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Other => Politics => Topic started by: The Mighty Loks on April 18, 2008, 02:23:54 PM
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http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2306748,00.html
http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__national/&articleid=337133&referrer=RSS
Oh my God I don't know what to say...
Those Chinese " I don't spik de Engrish" mother f***ers have lost their minds."
Someone please kill Mugabe....Please before those ching chong bitches actually kill people oh my goodness....
Excuse my French but I am so pissed right now.
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The South African Police Service's explosives unit confirmed on Wednesday that an uncleared Chinese vessel docked at the outer anchorage of Durban harbour was carrying arms.
Customs revealed that the shipment was destined for Zimbabwe.
Inspector Nicholas Gunther, of the explosives unit in Durban, said the An Yue Jiang was carrying a shipment of arms. "We went there just now and they are not being allowed in," he said.
He added: "There was a problem with the documents they submitted and we have directed the matter to the chief inspector of explosives in Pretoria ... and it may take days for them to get clearance."
If the vessel does not get clearance, it will have to leave. However, if, for example, the ship was carrying 500 containers and only one container had not been cleared, the vessel would still be allowed to enter the port.
"They would be allowed to enter, offload those containers that have been cleared by the South African government and leave with those that had not been cleared," said Gunther.
Leonard Hadebe, head of Durban customs, said: "We have confirmed that the shipment was headed for Zimbabwe. It arrived at the Durban harbour on April 14. Right now the ship is awaiting clearance. If they are carrying any prohibited or illegal goods, they will be detained by customs."
Gunther, though, said that much of the cargo on board was destined for companies in South Africa. Asked if he knew whether any was destined for Zimbabwe, he said he was not sure.
"But if it was trans-shipment then it gets imported here and is sent by road or rail to neighbouring countries. We are not sure if that's what they are doing," he said.
National Ports Authority spokesperson Ricky Bhikraj confirmed that the An Yue Jiang had entered the port. "We can confirm that there is an uncleared vessel [not cleared to enter port] by that name currently at the outer anchorage. The allegations are being handled by the various national security authorities," he said.
Bhikraj, meanwhile, said the vessel had to follow procedures. "There is a normal process for all ISPS [international ship and ports security] vessels to be cleared to enter the port."
The An Yue Jiang will now have to go through that process and that it could take quite some time before it is cleared.
Asked whether there were arms on the ship, Bhikraj said: "We can't comment on whether or not there were arms on the vessel."
KwaZulu-Natal police spokesperson Superintendent Vincent Mdunge also said he could not comment on the matter. -- Sapa
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Durban - An uncleared vessel - suspected of carrying arms - docked at the Durban harbour, the National Ports authority said on Wednesday.
Spokesperson Ricky Bhikraj said the Chinese vessel had entered the port without clearance and had currently docked at the outer anchorage.
The ship - called 'An Yue Jiang' - is suspected of carrying a consignment of arms allegedly headed for Zimbabwe.
A Port side police source told Sapa the ship was carrying arms and had docked at the harbour on April 14.
He said there were rumours that it was to deliver arms to Zimbabwe.
Bhikraj confirmed that a vessel by that name had entered the Port of Durban.
"We can confirm that there is an uncleared vessel (not cleared to enter port) by that name currently at the outer anchorage. The allegations are being handled by the various national security authorities," he said.
Noseweek editor Martin Welz earlier told Sapa: "The cargo ship was openly delivering a containment of arms for Zimbabwe."
Asked where he had obtained the information from, Welz said it was his own business.
Bhikraj, meanwhile, said the vessel had to follow procedures.
"There is a normal process for all ISPS (International Ship and Ports Security) vessels to be cleared to enter the port. He said this vessel would now have to go through that process and that it could take quite some time before it is cleared.
He said if the vessel was not cleared, it would not be allowed to enter a South African port.
Asked whether there had been arms on the ship, Bhikraj said: "We can't comment on the whether arms were or were not on the vessel"
Dennis Abrio of the national branch of the South African Police Service said they would comment on the matter once they had details.
