz I don't plot like a person from the American ghetto doesn't mean I'm just hypothetical and not advancing myself in life.
The issue for me is what kind of mentality I choose to progress with bcoz that influences the opportunities u can see and the investment decisions u make.
Don't downplay other catz and their hustle for the simple reason that they don't hustle the way u do. We all go after different things and we adopt different methods in choosing to get to where we want to get to.
Just bcoz we're not mouthing off like rappers doesn't mean we're doing nothing or that we're lagging behind.
What u're saying is based on your a**umptions about my life. You actually know nothing about my vision and the struggles I'm going through to get there.
Hope things work out for you tho'. And no, I don't know that u're nice but that's just me and I'm willing to leave it at that bcoz Hip-Hop doesn't belong to me.
Its just my 2 cents.
If u feel so touched maybe what I'm saying resonates with some part of you but u're just in denial.
I really don't know bcoz I'm not a psycho-analyst.
Only time will tell whether u really possess the knowledge and insight u seem to think u do and for me that's good enuff.
Ur individual success or failure doesn't add or subtract to my life at the end of the day. So either way I'm comfortable with whatever happens.
Peace.
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my reality right now is - pourin vodka and hennessey, ballin outrageous, rockin hiphop, spittin that FIRE, hollerin at foreign hoes,poppin tags, f*** cris, we was sippin on moet shootin videos in Cape Town. all my niggas is ballin!...
... i hollered at my moms(the definition of an african woman!) and she said NAW MAN! DO YOU! DONT DO THAT SOUTH AFRICAN THING!!! MUSIC IS GLOBAL!!!! WHAT U DOIN IS DIFFERENT! THATS WHY WE LOVE IT!( 99,9% the people of UMTATA!!!) WE WANA SEE AFRICA PROGRESS INTO THE FUTURE! WE TIRED OF ALL THESE KWAITO PEOPLE WHO ALL SOUND THE SAME AND HAVE NOTHING RELEVANT TO SAY!!!DO SOMETHIN THAT THE GROWN UPS CAN RESPECT! in a nutshell,she made my hustle official! she gave it merit and said run with it!!!!
thats wisdom right there! yall jus talkin bout how its supposed to be! im tellin u how it is!!!!!!!!
Sorry to be pedantic but the above post seems tosuggest that your mother was co-signing you calling women "HOES" 8O
Calling women by such deraugatory terms blongs in the Black American undercla**'s frame of reference not ours as Africans I'm sure you will agree?
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Cash, if that's how it is for you cool.But all I ask u to consider is a couple of things.
Firstly, who defined "balling" for you?In-fact who even brought that word into your vocabulary and frame of reference?
Also who taught u to a**ociate the word with sipping moet, foreign "hos" etc?
Its not about u staying broke or acting like u're broke but its also a question of how u perceive the notion of success. Your perception of the notion of success seems influenced by rap lyrics.
Its different for instance from what the middle or capitalist cla**' perception of what success is.
Who taught u to interpret success in that way, and also to celebrate and articulate it in that manner?
Do u think that's a universal notion of success that u hold or rather it reflects the views of the black american undercla**?
Is that view of success appropriate in the African context?Does it do anything to advance our hustling in our own individual context as Africans?
For instance why aren't you talking about BEE schemes, stocks, shares, mutual funds and bonds?Isn't this what we really need to learn about in order to be successful?
Your frame of reference seems to have been limited by rap lyrics and u don't really pause to consider how the objects of your frame of reference i.e. moet and "hos" are relevant in our context and what purpose they actually achieve.
That's how deeply embedded in your consciousness the black american undercla** frame of reference has become. To the extent that it comes out from deep within you as a mental reflex.
Just pause to consider this if u will.I think a lot of headz r still in that very same headspace.
About going international, I don't think going international depends on how well u can soak ur music with an American/Foreign frame of reference.
For instance, Oliver Mtukudzi, Baba Maal, Yousou Ndoor (excuse my spelling), Salif Keita, Franco Luambo to name just a few made it big internationally by sticking to their own frame of reference.
Artists like Bob Marley, Fela Kuti, Harry Belafonte, Miriam Makeba, Lucky Dube etc who communicated in English were still succesful bcoz they used the English language to depict their unique frame of reference.
They didn't portray anything else other than their situations as individuals and as a people. They didn't adopt a foreign frame of reference in order to garner success.
So I believe u can make it internationally even if u flow in English but ultimately ur stories must depict where u're from in the unique vernacular of the English language that exists in ur own area e.g. the Nigerian slang used by Fela or the Jamaican slang used by Bob Marley.
I honestly think if u try and come across like an NY cat to real NY catz u'll come across as a joke. At the end of the day we don't really understand the nuances of their culture just like they don't understand ours.
Listening to Hip-Hop CDs doesn't really allow u to live vicariously thru the situations the rappers r talking about. U can learn how its like for them over there, but U can never fully understand how it is bcoz u really don't walk in their shoes.
The whole world wants to know how its like to walk in ur shoes and we want to hear u say it in ur own unique way.This is what I believe makes a great artist.
Pac used to weep in ebonics and Biggie used to be ruthless & unflinching in the same vernac.That's what made them so dope.
When its all said and done, I wish u luck in ur career, and I don't want to come across as a prophet of doom bcoz at the end of the day we're dealing with art which is subjective.
Vexer "STOP IT NOW..." you are making too much sense you might hurt someone...
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Calling women by such derogatory terms blongs in the Black American undercla**'s frame of reference not ours as Africans I'm sure you will agree?
SOMEBODY GIVE THIS MAN A MEDAL!!! and vexer too while they at it ...
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Calling women by such derogatory terms blongs in the Black American undercla**'s frame of reference not ours as Africans I'm sure you will agree?
SOMEBODY GIVE THIS MAN A MEDAL!!! and vexer too while they at it ...
Who ME?..Err I wasn't really wasnt expecting it...I dont even have an acceptance speech...Errr I'd like to thank my moms...
Seriously though people need to check themselves & do some introspect.
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We're all working hard.Just bcoz I don't plot like a person from the American ghetto doesn't mean I'm just hypothetical and not advancing myself in life.
The issue for me is what kind of mentality I choose to progress with bcoz that influences the opportunities u can see and the investment decisions u make.
Don't downplay other catz and their hustle for the simple reason that they don't hustle the way u do. We all go after different things and we adopt different methods in choosing to get to where we want to get to.
Just bcoz we're not mouthing off like rappers doesn't mean we're doing nothing or that we're lagging behind.
What u're saying is based on your a**umptions about my life. You actually know nothing about my vision and the struggles I'm going through to get there.
Hope things work out for you tho'. And no, I don't know that u're nice but that's just me and I'm willing to leave it at that bcoz Hip-Hop doesn't belong to me.
Its just my 2 cents.
If u feel so touched maybe what I'm saying resonates with some part of you but u're just in denial.
I really don't know bcoz I'm not a psycho-analyst.
Only time will tell whether u really possess the knowledge and insight u seem to think u do and for me that's good enuff.
Ur individual success or failure doesn't add or subtract to my life at the end of the day. So either way I'm comfortable with whatever happens.
Peace.[/quote]NIGGA IF U PUT THIS MUCH Pa**ION IN YO WORK... U CUD BE THE HOT.......
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Damn and I thought we were just reviving old threads today. Respect to all active minds...
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Calling women by such derogatory terms blongs in the Black American undercla**'s frame of reference not ours as Africans I'm sure you will agree?
SOMEBODY GIVE THIS MAN A MEDAL!!! and vexer too while they at it ...
Thanks Beak. :D :D :D :D
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Vexer....Very well put. It can't be said any better.
