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an article taken from Tonight...
Is it me or does the reporter sound like she didnt even wanna do this piece...
So Fresh and so Teen
Apparently, Da Les is the hot one in SA's most popular boy band at the moment, Jozi.
The girls swoon for his cheeky good looks and sense of style. He revels in the bling diamond earrings, the Ama Kip Kip clothing label and the ice cream shoes.
He can also rap and dance like no other crunkster and, on June 12, will release his first solo album, called Fresh to Def.
Without a doubt his first single off the album, Tippy Toes, is going to be the biggest thing among teenagers everywhere.
For older music fans, it is possibly the most irritating and most catchy song since Barbie Girl (I'm a Barbie girl, in a Barbie world). The video is set in a convent and has sexy school girl scenes à la Britney Spears's … Baby One More Time.
Da Les is also hooked up to http://les.ubyou.co.za, where fans can listen to snippets of the album and see outtakes of the video. They also have access to competitions.
Armed with all this information and having had the mispleasure of hanging out with Da Les over the last two years, I meet the over-eager 22-year-old in Melville. The plan is to spend a day with him and see exactly how a potential superstar spends his time.
"I watched the Man U vs Chelsea game last night," he says meekly. "I'm hungover and need lots of water."
His plans make for a long day. Aside from the Tonight interview, SABC1's Selimathunzi has booked an interview with him in the afternoon and then, after 6pm, he is on YFM for two hours. All this and he has a girlfriend, too.
"I love you, promise," he smiles on the phone. "I promise. Promise promise."
Damn, the young can be irritating. I glare at him and he ends the phone call.
"Honestly, you are the scariest journalist ever," he tells me. "But don't worry, when I am famous and E! Entertainment wants to do a True Hollywood Story, I'll tell them to interview you."
Oh yes, the irritation and the confidence of youth …
Selimathunzi calls. They are at the studio, which is in a house in Melville that is rented by Bongani Fa**ie.
Da Les drives a 7 series Beamer, which happens to be his mom's. He plays a songs from his album, a relaxed R'n B-influenced track.
"This be gangsta music," he yells over the volume.
Yeah, right dude, it so makes you want to take out the uzi.
On arrival at the house/studio there is the usual crew of hangers- on, some working on computers, others just hanging out talking about the previous night's soccer.
The Selimathunzi crew are there with the show's presenter, Kaos. Bongani appears and offers everyone pizza . The shoot begins.
Kaos is quick off the mark. "We want you to make a new track!" he tells Bongani and Les. "Hey, we could even do a duku duku mixtape."
Les is in his element: "This is what we do every day. You gotta have a party behind the mic."
Bongani supplies the beat and Les the rhymes. It's as easy as A B C.
Within an hour, that is supplemented by much mirth, a song has taken shape, a song that could even be a hit. Les has a flow not many other rappers have. His confidence and understanding of his craft makes him stand out among his peers. Yes, it is kinda juvenile and squeaky, but it is commercial and it works. Straight outta America!
Later on that day, we go back to Melville's 7th street for a heart-to- heart. He answers my questions with careful honesty.
His father was the first black person to work in IT at IBM in the '70s. His parents then relocated to Washington DC, where Les was born. He grew up in Dallas, Texas, and moved to SA in 1993. He went to private schools and hung out with mostly white kids. He listened to Nirvana, rave music and got into rollerblading and skate boarding. Later he hooked up with Bongani at a skatepark and they soon became inseparable.
"They were always stealing at Brenda's (Fa**ie) place," he recalls.
"That first day, when we gave him a lift home, we arrived at her house and the door was open. We realised the house had been broken into again. Brenda was away and my mom said he must crash at our place and we've been friends ever since. I helped him with his skating and he helped me with rapping."
The two would hang out at skateparks and beatbox and rap together. The chemistry between them was electric and they soon became very popular.
"I don't want to be a dick," Da Les says of his success so far. "I want to have a level of cla**. I was raised to be nice and kind and down to earth. Even though I grew up in a house in Bryanston I'd still stay with my friends in Alex or Soweto.
"In my daily life I hang out at the malls. In terms of my clothing, I was always brought up to look good."
We move on to his album, which he says he wants to break internationally. Da Les is of the firm belief that he will be an international rapper one day.
"My album is called Fresh to Def, because it's like the sheeit, the definitive point. It's the absolute ultimate."
Da Les may sound like an American copycat, but the strange thing is he is exactly like his music. He is flash, he is fun, he is bling, he is superficial. And isn't that just what our youth are looking for?
Sounds like this was written with a can of haterade in hand... I had to SMh at the bold parts... explains a lot..
Discuss...
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Was this written by Therese Owen, by any chance?
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Thats right Rob... I know her pretty well actually.. and for someone who is in Lances pocket... sounds like her journalistic integrity won. She couldnt even pretend like its not irritating.... lol @ that..
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Lance as in Stehr?
Hmmm. I agree with you that her journalistic integrity did win out here. No offence to her as your friend, but she knows bugger-all about hip-hop journalism. Anybody remember those cringe-worthy pieces on Skwatta Kamp? Blech.
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Whoeve it is that wrote it, we can't say that we disagree with any of her opinions, can we?
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haai! haai!
you know for someone who is smart and can actually rap
(as shown on ready D's decktale show),
i am puzzled as to y any one would want to rap about being on your tippy-toes?
at my girls place last night, we happened to catch the vid on TV! i was flabbergasted by the lyrics/content (as i was too distracted @ the B-ball when they performed the song on a broken stage).
it went along the lines of "i get mine on my tippy-toes, i shine on my tippy toes"!
WTF is that? Who in their right mine gets anywhere standing on their tippytoes besides prima ballerinas?
this makes me mad!
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yeah.. I saw the vid as well...
I dont really have an opinion on this... I will say this though...
This 'catering to the teen market' thing is getting outta hand...
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i say good on whoeva wrote the piece :-*, it is rathr refreshing reading a piece that doesnt make me wana slit ma wrists and the blatant a**-kissing the journo is doing...
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I dont really have an opinion on this... I will say this though...
This 'catering to the teen market' thing is getting outta hand...
Co-sign...
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quite a favourable review i thought.
it goes without saying that les' music is not my cup of tea, but it's good for what it is.
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i thought the video was sloppy! shudve been off the CHAIN!
the single is fire! got dammit!!!!! u need a BIIIIIG VIDEO FOR THAT JOINT!
NOBODY GOT A SINGLE THAT DIESEL RYT NOW!
(except fo maybe JR's new single -Mathatha)
but yo that Journo sounds like an OLDER person tryin to hang with the youngns! lol. Of course she gone be annoyed! hahahahaha! ever tried hangin with a sibling 5-10 yrs younger than u? hahahahaha!!!! its not sumthing u can do for a WHOLE DAY!
Bad move by LES in participatin in that interview!
he need to get interviewed by the teen mags! yo -tv, k-tv n all those!
The journalist was funny tho,hahahahaha!(ie. the car is actually his MOMS!LMAO!why u gonna go an say that!lol) ;D
on the real tho TIPPY TOES is CRAZY! i love that shit!
f*** it. Im on my tippy toes doin my damn thang.
Ima get hold of this maf***er! its the REMIX baby!
The release of this album is as anticipated as Weezy in the US!
I love it! a local hiphop album im actually lookin forward to coppin! is it out dammit? im gone check musica today! get that Weezy n Da Les!
Then yall can get that Crackboys Vol.2 June 30!!!!
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Haha. OK. ;D ;D
Aren't you worried, Cash, that one day when you're old and all your teeth are falling out and you're in an old age home that you will wake up one morning and go, "My God, I've listened to a lot of crap music in my life."?
(Sorry! Couldn't help it.)
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i thought the video was sloppy! shudve been off the CHAIN!
the single is fire! got dammit!!!!! u need a BIIIIIG VIDEO FOR THAT JOINT!
NOBODY GOT A SINGLE THAT DIESEL RYT NOW!
(except fo maybe JR's new single -Mathatha)
but yo that Journo sounds like an OLDER person tryin to hang with the youngns! lol. Of course she gone be annoyed! hahahahaha! ever tried hangin with a sibling 5-10 yrs younger than u? hahahahaha!!!! its not sumthing u can do for a WHOLE DAY!
Bad move by LES in participatin in that interview!
he need to get interviewed by the teen mags! yo -tv, k-tv n all those!
The journalist was funny tho,hahahahaha!(ie. the car is actually his MOMS!LMAO!why u gonna go an say that!lol) ;D
on the real tho TIPPY TOES is CRAZY! i love that shit!
f*** it. Im on my tippy toes doin my damn thang.
Ima get hold of this maf***er! its the REMIX baby!
The release of this album is as anticipated as Weezy in the US!
I love it! a local hiphop album im actually lookin forward to coppin! is it out dammit? im gone check musica today! get that Weezy n Da Les!
Then yall can get that Crackboys Vol.2 June 30!!!!
We need a SMH smilie. Seeing as how this song is meant to cater to the teenie, little girl market and you love it so much, does that mean that you have the mind of a 13 year old girl?
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Sounds like this was written with a can of haterade in hand...
I Gotta say that aint no can of haterade! - THATS A 2 LITRE BOTTLE OF HATERADE...
i actually gotta say... at first i wasnt convinced by dude... but i saw him freestyle on one of spencers vids... he is quite nice with the free!! i also saw him on decktales...he was on the show right emcee-k?
but he knws what he wants and gotta respect that....
HOWEVER... i dont mean to sip from this 2 litre bottle (maybe i do ;D) but i heard a song a song by
I.G. called Tip witcha boy (Get on your tippy toes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yhg4UtDycLM
LINK REMOVED/audio/124868699314df48/
dont it sound the same? wat u think? just saying..
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LOL Rob!
and LOL at Cash (cause i really dont believe that u could be serious with all that talk).
@ Cash: How old are you? if u dont mind me asking
if les was a kid, then maybe i could understand it...but his not.
(& didnt he bite that dance move from Dj Unks "Walk it out"!?)
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lol. just like any other music that is taregetted for a specific CORE market. it can still be enjoyed by others.
The fact that im not a teen, or female, does not mean i ccant feel the track.lol.
Matter fact, the track is killin me man! im goin crazy and it feels f***ing good man! kinda like how i felt when i fisrt heard WU's TRIUMPH! or when i first heard REspiration(the video on BET) - reflection Eternal. I GOTS TO COP THAT SHIT!!!!!
I been prayin for a HIT RECORD from a SA CAT - God Dammit Lord, u delivered!!!! ;D Amen! ;)
Its those FEEL GOOD moments Rob,that i will look back on when im older.lol.
No time for regrets when ur on ur last tooth :)
i gotta learn that dance man!
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originality is not a pre-requisite for success in the SA teen crunk world.
pop + crunk = punk :)
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lol. yo D u need to loosen up man. u need to get up out ya chair ryt now!
Undo the tie!
Get the f*** up on ya tippy toes. ryt now man! ;D ;D ;D
f*** it...... yo Emcee K we can learn it together.lol.
Who knows how to do the dance? anyone on dat Rkelly Shit?(got a young girl.LMAO) or got a lil sister who can teach all us AG niggas!? ;D
Rob One,cmon u in the UK! theres a dance school on every corner dammit! go sign up!
TO ALL AG!
GET THE f*** UP ON YA TIPPY TOES!!!!! YEEEAAAAH NIGGA!!!!
lets hav sum fun mayn! its a long weekend! :D
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lol. yo D u need to loosen up man. u need to get up out ya chair ryt now!
Undo the tie!
Get the f*** up on ya tippy toes. ryt now man! ;D ;D ;D
f*** it...... yo Emcee K we can learn it together.lol.
Who knows how to do the dance? anyone on dat Rkelly Shit?(got a young girl.LMAO) or got a lil sister who can teach all us AG niggas!? ;D
Rob One,cmon u in the UK! theres a dance school on every corner dammit! go sign up!
TO ALL AG!
GET THE f*** UP ON YA TIPPY TOES!!!!! YEEEAAAAH NIGGA!!!!
lets hav sum fun mayn! its a long weekend! :D
:D Hahaha, yeah Ok, I'ma get my salsa on. My two step.
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thats the spirit :D
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quite a favourable review i thought.
it goes without saying that les' music is not my cup of tea, but it's good for what it is.
couldnt have said it better even if i tried
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I actually saw the shoot on Selimathunzi and i could see that the journalist was forced into doing that interview....
Im just dissapointed al LES for using the whole south formula (make a catchy song+ a dance= another blow for hip hop)
Honestly the song sucks
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Im just dissapointed al LES for using the whole south formula (make a catchy song+ a dance= another blow for hip hop)
***cough* arthur* cough**999*cough
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Hahaha point taken Pyro, but arthur aint hip hop... he actually does dance music, so he can get away with that
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*Tippy toes over the thread with a gun*
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The Industry is big enough for all of us. Have no qualms with homie doing his thing. Originality might be lacking but it has potential to be a hit amongst the youngsters and Cash.
As for calling it highly anticipated? I guess its relative.. In my circle haven't heard anyone "anticipate" it. I'd be surprised if they even knew he was cutting an album.
On the other hand "My extended circle" lil sister and co. Are loving the stuff. Someone needs to cater for them so its all gravy.
At the end of the day its all variety. You don't like it, switch it off. Sound technique I've been using for years'. It's really done wonders for my vitality.
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;D nyambs ur a chop :D
Ok,highly anticipated is a bit much. :D
im jus gettin my tbo on!!!!! ;D
but ja, im lovin the track!
originality is also relative i guess. if dude came with the same ol' Kwai-hop or Motswako or Spaza rap, wud peeps say its original?
Or if he took the tired "NY Underground" formula?
Or took the Cap City "Golden Era" battle punchline route?
For me i think his approach to the game in SA, is new and original! i mean which other SA cats are takin that route? ie. Catchy Song + Dance! its original in SA!