KwaZulu-Natal police spokesperson Superintendent Vincent Mdunge said he could not comment on the matter.
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http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2306748,00.html
http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__national/&articleid=337133&referrer=RSS
Oh my God I don't know what to say...
Those Chinese " I don't spik de Engrish" mother f***ers have lost their minds."
Someone please kill Mugabe....Please before those ching chong bitches actually kill people oh my goodness....
Excuse my French but I am so pissed right now.
The Zim army is going for state control. Just my suspisions. Those guys don't like Tsangarayi to head alone. They want Simba to help him. Seems like Mugabe has no say now. Seems like they've just shut his mouth.
I'm just praying for the people who are going to be affected by this.
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http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2306748,00.html
http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__national/&articleid=337133&referrer=RSS
Oh my God I don't know what to say...
Those Chinese " I don't spik de Engrish" mother f***ers have lost their minds."
Someone please kill Mugabe....Please before those ching chong bitches actually kill people oh my goodness....
Excuse my French but I am so pissed right now.
The Zim army is going for state control. Just my suspisions. Those guys don't like Tsangarayi to head alone. They want Simba to help him. Seems like Mugabe has no say now. Seems like they've just shut his mouth.
I'm just praying for the people who are going to be affected by this.
No pa there is Chinese military in some parts of Zim and they are hara**ing MDC supporters.
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http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2306748,00.html
http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__national/&articleid=337133&referrer=RSS
Oh my God I don't know what to say...
Those Chinese " I don't spik de Engrish" mother f***ers have lost their minds."
Someone please kill Mugabe....Please before those ching chong bitches actually kill people oh my goodness....
Excuse my French but I am so pissed right now.
The Zim army is going for state control. Just my suspisions. Those guys don't like Tsangarayi to head alone. They want Simba to help him. Seems like Mugabe has no say now. Seems like they've just shut his mouth.
I'm just praying for the people who are going to be affected by this.
No pa there is Chinese military in some parts of Zim and they are hara**ing MDC supporters.
WHAT??? its aganist the law...whats your source for this information
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^^^ Since when has that stopped anyone but here you go.
http://www.zimbabwetoday.co.uk/2008/04/are-chinese-tro.html
What are Chinese troops doing on Zimbabwe's streets?
Armed and uniformed Chinese force reported to be on patrol
Mystery surrounds alleged sightings of a troop of 20 armed Chinese soldiers, said to be patrolling the streets of Mutare, the eastern border town, shoulder-to-shoulder with Zimbabwean security forces this week.
The Chinese, witnesses say, patrol in full uniform, and carry pistols, and their sudden appearance has terrified some local residents. The unit formed part of a heavy security deployment in the city centre, used to crush the MDC's nationwide strike designed to force the release of the election results.
The Chinese Emba**y in Harare has denied any knowledge of Chinese troops in the area, and has suggested that they might be a privately-hired force, there to protect the interests of local Chinese-owned companies.
The Chinese unit is believed to be accommodated in the Holiday Inn in the centre of Mutare. Their behaviour in the hotel has caused comment amongst the hotel employees.
One told me: "It was a great shock when they checked in, wearing full military regalia and carrying pistols openly. They don't allow us access to their rooms for cleaning purposes, and they do not eat here, although they have paid for full accommodation including meals."
The unit is said to move out on patrol, then return to the hotel every two hours. They are booked in at the hotel for one week, ending this weekend.
Further evidence of Chinese involvement in Zimbabwe came with the confirmation that a Chinese freighter loaded with arms destined for Harare has been cleared to dock in Durban, South Africa.
The ship is the An Yue Jiang, and South African police are said to have confirmed that the cargo is armaments and weapons. It is thought that the Zimbabwe government ordered the consignment to bolster its depleted arsenal, amid fears of anti-government riots in the aftermath of the elections.
Meanwhile the leader of the MDC, Morgan Tsvangirai, who is said to have survived two recent attempts on his life, has taken steps to secure the safety of his family, his staff and himself by moving to a new base in neighbouring Botswana. He met the new president of Botswana, Ian Khama, last week.