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Cash, if that's how it is for you cool.But all I ask u to consider is a couple of things.
Firstly, who defined "balling" for you?In-fact who even brought that word into your vocabulary and frame of reference?
Also who taught u to a**ociate the word with sipping moet, foreign "hos" etc?
Its not about u staying broke or acting like u're broke but its also a question of how u perceive the notion of success. Your perception of the notion of success seems influenced by rap lyrics.
Its different for instance from what the middle or capitalist cla**' perception of what success is.
Who taught u to interpret success in that way, and also to celebrate and articulate it in that manner?
Do u think that's a universal notion of success that u hold or rather it reflects the views of the black american undercla**?
Is that view of success appropriate in the African context?Does it do anything to advance our hustling in our own individual context as Africans?
For instance why aren't you talking about BEE schemes, stocks, shares, mutual funds and bonds?Isn't this what we really need to learn about in order to be successful?
Your frame of reference seems to have been limited by rap lyrics and u don't really pause to consider how the objects of your frame of reference i.e. moet and "hos" are relevant in our context and what purpose they actually achieve.
That's how deeply embedded in your consciousness the black american undercla** frame of reference has become. To the extent that it comes out from deep within you as a mental reflex.
Just pause to consider this if u will.I think a lot of headz r still in that very same headspace.
About going international, I don't think going international depends on how well u can soak ur music with an American/Foreign frame of reference.
For instance, Oliver Mtukudzi, Baba Maal, Yousou Ndoor (excuse my spelling), Salif Keita, Franco Luambo to name just a few made it big internationally by sticking to their own frame of reference.
Artists like Bob Marley, Fela Kuti, Harry Belafonte, Miriam Makeba, Lucky Dube etc who communicated in English were still succesful bcoz they used the English language to depict their unique frame of reference.
They didn't portray anything else other than their situations as individuals and as a people. They didn't adopt a foreign frame of reference in order to garner success.
So I believe u can make it internationally even if u flow in English but ultimately ur stories must depict where u're from in the unique vernacular of the English language that exists in ur own area e.g. the Nigerian slang used by Fela or the Jamaican slang used by Bob Marley.
I honestly think if u try and come across like an NY cat to real NY catz u'll come across as a joke. At the end of the day we don't really understand the nuances of their culture just like they don't understand ours.
Listening to Hip-Hop CDs doesn't really allow u to live vicariously thru the situations the rappers r talking about. U can learn how its like for them over there, but U can never fully understand how it is bcoz u really don't walk in their shoes.
The whole world wants to know how its like to walk in ur shoes and we want to hear u say it in ur own unique way.This is what I believe makes a great artist.
Pac used to weep in ebonics and Biggie used to be ruthless & unflinching in the same vernac.That's what made them so dope.
When its all said and done, I wish u luck in ur career, and I don't want to come across as a prophet of doom bcoz at the end of the day we're dealing with art which is subjective.
VEXER FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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she not only co-singed that but she said i shud get at these pussy a** rappers in the game and knock them the f*** out! like LL's mama!!!!!
not in those words tho!
she also said i shudnt mince my words and always be true!
so if a bitch is a bitch! thats what it is!!!! theres lots of bitches in the world!!! dont act like they dont exist! i call a woman a woman! a bitch a bitch! and even yo moms respect that! hell, ur moms probly call that bitch a** hoe at her church a bitch too! jus on the low!!!! hahahaha!!!!
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Zuluboy is d one MC/Poet whos telling genuine S.A. stories.Stay real n relevant Zulu, uyesabeka.
But someone like Crazy Lu / Loo or Moral/e doesn' t represent any kind of true South African.
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Zuluboy is d one MC/Poet whos telling genuine S.A. stories.Stay real n relevant Zulu, uyesabeka.
But someone like Crazy Lu / Loo or Moral/e doesn' t represent any kind of true South African.
thats an old mentality dog! have u read RICH DAD POOR DAD!!!! i think u need to read it man! u are still thinking a true South African is what it was ten years ago! so what if he's zulu! we got indian south africans,greek south africans,afrikaaner south africans, coulered south africans!!! they can tell theyre story too and its still TRUE SOUTH AFRICAN! crazy lu lives that life he raps about so its definitely a TRUE SOUTH AFRICANS STORY!!!
i tell u my true SA story! and it has nothing to do with anything u might relate to, but guess what! morale relates to it! crazy lu relates to it! and millions of other south africans who arent caught in the old ways of thinking relate to it too!!!! niggas in nigeria relate to my hustle!!!! i dun did interviews for nigerian magazines and shows and they came to us!!
u jus stuck in the past! we ballin now! we got the freedom to do and say whatever we dream of! nelson mandela suffered for us to enjoy the opportunity to explore new ways! new ways to think! new ways to make money! new ways to expand our minds! new ways to define what a South African is! and most importantly,new ways to grow and become citizens of the world! we not jus south african! we part of the whole world!!! open ur mind!!!!
so zuluboy is tellin genuine SA zulu stories! thats great! but he has to expand at some point and tell stories that all Africans can relate to! cos he aint sellin no records! meaning not too many people relate!period! hes limited to you and a few other zulu peeps! (i bet u didnt even buy that album! whats it called! send me the track listing!) hahahaha!!!! get outta here!!!!
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hey cash, I'm understanding what you saying and your views are sinking in, hip hop is hip hop period and lots of ppl still have that old mentality hopefully the mainstream ppl will see that too, but your still cocky and need to prove most of your claims
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hey cash, I'm understanding what you saying and your views are sinking in, hip hop is hip hop period and lots of ppl still have that old mentality hopefully the mainstream ppl will see that too, but your still cocky and need to prove most of your claims
my biggest challenge is to show people that im not being cocky!!! im merely stating it the way i see it!!! i aint sugar coating nothing!!!! they say u cant teach an old dog new tricks(referring to the SA hiphop industry), so ima beat that dog till its either DEAD or WISENS UP!!!
im a new dog! a whole new breed nigga! im cut from a different cloth! its no wonder theres so much backlash when i speak!!!!! these niggas is half breed! kwai-hop!
the music speaks for itself!! go to forums- media - the monopoly(more crack)!!! download that shit!!!!!!!! listen to that shit! feel that shit! and stay posted cos we uploading more crack every two weeks!!! forever!!! period!!!!look out for us soon on radio! tv! more music videos! gigs!(2nd march - the CRACK MOVEMENT)!!!
like t-boz said nigga! aint nothin wrong wit feelin yaself! hahaha! i aint talkin bout masturbatin!!! im talkin bout havin that SWAGGER!! that CONFIDENCE IN WHATU DO and BELIEVING IN SOMETHING!!! im like NEO in the matrix man! im up againt incredible odds but i still got that strength to huslte on till the death!!!!! its that TIME!!! matter fact! its my time!!!! to you this might sound crazy! thats exactly what they said when Steve Biko spoke!!!!
yizzur!!!u wana know if im for real!come see me and we can talk FACE TO FACE!!!!
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vkdsnFKMND:LBjMBknn 8O
too many labels! ever wonder why no one talks about south african rock/punk etc?!
hmmmm :?
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Zuluboy is d one MC/Poet whos telling genuine S.A. stories.Stay real n relevant Zulu, uyesabeka.
But someone like Crazy Lu / Loo or Moral/e doesn' t represent any kind of true South African.