The song is off the chain!
If u like Soulja Boy,Hurricane Chris,DJ UNK,Weezy,Birdman,Ricky Ross,Jim Jones,Khaled,Akon,Tpain,Snoop,E-40,Youngbloodz,Lil Scrabby,Bow wow,Yung Joc etc.. DA LES is ON THAT LEVEL! HE CAN HANG WIT DA BIG DOGS n GO TOE TO TOE - excuse the pun! lol.
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The song is off the chain!
If u like Soulja Boy,Hurricane Chris,DJ UNK,Weezy,Birdman,Ricky Ross,Jim Jones,Khaled,Akon,Tpain,Snoop,E-40,Youngbloodz,Lil Scrabby,Bow wow,Yung Joc etc.. DA LES is ON THAT LEVEL! HE CAN HANG WIT DA BIG DOGS n GO TOE TO TOE - excuse the pun! lol.
its best if u rethink that statement
Think with ur head not with ur toes -excuse the pun lol
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@ Cash Sir, is the man with the cap taking a crap?? :-[
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No doubt.. The Tippy toe song is definitely on an international level. Its a well crafted song. Strong beat, well executed.
It might be an untried approach in South Africa, but its not original. Its not even debatable. If you switch on MTV, it will slot in nicely amongst the rest of the crunk songs.
I hear u about the NY formula/PTA etc but its not the same. no one ever waved an originality flag for them.
Gotta run
Enjoy your weekend and Stay on your Tippy Toes.
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ja ne now eeeeeerbodi wants to tiptoe around the forums wif cash as the president
lyk i said before good loooks for the lil kids and er1 tht thinks on that level
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Plus them BathingApes be covering my tippy toes and when I get them hoes its always on my tippy toes. f*** this is the hottest shit to eva hit SA. And ive heard the album is Fire. BONGANI, iv given up on that nigga. f*** that shiot the video is HOTT
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f*** this is the hottest shit to eva hit SA.
SMMH...
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yo jus when i thought it was safe after the Tippy Toes aftermath! BAMMM!
Crazy Lu drops that Rules Of Engagement! OHHHHHHH!!!!!!
These niggas is on that SHEEEEEIIIIT!!!!! Yes Taxi Driver! I am on my SHIIIIIIIT!!!!!!!!!!
Yo the Les album and the LU album have restored my faith in SA hiphop!!!!! 08 is gone be the greatest! f***, if JOZI release another one TOO! its over! Im feelin the pressure now!
Crackboys are back in the lab cookin that WHITE! Sorry D! :D
We goin into the Crackbhouse n bakin!!!!!!
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yo jus when i thought it was safe after the Tippy Toes aftermath! BAMMM!
Crazy Lu drops that Rules Of Engagement! OHHHHHHH!!!!!!
These niggas is on that SHEEEEEIIIIT!!!!! Yes Taxi Driver! I am on my SHIIIIIIIT!!!!!!!!!!
Yo the Les album and the LU album have restored my faith in SA hiphop!!!!! 08 is gone be the greatest! f***, if JOZI release another one TOO! its over! Im feelin the pressure now!
Crackboys are back in the lab cookin that WHITE! Sorry D! :D
We goin into the Crackbhouse n bakin!!!!!!
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Welcome all AG extremists etc...
To:
COMMEDY CENTRAL!!!
Just finished getting my edu on and I gotta say after a long 3 weeks of reading sum bull this was a nice way to start the holi's.
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Lol! :D
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Yo the Les album and the LU album have restored my faith in SA hiphop!!!!!
That's like saying that MacDonalds has restored your faith in American cuisine.
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Yo the Les album and the LU album have restored my faith in SA hiphop!!!!!
That's like saying that MacDonalds has restored your faith in American cuisine.
;D ;D ;D
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:D Cmon man. McDonalds LMAO!!!!
ITs been a while since so many people have been excited about a hiphop release. Since Skwatta Kamps "Umoya". Im talkin COMMERCIAL BUZZ, not UG buzz. its a great atmosphere
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f*** this is the hottest shit to eva hit SA.
SMMH...
Ha ha ha ha ha!
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:D checked the balerina scene in the vid! hahahahahahaha!!!!!!
LES is that nigga! hahahahaha!!!!
I co sign "This is the hottest shit hittin in SA ryt now!!!!"
Get on ya f***ing Tippy's niggas ;D
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:D Cmon man. McDonalds LMAO!!!!
ITs been a while since so many people have been excited about a hiphop release. Since Skwatta Kamps "Umoya". Im talkin COMMERCIAL BUZZ, not UG buzz. its a great atmosphere
MacDonald's probably makes more money than all the 3 star michelin chefs put together. Why do you think they call it a Happy Meal ;)
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;D
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We different ppl, and I love myCrunk shit, so to me both Lu and Les are fresh, and yes its the hottest shit to hit SA, iv bin sayin dt on AG for the past 2 years.
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I got the strangest phone call last night, concerning this boy.
I was out drinking, and then a friend of mine, from the station I used to work at in Bloem, gives me a call. She’s super hot by the way and Asian. I would so do her.
Anyway, she asks me if I know “a guy called Les from Jozi.” She’s not big on hip hop, so she usually asks me my opinion on hip hop matters when she has to play or review it on her show.
I tell her that I don’t know the guy personally, but I know who he is and I know of his “music”, but it’s not really my style. I’ve seen him around a few times and He also tried to hit on my girl in front of me once last year. She told him to go away.
Then she asks me how old he is, and if he is really retarded or if this was just an act he put on to impress young girls who don’t know any better. I started laughing and then she explains that she had just interviewed the boy on her show (telephonically) and he irritated her so much with his arrogance and stupidity that she thought he is 16 or something. Apparently boy was talking about how he is balling out of control and saying his album was gonna be the greatest hip hop album ever from SA and it’s strictly raw hip hop. We couldn’t stop laughing.
Has anyone heard any of the other tracks on this coming album? Is any of it raw?
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like u said! the chick dont know much about hiphop and asks u(Pyrogaynetic) for UR OPINION!!!! ;D there goes her credibility ;D ;D ;D lol. at least now we know that u like u sum Chow Mein with ya noodle soup. ;D
Id say LES is RAW.......................................energy ;)
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like u said! the chick dont know much about hiphop and asks u(Pyrogaynetic) for UR OPINION!!!! ;D there goes her credibility ;D ;D ;D lol. at least now we know that u like u sum Chow Mein with ya noodle soup. ;D
Id say LES is RAW.......................................energy ;)
Is it nice and warm there in Les' underpants? Be careful not to hug too tight, you might hurt his balls.
She is smart enough to admit she doesn't know, she even says so on her show. So instead of talking out her a**, like some people, she asks those who know more than her. I'd say that makes her very credible. I don't claim to know it all, but if I don't I'm not scared to ask either, like if I wanted to know about sucking cock and licking Metro Dj (Tbo) a**holes, I'd give you a call. You admitted to jocking him in the early days when you were at the studio all the time, to get some play.
Yeah, I like Asians, whites, blacks, Jews, blues, whatever. I might even give your girl a go if I meet her. I don't think she could be too hot or smart though. She is f***ing you after all. What kind of disgusting person she must be.
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words like 'raw' and 'gangsta' dont mean what they used to anymore...
Every now and again on AG someone will ask if these new rappers are 'ballin' on their own 2 feets or if their parents are supplying the bling funds. In Les' case Im afraid it may be the former.... I dont have a problem with that... But dont make it seem like hip-hop is paying your way through life when you're pushing your moms whip. Thats just wrong...
As for suggestions that Lu and Les are the best thing to come out of SA.. I would say that a lot of young cats on AG dont have a sense of history... They have a sense of what the media dishes out to them (right now)... and thats what they run with...I dont have a problem with that either...but AG's never been about that.. I have never even heard Lu rap
before..honestly... but I did see some program a while back on SABC where him and Bongz were singing some horrible R&B type shit... Im sorry but if thats what u consider the best ...then I cant co-sign that shit... what about Les makes him the best? Or LU for that matter... ? If its the swagger and the style and all that.. then once again... I cant co-sign that... Its a good look for the kiddie movement but...Im no kid.. back in the day youd have quotes from the verse... lines you like ..shit like that (not just the disses)...
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like u said! the chick dont know much about hiphop and asks u(Pyrogaynetic) for UR OPINION!!!! ;D there goes her credibility ;D ;D ;D lol. at least now we know that u like u sum Chow Mein with ya noodle soup. ;D
Id say LES is RAW.......................................energy ;)
Is it nice and warm there in Les' underpants? Be careful not to hug too tight, you might hurt his balls.
She is smart enough to admit she doesn't know, she even says so on her show. So instead of talking out her a**, like some people, she asks those who know more than her. I'd say that makes her very credible. I don't claim to know it all, but if I don't I'm not scared to ask either, like if I wanted to know about sucking cock and licking Metro Dj (Tbo) a**holes, I'd give you a call. You admitted to jocking him in the early days when you were at the studio all the time, to get some play.
Yeah, I like Asians, whites, blacks, Jews, blues, whatever. I might even give your girl a go if I meet her. I don't think she could be too hot or smart though. She is f***ing you after all. What kind of disgusting person she must be.
eish!!
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words like 'raw' and 'gangsta' dont mean what they used to anymore...
Co-sign like muthaf***er
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To my surprise there are sum raw tracks, and I dont mean Golden Shovel raw, the track feat Maggz and L-tido is dope dope, then the track feat his cousin Cook is crazy, and there is the mellow shit 2. Oh and he was asking my cousin for Congolese music( Rumba, Zouk) apparenty Bongani wana sample that for the new Jozi album, now they gone really blow throughout africa and maybe he can start ballin. LMAO ;) ;)
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like u said! the chick dont know much about hiphop and asks u(Pyrogaynetic) for UR OPINION!!!! ;D there goes her credibility ;D ;D ;D lol. at least now we know that u like u sum Chow Mein with ya noodle soup. ;D
Id say LES is RAW.......................................energy ;)
Is it nice and warm there in Les' underpants? Be careful not to hug too tight, you might hurt his balls.
*OMG i think i just died from laughter at u 2*
Hitting below the belt there na Pyro?
LES gets corns all day from all that tippy-toeing he be doing no?!
Every now and again on AG someone will ask if these new rappers are 'ballin' on their own 2 feets or if their parents are supplying the bling funds. In Les' case Im afraid it may be the former.... I dont have a problem with that... But dont make it seem like hip-hop is paying your way through life when you're pushing your moms whip. Thats just wrong...
Co-sign, what happened to doing for self?
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Can someone upload this shit already ?
wanna see if it's anything like this Tippy Toe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps3HPaucfK0
Dude looks like one of Cash's homeboy, the one that was saying Tumi from the V is bitching. LOL !!!!!
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LmAO he duz look like Kewpid, and MRc cop the album homez
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LmAO he duz look like Kewpid, and MRc cop the album homez
No doubt son.If i hear the single and like it will cop.f*** hating for no reason.I copped ya'lls mixtapes and liked it.So yeah.
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@Toaster
Did L.E.S.S feature his cousin? Are you serious? Sounds me like another J.Duprey move! might i remind you that it failed horribly! lol
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i don't know why i'm even asking, but what does da L.E.S. stand for?
How many Tippy Toe songs are there now? We seem to have Tip Witcha Boy, Tippy Toe and the Les joint. Anyone know of more?
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@ MRC thanx and ima mos def cop yo shit 2, coz i do hav a boom bap side
@ D LES stands for Les EQuals Success and Les Equals Swagger
Yoh i checked dis nigga on Oboma and hes got his own chain, its fresh.
@ Explicit the joint is dope dawg, but im not too sure if you gon like it
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Finaly heard this tippy toes Les track and i saw the vid.... Aaaahhh Heeeeelllll mutha-f***in NO!!!!!.... i listen'd to the first 20 seconds and put that shit on mute and watchd them lil high school girls dancing ;D ;D
Definately not ma cup of tea....
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the launch was tight!
for the first time there were way more chicks than niggas at a SA rappers launch!lol.
dudes performance was solid and performed the club shit,crunk shit,gangster shit,ladies shit and then the tippy toes track!!!
and errbody was rockin the ama kip kip tees!
hes created a solid fanbase,brand and brand partnership!
all the best to LES!
The MVT was in the building too!lookin fresh! with the whole crew rockin MVT IS THE FUTURE TEES!!! tight shit!
Even bumped into Crazy LU there!
yeah EmcceeK, LES is not the best as far as the general old definition of what a rapper supposed to be. But these are new times man. Like u said,then it was about picking out dope lines, how deep the lyrics are, and all that!
But now its about SWAG! Fanbase! SALES! BUZZ! Groupies! BLING! That NEW DANCE! ringtone music! lol. but for real! thats what its about now! if u wana play here now, u gotta be able to play by the NEW RULES!
Look at the guy from Optical Ill, he dun retired now as well(according to HYPE MAG), he say he cant hang with the new hustle, he not relevant anymore! He's right! Its a whole new game now! i respect that dude for bein honest! Boom Bap will never come back! The Golden Era will never come back! Jus like 3-5 yrs from now Crunk will never come back! Hip hop never goes BACKWARDS! its progressive! its an evolving game!
And within the new Game(with the new hustle n rules) as yall wud say, ie.for THE KIDS HIPHOP/RINGTONE/McDonalds clone shit(however uve defined it or tried to understand it), u cannot deny that LES,LU,Crackboys,Gliteratti,MVT,etc are running THAT shit! and THAT shit is where hiphop is ryt now going forward! Until it changes to yet another thing in the future! i welcome that! ive enjoyed and cherished every era in hiphop/rap since 1994. I dunno why yall cats have developed this hanging on to a certain era/set of defined rules complex!
i mean, for real tho, yall niggas gone die and who will be left?