Today he was expected to fly in to Harare, by private jet, for a press conference. He has been meeting with other heads of state this week, and also with the leader of the minority MDC faction, Arthur Mutambara. The two met in Johannesburg to discuss ways of working together in a new parliament.
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I just found this on the SAPA newswire. It seems the old motherf***er is still in charge and he has definitely lost his mind completely.
In his first major address since last month's disputed elections
Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe vowed Friday that former colonial
power Britain and the opposition Movement for Democratic Change (MDC)
would never "steal" his country.
Mugabe was addressing thousands of people attending a rally in a
Harare stadium on the 28th anniversary of Zimbabwe's independence from
Britain. Three weeks ago Zimbabweans voted on whether he should remain
president but the state-controlled Zimbabwe Electoral Commission is
refusing to release the results.
Speaking for over an hour, mostly off the cuff, the 84-year-old
leader warned: "You want the British to come back again? You saw what
they did when they heard that the MDC was winning.
"The whites in the UK, Australia and South Africa started coming in
and some are still here in the hotels," he said, apparently referring
to white farmers who were evicted from their land by ruling party
members and cronies since 2000.
"That (land being returned to white farmers) will never ever
happen," he vowed. "Down with the British. Down with thieves who want
to steal our country."
Some white farmers, Mugabe alleged, had erected checkpoints on the
land where they used to farm, "provoking" the war veterans (mostly
youth militia too young to have fought in the 1970s liberation war).
Groups of so-called war veterans have chased dozens of white farmers
off their land and beaten up and chased away scores of their black
farmworkers since the elections. In some cases police have ordered the
youths back off the land.
Mugabe's defiant address came a day before ZEC undertakes a partial
recount of the votes cast in the March 29 presidential and
parliamentary elections - even though the presidential results are
still unknown.
MDC leader Morgan Tsvangirai claims he defeated Mugabe squarely.
Mugabe's Zanu-PF party claims neither Tsvangirai nor Mugabe won
outright and that a runoff is required. An independent electoral
observation NGO also predicted neither took more than 50 per cent at
the first round but had Tsvangirai very close.
The MDC opposes both the runoff and recount.
Tsvangirai claimed in a BBC interview Thursday the two parties had
been close to a deal that would have ended Mugabe's autocratic and
economically disastrous rule a few days after the election but that
some "establishment" elements scuppered it.
Earlier Zimbabwean soldiers went house to house in the low-income
Harare suburb of Glenview, beating up men and youths, in what one
witness claimed was revenge for an a**ault on a soldier living in the
area earlier in the week. On the streets the police presence was heavy.
Several newspapers have reported that hardliners in the security
forces opposed Mugabe stepping down and are now effectively running the
country.
A ship carrying arms from China destined for Zimbabwe has been
sitting outside South Africa's Durban harbour for days.
Dock workers have refused to off-load the shipment saying that they
disagree ideologically with a government decision to allow the arms be
transported by road through South Africa to Zimbabwe.
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^^^ Since when has that stopped anyone but here you go.
http://www.zimbabwetoday.co.uk/2008/04/are-chinese-tro.html
What are Chinese troops doing on Zimbabwe's streets?
Armed and uniformed Chinese force reported to be on patrol
Mystery surrounds alleged sightings of a troop of 20 armed Chinese soldiers, said to be patrolling the streets of Mutare, the eastern border town, shoulder-to-shoulder with Zimbabwean security forces this week.
The Chinese, witnesses say, patrol in full uniform, and carry pistols, and their sudden appearance has terrified some local residents. The unit formed part of a heavy security deployment in the city centre, used to crush the MDC's nationwide strike designed to force the release of the election results.
The Chinese Emba**y in Harare has denied any knowledge of Chinese troops in the area, and has suggested that they might be a privately-hired force, there to protect the interests of local Chinese-owned companies.