SA HIP HOP IS NOT RAPPING IN ZULU, NOR IS IT RELEVANT TO RAP IN ENGLISH FOR IT TO BE HIP HOP. I THINK U JUST WANT PEOPLE TO RAP LIKE HIP HOP ORIGINATED HERE... YO PUNK a** DOES NOT LISTEN WELL DO YOSELF A FAVOUR & LISTEN TO POLYGAMY & THT SHIT DOES NOT HAPPEN IN THE STATES ,ONLY HERE(AFRICA & OTHER PLACES) SO I FEEL THT TRACK REPRESENTS A TRUE SOUTH AFRICAN... U JUST ANOTHER KWAITO FAN WHO IS USING HIP HOP.... NEXT THING U WILL TEL ME IS THT SA HIP HOP HAS TO HAV AT LEAST A VERNAC VERSE....BE f***EN REAL... WHT IS TRUE SOUTH AFRICAN ...NO-ONE CAN GIVE ME A VERSION THT WILL BE TRUE IN MY MIND... THINK OUT THE BOX NIGGA
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Hip-Hop is just music
I think its more then music...its Kultcha and I'm livin it.. :!:
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Hip-Hop is just music
I think its more then music...its Kultcha and I'm livin it.. :!:
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DAWG I THINK U NEED TO HAV A 1ON1 WITH A SHIT LOAD OF MCEES WHO THINK HIP HOP IS JUST MUSIC
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This is EXACTLY the kind of thing that will kill SA Hip Hop:
baserock the type o nigga who take cock/
even in the kitcken in a pot he aint hot/
i call u a nigga cos im spike lee n u'll get shot/
what u know about africa nigga except a game lodge/
lions n cheetahs,i role wit hyenas/ :lol:
im a wild boy n i aint talkin MTV/
im in to money,what u know about BEE/ :lol:
pop Moet all day while u hide from the streets/
u on the block wit no change,im in the motherland, crunk!!!!/
makin it rain, i hav to, we had a drought for months :lol:
my pockets look like camels dog, damn, they got humps!!!
what u know about ballin when its 30 degrees/
keep my jewels on,yeah i keep my wrist's on freeze/
chain hang, throw it up so i can catch the African breeze/
ask funk flex about African MC's, bet u one thing, he definitely memtionin ME!
Holler!!!!!!!
i jus bodied u!!!!!!!! :wink:
COPYCATS.
and I agree that everybody's a biter
But if you Xerox my style, then that's infringin on my copy, right?
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^^^Was dude biting Phonte?
If so...track?
If not..who? Which lines?
'Holla'
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u a pussy a** cat from the US scared of gion up the block! u cant f*** wit me man! im bigger than u! my balls is LLLLAAAAAAAARGE nigga! u a lil nigga! IM A CAPITALIST NIGGA! where u from Wisconsin? hahahahaha!
pussy! since ya name baserock! go bake yaself n go hustle bitch! :lol:
we grindin here! u only hear about it on ya favourite rap albums!
im gettin it nigga! right here in Johannesburg!
king o the EC bitch! thats the equivalent of the whole Dirty South nigga!
i run that shit! who the f*** are u? :o
fall back!
^^^
How are you gonna lace your rhymes with references to places & things you CLEARLY have NO idea about. FAKE
Its very easy to listen to US hip hop music & attempt to clone (xerox) it. But everyone (both US & SA listeners) can easily see thru it & you look stupid.
Thats when this happens:
i never been to Wisconsin but know that Wisconsin houses the city of Milwakee which leads the US in murders for the past 11 months. And i bet you wonder how a city of only 430'000 people could out-do our larger cities in the US right now huh? well, with this operation enduring freedom (iraq) 60% of the police officers in Milwakee are in military reserve components. and 35% are in Iraq right now. :) (bet ya didn't know that.) So Wisconsin isn't as soft as you think. I saw your from Joburg, 2nd to none as murder capitol of the world. but you only mentioned you are from there once and the rest of you claim is based off how we livin on the other side. i've lost respect for you being from there reppin a distant lifestyle, you should move to George or somthing.
Don't body yourself.
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I've been avoiding threads that contain arguments with Cash recently, cos they just make my brain itch, but what Vexer mentioned about African artists who go international is true.
The only ones who really make it in Europe and elsewhere, are the ones who stick to what they know and that is being African. The fact is that there are a million other cats out there rapping in american accents and using the slang and talking about shit they know nothing about. At the end of the day, that is all they are though, fake Americans, and a real American is always gonna be a better American than you, so forget it.
A funny thing is, that when you go to Europe and elsewhere, no one is even interested in an African artist if they dont "sound african", because they know American hip hop is a dime a dozen and as I already said, you wont be able to beat them at their own shit. They are interested in hearing something different. That's why you'll often see clubs in France packed to the brim with young kids when Judith Sephuma or the like are performing, whilst big-selling who rap/sing in English cant sell ten tickets.
So keep dreaming about making it big, I'll buy you a ticket to the 2010 WC, cos by then your career will be just a forgotten dream and you'll be cleaning my toilets. I'll be reverting to the bucket system especially for you.
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Cloneman seems to be on fast lane to retardedness......
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yeah maf***er!!!! i been retarded wit the flow!!!!! :D
u cats really got inferiority complexes! this dude was goin on about SA like he knows whats up! droppin his CNN stereotype rhymes! but yall still side wit him cos he IN AMERICA :lol:
yalll aint even mad he dissin SA(africa), yall praise him and diss ya own!
its typical African behaviour! :D
this nigga dion research like a maf***er! im jus spittin from the heart. on the spot! hahahahaha!!!!!! that nigga a google rapper! checkin for facts!!!
f***ing faggot! whatever he said, he can still get it! he can still get smacked when i see him! :D you heard me baserock! u country a** cotton picker! hahahahahahaaha
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f*** yall niggas man!
yall infatuated wit basecock! hhhahahhahaa!!!!!!
faggots! :lol:
thats whats killin SA hiphop! all the gay MOVES!
did yall see HHP on Strictly Come Dancin! WTF? :lol: :lol:
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yalll aint even mad he dissin SA(africa), yall praise him and diss ya own!
its typical African behaviour! :D
There is a lot to be said for "keeping it real" in hip hop.
As they say "Real recognise Real" & you (Cash clone) look kind of unfamiliar.
Authenticity goes a long way & you my black&white-with-the-ink-cartridge-running-out copy cat friend have NONE/ ZERO/ NIX.
Everyone can see that.
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:D ur funny man!
dont get it twisted! im only unfamiliar to you cos u dont know REAL! :idea:
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what everybody sees is a dude with heart n swagger!
a dude wit balls to change this bullshit u call HIPHOP in SA!
im the truth!
im sure jus about everybody except for you agree!
u have been overthrown! open ya eyes!
IM IN THE STREETS PUSHIN UNITS!
IM ON THE CHARTS!
IM IN THE STUDIO!
ON TV! RADIO!
IN THE BANK PUTTIN MY MONEY AWAY!
IM ON AG! showin niggas the light!
u jus in ya own head! distorting your own reality!
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what everybody sees is a dude with heart n swagger!
a dude wit balls to change this bullshit u call HIPHOP in SA!
im the truth!
im sure jus about everybody except for you agree!
u have been overthrown! open ya eyes!
IM IN THE STREETS PUSHIN UNITS!
IM ON THE CHARTS!
IM IN THE STUDIO!
ON TV! RADIO!
IN THE BANK PUTTIN MY MONEY AWAY!
IM ON AG! showin niggas the light!
u jus in ya own head! distorting your own reality!
Okay Clone boy. What do you say we do a poll of a random sample (say everyone on AG) on whether Cash is "Real" ie Authentic or not?
If I am right & more thn 75% of the votes say you not you log off we delete you account & you never post on this site again.
If I am wrong I will retire too.