THEM KIDS RYT? so thats where hiphop will live on! wit THEM KIDS! so why act like yall can stop that!? its reality! it will happen and cats like LES are speeding it up at an alarming pace! i know yall older niggas wanted some time to accept this shit, but times up! YUP! i been sayin this will happen when i first came on AG! i even WARNED YALL! niggas thought i was crazy! look now! ;D old niggas is only poppin with European shows(where yall jus on the roster not headlining the shows) while at home the youngns is headlining gainin more respect than yall at home!
niggas goin to Europe growin the hiphop scene there, but at home yall aint growin it! Cats BEEN goin to Europe gettin that money, but have they started any labels to help up n comin cats! Have they used that paper as CAPITAL for growing the NEW MARKET!?
No! and why?lol
cos they just tryin to preserve themselves. sorta like a dyin breed!
they are watching from the sidelines while sa hiphop grows into sumthing you cannot relate to! look at LEE, a hiphop DJ who disses hiphop all the time!??? cos she stuck in what hiphop used to be!
now she dont know hiphop! she cant relate to the changes(and honestly hiphop is alive today cos it keeps changin) she shud be the first to break a LES track! or a Souljah Boy track! And the new SOUND AFTER SOULJAH BOY!
but instead we gettin to listen to the shit we been havin on our PC's for the pas 10yrs? she still tryin to have cyphers on the show n shit! lmao! rather break new artists and get them playlisted! we tired of this.
yall dissin LES for seeing opportunity in a NEW MARKET!??? thats retarded!
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GREEN LIGHT - NOW PYRO MAY ADD HIS GAY a** COMMENTS.LMAO ;)
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Look at the guy from Optical Ill, he dun retired now as well(according to HYPE MAG), he say he cant hang with the new hustle, he not relevant anymore! He's right! Its a whole new game now! i respect that dude for bein honest! Boom Bap will never come back! The Golden Era will never come back! Jus like 3-5 yrs from now Crunk will never come back! Hip hop never goes BACKWARDS! its progressive! its an evolving game!
Damn man.....u r really excited at this, props to LES but who from Optical Ill retired??cos I heard that BK was no longer with them
Next time try to shorten ur long a** speeches ;D
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Thing is LES will only ever appeal to high school girls as far as I'm concerned?
None of his peers are gonna recognize him as a Solid rapper who represents the culture. Cool shit has changed, believe me i understand that.
But c'mon now, I'm not 18 anymore and even then, i doubt this type of music would appeal to me.
Hes pop straight up and down, thats the bottomline? For a dude to find LES impressive is borderline homo, for real!
I'm a grown a** man, dancing on my tippy toes? WTF? I'd look like a complete dick! As will anyone over 25?
I'm not hating here, so keep your dicks in your pants kiddies. Just feel, if we gonna box homeboy, i'm putting him in the POP category?
I was kinda impressed by the JOZI performance at the Xenophobia gig, as far as a performance goes, i can't stand their music but the performance was solid. I'm sure LES got that type of appeal going with his solo shit. But i really doubt he's dropping a cla**ic album, he's media-hype based so of course he's gonna blow up, if he doesn't, hau!
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I'm a grown a** man, dancing on my tippy toes? WTF? I'd look like a complete dick! As will anyone over 25?
Anyone who has ever seen Raiko will agree with the above statement. It would be a funny sight seeing a big dude doing ballerina steps.
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^^^ :D :D :D
@ Cash...check ur mail
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I respect Les & all...homeboy is humble as hell bt i dnt dig his music.like the
rest here i dnt relate to dat crunk ish.i can't deny the fact that its his time to shine
& i'm happy he's going big...one thing we should nt forget is most of us here joined
this(hip hop)culture while we were in high school so if his fanbase is high school kids
then there's nothing wrong wt that.if you dnt dig it just jst skip it.one thing thats f***ed
up will be hatred for them crunk niggas.hop hop is taking another turn so let it be fellasz.
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;D doing a dance is not about age dog! u probably dont dance at all! n maybe u jus look stupid doin any dance.lol. are u white? hahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhaa.
kids from 3-peeps from up to 50 yrs were doing inyoka,manyisa,guqa and other dances!
Jus say u jus cant dance, not mention ur age as an excuse! lol.
and yo hiphop went pop from the Notorious BIG/diddy and the fam days. why yall actin like its a new thing! lol. we long accepted hiphop fusing with pop! matter fact biggies Hypnotise,Juicy,Mo money mo problems,Sky is the limit are all pop tracks!
Jay z's biggest hits are pop tracks!
Tupacs Dear mama,Toss it up, How do u want it, Every city we go(same hoe), even HIT EM UP are pop tracks!
Run DMC even did pop tracks back in they day!
Eminem's Stan is a pop track!
So hiphop has been POP now dog.cmon! even Talib Kweli does pop records like Waitin for the DJ! his new joint with Will I Am is a pop track!
MOST HIPHOP HIT RECORDS HAVE BEEN POP RECORDS! even DMX has a Loooong line of POP records!
LupeFiasco got gang of pop records!
So uv been liking POP for ages. i guess u been on a homo tip on the low ;D
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I think pop stands for popular,every mcee wants to be popular is n't it?
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I respect Les & all...homeboy is humble as hell bt i dnt dig his music.like the
rest here i dnt relate to dat crunk ish.i can't deny the fact that its his time to shine
& i'm happy he's going big...one thing we should nt forget is most of us here joined
this(hip hop)culture while we were in high school so if his fanbase is high school kids
then there's nothing wrong wt that.if you dnt dig it just jst skip it.one thing thats f***ed
up will be hatred for them crunk niggas.hop hop is taking another turn so let it be fellasz.
Well said brah! niggas need to let it go! and let it be! jus like how the older niggas before them,let them be!
stop acting like yall started this shit! there were niggas before yall,n they was sayin n reactin exactly the same as what yall are now.
they were resisting ur come up until they jus let go! n yall did yall thing! now its ur turn to let go!
Jus like we goon hav to let go when its our turn!
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one thing we should nt forget is most of us here joined
this(hip hop)culture while we were in high school so if his fanbase is high school kids
then there's nothing wrong wt that.
Myself included even before high school, i was referring to High School girls in particular, cause thats who he caters for, in my opinion? LES is riding on that fan base alone, dudes should just be at his gigs to get laid. Participating in a tippy toes dance off, ha ha! Whatever does it for you!
All i'm saying, The latest fashions, bling, tippy toes don't appeal to me. Do your thing! Just don't put homie on a pedestal yet?
His music is pop formula and i'm sure even people that don't like hip hop, would most likely buy into that?
Comparing LES to any of those mentioned is funny, i wasn't comlaining bout pop, i just don't like it. Eat me!
Cash watch yourself my man, i wasn't taking shots, or is it your opinion that only counts?
Why you being defensive?
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sorry man. never meant to offend.real talk.
many cats whove heard les rap can co-sign that he got skills.
lol. no doubt man, i cant really picture u dancin n stuff too! lol. but that dont give u the mandate now to ridicule it,jus cos u cant move ya feet.lol.
all our opinions count,f***! ive learned so much from AG cats!
i jus dont think anybody can say they dont like pop music!
since it really is JUST POPULAR MUSIC like homey said!
U tellin me u dont dig Michael Jackson? Bob Marley,Mary J Blige, U2, The Notorious BIG and practically ALL the GREAT musicians of our time! i cant comprehend that?
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He got swagger alright! But his rapping naah! maani swear wont watch it again!
Ill stick to the level of Yung Joc's music ,"its goin down,Slim thug and Clipse-"Wamp wamp" who do that shit with skill man.Its a Saturday be merry niggaz!!!! lets not shoot down anyone tastes tho.
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They had substance! Ok i listen to pop music in that sense. If it's popular just because of good marketing, a dance move or fashion trends, then why the f*** should i conform? i understand the popular music thing, but the poppy shit! You telling me you get down to anything thats popular? Bullshit!
I won't buy into something because the media portrays it as dope?
You telling me you did the macarena in the day! Cause its dope? f***ing hell!
Why should i give up on the shit that made me like Hip Hop to begin with? If thats a matter of not moving on, then i can live with that!
I've never forced my opinion on anyone, be that music as well, it sounds like if we don't get down on our tippy toes, then we hating?
This is an opinion thing, i met LES when he was like 14 or something, you think i'm tryna dim his shine? That would make me a real punk a**.
Dude ain't that bad as a person, i just don't like the music! f***, it's not that serious?
I usually brake shit when i dance, i have a drinking problem! Thats not my point though bout the dance, it's for a certain market, i'm not apart of it?
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Of course we all dig those people. I was an Mj fan since I can remember, even had the glove and too-short pants shit going when I was a kid (Sad days indeed). That's how I got into dancing, which led to b-boying which led to hip hop ultimately.
The difference between these cats and the pop stars of today though is that those cats innovated, while these new cats just follow the formula of what is selling at the moment.
You shouldn't even be mentioning MJ and LEs in the same topic in my opinion.
Every time this man dropped an album up till before Invincible, he changed the way music sounds and the way we perceive what it should sound like. I don;t see any of the hot cats out now doing that.
So yeah, let Les do what he does, but saying its the best thing ever out of SA or acting like it is in any way fresh and innovative is pushing it dont you think?
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I dont know, but i like LES
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Its funny, I just remembered the first time Les was mentioned on AG. Maybe someone can find that thread, cos it seems most of you don't have shit to do anyway.
It was when Jozi first broke out and people were on some "Who's the other guy who was wearing the bling? He looks like a shiny Lizzard."
I think it was Deacon that said that.
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^^damn homie r u getting paid for all this hating? leave the kids to tippy toe, long as u r real head no need 4 all this jessus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
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^^damn homie r u getting paid for all this hating? leave the kids to tippy toe, long as u r real head no need 4 all this jessus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
Not hating, I just remembered it, since we're on the topic. He came far from being the shiny Lizard to being some people's new hero.
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:D :D :D :D@ Shiny Lizard, but man I real;ly think u'll end up scarring the Monopoly and Tippy Toe Movements out of this board.......and I dont think Dpleezy will be happy with that ;D (Supposing this website is pulling some $$$ for him)
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You must be confuseded.
This isn't DPeezy's site.
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You must be confuseded.
This isn't DPeezy's site.
huh? I thought he owned the site..........Is it yours :D :D? that would be funny
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Yes it is, my other alias is Milk.
Feel free to send me any requests and I will try to get them done. You can also send me pm's just to chat, anytime.
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Nigga stop lying :D......if u r the owner, can u snoop around peoples pms without them noticing?and hell no...I'm not chatting with u unless u got pussy surgically attached 2 ur hands with some of that internet dough
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I think Tate & Milk are owning this bitch.
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I think Tate & Milk are owning this bitch.
Ohh well Pyro is a partener ::) ::)......can u delete this thread partna??
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I told you that my alias is Milk didn't I?
I also used to be called TAte, but I hardly use that account nowadays.
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I told you that my alias is Milk didn't I?
I also used to be called TAte, but I hardly use that account nowadays.
Alright...I think u r telling the truth :) :)....
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Pyro don't f***en lie you neither Tate nor Milk,i met Tate he ain't like you,
Tate is dark skined & you are not!
@Taxi Driver this nigga is f***ing wt you big time mfana foreal!!!!
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Ohh shit....Cash's not here now this muffuca is toying with me.....I'm out >:(
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Pyro don't f***en lie you neither Tate nor Milk,i met Tate he ain't like you,
Tate is dark skined & you are not!
@Taxi Driver this nigga is f***ing wt you big time mfana foreal!!!!
I was going through a tough time. f***ing with some new moisturisers and spending a lot of time in the sun. Where did we meet?
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Did anyone attend the FRESH TO DEF! LAUNCH?
Did the crowd pitch up? and di they pay to go in? I know black orchid has a tendacy to draw broke people who hog around the club making you think its too full when in reality that bitch is dry and empty?
How was the performance?
Did he tippy toe?
Who was the supporting act?
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Pyro don't f***en lie you neither Tate nor Milk,i met Tate he ain't like you,
Tate is dark skined & you are not!
@Taxi Driver this nigga is f***ing wt you big time mfana foreal!!!!
I was going through a tough time. f***ing with some new moisturisers and spending a lot of time in the sun. Where did we meet?
:) ;D ;D :D :D :D :) :)
this killed me f***
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Did anyone attend the FRESH TO DEF! LAUNCH?
Did the crowd pitch up? and di they pay to go in? I know black orchid has a tendacy to draw broke people who hog around the club making you think its too full when in reality that bitch is dry and empty?
How was the performance?
Did he tippy toe?
Who was the supporting act?
off the chain, it was packed, we got some good footage there.
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man Ex, u shudv bn there man! shit was off the chain man! it was packed to capacity!
the performance was f***in hot man! i luv les n bongs energy with repetoires!!!!
i even bumped into crazy lu!!! ;)
shit was off the hinges man! havent seen a hiphop launch that crazy EVER! real talk!
Big ups to So Fet for organisin it! everything was solid!
The atmosphere was electric man!
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i even bumped into crazy lu!!! ;)
Someone pa** him a tissue before he creams himself.
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i even bumped into crazy lu!!! ;)
Someone pa** him a tissue before he creams himself.
i luv les n bongs energy with repetoires!!!!
i dont know no more
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lol... I think its safe to say that its either love him or not with LES.. Good to hear the launch was solid tho.. Like I said before I dont particularly feel either way about dude.. I just read this interiew at allhiphop tho...
http://allhiphop.com/stories/features/archive/2008/06/20/20170405.aspx
It got me to thinking.. I think my initial response when I first heard this song was ...'why is dude dumbing his content down like that?'... emphasis on 'dumming down'... I dont think that all peeps who used to listen to hip-hop in the 90's hate the new kids because they're new. The dislike is based on this concept of dumming down...(granted if you're to communicate with a teenage audience..you may need to dumb down to their level).. but there are many new kids who are just as young... but the content is not dumbed down.. (Kool Kidz, Kids in the Hall, Lupe... etc)..