The Chinese unit is believed to be accommodated in the Holiday Inn in the centre of Mutare. Their behaviour in the hotel has caused comment amongst the hotel employees.
One told me: "It was a great shock when they checked in, wearing full military regalia and carrying pistols openly. They don't allow us access to their rooms for cleaning purposes, and they do not eat here, although they have paid for full accommodation including meals."
The unit is said to move out on patrol, then return to the hotel every two hours. They are booked in at the hotel for one week, ending this weekend.
Further evidence of Chinese involvement in Zimbabwe came with the confirmation that a Chinese freighter loaded with arms destined for Harare has been cleared to dock in Durban, South Africa.
The ship is the An Yue Jiang, and South African police are said to have confirmed that the cargo is armaments and weapons. It is thought that the Zimbabwe government ordered the consignment to bolster its depleted arsenal, amid fears of anti-government riots in the aftermath of the elections.
Meanwhile the leader of the MDC, Morgan Tsvangirai, who is said to have survived two recent attempts on his life, has taken steps to secure the safety of his family, his staff and himself by moving to a new base in neighbouring Botswana. He met the new president of Botswana, Ian Khama, last week.
Today he was expected to fly in to Harare, by private jet, for a press conference. He has been meeting with other heads of state this week, and also with the leader of the minority MDC faction, Arthur Mutambara. The two met in Johannesburg to discuss ways of working together in a new parliament.
Damn, that's bad. Just don't like the .uk source though. Anyway it's the truth. SO what now, another war in Zim? ???
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the reason the source is based in the Uk is because the Zim Weekly has been banned in Zim itself, since only state media is allowed.
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I liked the last part of Mbeki's interview with the SABC on Saturday when he said there's no crisis in Zimbabwe according to Zim law. I laughed my lungs out because I know that the law is an a** in Zim.
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it's wild in Zim, those peeps probably killing dogs for supper ;D ;D anyway ready 4 war!
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Seriously tho,I maybe wrong here but it seems to me that black South Africans define intellectualism as endorsing everything said or done by Europeans. So to be an intellectual you have to endorse everything Europeans say.
How is it that of all hundreds of black journalists in South Africa, none (at least from reading the press there) seem to think Mbeki's approach is right? In any group of normal intelligent people there is a divergence of ideas. Why is it that all South African Black journalist and intellectuals in South Africans just happen to think just like the BBC, Guardian, etc?
Mbeki's policy on Zimbabwe is not horrible at all. The Zimbabwe crises started with the land issue. Mugabe maybe wrong this far, but the British shares a big part of that blame. Have any of those journalists in South Africa considered the implications of SADC dealing with Zimbabwe by critizing Mugabe without saying anything about the British?
Sometimes in international politics long-term security and dignity override short term goals. If a group of terrorists kidnap British nationals today demanding Britain to do something before they release the captives, the British government will not burge an inch even if it will mean death of their nationals. Why? Because when you start negotiating with terrorists you lose. They will exploit you again and again.
It may well be that one of the consequences of apartheid is that black South African have been brainwashed so much that they do not see these things properly. Maybe it is time Africa started looking to Nigeria for that permanent UN Security Council seat. Black South Africa cannot even defend their own president and themselves intellectuals. Does anyone think these people will defend Africa?
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Western media, eish very suspicious, I been Watchin' all the major news Channels, BBC,CNN and Sky News, they ain't allowed in ZIms, but still report on whats going on there. I find this strange, i scheme they are speculating, biased since they are mor on Morgan's side.
They are concerned coz the arms shipment is done by the Chinese, if it were arms bought from the US, we probably wudn't see that vessel in the news....
Plus Mbeki's always right, ever since he said there isn't a crisis in Zims, I been looking at this whole issue from a different angle. He (Mbeki) was the dude who denied his people the Aids treatment medicine back then, only to be discovered later after being labeled a villain that he was right, the medicine was faulty.
Now am asking myself this question, y didn't he raise the issue of the Zim crisis at the UN meeting held last week, if its really true that there's a crisis in Zims?