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better yet post a track. lets see what u about. cos some of us dont know u or the claims u make cash.
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yeah lets do a poll!
who diggin that CRACK!?
Yo Black -Child, check out the national HIPHOP charts!
i can hear me there everyweek!
if u want a copy of the mixtape holler at me! 0741CMONEY(266639), i'll call u back!
do the f***in poll man!
lets see what the REAL peeps think!
Shud i stay? shud i go?
i guess this is the only way u think u can get rid o me! hahahahahhahahaa!!!!!! childish! :wink:
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better yet post a track. lets see what u about. cos some of us dont know u or the claims u make cash.
I've met the dude and he's real and makes cash from this music, he doesn't have to prove that to anyone
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Yho Sensei this thing of deciding on AG and shit is not gonna work...look most of AG peeps were unhappy abt Flabba taking an award but that changed nothing. AG is just a message board thats all it is...if u have different opinions with someone then just agree to disagree 8) .
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Back 2 da topic....
Seems like the more i understand, the more confusing it gets. my opinion.
since Hiphop is a culture, a global culture at that, i think its then safe to call it Hiphop in South africa than South African Hiphop. Coz i believe that wen we call it SA HIPHOP thats when we open room for shit like Kwai-Hip or Kwai-Hop whatevr its called...
With reference to people relating, Cats should be real to themselves first for streets to respect them. For example, Tumi (T2V), Been criticised of his accent but as South Africans we relate to his tracks hence 1976. Secondly, Proverb has also been critised of trying to be American but also has mad love from the streets. then there is cat like Pro-kid, Zuluboy they are also doing hiphop differently from the cats mention (Zuluboy- zulupoetmc, Pro-kasi slang) they are all getting love from the streets. So is it then safe to close off by quoting Proverb "Focus on what im saying, not how im saying it".
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better yet post a track. lets see what u about. cos some of us dont know u or the claims u make cash.
I've met the dude and he's real and makes cash from this music, he doesn't have to prove that to anyone
it any even serious but if u say he walks the talk then something must be working. then the issue of his relevacy to this market falls away doesnt it?
im jus sayin
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Back 2 da topic....
Seems like the more i understand, the more confusing it gets. my opinion.
since Hiphop is a culture, a global culture at that, i think its then safe to call it Hiphop in South africa than South African Hiphop. Coz i believe that wen we call it SA HIPHOP thats when we open room for shit like Kwai-Hip or Kwai-Hop whatevr its called...
With reference to people relating, Cats should be real to themselves first for streets to respect them. For example, Tumi (T2V), Been criticised of his accent but as South Africans we relate to his tracks hence 1976. Secondly, Proverb has also been critised of trying to be American but also has mad love from the streets. then there is cat like Pro-kid, Zuluboy they are also doing hiphop differently from the cats mention (Zuluboy- zulupoetmc, Pro-kasi slang) they are all getting love from the streets. So is it then safe to close off by quoting Proveb "Confuse on what im saying, not how im saying it".
decent :wink:
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case closed!
i got the whole AG behind me! im a prophet nigga! follow me or perish!
if u dont like me then deal with it! im tired of this back n forth shit! im on the grind tryin to make a name for myself and my whole province! stop hating!
im the greatest thing uv ever known!
i aint sugar coating shit! im the Eastern Cape in one man!
im the realest nigga alive period! if u cant see that then theres somethin wrong wit ya eyes! u seein Optical illusions cos u a Capital O(zero nigga!!!!!!) :D
fall back n witness the future!!!!!
im not perfect........but at least my goal is to get there! all u do is debate shit all day! cmon man! lets get practical! cla** is over!!!!!!!!!
its time to change the game!
ONE!
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case closed!
i got the whole AG behind me!
3 users = "the whole of AG"?...
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yeah maf***er!!!! i been retarded wit the flow!!!!! :D
u cats really got inferiority complexes! this dude was goin on about SA like he knows whats up! droppin his CNN stereotype rhymes! but yall still side wit him cos he IN AMERICA :lol:
yalll aint even mad he dissin SA(africa), yall praise him and diss ya own!
its typical African behaviour! :D
this nigga dion research like a maf***er! im jus spittin from the heart. on the spot! hahahahaha!!!!!! that nigga a google rapper! checkin for facts!!!
f***ing faggot! whatever he said, he can still get it! he can still get smacked when i see him! :D you heard me baserock! u country a** cotton picker! hahahahahahaaha
yeah your so ill its sickening...
ballin outta control bro!
i hope you don't get booted off here, you're in a perfect spot to really put in work for hiphop..
acceptance is key for hiphop survival.
you are probably confused on that. and if you really want a word or two, i'll spare them cause i'll trust you eventually.
now on what you said, my research. you should do the same, cause you let your gaurd down as soon as you put up for a fight. battles are won with tactics, not wild shots hopeing to render your enemy. you got pissed and tried to seek ya African brothers on here to support your posts. it drove you crazy cause they dissagreed with you.
the answer to why they disagree is that i slamed you with creditable sterotypes yes, and my research is great. i love to know my friends and even enimies. and i had enough compa**ion to apoligize after the hurt was done, and keep it realistic with all of yall.
but you sat there and claimed an American trend turning your back from Africa, and as soon as you yapped off this and that, AFRICA turned their backs on you. learn from this, i will always be a message away. so dont be scared bruh.
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yeah maf***er!!!! i been retarded wit the flow!!!!! :D
u cats really got inferiority complexes! this dude was goin on about SA like he knows whats up! droppin his CNN stereotype rhymes! but yall still side wit him cos he IN AMERICA :lol:
yalll aint even mad he dissin SA(africa), yall praise him and diss ya own!
its typical African behaviour! :D
this nigga dion research like a maf***er! im jus spittin from the heart. on the spot! hahahahaha!!!!!! that nigga a google rapper! checkin for facts!!!
f***ing faggot! whatever he said, he can still get it! he can still get smacked when i see him! :D you heard me baserock! u country a** cotton picker! hahahahahahaaha
yeah your so ill its sickening...
ballin outta control bro!
i hope you don't get booted off here, you're in a perfect spot to really put in work for hiphop..
acceptance is key for hiphop survival.
you are probably confused on that. and if you really want a word or two, i'll spare them cause i'll trust you eventually.
now on what you said, my research. you should do the same, cause you let your gaurd down as soon as you put up for a fight. battles are won with tactics, not wild shots hopeing to render your enemy. you got pissed and tried to seek ya African brothers on here to support your posts. it drove you crazy cause they dissagreed with you.
the answer to why they disagree is that i slamed you with creditable sterotypes yes, and my research is great. i love to know my friends and even enimies. and i had enough compa**ion to apoligize after the hurt was done, and keep it realistic with all of yall.
but you sat there and claimed an American trend turning your back from Africa, and as soon as you yapped off this and that, AFRICA turned their backs on you. learn from this, i will always be a message away. so dont be scared bruh.
oh and by the way, in the past 4 years i've spent maybe 7 months spread in between in the US. Currently searving in IRAQ, AN Nasariyah to be exact.
for all you know your blood could be my very own the same. this was a long time ago of corse. but ya feel me
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:D naw dog! i didnt even flinch!
i never lose my cool!
i was jus showin aggression! not anger! 8)
in a battle i play dirty! i dont live by the same code and rules that u do dude! im an outlaw like Pac used to be! these niggas is scared and have inferiority complexes! i aint mad at them. jus dissappointed.
no love lost dog!
put ya thong back on! :lol:
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Hip Hop made in South Africa is Hip Hop made for South African listeners...meaning something they can understand an most significantly relate to....In any case its only a matter of modifiers(sp)
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Hip Hop made in South Africa is Hip Hop made for South African listeners..