So the question is.. what does 'dumming down' mean to you? Say I was a 'conscious' or 'older' or 'backpack' type rhymer and I wanted to reach some young'ins out there... would I have to dumb my content down?!? From hearing LES rhyme before... does anyone feel that he has dumbed his lyrics down...? make sure to read the linked atricle before responding...
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lol... I think its safe to say that its either love him or not with LES.. Good to hear the launch was solid tho.. Like I said before I dont particularly feel either way about dude.. I just read this interiew at allhiphop tho...
http://allhiphop.com/stories/features/archive/2008/06/20/20170405.aspx
It got me to thinking.. I think my initial response when I first heard this song was ...'why is dude dumbing his content down like that?'... emphasis on 'dumming down'... I dont think that all peeps who used to listen to hip-hop in the 90's hate the new kids because they're new. The dislike is based on this concept of dumming down...(granted if you're to communicate with a teenage audience..you may need to dumb down to their level).. but there are many new kids who are just as young... but the content is not dumbed down.. (Kool Kidz, Kids in the Hall, Lupe... etc)..
So the question is.. what does 'dumming down' mean to you? Say I was a 'conscious' or 'older' or 'backpack' type rhymer and I wanted to reach some young'ins out there... would I have to dumb my content down?!? From hearing LES rhyme before... does anyone feel that he has dumbed his lyrics down...? make sure to read the linked atricle before responding...
So put your hands up if you remember the Juice Crew
They don't make em' like they used to
This supposed to be the new school?
Your guns are aimless, songs are nameless
How long you been famous?
Enough said
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hahahaha! Rob ur a chop! ;D
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its a pity!
its real sad that some1 would want to rap about tippy toes like that
making a dance track isnt bad-at all-but i mean WTF dude?!
a new thread is in order! titled: THE DUMBEST LYRICISTS IN THE GAME TODAY
LOL
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hahaha! i think the dumbest lyrics of all time crown go to OL DIRTY BASTARD! hahahahaha!!!!
I loved that nigga! he got away with anything!
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i don't object to fun dance tracks with silly names, lighthearted lyrics or simplistic song concepts as long as they are done with some originality. I find it depressing that SA doesn't have an equivalent of the Neptunes for example - someone with some originality who makes hip-pop music that isn't just shamelessly copied from whatever trend is happening somewhere else.
i just find it impossible to get excited by anything so utterly devoid of creativity and derivative - the look, the sound, the lyrics, even the song names! The kids deserve better!
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D,i cud say exactly the same for the heads(they deserve better from the UG cats) cos all the underground cats is copycats of canibus,the roots,company flow,wu tang,killarmy,and the producers is clones of premeir,hi-tek,jay d, and pete rock. etc.
the look is that old look,that grimey utility look,the military look,the regular guy look and the BROKE RAPPER LOOK. but i guess its only a issue when its commercial hey D?
the only difference is that the UG cats follow old trends and the young niggas is followin current trends.
U cats may fool the kids n say yall original! but for us who have seen hiphop thru all the stages, we can still see that the dudes u co-signin is also followin trends, just not current ones!
theres not a single hiphop artist in the world who can say they original and do not follow a certain trend.f*** outta here!
even Pharell will tell you, he follows Timbalands lead! and he also looks at whats hot ryt now!
when the south took over,guess what, he started bangin out the filtered 808's!
when Kanye came out, Pharell started doin more sample based production(look at Snoops album that he did)
And Timbo will tell u, he followin the trends in the POP market now!
and he will also tell u that he copied a lot of what Michael Jacksons production sounded like. and the use of vocals in the beat!
And Michael Jackson will tell u he mimiced James Brown.etc.
f*** outta here with that originality shit!
music is a forever growing space, we jus enter and add on. nobody comes in and just re-defines music. its a learning space, and to learn everybody mimics and copies, and repeats what was done before!
and yes, jus cos u spit in vernac, u still a clone of some US rappers!!!! u jus hide it more! lol. a lot of vernac cats are on REDMANS NUTS! stealin that flow but think we dont notice jus cos its a diff language! lol
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So i hear, Mr L.E.S was performing with an entourage of like 50 people on a 5cm stage ? LOL ! BodyGuards and all. Dudes take this shit too far man.
BALLLINNNNNNNN !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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you have made some valid points Cash, esp when u say that SA UG cats follow american trends-
i think the fact that US trends are copied by rappers, applies to everyone in SA right now!
but why would UG heads wanna fool kids
U cats may fool the kids
i think that the mainstream content bamboozles kids into being people that they aren’t
i.e: Les driving his moms whip to portray and image that he cant sustain himself!
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@ Cash I agree with you to a certain extent. Everything we do in life is in reference of something else. So total originality is never really attainable.
I guess you would probably call me a "UG" cat, i love all the producers u listed. But i dont have beats that sound like theirs. I have beats that are sonically similar, in terms of approach. But i never heard someone confuse one of my tracks to Primo's or Hiteks or whatever.
Its all about what you do with your influence. The twist you put on it. That extra something. Thats what separates people. Thats why you can hear a Dplanet beat, or one of mine.
But with some people u cant. If you had heard the tipsy toes instrumental, followed by a lil john instrumental, i doubt you would have been able to say thats a bongz beat or whatever. That is not a diss, That in itself is a testament to Bongz talent, he can bang out a beat that can stand up to anyone, worldwide, its just a matter of adding that extra twist/spin.
I heard Tippsy TOes, and it honeslty wasnt something new, but i do think Les has more in his locker that is different and refreshing.
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Unyanisile CASH mntakwethu(dats true) like Nas once said NO IDEA IS ORIGINAL ;D ;D ;D
good f***en point...gzzzzzzzzz!!!
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@ Enis21 about homeboy driving his moms car....there's nothing wrong wt that.
remember Puff & Big when they first came out,they were wearing fake bling...dat got him
where he is now.like Kanye west says every thing i'm not made me everything i am...
stop hating on others progress.if you can't beat them better joint.most of yall would n't suvive on the street wt out yo 9to5...let eating niggas breath!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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Granted.No Idea is Original.That's beside the point here.My biggest problem with ya new age rappers is that ya'll really aint saying nothin. Hip-Hop used to be a voice of young people, who otherwise didn't have other avenues to get their message across.Even the party joints where oozing with creativity and freshness,e.g. Busta Rhymes and Zhane - It's a Party.Now ya'll aint got nothing to say.These kids are growing up listening to your dumbed-down garbage.They see the videos with the grills,the girls and grown-a** jumping around senselessly,saying ignorant shit that has no substance and they grow up with that.Instead of elevating the youngins and helping them grow into a powerful young nation able to compete with other young people in the world,ya'll got them locked up in the clubs,with shiny lip glosses, lollipops,tippy-toeing and Supermanning their HOES.
That aint nothin to be proud of,and until ya start saying something relevant, all ya'll NEW SCHOOL RAPPERS will never be respected.Ya'll brought the game down simple and plain.And then ya'll got the nerve to call it HUSTLING.f*** ya'll man.
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i feel u ensi.
what im sayin is that UG cats use the terms "original,real,true hiphop" when referring to their selves. but they took from US hiphop jus as much as DA LES!
LES copied the Crunk approach and rock BAPES
UG cats copied the Golden Era approach and rock Dirty Tims.
Same shit,different toilet! thats the point im makin!
@Nyambs, i hear u!
But u dont neccesarily follow Bongs production(in detail) so u dont recognise,the Bongs elements he adds to a beat!
Not tryin to diss either but Microphone Sweet Home was a direct cloning of a Pete Rock beat (not jus Sonically - drums,base,sample filtering,etc.)n u know it.hahahhaha. ;D but i respect u for pullin it off! Matter fact it sounded slightly fresher than Pete Rock when i heard that! n it had dat Nyambs feel. but u get my point. a dude who dont follow ur production in detail wud hear that n be like "aint dat a Pete Rock beat?" :) jus like u wud with the Bongs beat on Tippy Toes!
n jus like a nigga wud when hearin Nigga Please, theyd be like "aint that the Paul Wall beat" but a dude who follow my prod wud be like naw, listen to the drum pattern,dats CASH!
im jus sayin we ALL follow trends! whether or not its hidden, or jus plain in ya face! whether old or new trends! so lets not trash talk new cats cos they in tune with the new trends and Ug cats prefer the older trends!
LOL.@Les being dissed for drivin his moms car, i dont think that matters! most rappers drive the record labels cars,same thing! having a fly car available for u to roll in is tight! who cares whose car it is! LMAO! thats petty! If i had the luxury of havin 2 parents and they had GWAP! id be f***in happy man! less stress, more financial support! thats a good look,especially if theyre supportive.
ps. MrC, lil Mama is the voice of the youth! She sayin a lot!
young Jeezy is very inspirational!
Mike Jones had a very meaningful approach to his lyrics!
T.I makes a lot of insightful songs about life!
The problem is not that cats aint sayin nothin! its that U AINT WILLING TO LISTEN TO WHAT THEY SAYIN!(not U specifically, just the older heads in general!)
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True.All those cats you mentioned do have something to say @ times.But on the real, there's only handful of them. Even then,those songs are rarely ever released as singles/videos.And in the age of IPOD's and MP3 downloads, kids just buy the "one club" song and disregard the albums,so they never get to hear the other shit.We need more songs like "Runaway Love" and "Ridin Dirty". That's the difference. Back then people released songs like "Dre-Little ghetto Boy" "Wu-tang - C.R.E.A.M "Nas - One Love" "Ghostface - All that i got is you" as singles.Cos they was trying to get some sort of positive message out there.Nowadays it seems if you don't have a club single your doomed.Being Intelligent is seen as bad,not from the hood,etc,etc.Dumbing down is the new cool thing.
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It's true that very few people ever start a new sound. in any genre. those would be the super talented genuises who arrive once in a while and redefine music genres. But even them use what has been there before in some way or the other. Some follow trends set by others but make improvements on these and do it better than the trend setters. I agree with Nyambs in that what separates good producers from the rest is the extra they put in from what may already exist.
I always laugh at how underground heads & old school heads (and I'm considered one by many heads who know me) always claim to be more original. yet we are doping what we saw from the Boom Bap era.our general outlook on hip hop is informed by the early, mid and late 90s. We still long for that. Even cats who mix drum & ba**, jazz, electrio with hip hop claiming originalisty is a joke. but big ups to those that create a signature sound as Nyambs said.
People are quick to say all new school artsists are biters. yet some have created more of their own signature sounds than the old school heads. for instance,
I think Jozi did manage to create something new. at least to me. The whole fusion of traditional sounds with CRUNK to produce a hip pop sound is new. The motherland crunk sound so to speak is something that had never been done before. Bongs had his own unique beats. And the hooks + samples were quite different. . now I see 37MPH has used something similar for a JR track mixing setwsana traditional sounds with Crunk. you might not like it, but it is new and different. to me what Bongs did is no different from what Izithunywa Zohlanga did. both Fresh styles based on modifying what exists and fusing different sounds but appeal to different crowds.
with that said, I still dig my Boom bap sounds and underground ish, more than any Crunk record. Coz i belive there some who are still doing Boom bap in an intersting way. You cant tell me that you did not feel 21 gun salute by Landmynz. unless it is uncool to like certain sounds / groups / whatevere in your circle of friends. but if something sounds good to me, I'll listen regardless of what genre it is. especially since so much local stuff is just plain boring.
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Granted.No Idea is Original.That's beside the point here.My biggest problem with ya new age rappers is that ya'll really aint saying nothin. Hip-Hop used to be a voice of young people, who otherwise didn't have other avenues to get their message across.Even the party joints where oozing with creativity and freshness,e.g. Busta Rhymes and Zhane - It's a Party.Now ya'll aint got nothing to say.These kids are growing up listening to your dumbed-down garbage.They see the videos with the grills,the girls and grown-a** jumping around senselessly,saying ignorant shit that has no substance and they grow up with that.Instead of elevating the youngins and helping them grow into a powerful young nation able to compete with other young people in the world,ya'll got them locked up in the clubs,with shiny lip glosses, lollipops,tippy-toeing and Supermanning their HOES.
That aint nothin to be proud of,and until ya start saying something relevant, all ya'll NEW SCHOOL RAPPERS will never be respected.Ya'll brought the game down simple and plain.And then ya'll got the nerve to call it HUSTLING.f*** ya'll man.
I dont know man coz even in the mid 90s a lot of people were listening to SNOOP DOG and other gangster rappers. Before that there were the likes of HAMMER, VANNILLA ICE, KRISS KROSS. some people got into hip hop trough these and at some point started listening to other types of hip hop (underground / whatever you wanna call it). there were dances, senseless party lyrics, etc just as there are these days. this has always been the case. some will find their way to Nas/Immortal technique/KRS ONE via Young Jeezy. I dont think there is anything wrong with that. so long as there is a diversity of styles, hip hop will live. and people will find something for them in hip hop in one way or the other.
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yo MERCH,well said man!
The spirit of hiphop, or what MRC feels is lacking, u can find in a lot of current artists like Jeezy and Ricky Ross.
Runaway Love,Ridin Dirty were BIG SINGLES dog!
so ther u hav it!
Hiphop is alive and well!
Jus open ur mind to hear it
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The statement about LES driving his moms car is pretty week. So what if it isnt his?? Do you know how many 'so called ballers' started trembling when there were threats of a 200 basis point increase??
People in SA ball with money they dont have all the time. Rolling around in whips and ma**ive cribs that banks still own. It was scary how many people put both either their house or cars up for sale during the weeks leading up to the interest rates announcement.
We are all guilty of living fantasy lifestyles, whether we rap about it or falsely live it. Try living without your credit car or buying a crib or a car without a loan.