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Seriously tho,I maybe wrong here but it seems to me that black South Africans define intellectualism as endorsing everything said or done by Europeans. So to be an intellectual you have to endorse everything Europeans say.
How is it that of all hundreds of black journalists in South Africa, none (at least from reading the press there) seem to think Mbeki's approach is right? In any group of normal intelligent people there is a divergence of ideas. Why is it that all South African Black journalist and intellectuals in South Africans just happen to think just like the BBC, Guardian, etc?
Mbeki's policy on Zimbabwe is not horrible at all. The Zimbabwe crises started with the land issue. Mugabe maybe wrong this far, but the British shares a big part of that blame. Have any of those journalists in South Africa considered the implications of SADC dealing with Zimbabwe by critizing Mugabe without saying anything about the British?
Sometimes in international politics long-term security and dignity override short term goals. If a group of terrorists kidnap British nationals today demanding Britain to do something before they release the captives, the British government will not burge an inch even if it will mean death of their nationals. Why? Because when you start negotiating with terrorists you lose. They will exploit you again and again.
It may well be that one of the consequences of apartheid is that black South African have been brainwashed so much that they do not see these things properly. Maybe it is time Africa started looking to Nigeria for that permanent UN Security Council seat. Black South Africa cannot even defend their own president and themselves intellectuals. Does anyone think these people will defend Africa?
Cosign, couldn't have pointed it better
Africa needs to start thinking independently. There's no room for debate, just consensus (western consensus)
AMANDLA AWABUYE, cos surely AKUSIWO AWETHU
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Western media, eish very suspicious, I been Watchin' all the major news Channels, BBC,CNN and Sky News, they ain't allowed in ZIms, but still report on whats going on there. I find this strange, i scheme they are speculating, biased since they are mor on Morgan's side.
They are concerned coz the arms shipment is done by the Chinese, if it were arms bought from the US, we probably wudn't see that vessel in the news....
Plus Mbeki's always right, ever since he said there isn't a crisis in Zims, I been looking at this whole issue from a different angle. He (Mbeki) was the dude who denied his people the Aids treatment medicine back then, only to be discovered later after being labeled a villain that he was right, the medicine was faulty.
Now am asking myself this question, y didn't he raise the issue of the Zim crisis at the UN meeting held last week, if its really true that there's a crisis in Zims?
I think Mbeki understands the crisis in Zim-like every honest African does-(the real issues in Zim- forgert the media). I think he sees that it doesn't help telling the West about what's going on, cos if he agrees that there are issues the West (Bush) will seek intervention. And as we know, Western intervantion means war (see what's up in the Middle East). Or maybe, dude is sick of REPORTING TO THE AFRICAN PARLIAMENT - The WEST, cos most of the time African govts report without any hesitation
My 2nd concern, why is it that whenever an African govt. goes overseas they get questions like: What you doing about poverty/crime and etc, What u doing about Zim. Why not ask about development: how can we take it to the next level, how can we make it work for us.
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I think whatever happens now ZIM is screwed either way. While there might not be a war IN Zim the super powers are definitely engaging in some sort of war FOR Zim.
However you look at it blood will spill. Mugabe is too adamant to let the Europeans take over and the Europeans are not ready have the Chinese take over because then they have the cheap resources.
I'm all for Zim independence but I have a big problem with the way the Asians conduct business. When Zimbabweans were hungry you didn't hear of Chinese militants in Zim giving away food, but the minute they need arms, oh then they can offer some help.
The issue with Zim is that they have resources that the super powers want and need and they're willing to do just about anything for them
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Word is Bond, and you can be guaranteed there will be a spill-over effect to the immediate neigbouring countries namely Zambia, South Africa,Botswana and Mozambique. I hope for the best and that this will be resolved!
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Damn i guess this mean i gota change my profile picture :-*
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Seriously tho,I maybe wrong here but it seems to me that black South Africans define intellectualism as endorsing everything said or done by Europeans. So to be an intellectual you have to endorse everything Europeans say.