I guess you didnt read my post clearly or you jst more confused than i am...
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:D naw dog! i didnt even flinch!
i never lose my cool!
i was jus showin aggression! not anger! 8)
in a battle i play dirty! i dont live by the same code and rules that u do dude! im an outlaw like Pac used to be! these niggas is scared and have inferiority complexes! i aint mad at them. jus dissappointed.
no love lost dog!
put ya thong back on! :lol:
showing aggression maybe, anger ya know you did.
in battle you play dirty. speakin of codes! you can't even define that. i would love to see you try. you sought out support like i said cause i played you like a buster.
here we go again, Outlaw you say. 2Pac is dead because of the system. The local authorities faciltated his death in Las Vegas man. they didn't chase the gunman, they chased Suge Knight who was driving to the hospital to get Pac medical aid. You really don't even know the truth.
and you would follow this lie?
thats why you won't be the one to help South Africa rise!
I told you, you're not the one hommie.
unlesssssssssss... you re-evaluate yourself. you are from Africa.
so many mutha fuc**s don't care about you, your family, the un-balanced civil rights and so on. you should rep what you really see & feel.
cause me & none of my hommies, or anyone for the matter would want to hear to you right now.
and you can get another wise idea and want to put me on blast again, callin me names n shit. thats fine.
i'm not going anywhere.
now thats real love
men tend to hate & kill, faster than they can love and live.
ya know~
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nigga PLEa**SEEEEEE!!!!!
hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!
n i thoguht AG cats in SA were on sum bullshit!
u the ultimate bullshitter!
u really dont know me homes! so stop tryin to analyse me! :D
if u di know me, ud know I AINT GOT NO FRIENDS so i never run for backup! especially if that backup is PUSSY a** CATS on AG!
so cut the bullshit! if im not the one, then best believe ima take him down and claim whats rightfully mine!
ps. SA has already risen man! i dont need to help it rise! get ya research right! WE A FORCE TO BE reCKONED with bitch!
u say
men tend to hate & kill, faster than they can love and live.
i say - best believe i got that thang! :wink:
im cool wit it bein that way!
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case closed!
i m a prophet nigga! follow me or perish!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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ps. SA has already risen man! i dont need to help it rise! get ya research right! WE A FORCE TO BE reCKONED with bitch!
What exactly do you mean here clone man? Market share-wise? Sales-wise?..Authenticity-wise?
This thread is & always has been about the authenticity. Stop trying to cloud the issue.
I will never be able to take a rapper seriously who copies someone else's culture.
...real is repping who you are and where you're from.
What I hate is the distorted (and sadly prevalent) logic in South Africa that the closer to American Hip Hop you sound, the more 'real' you are. It's crazy because the exact opposite is actually true.
If you went to a model C school and you rap about things from your own experience - that is real. If you're from the rural areas, and you rep that - that is real. If you're kasi and you rep that - you're real. One is not more 'real' than the other. One is not more 'black' or more 'African' than the other.
For me, this issue is about mimicry as opposed to a**imilation. Culture and language and inexorably intertwined. There are a lot of Jamaicans in London - their slang has mixed in with everyday London slang which is what you hear on Grime or UK Hip Hop. Jamaican culture has been fully a**imilated into british culture.
a**imilation is a very different process to mimicry. We don't have a large community of Americans living amongst us in South Africa, sharing and influencing our culture. We just see them on tv, and hear them through their music. This is not enough to be part of their culture and fully understand it - when I play (fake American) SA Hip Hop to American friends they literally find it funny to hear their slang used slightly incorrectly - one of the dangers of copying from a distance.
Unlike a**imilation where one culture is taken in, and fully understood by the other, we just see from afar. We miss out on the ever-developing nuances of language, the daily use of the slang and the cultural references.
As I have said before, the UK went through the same process - the nearer you could sound to American Hip Hop, the more authentic you were. Luckily this all changed - UK rappers started repping the UK,,, and suddenly the industry grew ma**ively.
The same thing will happen here. When the people find rappers who they see themselves in, these rap mimics will become a thing of the past.
Maybe people missed this post^^^
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ps. SA has already risen man! i dont need to help it rise! get ya research right! WE A FORCE TO BE reCKONED with bitch!
What exactly do you mean here clone man? Market share-wise? Sales-wise?..Authenticity-wise?
This thread is & always has been about the authenticity. Stop trying to cloud the issue.
I will never be able to take a rapper seriously who copies someone else's culture.
...real is repping who you are and where you're from.
What I hate is the distorted (and sadly prevalent) logic in South Africa that the closer to American Hip Hop you sound, the more 'real' you are. It's crazy because the exact opposite is actually true.
If you went to a model C school and you rap about things from your own experience - that is real. If you're from the rural areas, and you rep that - that is real. If you're kasi and you rep that - you're real. One is not more 'real' than the other. One is not more 'black' or more 'African' than the other.
For me, this issue is about mimicry as opposed to a**imilation. Culture and language and inexorably intertwined. There are a lot of Jamaicans in London - their slang has mixed in with everyday London slang which is what you hear on Grime or UK Hip Hop. Jamaican culture has been fully a**imilated into british culture.
a**imilation is a very different process to mimicry. We don't have a large community of Americans living amongst us in South Africa, sharing and influencing our culture. We just see them on tv, and hear them through their music. This is not enough to be part of their culture and fully understand it - when I play (fake American) SA Hip Hop to American friends they literally find it funny to hear their slang used slightly incorrectly - one of the dangers of copying from a distance.
Unlike a**imilation where one culture is taken in, and fully understood by the other, we just see from afar. We miss out on the ever-developing nuances of language, the daily use of the slang and the cultural references.
As I have said before, the UK went through the same process - the nearer you could sound to American Hip Hop, the more authentic you were. Luckily this all changed - UK rappers started repping the UK,,, and suddenly the industry grew ma**ively.
The same thing will happen here. When the people find rappers who they see themselves in, these rap mimics will become a thing of the past.
Maybe people missed this post^^^
your damn right Dplanet, the tip of the iceburg isn't enough to make it work anymore. i like what you wrote just above.
now just a thought:
imagine if shitte or sunni muslims in the middle east suddenly felt like expressing their everyday problems or good fortunes through hiphop. but really representing themselves. telling the truth is powerful. i know i would buy a 12 track album explaining why a shitte is so quick to hate a sunnie, or vica versa. maybe their definition of living a righteous life. i think that would be something. but people would be like what the hell are these fools rapping for????? i say they desearve that chance if they ever decide to take it.
being an artist, you have to take responsibilty for what you create. Cash have you ever looked at it this way? there are billions of people all over the earth man. and your nation represents a small percent of the earths population. if you are conducting your life based on what another percentage of the world does actually go through. you fail yourself, family, friends, & the fans.
i garuntee if you applied you mind to producing truth through your music, the reality will stick in the mind of someone from newyork much longer than things they've already known.
time and sequences of major events are responsible for why culture exists. CASH name one major event that caused the birth of HIPHOP culture.
Hint:
"Cash, if you would just be yourself and pour out ya truth, that is the answer ."
HIPHOP in particular belongs in Africa!
I feel that AFRICA is responsible for HIPHOP.
ANY African (hiphop) artist to be exact, owes the rest of the world.
"your ancestors are responsible for its birth"
"so now you're responsible to take it to a higher plateu"
all of yall need realize that everybodys waiting for this. especially me.
that other percent of the world outside of the continent of Africa would probably start including yalls trend. i garuntee it. but that takes time and a series of events to make happen.