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so long as there is a diversity of styles, hip hop will live.
my point exactly.there's very little diversity @ the moment. don't get me wrong here.i like party music.but right now there's just a little too much of it going around.and it seems artists are scared to come out with something new and fresh, that doesn't follow what everybody else is doing.there are exceptions off course, people who push boundaries,lupe,kanye,etc.But just not enough in comparison to Spice 1, Goodie Mobb, 2Pac, De La Soul, Poor Righteous Teachers, Ice-T,Queen Latifah,Brand Nubian,e
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all i can say is 'pharrell fiasco' sucks... period...
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Yep Hip Hop is not dead. Its just evolved. like it did from the 70's to the 80's to the 90's to the 00's.
This is the only phase i havent been able to embrace. Its the least stimulating phase, but thats just my personal feelings. There is not much variety right now. Atleast not as much as in the decades past. In fairness, the East coast is stale, and the west coast is somewhat comatose.
I dont think there is a problem with whats out now, its a reflection of what is big now and will just be part of hiphop history in 10 years when the next phase is on. Provided we get there of course.
@ Cash, the mic phone sweet home was intended to sound like PR. from the decision to use the same Tom Scott Sample he flipped for TROY. but what i meant, was take that beat, compare it to the ones i did for teargas, to the ones i did for Prokid, to the ones i did for Optical illusion etc. They differ.
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The statement about LES driving his moms car is pretty week. So what if it isnt his?? Do you know how many 'so called ballers' started trembling when there were threats of a 200 basis point increase??
People in SA ball with money they dont have all the time. Rolling around in whips and ma**ive cribs that banks still own. It was scary how many people put both either their house or cars up for sale during the weeks leading up to the interest rates announcement.
We are all guilty of living fantasy lifestyles, whether we rap about it or falsely live it. Try living without your credit car or buying a crib or a car without a loan.
I don't think anyone disagrees with you on this. I roll in my parents' cars all the time. That way I don't have to pay for petrol. ;D At the moment I'm rolling in my brother's car cos I sold mine to buy a bike. Nothing wrong if you're not rolling in your own car.
But then these kids who roll in their folks' BMW's and Benzes and act as if they're the shit and claim how they're hustling, they are part of the problem.
Fans look at them and see how they're living and the image they are projecting, without realising that it is a facade and it's actually mommy's ride. They go out and try to live that lifestyle too, cos they're too stupid to think for themselves and do them.
That's why so many people are in huge debt and having their shit repossessed for failing to pay.
If I remember correctly, some of these so-called ballers were trying talks hit about me not living their kind of lifestyle quite recently. I wonder how they're living nowadays, while I haven't had to change much in terms of my spending habits. They must have downsized to medium pimping.
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yo Mr C ur crazy bra, or u jus not opening ur ears n eyes jus like i said!
Ryt now hiphop is at its most diverse point ive seen!
rick ross is doin it man! that Notorious B.I.G shit!
souljay boy doin that dance shit!
Lupe,Kids in the Hall is doin that TCQ,mos def shit!
Kanye is goin WEST ;D
50 is doin it GANGSTA!
Jay still got dat Rocafella SOUL music!
The GAME is holdin down WEST COAST hiphop!
Flo Rida bringin dat Bone thug/fastflow shit back!
Jeezy is doin dat PAC shit!
Lil Wayne is bringin dem LYRICAL SHITS!
Common,Kweli still holdin down dat conscious shit!
Chamillionaire dropped a cla**ic NWA/Dead Prez/Public Enemy style album jus last yr!!!!
T.I.P brings it like Scarface used to!
Cats like Sean Kingston have even taken hiphop even another level further!
Akon n T-Pain have revolutionised hiphop hooks and bridges!
what else u want?????
its jus punks like Nas creating PERCEPTIONS that Crunk killed hiphop.
WTF? hiphop is good! maybe Crunk killed HIM!
@Nyambs yeah,thats what im sayin! if i looked at ur catalog and compared and looked at ur beats in detail. then id pick up what u sayin! So do the same with Bongs beats! He's very diverse and a far superior musician than all of us! real talk! boys sick!
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Yep Hip Hop is not dead. Its just evolved. like it did from the 70's to the 80's to the 90's to the 00's.
This is the only phase i havent been able to embrace. Its the least stimulating phase, but thats just my personal feelings. There is not much variety right now. Atleast not as much as in the decades past. In fairness, the East coast is stale, and the west coast is somewhat comatose.
I dont think there is a problem with whats out now, its a reflection of what is big now and will just be part of hiphop history in 10 years when the next phase is on. Provided we get there of course.
@ Cash, the mic phone sweet home was intended to sound like PR. from the decision to use the same Tom Scott Sample he flipped for TROY. but what i meant, was take that beat, compare it to the ones i did for teargas, to the ones i did for Prokid, to the ones i did for Optical illusion etc. They differ.
@ nyambz - if i may ask what track did u do for teargas
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He's very diverse and a far superior musician than all of us! real talk! boys sick!
Speak for yourself.. I can play a mean triangle. ;) But no doubt, i've always thought highly of Bongz. Super talented dude.
I do listen to music intently, anyone who has hung out with me, know's i can listen to a track and tell u who was sampled, which musicians are playing on it etc. I have coming on 800gb of music on my pc, three and a half thousand Records, and quite a few CD's. I listen far intently than u could ever fathom.
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The statement about LES driving his moms car is pretty week. So what if it isnt his?? Do you know how many 'so called ballers' started trembling when there were threats of a 200 basis point increase??
People in SA ball with money they dont have all the time. Rolling around in whips and ma**ive cribs that banks still own. It was scary how many people put both either their house or cars up for sale during the weeks leading up to the interest rates announcement.
We are all guilty of living fantasy lifestyles, whether we rap about it or falsely live it. Try living without your credit car or buying a crib or a car without a loan.
I don't think anyone disagrees with you on this. I roll in my parents' cars all the time. That way I don't have to pay for petrol. ;D At the moment I'm rolling in my brother's car cos I sold mine to buy a bike. Nothing wrong if you're not rolling in your own car.
But then these kids who roll in their folks' BMW's and Benzes and act as if they're the shit and claim how they're hustling, they are part of the problem.
Fans look at them and see how they're living and the image they are projecting, without realising that it is a facade and it's actually mommy's ride. They go out and try to live that lifestyle too, cos they're too stupid to think for themselves and do them.
That's why so many people are in huge debt and having their shit repossessed for failing to pay.
If I remember correctly, some of these so-called ballers were trying talks hit about me not living their kind of lifestyle quite recently. I wonder how they're living nowadays, while I haven't had to change much in terms of my spending habits. They must have downsized to medium pimping.
A lot of people were exposed. They had white folk on carte blanche, living in 3 storey cribs and pushing jaguars complaining that the interest rate hikes would make life extremely uncomfortable for them. There arent too many people in this country REALLY ball. Coppin whips cash and ish...
Anyway, my take on all this is simple. A lot of very valid points have been raised this whole thread.
We have have numerous debates on what hip hop is, or what it is supposed to be, or where it is going to be. But no one has actually been able to answer those questions. I think we can all agree that NO ONE can define what hip hop is.
So if that is the case, why are there people constantly complaining about what others are doing in the game?
Isnt hip hop what you make it? Like Nyambz said, isnt it just an extension of what was done in history with the relevance of todays society? (however relevant or insignificant the content may be?)
Why cant people accept the art for what it is now, without necessarilly having to listen to it or buy it?
I for one never really bouht into the new era of the music, and during the whole period that people were shouting hip hop was dead from the rooftops i still managed to find music of quality to listen to and enjoy for what it is. Dont believe me?? The UGHH 2008 thread is a great place to start.
If the art itself cannot be defined who ae we to say what is wrong or right with regards towhat it is supposed to be. The issue of origionality is worthless too. But that has been discussed in previous posts. Personally, i just see it all boiling down to hate on the part of the so called real heads. Which just happens to be the category i fall under.
Dudes just cant stand seeing people putting in work and being recognised for it. It really does not matter whether their content is relevant or not. Becasue i think we can all agree that our beloved golden era of hip hop is gone, and will never come back. So the choice is ours to either stand in the way of inevitable change, or to ontinue doing what we do and listening what we want to, and giving the art the space it need to do what it was always meant to do....change.
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@ IQ i agree with you fully
@ Black-Child, I did "We Came to Party" and some joint on the sprite ventilation mixtape of Siqours.
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Does anyone have anymore DA Les songs? It seems silly going 9pages deap in a thread, and we havent really spoken about the artist or his music?
Can someone shed light on his abilities? Lyrically, is he killing it? Flow wise? Is his album out?
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Lil Wayne is bringin dem LYRICAL SHITS!
FAIL
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We have have numerous debates on what hip hop is, or what it is supposed to be, or where it is going to be. But no one has actually been able to answer those questions. I think we can all agree that NO ONE can define what hip hop is.
So if that is the case, why are there people constantly complaining about what others are doing in the game?
Isnt hip hop what you make it? Like Nyambz said, isnt it just an extension of what was done in history with the relevance of todays society? (however relevant or insignificant the content may be?)
Why cant people accept the art for what it is now, without necessarilly having to listen to it or buy it?
I for one never really bouht into the new era of the music, and during the whole period that people were shouting hip hop was dead from the rooftops i still managed to find music of quality to listen to and enjoy for what it is. Dont believe me?? The UGHH 2008 thread is a great place to start.
If the art itself cannot be defined who ae we to say what is wrong or right with regards towhat it is supposed to be. The issue of origionality is worthless too. But that has been discussed in previous posts. Personally, i just see it all boiling down to hate on the part of the so called real heads. Which just happens to be the category i fall under.
Dudes just cant stand seeing people putting in work and being recognised for it. It really does not matter whether their content is relevant or not. Becasue i think we can all agree that our beloved golden era of hip hop is gone, and will never come back. So the choice is ours to either stand in the way of inevitable change, or to ontinue doing what we do and listening what we want to, and giving the art the space it need to do what it was always meant to do....change.
And with that, I think we can close this thread.
Let's all agree to disagree. ****cue Lionel Richie's Ballerina girl here, while we all dance on our tippy toes knowing that hip hop means different things to different people****
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@ IQ i agree with you fully
@ Black-Child, I did "We Came to Party" and some joint on the sprite ventilation mixtape of Siqours.
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Does anyone have anymore DA Les songs? It seems silly going 9pages deap in a thread, and we havent really spoken about the artist or his music?
Can someone shed light on his abilities? Lyrically, is he killing it? Flow wise? Is his album out?
shit homie!!!!!! i f***in dig that track - i Literally heard that track went home and tried to do one like it. i always wondered who did it, never tried to find out though. good track mayne
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Lil Wayne is bringin dem LYRICAL SHITS!
FAIL
BEATLEJUICE, BEATLEJUICE, BEATLEJUICE
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@ Black Child - Thank you. But in fairness the engineer at Elektro Mode, is responsible for it, he really mixed it well and added all sorts of wonderfull layers to it. Props go out to him.
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The whole originality debate is interesting and funny to me coz it reminds me of the what many SA hip hop heads in the 90s had to contend with. i.e. being called fake, unoriginal, etc for liking hip hop or being influenced by US artists, etc. Now, the roles have turned. heads are calling other heads facek -their gear, music, etc. It's so ironic. That's why I'm not very judgemental when it comes to what other people choose to follow or do. I dont really understand them. Just like those people who called us clones / lost, etc and thought we were just blindly following what's on TV / radio did not really understand what we were about.
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yeah man i picked up that u listen to a lot of music and i know as a producer u got that EAR! no doubt about that. but i jus feel like uve developed a selective ear to everything uv heard up until now!
thats why ur not tryin to listen to the new shit like dat.
the thing is, in each era the new era came so gradually that it wasnt like a heavy impact! with the new shit! it jus came outta no where,there was a heavy impact! as it was so sudden!
but for me tho, i didnt see it that way! i watched it grow! i been followin the south since outkast,goodie mob,field mob, 3 six mafia, UGK, cash money,master p, mystikal(all from the nineties when we still had BET, and before we had BET)when snoop moved to the south,when jay started doin traks with southern cats,when outkast dropped Bombs Over Bagdhad. i was like,hmmmmm,shits changing direction....then No limit came,then Cash Money...then i was like JA, its started!
U cats are like WHOA! CRUNK HAS TAKEN OVER! to me Crunk already fizzled away and Snap music is fading out now, and were going into a more FAST POP oriented HIPHOP ryt now.
if u really listen ryt now,we aint even hearin too much crunk no more! Timbaland set the new pace with Shock Value!!!! thats where were at now!
ps. i listen to a whole lotta shit too man! but yo, im lovin all the new shit comin out and for me this is the most exciting phase of hiphop ive been fortunate enough to live through! theres way more freedom now as a producer and rapper! im singin more! adding more melodies and bridges in my beats! im usin more patterns! we dressin flyer than EVER!
I love this shit ryt now!!!!
This a good convo fellas, lets keep upp the positive interaction on AG(minus the PYRO and Rob One comments.lol. jokes).its about the fact that hiphop is undefinable! its forever changing, and thru such discussions, we can try to guage where hiphop and we ARE ryt now!!!!
well said IQ!
Its a love/hate relationship!
Its a beautiful thing!!!! NO HOMO.
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Quick sum1 give cash hes own radio show... this boy got alot to say
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D,i cud say exactly the same for the heads(they deserve better from the UG cats) cos all the underground cats is copycats of canibus,the roots,company flow,wu tang,killarmy,and the producers is clones of premeir,hi-tek,jay d, and pete rock. etc.
the look is that old look,that grimey utility look,the military look,the regular guy look and the BROKE RAPPER LOOK. but i guess its only a issue when its commercial hey D?
the only difference is that the UG cats follow old trends and the young niggas is followin current trends.