How is it that of all hundreds of black journalists in South Africa, none (at least from reading the press there) seem to think Mbeki's approach is right? In any group of normal intelligent people there is a divergence of ideas. Why is it that all South African Black journalist and intellectuals in South Africans just happen to think just like the BBC, Guardian, etc?
After yo 'independence' a highly influencial Fam from the British Isles bought a major stake in SA newspaper & media... hectic
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Word is Bond, and you can be guaranteed there will be a spill-over effect to the immediate neigbouring countries namely Zambia, South Africa,Botswana and Mozambique. I hope for the best and that this will be resolved!
U forgot Namibia thurr dun..
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Mugabe is too adamant to let the Europeans take over and the Europeans are not ready have the Chinese take over because then they have the cheap resources.
The chinese aint getting no resources from Zim....they getting they resources from DRC....Well they obviously getting something out of this...but they aint pillaging.
I'm all for Zim independence but I have a big problem with the way the Asians conduct business. When Zimbabweans were hungry you didn't hear of Chinese militants in Zim giving away food, but the minute they need arms, oh then they can offer some help.
Chinese cats donated mad amounts of farming implements, tractors for example for rural development....just too bad there was no fuel. Plus Zim/China ties go way back to the Chimurenga war where they provided training and arms for ZANLA forces.
I'm just sayin.....
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3 weeks ago i was so expectant, i thought we could really have a NEW ZIMBABWE...
Noe im deflated, truthfully i dont care if Mugabe gets the country but not at the peoples cost. UK has a lot to do with Zim's problems right now but they act righteous like they really do care yet they are tryna play a hand to get white farmers the land back. That is the part i do not agree with. Then to imagine that as much as Bob messed up, they also sabotaged their influence on the economy enough to ensure people got so hungry and tired of the situation that they would definitely vote Mugabe out. It's all a tug of war, Mugabe wants to show everyone that the West are the bad people and the West want to show everyone that Mugabe is the devil.
The hell people in zim don't care much about the politics but they want to live decent lives at least.
Damn
Zim hurts
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2 hours ago
China defends Zimbabwe arms shipment headed for Angola
JOHANNESBURG (AFP) — A Chinese ship loaded with arms intended for Zimbabwe was headed to Angola, the agent handling the ship said on Tuesday, as China defended the shipment against international criticism.
"According to the documentation, the next calling port is Angola. This vessel is causing a lot of attention. The information is very sensitive," said Wang Kun Hui, representative of the Cosren shipping agency in Durban.
Asked where exactly in Angola the ship was headed, Wang replied: "Luanda."
The ship, the An Yue Jiang, was carrying three million rounds of a**ault rifle ammunition, 3,000 mortar rounds and 1,500 rocket-propelled grenades, according to its inventory, published by a South African newspaper.
The ship was forced to abandon plans to offload the arms in the South African port of Durban last week after activists won a court case which prevented it from transporting the load overland to the Zimbabwe border.
There were fears that the arms could be used to crack down on protests following parliamentary and presidential elections in Zimbabwe last month, both of which the opposition Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) says it won.
The shipment was also likely to inflame a debate about China's growing diplomatic and economic role in Africa, which has focussed on the country's links with the Sudanese government, accused of human rights abuses in Darfur.
Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu on Tuesday defended the shipment, saying she hoped there would be no attempt to "politicise" the arms cargo, although she hinted that China may be forced to take it back.
"This is normal trade in military products between the two countries. The relevant contract was signed last year and has nothing to do with the situation in Zimbabwe," she told reporters in Beijing.
"As Zimbabwe could not receive the cargo as scheduled, China Ocean Shipping Corp had to give up the Durban port and is now considering carrying back this cargo," she said, referring to the state-owned COSCO shipping firm.
Zimbabwe's ruling Zimbabwe African National Union - Patriotic Front (ZANU-PF) party, battling to stay in power after last month's disputed elections, has also defended the regime's right to buy weapons from any legal source.