Cash would you die making a postive contrbution for this culture? thats how big the responsibilty is, and if your in it for the cash and trendy lifestyle that the western culture sells, then do us Yankee's a favor, don't import your projects to the US. those lies are already there.
yup~
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Interesting to get an American viewpoint on this...
Skeptical tht we may be preaching to the choir on this one..
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nice speech :lol:
watch me! :idea:
i got bigger ideas to expand on! so while u ponderin bout lil shit im makin new concepts come to life!
ten yrs from now therell be another vexer,tate and baserock! preachin my gospel to the new kid on the block!!!!!! n he'll be the ultimate winner cos he challenged the norm and started a new way! im jus followin the cycle.....like i been sayin niggas! IM NEO in this BITCH! the PRESENT and the FUTURE!!!!!
its called revolution!
holler back! its that crack!!!!!.........bitch :lol:
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ten yrs from now therell be another vexer,tate and baserock! preachin my gospel to the new kid on the block!!!!!! n he'll be the ultimate winner cos he challenged the norm and started a new way! im jus followin the cycle.....like i been sayin niggas! IM NEO in this BITCH! the PRESENT and the FUTURE!!!!!
How have you challenged the norm? Isn't the norm that US Pop culture imitation is most people's first foray into hip hop?..
There have been thousands of you American culture wannabe clones imitating perpatrating to be the second coming to SA hip hop & guess what, NO ONE remembers them!
You are just the latest incarnation. You too will be forgotten.
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ten yrs from now therell be another vexer,tate and baserock! preachin my gospel to the new kid on the block!!!!!! n he'll be the ultimate winner cos he challenged the norm and started a new way! im jus followin the cycle.....like i been sayin niggas! IM NEO in this BITCH! the PRESENT and the FUTURE!!!!!
How have you challenged the norm? Isn't the norm that US Pop culture imitation is most people's first foray into hip hop?..
There have been thousands of you American culture wannabe clones imitating perpatrating to be the second coming to SA hip hop & guess what, NO ONE remembers them!
You are just the latest incarnation. You too will be forgotten.
Tate,
I say we are all here on AG for a reason. wether its to talk ma**ive trash, true livin, or whatever the hell its all for a reason ya know. HIPHOP no doubt, and you as a modertor have to be proactive. Moderation: you faciliTATE this movement.
although i disagree often with Cash, i will always remember this dude.
you always remember those who present a challange.
one at a time, these things will progress man.
i was thinking about some stuff yesterday. whoever tries to bring up something positive (which desearvs praise) also attracts (negetivity & jeleousy). there are lots of people out there! when 1 tries to do good, there are some who don't want to see it suceed.
to make a push towards this common goal we share its really important to set examples, through perseverance & self-control.
even confidence that this is the best for everybody. also trust is important.
trust in your friends, and trust that your enimies will do all in their power to stay your enemy.
Cash unfortunately doesn't represnt these things right now. He's an individual, just like the other 10 thousand. who say I'm neo, i am the rebellious one, who can change this game.
lying to yourself, then to others creates 10 more people just like you. to claim your existance as a figure of revision or lead off man to a movement means you'll have to prove genuine actions. being true, and never comprimising even if it kills.
another thing thats been bothering me is
(american entertainment industries "hiphop" is forcefed to other cultures)
and saying that, i've never seen a single "hiphop" album from SA on the racks back home. not even a major tour full of artists have been seen.
So Cash, all that game you talk, would you take it on tour? would you face large crowds that you mimic? and most importantly, would you be confident in yourself, sure of your craft. (HELL NO!) i'll speak on your behalf for now. but when you're ready to get it poppin for real. i'll speak to the right cats back home ya dig.
thats all i got for now.
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you'll have to prove genuine actions. being true, and never comprimising even if it kills.
Thanx. I think if Cash understood these words he wouldn't be as quick to let off as he is.
Cash whether u like it or not u still have to prove urself. At the moment u don't have anything substantial.
U have self-belief which is good, but don't turn that into more than what it actually is.
Please I ask u to pay attention to what Baserock just said b4 u claim to be on Pac's level coz Pac lived up to his words u still have to live up to yours.
That's what being a man is all about.Actions not just words.
In Hip-Hop terms : "Show and prove".
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thanks fellas, glad to know i got coaches in my corner!!!!!!
dont worry! ima prove myself over n over again!
its what i do!!!!!
like baserock said, we all here for a reason!
IM HERE...............IM HERE!!!!!!!!!
THE WAIT IS OVER!
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IM WITH YOU FRENCH TOASTER- niggaz act like they gon be in one place foe ever, repping their hoods like they own the streets , saying good english speakers are snobz -yet HOW IGNORANT CAN WE GET
we need to make hiphop UNIVERSAL and not separate heads, while rap one country when u got ur whole life to rep to the world!!1 :wink:
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Both what Dplanet n Tek have said is true. Yes hip hop is bout self expression but lets face it, cash, unless you're American you fail to express your true self but rather what you've seen in the media. To be a true expressionist you have to portray experiences unique to your surroundings!
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u definitely havent listened to my music!
im all about my surroundings! where i grew up and where im at now!
90% of my content is about the Eastern Cape! u jus stuck in the PERCEPTION that others try to pull over your head about me! LOL!
shits real funny man!
im so relevant to you its crazy.....so i can still relate to what ur sayin! iaint even takin nothin ANYBODY says NEGATIVELY!
im focussed! im learning and understanding my target market more everyday! its amazing!
theres a couple of things tho that i wana CHANGE about the MENTALITY of the typical head suchas yourself, but my main focus is the average hustler who relates to the CRACK on the spot! yall cats'll catch up later!
im good!
READ the HYPE mag!
how did i not portray my true essence in those ryhmes! there was nothin American about it! THATS MY REALITY! in SA! AS A RAPPER/PRODUCER/HUSTLER on the streets puttin in work!!!!!!
ps.the media aint all bad LOL!
jus cos im different to the average cat dont mean i dont relate to the average cat! IM THAT OF GREATNESS!!!!!!!
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Cash, mfethu u need to slow down and open your ears and not your mouth, u claiming to be repping the Eastern Cape and in your music you talk about fresh news kicks, your icy wrists, ballin...flossin and all of that, SO TELL me now, does a guy in village in Qumbu understand the meaning of ballin or flossin? They walk around in broken shoes,,,they dont have anything to attract 'swarms of chicks'. Their families live on government grants, they dont have running water or electricity, they walk 5-10 km to get to school, girls are dying of HIV/Aids.....some get pregnant just to get the child grant (R180). Do they even know what crack is? SO U SPEAKING PAST THEM COZ U BANGING ON ABOUT SHIT THAT IS NOT RELEVANT TO THEM.
Please dont argue
1. That u insipire them
2. your rags to .... :roll: story
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your rags to .... :roll: story
:lol: :lol:
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Isn't the Eastern Cape the poorest province in SA?
Also where all the top politicians are from.
Some of the most beautiful picturesque landscape.
Site of some of the historical battles with the settlers.
A predominantely Xhosa population many of whom still practice initiation rituals...
I LOVE the Eastern Cape!
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Isn't the Eastern Cape the poorest province in SA?
Yeah, that is where " the kid with the icy wrists" is from LOL
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hi everyone!
not to be an a**hole or anything (after all, this is my first post!) but wow! in all my years on god's green earth i have never witnessed such blatant and committed dick riding! ha ha!
i came to this thread looking for laughs because of the corny title (obvious), and i must say, i got more than my fair share! (you goddamn right i fell off that chair!)
cash, how does your anatomy allow so many cats to swing on your nutsac? (no zachie achmat)
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not to be an a**hole or anything
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Tornado, you devil! getting at a cat with subtext! :D
somthing you said though.