U cats may fool the kids n say yall original! but for us who have seen hiphop thru all the stages, we can still see that the dudes u co-signin is also followin trends, just not current ones!
theres not a single hiphop artist in the world who can say they original and do not follow a certain trend.f*** outta here!
even Pharell will tell you, he follows Timbalands lead! and he also looks at whats hot ryt now!
when the south took over,guess what, he started bangin out the filtered 808's!
when Kanye came out, Pharell started doin more sample based production(look at Snoops album that he did)
And Timbo will tell u, he followin the trends in the POP market now!
and he will also tell u that he copied a lot of what Michael Jacksons production sounded like. and the use of vocals in the beat!
And Michael Jackson will tell u he mimiced James Brown.etc.
f*** outta here with that originality shit!
music is a forever growing space, we jus enter and add on. nobody comes in and just re-defines music. its a learning space, and to learn everybody mimics and copies, and repeats what was done before!
and yes, jus cos u spit in vernac, u still a clone of some US rappers!!!! u jus hide it more! lol. a lot of vernac cats are on REDMANS NUTS! stealin that flow but think we dont notice jus cos its a diff language! lol
Yeah,,, everyone has influences. When I hear LES I don't hear influences, i hear a carbon copy. There's a big difference.
I would never co-sign a UG artist that is a carbon copy either because originality is important to me in any genre.
In life you get leaders and followers. Sadly in SA we're still impressed by cats that can do good impressions of overseas artists - these dudes should be doing karaoke, but we let them 'ball outta control' as though they are something worth talking about.
I feel bad picking on LES (not that he would give a f*** what I think), but we're on here to discuss such matters. It's not hate, and as I repeatedly say, I wish all artists good luck with their careers. However, I still have an opinion.
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Les driving his moms whip is really sad! my question is where is the money from all the hype from Jozi? anyway as for Tippytoes! ahhhhhh i dont know i do think its far to say he commercial and youth like but dont expect me to sit back and just let him do his thing!
Honestly that stuff is urban pop! thats all it is! And i wouldnt be suprised if people start taking shots at da L.E.S.................
And what all this hype around crazy lu? my goodies he cant rap to save his life and everyone acting like he saved hip-hop?
@Cash I heard about the show and even got on the guestlist but dude I would never trade MY DIGNITY to be at that launch! Seriously now!
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And what all this hype around crazy lu? my goodies he cant rap to save his life and everyone acting like he saved hip-hop?
@Cash I heard about the show and even got on the guestlist but dude I would never trade MY DIGNITY to be at that launch! Seriously now!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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@Cash I heard about the show and even got on the guestlist but dude I would never trade MY DIGNITY to be at that launch! Seriously now!
Guess we shouldnt support our local acts nemore, no wonder SA hip hop aint growing... to much hating a** bitches
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@Cash I heard about the show and even got on the guestlist but dude I would never trade MY DIGNITY to be at that launch! Seriously now!
Guess we shouldnt support our local acts nemore, no wonder SA hip hop aint growing... to much hating a** bitches
NO POINT IN SUPPORTING SOMETHING THAT IS SUBSTANDARD JUST BECAUSE IT IS LOCAL.
Actually you should make a point of boycotting these kind of things to send a message that we're not gonna be fooled and we won't buy it. That forces people to step their game up.
Imagine if we all supported that Caz dude when he dropped his album a few years ago, simply because his music was local. that would have given rise to a whole lot of other idiots thinking they can get away with that kind of rubbish.
Would you go buy Bozza's cd or pay to get into his album launch?
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NO POINT IN SUPPORTING SOMETHING THAT IS SUBSTANDARD JUST BECAUSE IT IS LOCAL.
Actually you should make a point of boycotting these kind of things to send a message that we're not gonna be fooled and we won't buy it. That forces people to step their game up.
Imagine if we all supported that Caz dude when he dropped his album a few years ago, simply because his music was local. that would have given rise to a whole lot of other idiots thinking they can get away with that kind of rubbish.
Would you go buy Bozza's cd or pay to get into his album launch?
but what if u had to drop an album that u liked and felt that u did ur best and there is a market for it. Would u appreciate another cat talking down on u just coz it aint hes cup of tea? the current market will neva grow coz no one is buying... and it has nothing to do with the content but with the mindset of our consumers. If we support our local guys (even if they wack or not) that will allow the market to grow, which means a bigger platform for more people to come out and eventually we will have more cats doing what u prefer....
Dont just think of it one sided, we all want good music... but we will never be able to agree on what is good music
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but what if u had to drop an album that u liked and felt that u did ur best and there is a market for it. Would u appreciate another cat talking down on u just coz it aint hes cup of tea? the current market will neva grow coz no one is buying... and it has nothing to do with the content but with the mindset of our consumers. If we support our local guys (even if they wack or not) that will allow the market to grow, which means a bigger platform for more people to come out and eventually we will have more cats doing what u prefer....
Dont just think of it one sided, we all want good music... but we will never be able to agree on what is good music
....What happend to the thread bout the dumbest shit ever said??
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@pyro n ruthles both of yal r ryt in a way. We dnt hav 2 suport local stuf jst because its local. If its wak, its wak. I 4 1 wl neva go 2 a bozza cd launch. I thnk dat dude is wak byond measurez....bt on da otha hand ruthles is ryt because wats wak 2 u isnt necesarily wak 2 me. I am in love wt da whole motswako movement n hav noticed AG ppl rnt realy in2 it. Bt i suport it n buy it because its wat i love n blv in. So i gues @ da end of da day ppl shud jst stand up 4 wat they blv in or prefer. Lyk cash ppl r always on hz case abt hs typ of hp hop bt hez always hre standn up 4 it. I gues we al hav dfrent views on wat gud music is. @ da end of da day ppl r dfrent. I dnt lyk UG hp hop bt i wnt say its nt gud music. Acordn 2 pyro n al otha UG ppl its gud. So i cnt go n h8 on dat da only thng i shud b doin is suport my kinda hp hop.
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Les driving his moms whip is really sad! my question is where is the money from all the hype from Jozi? anyway as for Tippytoes! ahhhhhh i dont know i do think its far to say he commercial and youth like but dont expect me to sit back and just let him do his thing!
Honestly that stuff is urban pop! thats all it is! And i wouldnt be suprised if people start taking shots at da L.E.S.................
And what all this hype around crazy lu? my goodies he cant rap to save his life and everyone acting like he saved hip-hop?
@Cash I heard about the show and even got on the guestlist but dude I would never trade MY DIGNITY to be at that launch! Seriously now!
lol, thats his market, not enough ppl where catering to them so he had to do it, find a gap in the market. I've noticed lots of kids are willing to pay to go out and have a good time, integrating that with shows is another avenue for income.
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I dont get it.. why dont the crackboys diss Jozi if they want steping stones.. not tumi or zubz..tumi or zubz dont equal you kids or either on your tip..look at it this way..Jozi are on your tip and if you diss them maybe you will get where you guys wanna be..on the high skul girls tongues.. ..i think it will be a good idea to diss Les not tumi ...instead the crakboys are Jozi gruppies
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Da L.E.S is in the league of Dr Khumalo, Bob mabena, chinny, Soulja boy, JD, Bow Wow, Mimz these are all one hit wonder artists!
I dont hate LES I just think he is urban pop and not hip-hop! An artist does music with the intention of growth my f*** word what growth do you expect to have from Tippy toes?
Take for example Optical ill! or Zubz! those albums you listen to over and over and over again because its quality, Once radio stops playing Tispy hoes then thats it we move onto the next gimmic!
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@xplicit do u hav sum sorta beef wt l.e.s? Because it sho soundz lyk it. Dam!
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I dont get it.. why dont the crackboys diss Jozi if they want steping stones.. not tumi or zubz..tumi or zubz dont equal you kids or either on your tip..look at it this way..Jozi are on your tip and if you diss them maybe you will get where you guys wanna be..on the high skul girls tongues.. ..i think it will be a good idea to diss Les not tumi ...instead the crakboys are Jozi gruppies
;D ;D ;D ;D
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I dont get it.. why dont the crackboys diss Jozi if they want steping stones.. not tumi or zubz..tumi or zubz dont equal you kids or either on your tip..look at it this way..Jozi are on your tip and if you diss them maybe you will get where you guys wanna be..on the high skul girls tongues.. ..i think it will be a good idea to diss Les not tumi ...instead the crakboys are Jozi gruppies
lol, we have our market on lock, plus Les wants us to do the tippy toes remix that way we can get some jozi/les fans and he can get our fans.
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... what growth do you expect to have from Tippy toes?
Maybe its hes way of starting from the bottom...now we can expect something abt ankles, knees and so on in the future ;D
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@Capital B
No dude why would i have beef with..............DA L.E.S?............. he doing his thing im doing mine! I believe being honest is the best way to go! sometimes someone needs to see it from the sideline to get the faults
@Bondizzo! Who on the remix? lol
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... what growth do you expect to have from Tippy toes?
Maybe its hes way of starting from the bottom...now we can expect something abt ankles, knees and so on in the future ;D
I just laughed so loud....People must wonder what I'm doing.
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@muse raw lmao!...yeah 4 sho hez on dat head shouldas kneez n toez tip! ...duz l.e.s. Knw abt AG? Hope he duznt. 4 hs sake.... duz any1 knw hw i cn gt dat gendr syn? I thnk i need 2 put it up because ppl r busy thnkn im a man. So help any1?... anyway bk 2 da topic @ hand. Da l.e.s wats les=succes suposd 2 mean anyway?
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... what growth do you expect to have from Tippy toes?
Maybe its hes way of starting from the bottom...now we can expect something abt ankles, knees and so on in the future ;D
I just laughed so loud....People must wonder what I'm doing.
LMFAO Pyro i just had one of those outbursts too! you dudes is crazy! hahahahahaahahahahaqhahahahahah ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D i have got tears in my eyes!
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N lyk a month or 2 ago i saw l.e.s in my hud in dat hott bmw n i was lyk daam! Muthaland crunk pays! Only 2 fnd out its hz mumz car. Shame....ohwel
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N lyk a month or 2 ago i saw l.e.s in my hud in dat hott bmw n i was lyk daam! Muthaland crunk pays! Only 2 fnd out its hz mumz car. Shame....ohwel
LOl
But lets see maybe Tippy Toes will get him that BMW he always wanted!
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duz any1 knw hw i cn gt dat gendr syn? I thnk i need 2 put it up because ppl r busy thnkn im a man.
Just post a pic of yourself clearly showing that you're a woman. Getting that thing is really complicated and requires extensive programming knowledge.
and start typing in English. Your posts are extremely hard to understand.
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@xplicit yeah i realy fl bad 4 hm n wt da intrest rates so hy evn if he duz gt da car he wl stl need 2 borow muny frm hs mum 4 petrol. bt i jst hope he cn @least buy a car, any car plus he got da shz niz thng goin on hopefuly dats payn hm wel.
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duz any1 knw hw i cn gt dat gendr syn? I thnk i need 2 put it up because ppl r busy thnkn im a man.
Just post a pic of yourself clearly showing that you're a woman. Getting that thing is really complicated and requires extensive programming knowledge.
and start typing in English. Your posts are extremely hard to understand.
Sies pyro, u just found out she a chick and now u wanna know how she looks so u can get ur mack on :D
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@ pyro. Hey! I do typ in englsh. Bt hws dat gon confirm my gendr?
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@ pyro. Hey! I do typ in englsh. Bt hws dat gon confirm my gendr?
LOL !!! ;D
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K got n idea. Il jst change my name 2 capital B is female
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@ pyro. Hey! I do typ in englsh. Bt hws dat gon confirm my gendr?
okay...imma push my own abbreviation agenda over here...
LOL. ROFLMAO.WOOF.WOOF.nc.nc.nc.LAWL.KLOAN.AZT. DSTV.MTN. nigga
"typ in english = gendr"...u got me in stiches...LOL.SAB.SABC.LMAO.ROLWFB
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duz any1 knw hw i cn gt dat gendr syn? I thnk i need 2 put it up because ppl r busy thnkn im a man.
Just post a pic of yourself clearly showing that you're a woman. Getting that thing is really complicated and requires extensive programming knowledge.
and start typing in English. Your posts are extremely hard to understand.
Sies pyro, u just found out she a chick and now u wanna know how she looks so u can get ur mack on :D
LOL!
dude she is typing from her celly it appears
but 1 day AGians should dedicate a day to putting pics up of themselves
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@capital!
Honestly I saw L.E.S Driving a 1996 model mazda 626 sedan! he nearly drove into me after skipping a robot! but thats all in the past wonder if he still owns that car?
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Last time i checked(7months ago)he was driving one of dem old school cla**ic benz.
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Haow? Kanti wats wrong wt 'gendr'? Its stl englsh. Its stl undastandabl. Do i hav 2 typ evrythn out in ful lyk im wrytn n xam? Anyway, it try typ in proper english.
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D Planet.
Please substantiate WHO LES is a carbon copy of!?
Wud u say Proverb is a carbon copy of Canibus,and Reason a carbon copy of a carbon copy of Canibus? LOL. or is that just like u say "influences".
All im sayin is that theres no distinction, we all have influences and thats exactly what LES has! influences!
I dont think LES is a carbon copy of any US artist that you can name right now! ur talkin out the side of yo neck! jus cos u aint into his music, u cant jus now cum up with ya own unprovable facts! and expect peeps to accept that.
Jus say "u dont like LES music" , that can be acceptable as an OPINION!
Sayin LES is a "Carbon Copy"
thats a statement! not an opinion!
theres a difference.
with a statement(or accusation) u must back it up with facts!
with ur opinion, ur entitled to it, so u dont have to substantiate!
here are some facts
- 1000's of people pitched to see LES at his album launch!
- LES can rap!
- Dude is FRESH
- Dude is an entrepreneur
- Dude has a ma**ive teen fanbase!