"It's our sovereign right to defend ourselves, it's our sovereign right to buy weapons from any legitimate source worldwide and we don't need clearance from anyone," Justice Minister Patrick Chinamasa said earlier.
Port authorities in Angola, where President Jose Eduardo dos Santos is a long-time ally of Zimbabwe's veteran leader Robert Mugabe, said on Monday they had not yet received any formal request for authorisation to dock the ship.
Were the weapons to be offloaded in Angola, they would then most likely have to be flown into landlocked Zimbabwe as the countries' common neighbour Zambia is strongly opposed to the arms reaching Harare.
Zambian President Levy Mwanawasa, head of the Southern African Development Community (SADC), which is mediating in the political crisis in Zimbabwe, said he was "glad" that South Africa had refused the shipment.
"The Chinese can play a very useful role in Zimbabwe without the use of arms. We don't want to escalate the situation in Zimbabwe more than what it is," Mwanawasa was quoted as saying by state media on Tuesday.
Human rights lawyers in Namibia, which lies between South Africa and Angola and where the ship could be forced to stop for refuelling, said they would prevent any possible unloading of the arms in Namibian ports.
International trade unions have mounted a campaign to stop the ship from unloading its arms cargo and the Southern Africa Litigation Centre said it was tracking the ship through South Africa's territorial waters.
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Uncle bob gots to be the most famous nigga out of Africa today
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Are we really saying that we cant find one Zimbabwean that can tell us the real deal about whats life like in Zim at present. We Africans need to listen to other Africans about whats really happening. Britian fu*#ed Zim up real bad and now wash their damn hands in innocence.
European controlled perspectives is how South Africans go through life. Our news is so spiked with their agenda that its scary how one-sided stories are. Nigerians create their own Nollywood and we have all the resources and cant have more of our own stories on our TV and our own music on our radios. MCs and other artists in South Africa still have kiss a** to get airply in South Africa. In our country they control what we hear. And if you dont think thats affecting our peoples minds, just ask any kid if they know Paris Hilton ... then ask that same kid if they know Steve Biko or Chris Hani ... "It is only a fool that allows his enemy to educate his children" ... We are allowing them to inform us and our youths and then we are shocked when our youths turn on us and support their global agenda.
In their world they can make the next Jesus look like the devil with the control they have over the media. Remember what shit they wrote about Bob marley when he went to perform in Zim for their independence ... they spoke about his hair having so many species of lice and turned people again Rasta ... This is their nature ... Greed will never side with the people, thus people like Biko, Ghandi, Mandela, Jesus, Mohammed, were never promoted popular by their media.
THINK ... Will the devil sing GODs praises ??? Its that same thing with the media the devil owns in South Africa, Zim, CNN, BBC, FOX, CBS, etc ... WE NEED MEDIA BY US FOR US ... THE PEOPLE
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http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/F0D11BE4-715B-4E46-8960-C1C10A1BBE1F.htm (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/F0D11BE4-715B-4E46-8960-C1C10A1BBE1F.htm)
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Oh the aristocracy has got som major cocks up our throats and a**es on this one, we should all stop speculating on this one and just be the Rothschild meat maggots we all are.Moohahahaha! ;D
There is much more at play here than the rights of some lowly blacks who fought for an effervescent independence from their colonial masters or a couple of farms owned by some hodgepodge f***s.
This is about power and artifact.
Morgan Tsvangasuckawesterndick gets more limelight than fiddy right now and Robert MuHitler tiddles and taddles trying to find a way out this western theatrical election bind he's in. All so that one of these f***s get to head us into the next democra...ahem aristocratic decade of mindless debt slavery, f***ing the earth up for a buck and pointless consumerism. YAY!
Yes, democracy for ALL! Where I get say how f***ed up shit is but can't do anything about it. So everyone gather together let's feast in our hypocrisy and feel bad about the people who suffer and then let's turn around and follow the contortions in western and logical thinking, it's all about Mugabe or Tsvangerai or some unspoken African solidarity...I mean I don't live there so ahh....f*** em.