Cash, mfethu u need to slow down and open your ears and not your mouth, u claiming to be repping the Eastern Cape and in your music you talk about fresh news kicks, your icy wrists, ballin...flossin and all of that, SO TELL me now, does a guy in village in Qumbu understand the meaning of ballin or flossin? They walk around in broken shoes,,,they dont have anything to attract 'swarms of chicks'. Their families live on government grants, they dont have running water or electricity, they walk 5-10 km to get to school, girls are dying of HIV/Aids.....some get pregnant just to get the child grant (R180). Do they even know what crack is? SO U SPEAKING PAST THEM COZ U BANGING ON ABOUT SHIT THAT IS NOT RELEVANT TO THEM.
Please dont argue
1. That u insipire them
2. your rags to .... :roll: story
is this what the ec is entirely comprised of? i highly doubt it. i happen to be BAW-LIN my a** off down there! er. would the people you're talking about even bother to cop a cat's shit (for the amount of a grant) if he started rattling off shit he doesn't know/care about (i.e. their situation)? would they rise up? do they like rap, even? do heads on the net even really care about these people? are heads on the net members of the working cla**, trying to rise up through conservative censorship cause they don't like what another man enjoys doing? are these heads safeguarding the purity of hip hop? do they think hip hop will somehow become a socio-politco-economic movement? are we waiting for rappers to lead us into an even newer south africa? will they remodel democracy and introduce a new syllabus to dumbshit government schools? do the above characteristics (see Tornado) describe the situation of all south africans or just the majority? does the majority listen to rap? do we care? do they care? does anyone care? will a lot of hip hop records sold (with artists saying 'relevant' shit) bring peace on earth? a gold star for from the states? does god exist? why is this so long? will anyone answer? will they do it soon? will i stop? yes!
on the real though, you cats are acting like old afrikaner tannies. this shit is art at the end of the day and its subjective. people can do whatever the f*** they want and somebody will like it. why do you want to confine it? why do you want to own it? why do you want it to be only what you think it should be?
it's enough to make a cat think that you have few (to none) friends and started talking to girls only late last year!
stop it! :D
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South African Hip Hop is Hip Hop that you can tell is from South Africa, either through the cultural references in the lyrics, the language, the slang, the accent, or a musical style.
I agree with D.Its all about the frame of reference.
As far as what Cash says I disagree bcoz all those things he's talking about as repping Hip-Hop evolved out of an American context and they portray an American frame of reference.
The question is what is our frame of reference and how do we portray that to everyone else?
My view is that our frame of reference can be found in the everyday experiences we have from our own language, slang, accents, dress sense and musical composition style.
Hip-Hop is just music and what's the point of doing music when ur own people can't relate.
In the States their own people relate to what's being put out but why not here?
The reason I think is bcoz artists here adopt a frame of reference that the people can't relate to.
This debate is a very relevant debate bcoz it goes to the issue of the perspective adopted by SA and African Hip-Hop in general and how relevant and effective that perspective is at reaching the African people.
my reality right now is - pourin vodka and hennessey, ballin outrageous, rockin hiphop, spittin that FIRE, hollerin at foreign hoes,poppin tags, f*** cris, we was sippin on moet shootin videos in Cape Town. all my niggas is ballin!
when we was broke we wasnt doin all this! but im sayin! its everybody's dream to live the good life!!!! its not jus for Americans! like what?are we not supposed to live good? are we supposed to rather focus on kasi life and poverty!? i got outta that! now im livin how i wana live! rockin what i wana rock! sayin what ever the f*** i wana say! speakin how i wana speak! real talk! when SONY approached us they wanted us to be more "south african", i hollered at my moms(the definition of an african woman!) and she said NAW MAN! DO YOU! DONT DO THAT SOUTH AFRICAN THING!!! MUSIC IS GLOBAL!!!! WHAT U DOIN IS DIFFERENT! THATS WHY WE LOVE IT!( 99,9% the people of UMTATA!!!) WE WANA SEE AFRICA PROGRESS INTO THE FUTURE! WE TIRED OF ALL THESE KWAITO PEOPLE WHO ALL SOUND THE SAME AND HAVE NOTHING RELEVANT TO SAY!!!DO SOMETHIN THAT THE GROWN UPS CAN RESPECT! in a nutshell,she made my hustle official! she gave it merit and said run with it!!!!
thats wisdom right there! yall jus talkin bout how its supposed to be! im tellin u how it is!!!!!!!!
this is bigger than SA!!!!! its global!!! we gotta hav fans in new york to japan!!! the SA market will support u more if u go global!!!!! im more of a universal mc than an SA mc!!!! im proudly SA but see further than these borders! now u gon knock me cos im thinkin out your usual BOX!!! damn!!!
thats life!!!!!
just one question. how do you build these fans man?
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man i gots to be the king dingaling up in here! LOL
the big cahoona!!!!
these niggas been hangin on my dick for a minute now!
real talk tho! these dudes talk about the EC,the same way cats from the US talk about Africa! ignorant maf***ers!
yeah EC stands for Economic Crisis!
but we ballin too god dammit! :lol:
theres two sides to every story!
and all them cats i say i inspire. i know i do cos when i go to umtata, everybody on every block in every hood stands the f*** up and pushed me on!
theres MAD problems in the EC, n im probably the only f***in young dude/rapper giving back! Go to the Eluxolweni childrens Home! see the difference I AM MAKING!
go to UCR -FM Community Radio, ask what ive done for the station!
in Umtata!
ask about the Spread the Love,Erase the Pain campaign i started in 2001!
yall niggas is ignorant! yeah im BALLIN! but im ballin with a cause!
ps. i was in Qumbu a few weeks ago, niggas was rockin no shoes but guess what? they was bumpin that crack,50 cent and Jay-z and Pac all day! u implyin that cos they poor they dont know what HIPHOP is! thats f***ing ignorant and borderline racist u dumb f***! u shud be ashamed of urself! go play in traffic!!!!!!!
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now go to the EC stand up thread and witness the greatest Ec collabo in the history of HIPHOP! PERIOD!!!!!!!!
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Cash, mfethu u need to slow down and open your ears and not your mouth, u claiming to be repping the Eastern Cape and in your music you talk about fresh news kicks, your icy wrists, ballin...flossin and all of that, SO TELL me now, does a guy in village in Qumbu understand the meaning of ballin or flossin? They walk around in broken shoes,,,they dont have anything to attract 'swarms of chicks'. Their families live on government grants, they dont have running water or electricity, they walk 5-10 km to get to school, girls are dying of HIV/Aids.....some get pregnant just to get the child grant (R180). Do they even know what crack is? SO U SPEAKING PAST THEM COZ U BANGING ON ABOUT SHIT THAT IS NOT RELEVANT TO THEM.