- Dude not only raps, but is also a TV presenter
- LES's performances are electric!(i dont think any of us can match a JOZI or LES performance ryt now)
- Tippy Toes is a fun track with a cool dance!(its not meant to be a lyrical masterpiece)
and yo i dont have the lyrics! im still tryin to find the album,think i'll try musica here in sandton later today! ;D i'll mos def cop it!
and lastly D planet! ur quick to point out the "influences" in LES, but ur artsts also have HEAVY influences(and again, i stress, its a good thing and i got nothin but love for cats doin that cos music is a learning experience, u gotta take from what others are doin and have done before to create sumthin new), but we see beyond that cos we actually give them a listen and appreciate their individuality! Try doin the same with LES! buy the album,listen to it! Peace man!
Jus try it!
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Anyway, it try typ in proper english.
WOW !!! Your English is like Amazing hey. lol !!!
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@ MRc lol! Eish i meant il try typing in proper english!
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@ MRc lol! Eish i meant il try typing in proper english!
now your loosing it. can someone please translate ? ;D
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@mr c Agh. Nevamind anyway english is not my motha tongue. N ths thread is abt l.e.s. Not my bad english.
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@mr c Agh. Nevamind anyway english is not my motha tongue. N ths thread is abt l.e.s. Not my bad english.
Being about the tippy toe song, this thread can be construed to be about laughing our a**es off, so your English will be our next target, while we take a break from the silliness which is Da LES
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Nevamind anyway english is not my motha tongue.
Me too hey. I think it's my Father tongue. ;D
Just kidding sweetie.Harmless fun.
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Lol! Pyro ur so mean.
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I dont get it.. why dont the crackboys diss Jozi if they want steping stones.. not tumi or zubz..tumi or zubz dont equal you kids or either on your tip..look at it this way..Jozi are on your tip and if you diss them maybe you will get where you guys wanna be..on the high skul girls tongues.. ..i think it will be a good idea to diss Les not tumi ...instead the crakboys are Jozi gruppies
Sorry dawg but Crackboys aint Jozi groupies, my boy designed Les album cover, and Les drops by my cousins place 2 get congolese music 4 Bongz to sample.
@ explicit its good that you loyal dawg, Les aint your type of shit and thats understanble. And Ex Bow Wow aint no 1 hit Wonder dawg, he is still here, he got multiple hits.
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;D Bow Wow is a HIT FACTORY mayn! ;D
def no one hit wonder!
dude took his mom out the hood, the only thing most cats take out fo they mom, is the trash in the morning! lol
weve spoken bout Bow Weezy b4 man! his track record is close to legendary!
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the only thing most cats take out fo they mom, is the trash in the morning! lol
OMG! im ROLMAO!!!
my boss just gave me the evil eye cause of this!woooh!
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Nothing wrong with dance tracks, but how about doing one that isn't jacked straight from the US? Why Tippy Toes? Why not something original that hasn't been done before?
Making a pop song is not easy, that's for sure, but too many artists get free pa**es in SA because we have don't have strong critical media. Too many journalists just regurgitate record company press releases or simply don't have the depth of knowledge to know bad from good, fake from real, clone from original.
US artists, their fans, journalists and bloggers aren't gonna call us out for biting their shit because they don't give a f*** what happens out in SA. We're being big fish in tiny ponds.
Les is a natural entertainer and has some talent, but that is entry level shit. All top international artists have flipped shit in their own way, or changed the game in some way. Les is just leading the way in proving that all we have to offer in SA are clones of already existing international formulas.
That shit might fool a few thousand SA teenagers who don't know any better (hence my comment about selling the kids short), but that doesn't make it good in any sense of the word.
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I think this L.E.S thread is starting to bore,we all voiced our opinions on it.how about
we just give it up @ once lovely AGIANS.
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@D, substantiate. by that i dont mean use big words ;)
just subsantiate with facts,proof, otherwise, we respect yo opinion and its cool.
did LES n Jozi not flip it in their own way with dat Motherland Crunk!? i dont think that had been done b4!
but yo,lets jus let it go.case closed.
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Sup lil Boo welcome to AfricasHateway, I agree with you
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@Toaster
Honestly that L.E.S music is garbage! I respect the dude as a hustler and what not but his music is honestly like Wow :-\
Funny thing is I was hanging with Mr Beef and Beats against the beast the other day and I just happen to comment on a track
Wizadry-Pen for Sword
Now this cd came out like what 2 years ago yet this track feels like it was recorded yesterday!
My point is most of us strive to make cla**ic's that will stand for a long time! that shit he makes will in a year or too end up on the fresh drive on "Cheese of the Day" im serious now!
@Toaster I heard your new track and honestly dude you have way more potential than bubble gum rap! Dude I heard you spit heat but the recent stuff is just............. ???I dont know! :-\
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Haha Thanx Ex, wat new track are you tokin bout?
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heard that Fire track from LES and i was actually suprised, it was far better then the tippy toes... but i laughed my a** when they said it was bongz on the hook lmao
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Yeah. French toast can spit. Realtalk. Him and that nigga Koli. If yall wanna make real music and real money yall need to re-evaluate who yall roll with.
Come sign with me at REHAB INC, We got that cure for all yall cold turkey ma'fukkiz.
I got some hot young acts signed on there right now.Fresh New producers on the come up. These niggaz can bang out beats on a kitchen table that would body any of the beats yall currently spitting on right now! So...do the right thing. Yall prolly tired of scratching and shit. PM me for further details.
Look out for the upcoming mixtape, "Broke as f*ck, but still sober" coming out end of August. Hoping to get a collabo with the 25toLyf niggaz on this one. Peep Hot trax for more info.
Holler!!!
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Eish yeah Fire is too Crazy, then there is My Swagger, and Candystore, this album is just full of hits, @ Ex I dont remember doin any bubblegum track
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heard that Fire track from LES and i was actually suprised, it was far better then the tippy toes... but i laughed my a** when they said it was bongz on the hook lmao
Co-Sign.I aint no hater,Tippy-Toes is wack and all, but the Joint with Maggz is straight up FIRE !!! Give props where they are due.
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Look what they currently doing is okay and so so! I respect what cash does and it fits his style.
The track i heard you on is.....................
Pants saggin? ??? Dude I loved the beat! and once again Im going to question the credability of Kewpid if he is the future then please crusify me. Dude flossing but not making sense! honestly :-\ I listened to the track like 3 times and he spits like 6 bars and then thats it! "Flow so hot you get a backhand? ??? ??? am i missing something?
and that dude SoFresh is another dude i would question! to me he sounds like he is struggling to rap :-\ or trying too hard to floss.
I dont know! I really Enjoyed the track Ni---- Please it was honestly hot cash delievered it! koli was on point and K9 held it down but this pants saggin is disappointing.
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heard that Fire track from LES and i was actually suprised, it was far better then the tippy toes... but i laughed my a** when they said it was bongz on the hook lmao
Co-Sign.I aint no hater,Tippy-Toes is wack and all, but the Joint with Maggz is straight up FIRE !!! Give props where they are due.
Co-sign on the We on fire track....big ups to bongz on the production......
What i neva really got was whether the whole tippy toes track is wack or its just LES who's wack and de beat is dope....
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damn if the ringtones market was as big as in the States that Fire track wud make a killing !!!M.A.Double whaaat !shit is on the same level as Weezy's lollipop n Usher's love in the club
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wat eva man... i aint here ta b defendin da LES.. say wateva u wana say but da dude is doin it for himself..neway thnks toaster im still gettin a hang of dis shit!!!
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Look what they currently doing is okay and so so! I respect what cash does and it fits his style.
The track i heard you on is.....................
Pants saggin? ??? Dude I loved the beat! and once again Im going to question the credability of Kewpid if he is the future then please crusify me. Dude flossing but not making sense! honestly :-\ I listened to the track like 3 times and he spits like 6 bars and then thats it! "Flow so hot you get a backhand? ??? ??? am i missing something?
and that dude SoFresh is another dude i would question! to me he sounds like he is struggling to rap :-\ or trying too hard to floss.
I dont know! I really Enjoyed the track Ni---- Please it was honestly hot cash delievered it! koli was on point and K9 held it down but this pants saggin is disappointing.
lol Ex
Heres the Verse
Kewpid
Pants Sagging, But I get that
No Problem , they want me to Wife them
You know Kewpid leaves them, wishing they Husband
You know whats on my mind, the crack gram
When I'm on the grind, in the crack land
Flows so hot, you receiving a backhand
Ladies on Lock, Haters start to Expand
thats what it is lol
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heard that Fire track from LES
Beats and chorus are bananas...international standard...this can bang anywhere..The raps were adequate but still the beat and hook make this joint...HEAT!!!
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:o ???
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lol Ex
Heres the Verse
Kewpid
Pants Sagging, But I get that
No Problem , they want me to Wife them
You know Kewpid leaves them, wishing they Husband
You know whats on my mind, the crack gram
When I'm on the grind, in the crack land
Flows so hot, you receiving a backhand
Ladies on Lock, Haters start to Expand
thats what it is lol
Wackness shall prevail...says the Lord
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Look what they currently doing is okay and so so! I respect what cash does and it fits his style.
The track i heard you on is.....................
Pants saggin? ??? Dude I loved the beat! and once again Im going to question the credability of Kewpid if he is the future then please crusify me. Dude flossing but not making sense! honestly :-\ I listened to the track like 3 times and he spits like 6 bars and then thats it! "Flow so hot you get a backhand? ??? ??? am i missing something?
and that dude SoFresh is another dude i would question! to me he sounds like he is struggling to rap :-\ or trying too hard to floss.
I dont know! I really Enjoyed the track Ni---- Please it was honestly hot cash delievered it! koli was on point and K9 held it down but this pants saggin is disappointing.
lol Ex
Heres the Verse
Kewpid
Pants Sagging, But I get that
No Problem , they want me to Wife them
You know Kewpid leaves them, wishing they Husband
You know whats on my mind, the crack gram
When I'm on the grind, in the crack land
Flows so hot, you receiving a backhand
Ladies on Lock, Haters start to Expand
thats what it is lol
ROFLMAO!!!!!
hottest sh*t out now! we taking over! fall back! blah blah blah..
crackboys kill me...
Thanx Bondizzo...u made my day nucca! lol!
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lol Ex
Heres the Verse
Kewpid
Pants Sagging, But I get that
No Problem , they want me to Wife them
You know Kewpid leaves them, wishing they Husband
You know whats on my mind, the crack gram
When I'm on the grind, in the crack land
Flows so hot, you receiving a backhand
Ladies on Lock, Haters start to Expand
thats what it is lol
Wackness shall prevail...says the Lord
lol u cracked me up.... gud 1!!!! oh my f***!!! wat is dat???????
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lol, thats what the kids are feeling lol. Music is just music ppl, you cant define art being right or wrong.
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Art? Did you just call that art? :o :o :o
You mean I've been wasting my entire life, trying to perfect my writing dancing and painting. Going to art school for three years and such, when I could have just mumbled some garbage and have gotten recognition as an artist.
I don;t think so... >:(
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lol, thats what the kids are feeling lol. Music is just music ppl, you cant define art being right or wrong.
oh my f*** even i can do better lol!!!!!! :D
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you cant define art being right or wrong.
Go and say that to DPlanet. He would probably pistol whip you in front of your parents.
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Art? Did you just call that art? :o :o :o
You mean I've been wasting my entire life, trying to perfect my writing dancing and painting. Going to art school for three years and such, when I could have just mumbled some garbage and have gotten recognition as an artist.
I don;t think so... >:(
:D :D :DOne day this man will be as funny as me
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you cant define art being right or wrong.
Go and say that to DPlanet. He would probably pistol whip you in front of your parents.
hahahahaha !!!
That verse was horrible.Cash pls stop lying to this child, telling him he's the truth and what not..As his big brother, you need to sit him down,look into his face, and tell him "YOUNGIN,U NEED TO PUSH HARDER.TAP INTO THOSE DORMANT BRAIN CELLS,THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING LURKING THERE". Or maybe between YOU,KOLI and K9, ya'll can take turns writing for the little guy.
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I seriously do not get dat kewpid verse! N im not stupid. Wer is dat dumbest lyrics thread?...@cash. Im sory but ur boy is not da future. Or r u just callin hm da future because he is a babe magnet n u guys r al abt da honeys theze days?
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you cant define art being right or wrong.
Go and say that to DPlanet. He would probably pistol whip you in front of your parents.
hahahahaha !!!
That verse was horrible.Cash pls stop lying to this child, telling him he's the truth and what not..As his big brother, you need to sit him down,look into his face, and tell him "YOUNGIN,U NEED TO PUSH HARDER.TAP INTO THOSE DORMANT BRAIN CELLS,THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING LURKING THERE". Or maybe between YOU,KOLI and K9, ya'll can take turns writing for the little guy.
He should sit him down and tell him:
"Look here young man. You honestly have no talent whatsoever and I think it is better if you give up on your dream and get a real job. you'll never make it as an emcee, because it is impossible for anyone in this world with an IQ higher than that of cowdung to take you seriously."
Really. People should stop lying to their children and telling them that they can be whatever they want. That is just not true. We can’t all be whatever we want, because genetics play a huge role in certain things.
That’s why you see f***ers going on Idols to make fools of themselves. Cos of their parents who tell them they sound just like Michael Bolton or whoever.
That’s why there are so many bums on the street. They chased dreams too.
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The evolution of this thread......
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I seriously do not get dat kewpid verse! N im not stupid. Wer is dat dumbest lyrics thread?...@cash. Im sory but ur boy is not da future. Or r u just callin hm da future because he is a babe magnet n u guys r al abt da honeys theze days?
lol its all relative. lol, so who do you guys reckon is the future(locally), in a time frame of 1-3 years from now. Give me your top 5 list
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Dont b 2 hard on kewpid ppl. Mayb he can rap but cant write. I havent heard him before....but on da otha hand. How can any1 in their rite mind allow such a verse 2 b recorded?! Hah! Mayb sum1 shud write 4 him. Or mayb he shud jst go 2 school. Doez he go 2 school? Because dat verse....hai anyway.