You really think Zimbabwe's exports are soooo important that this f***up of a situation is broadcast into your homes daily on a near 24/7 basis? WORLDWIDE? You really think this election is more important than the 5'000 kids who died from some shit in Darfur or Somalia yesterday, EVERYDAY? :o
You are all Illuminati serfs, living in a global battlefield of proportions that dwarf your stupid aspirations about so-called democracy or a 'free' world. Open your f***ing eyes, turn off the TV and talk to the people and read their written works.
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Well said, except for that bit about the Illuminati. It's the Freemasons. Get it f***ing right. ;D
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Well said, except for that bit about the Illuminati. It's the Freemasons. Get it f***ing right. ;D
Agh, Freemason, Bohemian Grove, Children of Abraham, The Circle of the Enlightened, The Royal Family, The Vatican whatever you want to call them, Illuminati is an umbrella term.
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Wow. I like my conspiracy theories, and I haven't even heard of half of those. :)
I don't know Phil - I'm still not entirely sure what point you're getting across here (and in the Politics thread). Sounds like you've been listening to a little too much Immortal Technique - lotta sweeping revelations and generalisations without too much coherent argument to back it up.
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Wow. I like my conspiracy theories, and I haven't even heard of half of those. :)
I don't know Phil - I'm still not entirely sure what point you're getting across here (and in the Politics thread). Sounds like you've been listening to a little too much Immortal Technique - lotta sweeping revelations and generalisations without too much coherent argument to back it up.
It isn't my job to back them up and I haven't played any Immortal since 2004. I am making sweeping revelations and as asinine as it is, I am making generalizations. I'm just pointing out how f***ed as a society we are and hoping that shit gets the next man asking enough questions that they will DO THE f***ING RESEARCH AND FINDING OUT temselves.
The biggest problem with new revelation is that it has to be crutched by the messenger, well it's 2000 and f***ing eight,we've got google and a shitload of libaries. I'ma tell you thas how it is, if you want to find out then look or ask. I always say that it is quite strange how even if any of the shit is all conspiracy theory and is all hogwash why the almost automatic aggressive denial? I mean its all harmless, right? Are we saying people are too stupid to make up their minds and have to be guided to a descision? Why not leave everything out on the table and let those who want to pick up what they will do exactly that?
Are we going to argue about empirical evidence? I don't want to, it bores me. What does excite me is what our unadultarated thoughts about human developement in the future really means, without the childish technology and contorted rationalism that runs through society today.
As for what it has to do with Zim, c'mon man, name me one soundly coherent explaination of what's going on there? It's a f***ing media circus and a intelectual and journalitic cesspool where all the old ideas of power, race and society churn.
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Are we going to argue about empirical evidence? I don't want to, it bores me.
But empirical evidence is probably the only thing you can trust nowadays.
You're right about Zim though...
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Are we going to argue about empirical evidence? I don't want to, it bores me.
But empirical evidence is probably the only thing you can trust nowadays.
You're right about Zim though...
I disagree somewhat there, empirical evidence is subject to contextual and compartmentalized understanding. It's the age old argument of god isn't there because I can't see him when you break it down into it's most basic premise. Emprirical evidence even when presented in a light of absolute fact does not stand on its own feet but rather by who is presenting it....think 9/11 Commission report, 9/11 itself, Mars-Cydonia, The UFO Disclosure conferences, Official CIA papers on AIDS developement research, Torsion fields, The Federal Reserve, The water weathering of the Sphinx, the Giza world grid, Jesus's birth, Great Zimbabwe, Khemit, Nabta Playa etc...
I'm bored with empirical eveidence because there is literally MOUNTAINSof the shit and in my experience even showing people the works from pebble to rocks to how the whole thing comes together doesn't do shit but make their heads hurt till they want to go drink it away at the local shebeen. And don't even get me started on academics....
'The lie is different at every level'
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thinking about it, uncle Bob is very sufficient, i mean the nigga got Chinese connects and shit! and he's rite here in Zim