Please dont argue
1. That u insipire them
2. your rags to .... :roll: story
so ur sayin that them chicks who get pregnant for a grant dont listen to hiphop? they probably listen to KWAITO then? is that more relevant to them? or House? MAf***ERS AINT GOT NO HOUSES? i guess they listen to HUT MUSIC! :wink: or maybe they jus beat on drums all day?
cmon man! ur disgusting! u make me sick!
that SAME chick be dreamin bout goin to jozi,bein rich,ballin n all that! she definitely relates cos its somethin she can aspire to!
and listen man! i aint no rags to riches story!
im a beef in the EC(herding cattle) to beef in the streets(smackin niggas) story!!!!! holler at ya f***ing boy! :lol:
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man i gots to be the king dingaling up in here! LOL
the big cahoona!!!!
these niggas been hangin on my dick for a minute now!
real talk tho! these dudes talk about the EC,the same way cats from the US talk about Africa! ignorant maf***ers!
yeah EC stands for Economic Crisis!
but we ballin too god dammit! :lol:
theres two sides to every story!
and all them cats i say i inspire. i know i do cos when i go to umtata, everybody on every block in every hood stands the f*** up and pushed me on!
theres MAD problems in the EC, n im probably the only f***in young dude/rapper giving back! Go to the Eluxolweni childrens Home! see the difference I AM MAKING!
go to UCR -FM Community Radio, ask what ive done for the station!
in Umtata!
ask about the Spread the Love,Erase the Pain campaign i started in 2001!
yall niggas is ignorant! yeah im BALLIN! but im ballin with a cause!
ps. i was in Qumbu a few weeks ago, niggas was rockin no shoes but guess what? they was bumpin that crack,50 cent and Jay-z and Pac all day! u implyin that cos they poor they dont know what HIPHOP is! thats f***ing ignorant and borderline racist u dumb f***! u shud be ashamed of
urself! go play in traffic!!!!!!!
And those beautiful words were kindly sponcored by REAL TALK entertainment. Wa**up Cash!? too bad i ain't got no sound in my PC. But ima get on the streets tho (where it belongs) HOLLA BACK!!!
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Isn't the Eastern Cape the poorest province in SA?
Also where all the top politicians are from.
Some of the most beautiful picturesque landscape.
Site of some of the historical battles with the settlers.
A predominantely Xhosa population many of whom still practice initiation rituals...
I LOVE the Eastern Cape!
I GUESS NOTHING HAS CHANGED...f***ERS R STILL THE f***EN SAME...& TATE EC IS NOT POOREST PROVINCE IT WAS....
ANYWAY MOST OF U f***ERS R REALLY DUMB WITH THIS PROUDLY SA HIP HOP.... THE REASON f***ERS DONT SELL IS BECOZ THE THINK LIKE HEADS AND NOT BUSINESS MAN. NO-ONE IS INTERESTED TO THE HIP HOP U f***ERS R DOING.... MOST OF YO'LL R REALLY WACK BUT HAV THE BIGGEST MOUTHS.... A FEW REALLY WILL MAKE IT NAMELY PIONEER UNIT, MONOPOLY, BLACKLEZ, MORALE, THE REST WONT COZ THEY WACK...
ANYWAY IM BACK SO U f***ERS CAN LOG OFF.....
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yo Pages! PM me wit ya digits man! or send me ya digits on 0741CMONEY(266639)
lets hook up n drop a bomb on these f***ers!!!!!
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Damn i hit a nerve there................ i got you muffaca talking about real shit, the shit u should be rappin about :wink: on the real though.......you sayin u doing all these things for your community but guess what ..that is not real empowerment...what u doin is called welfarism...in other words...u giving them the fish instead of teaching them them how to fish. Again your raps are irrelevant to the majority in the EC..... u claiming u to be the new Steve Biko...damn Cash show some respect dawg,,....the bra must be turning in his grave... Steve Biko was representing the poor of the poor ..people who did not have any voice whatsoever...the marginalised, the rural folk and was definately against Apartheid Capitalism...
Tell you what... i am from the EC and i have seen incredible levels of poverty both ezilalini nase kasie... and dont talk about ppl in EC ballin coz they are very few of them............... who said success is measured by material possession? do they want floss.. or do they want a leader that is going to lead them to where they want to go? Are they angry enough to take it to the streets and protest against the government economic policies?if not why?
But i respect ur hustle and i acknowledge that we are in this isht for different reasons.... u wanna be rich whilst i wanna
:idea: :wink:
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I love this f*cking website man.....HOLLA!!!!
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yo cash its your life and your career so do woteva the f*** you want to with it!!!!!!
personally i havent heard your shit and i dnt think i cudnt give a f*** about it.i dont a**ociate wit ur type.coz where i come from id lose my status as a cape coloured male if i did!!!!!
swagger?define that plz.coz everybody got swagger imo even if they dont knw wot swagger is.swagger is an approach to life and also how u carry and present yourself.......and you are a swaggerjacker.but like i said its woteva
i c u stick to ur guns and thats good
my query is ballin.....your jewels real?where u shop for clothes "and fresh kicks"?r u poppin real moe and hennesy?coz alchol and clothes is the most bootlegged shit in SA
u seem the type that buys bathing ape,rocawear,lrg at south african "hiphop shops"(im not gona name drop)...coz alll them shops sell fake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:
oh and fubu is soooooooo 2001 and y wud u wana rock g-unit when u aint part of g-unit?
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yo cash its your life and your career so do woteva the f*** you want to with it!!!!!!
personally i havent heard your shit and i dnt think i cudnt give a f*** about it.i dont a**ociate wit ur type.coz where i come from id lose my status as a cape coloured male if i did!!!!!
swagger?define that plz.coz everybody got swagger imo even if they dont knw wot swagger is.swagger is an approach to life and also how u carry and present yourself.......and you are a swaggerjacker.but like i said its woteva
i c u stick to ur guns and thats good
my query is ballin.....your jewels real?where u shop for clothes "and fresh kicks"?r u poppin real moe and hennesy?coz alchol and clothes is the most bootlegged shit in SA
u seem the type that buys bathing ape,rocawear,lrg at south african "hiphop shops"(im not gona name drop)...coz alll them shops sell fake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:
oh and fubu is soooooooo 2001 and y wud u wana rock g-unit when u aint part of g-unit?
sup yall i'm back!
i know few missed me// and most dissed me//
i'm still a bit tipsy//off the coke n henny//
but really dont have the 2 with me//
im in a dusty landscape with a fifty//
calibur gun
killin brothas under the sun//
but check im here today to feel ya//
ha, boredom! the crazyest thing can happen from that feeling called boredom. i sat in my sweatbox that is supposed to be called a room, in
An Nasariayah Iraq, thinking about this topic. thinking about Cash , Tate & the rest of yall cats who been on here sharing eachothers knowledge and whatnot. i realized its a good thing. real good for some, maybe not to good to others.
the post above is from hakesy. directed to cash like usual man. maybe folks are jeleous. maybe cash is really knocking on the window of oppertunity. who could really know? nobody really cares about that though if you ask me.
i always dream of seeing a strong movement of some sort. i dont agree with cash on a lot of things. but the most important thing that we do both stand on the same level is that we accept hiphop as the frontrunner that which directs our lifes path.
consider this always though! that track you flexed out to the rest of the world to listen, critque and so on. is it worthy to be used again, will someone recycle your craft.
recycling something thats already been, thats crazy. outta this question. no go. wack, unreal or just impossible to feel hommie.
so Cash i say this. make your life, your rules and your whatever else that is defined through hiphop worthy. so the next man will look up to what you began.
you represent that next man behind so many who paved some sorta direction. but they are already at their destination so odds are you won't belong right there. as well as anyone.
nuff said from the clean head.
chee-up!
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u claiming u to be a new Steve Biko...damn Cash show some respect dawg,,....the bra must be turning in his grave... Steve Biko was representing the poor of the poor ..people who did not have any voice whatsoever...the marginalised, the rural folk and was definately against Apartheid Capitalism
When I read this in HYPE I was also 8O 8O 8O 8O
Cash u've got a tendency to compare urself with great men who've lived and died for their beliefs yet u still haven't even begun to firmly a**et ur position in life.
All I can say is only time will tell whether shit will pop off the way u think it will but until then don't put urself in a league where u don't belong.
Actions speak louder than words.