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Damn...With an IQ no higher than cow dung, maybe he should change his name to Skewpid??
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@bondizo. Any1 bt kewpid. Even me n im not a rapper. But neva kewpid. Unless he goez 2 rap school.
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if the 'art of emceeing' is about originality, wordplay, story-telling, concept, metaphor, rhyme structure, depth, narrative, flipping slang and pure style, then kewpid scores pretty low in all of those categories.
however, the crack boys are not about that art, they are making fun pop music for the kids. pop music is about catchy hooks, catchy beats, swagger and fashion (and there's nothing wrong with that!)
kewpid is in the mould of fabolous or lil wayne, but when you consider the sheer force of personality those two artists have, kewpid has a very long way to go. to me kewpid still looks like a kid doing karaoke in his bedroom mirror.
da l.e.s' album sales will show whether or not there is big market in SA for an american pop music made by south africans. if there is, then the crack boys might have a decent career ahead of them.
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LOl
@Bondizzo!
look! i personally think that kewpid verse is garbage! With all respect to the crack and its artists! Cash-can write and he throws cunning punches! Koli- Dude is sick with it plain and simple! K-9-He got those punches you know are hard! Jamal? ??? he can...... he can........ he can.......... f***it he also questionable in the click! So fresh! well he a dope producer! lets keep to producing
I think with lines like that! that dude just plain sucks! Kewpid need to practice more until he writes good shit! he not the future now! maybe when I have kids and they decide to rap he might he the future but not now!
Top 5 for the next 1-3 years
1.Explicit
2.Reason
3.Kwesta
4.Monopoly(If we get the same as "Get it crackin")
5.Episode
6.The Fediration (Sorry bout spellin MR C)
Now Im not big headed and what not! but i did this list from plain hustling and getting serious with rap! I am now working with Butan wear so expect great things, Im still on 5fm with DJ Fresh , Im in the top10 of loadtheshow.com and have been for the past 2 weeks.
Just cause Tbo-touch doesnt play me means I have fallin off! Take my list for example, I think only 2 artists have been on his shows top10!
I dont make music for the hype of the moment I make music that should last a decade or longer! I promise you now! let me record a track with MR C and drop it 2 years from now! and people would thing we did it the nite before? Why? cause its quality hip-hop! Im still pumpin Chronic 2001 and that album is 8 years old!
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Any list without Ben Sharpa in #1 spot is just plain crazy.
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Any list without Ben Sharpa in #1 spot is just plain crazy.
@D_pleezy!
Any list without Ben sharpa No1? aaaaaaahhhhh well I would kinda agree but we havent heard much from Mr Sharpa to justify why he should be number 1 although I will admit he should be in the top10 but not number 1 ! im sorry D_pleezy hater me but on my reply I am always going to be number 1 ;D ;D ;D
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The future
1 Crackboys
2 Infinite Lyricist
3 Da LES
4 Tru
5 Glitterati
Cant think of others nw
@ Ex I respect your hustle, bt I guess we got different views, I really dont strive to make a cla**ic, and cla**ic is different in everybobys eyes. And I personally dont think that an album filled with punchlines is cla**ic material, coz once uve heard a punchline once its gone and it wont hit you again. Like i bumped 16 Bar ma**acre 4 a week and got tired of it.
And its sad the image that people have of Crackboys, my mixtape is cumin in August yall r gonna c.
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Any list without Ben Sharpa in #1 spot is just plain crazy.
@D_pleezy!
Any list without Ben sharpa No1? aaaaaaahhhhh well I would kinda agree but we havent heard much from Mr Sharpa to justify why he should be number 1 although I will admit he should be in the top10 but not number 1 ! im sorry D_pleezy hater me but on my reply I am always going to be number 1 ;D ;D ;D
hahaha,,, fair enough my man ;D ;D ;D
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The future
1 Crackboys
2 Infinite Lyricist
3 Da LES
4 Tru
5 Glitterati
Cant think of others nw
Well not to be blowing my own horn but here is the future:
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj167/irvingruthless/DiaryofLegends.jpg)
RUTHLESS
ICEMAN
DEEPHOLIC
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And its sad the image that people have of Crackboys
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Thats a f***in sick cover homez
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Back to the topic, LES is the man, he managed to achieve in 2 years what others havent done in 10 years, there isnt a day that goes by where I dont see at least 5 people with a AMAKIPKIP t-shirt. Hes got the flyest chick in the game wearing his chain so ya. 2 me it aint bout making a cla**ic and coz im a CRACKBOY ive already bin labeled
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Thats a f***in sick cover homez
Thanx bro... 8)
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Back to the topic, LES is the man, he managed to achieve in 2 years what others havent done in 10 years, there isnt a day that goes by where I dont see at least 5 people with a AMAKIPKIP t-shirt. Hes got the flyest chick in the game wearing his chain so ya. 2 me it aint bout making a cla**ic and coz im a CRACKBOY ive already bin labeled
im wit u on dat 1 toaster....bt i dont know his gal4rnd... dis niggas shud start wakin up n smell da coffee... jst now hell b high as a g5 aroplain n there will b nothn they can do than do wat they doin now... hatin...
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the thread was about L.E.S musical abilities and below please find the answer
Back to the topic, LES is the man, he managed to achieve in 2 years what others havent done in 10 years, there isnt a day that goes by where I dont see at least 5 people with a AMAKIPKIP t-shirt. Hes got the flyest chick in the game wearing his chain so ya. 2 me it aint bout making a cla**ic and coz im a CRACKBOY ive already bin labeled
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Back to the topic, LES is the man, he managed to achieve in 2 years what others havent done in 10 years, there isnt a day that goes by where I dont see at least 5 people with a AMAKIPKIP t-shirt. Hes got the flyest chick in the game wearing his chain so ya. 2 me it aint bout making a cla**ic and coz im a CRACKBOY ive already bin labeled
it's a bit sad that the only thing you can think of for bigging him up for are his t-shirt range and his chick.
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yEAH, Wat D said...
Who is this fly chick? i bet i've had hotter.
amakipkip t-shirts are corny if you ask me. But then again, that's just me and I'm a hater who doesn't know how to follow the cool kid trends.
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Nope this thread is bout LES in general, wud yall get it in your THICK HEADS that in 2008 hip hop is mo than the music, Ppl dont buy music, and LES has managed to make himself a brand, and thats hip hop oh and the chick is Cherrie Flave
@ Dplanet nope i like his music too homez, too me he is dope and creative like the Candysore track he compares candy to his clothes i think thats fresh
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Ppl dont buy music
1,000,000 people bought Carter III in the first week it was released.
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Ppl dont buy music
1,000,000 people bought Carter III in the first week it was released.
apparently that isnt true, I read a million orders where placed, but anyways read this article taken from futureproducers.com from an executive at interscope
"SO if Ya Want Rage, I'mma Make FRONT Page" as said by the Great Kool Genius Rap and as proven by Lil Wayne after making degrading comments about the DJ, kissing his Mentor on the Lips, and remaining the loved tattooed bandit since DMX. I do not want to discredit Lil Wayne for his accomplishments. If you follow acts like Wayne, T-Pain, Chamillionnaire you would know those dudes as Young Black Men has worked HARD for their stardom and deserve all the over exposure they can get.
Tha Carter 3 did not "sell" ONE MILLION COPIES. ONE MILLION COPIES were ordered. Out of every 10 cd's 7 of them are considered "FREE GOODS" depending on the structure of Lil Waynes's contract with Universal and Cash Money and depending on Universal's deal with its distributors. Royalty Checks get paid out every nine months (See Ghostface Killa on "Rainy Days"-Only Built for Cuban Linx "Royalties they take too long, its like waiting on Babies). Lil Wayne may only see 12 to 15 cents a cd. If only 3 cds were sold out of the 10, Lil Wayne only took home 45 cents for every 3 cds sold, that's before taxes 20% to the manager, God only knows what Baby and Slim takes out of the check. That's why all the rappers take the good acting jobs, GUARANTEED MONEY.
Tha Carter 3 was more about Universal Records than it was about Lil Wayne. Universal is the Parent to Interscope and Def Jam, which housed 50 Cent, Kanye West, and Jay Z, respectively. Now, if Lil Wayne after 3 years of working, doing shows, doing features, and mastering his craft did not sell Platinum in his first week, SO MANY PEOPLE WOULD HAVE BEEN OUT OF A JOB. Unviersal has stepped to the plate with an artist outside of Akon that needs to do remarkable numbers or else. Cause as it stands Universal Republic the label keeping the lights on in the building with the quick Ringtone money. The profits received from ringtones pays out more than royalties from cd sales. When 50 lost his battle with Kanye, trust me there were scapegoats running out of 2220 Colorado Ave. & Cloverfield. If Lil Wayne sold less, it would have been the most public firing of Urban Departments that you would not believe. THANK YOU SALES DEPARTMENT FOR PUSHING THE BUTTON WITH BEST BUY, FYE, and Music World. Who knows what the markeing and sales deal with the major retailers negotiated. "Hey I'll give you nine copies of "Tha Carter 3" for free just pay me for 1 cd for every ten you sold, with 100 cd's per box. Hell Yeah the store gonna push that white or I mean that CD. You saw how much Tony caked after Sosa fronted him. Not since Tony Montana and Alejandro Sosa has a button been pressed to the fullest, to protect the office space in the Urban Deprtment. Since IMAGE is what's for sale and not talent and skill (see Lollipop remix feauring Kanye, damage has not been done since Eminem Murdered Jigga on he forever cla**ic "Renegade"), then the image of Wayne selling or schedule to sell a million rushes the duh duh hip hop head to the store, after Soccer Practice or watching TRL. Similar to when we were in elementary school and the drug dealer would have on the new Jordans and now EVERYONE in school had to have them so they can be considered cool. It happened with Jordans, the Trench Coat, the 2-finger ring, and now the Carter 3.
There you have it folks, Lil Wayne is YOUR KING OF HIP HOP. He's Number ONE on the MTV List, He should get Quotables every Month. Lets forget the cla**ic lines from Rakim "I take Seven MC's Put em in a Line" or "Its not Where Your From its Where You At" or Kane when he said "Play like Roy Rogers and Slooooow Down" or Treach on anything he said on "Wickedest Man Alive" and "Yoke the Joker", respectively. Lets forget Ice Cube's verse in Grand Finale or even Cappadonna's verse on Indy 500 "Cut you like a blunt and reconstruct your design. Cappadonna fell off cause he ain't said a verse hotter than his own verse on the Ghostface Killa featured cla**ic. Lets forget DOC said "High Energy Full with the Wisdom, sense of a rich man Knowledge and the Rhythm" on the Formula. Lets forget KRS One "See How it Sounds a little unrational, a lot of mc's like to use the word dramatical" or anything off of "You Must Learn". Lets forget the late GREAT Notorious BIG and all the clever stuff he said, ahh man. Lets continue to forget Masta Killa, Starange from OGC, Malik from Illegal, Opio from Souls of Mischief (his 2nd verse on 93 Til is STILL my favorite), Lets forget Kurupt from the DPG "Catostrophic, Mystic like Mistlepick, hitting emcees like this the deadliest lyricist". Lets forget all the clever stuff my label mate Marshall Mathers has said. Lets forget Redman's "Dare iz a Darkside" album. Let's forget LL's verse on "GoldDigger", K Solo' verse on "HeadBanger", the Late Hood's Verse on the Scenario Remix. Lets forget that Will Smith can still FREESTYLE!!!!!!! Lets forget Ice T "battery in your back" song for New Jack Hustla.
Before you say Lil Wayne is the best, Please pick up your book on All ABOUT THE MUSIC BUSINESS by Professor Pa**man. Also When you say Lil Wayne is the Best make sure you weren't listening to Hip Hop when Gangstarr said "He did it Just to Get a Rep". Make sure you changed your dial when you saw the Dogs barking in the How About Some Hardcore Video. Make Sure you weren't there for Outkast "Southernplayalistic" or for UGK. Make Sure You did not hear song like "I never Seen a Man Cry til I Seen a Man Die". Then I can understand and agree with you.
Please if you don't like what I'm saying forward this email (not Soundscan or Downloads) to someone you think can do something about it. What you gonna do not "play my records" hahhahahaha. It feels good to be an OUTLAW knowing that DJ gonna request the instrumental for my new Robin Thicke Record called "Magic". Forward this email (not the charts) to the realest soldier in your hood or the most ******* executive in your office with strong music ties. Tell em, Pac's spirit is ALIVE and WELL in the Music Industry in 2008.
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Dave House OUTLAW
Interscope Records
http://www.futureproducers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=255062
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nice article,,,, thanks bondizzle
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Ppl dont buy music
1,000,000 people bought Carter III in the first week it was released.
Thats 1 album
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theres a lot goin on behind the scenes i tell you!! Sales money is split into so many many people.Shit!!!
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& i also read some rumor somewhere that Him and Baby are fighting over money.
Could there be trouble brewing between superstar rapper Lil Wayne and his manager/labelmate/father Bryan “Baby” Williams? Well according to one Lil Wayne insider - there may just be.
Baby is contracted to receive the lions share of the proceeds from The Carter 3 and Lil Wayne may get close to nothing.
The insider explained, No one could have imagined how big a success The Carter 3 would be. Now Lil Wayne wants a different deal.
http://www.musikizme.com/2008/06/21/lil-wayne-birdman-fighting-over-tha-carter-3-money/
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@Toaster
I respect what you saying 16bar ma**icre was a fun track!
take for example
Beautiful Music
Hold on
She was the past
Worth it
Those are tracks that have a timeless time span! its means they can be played 6 months from now and it would still sound good!
Now im not trying to bring the crackboys down or what not i respect you and cash but please do not tell me Kewpid is the future. and as for your list it is debateable! I think only time will tell where we all stand in a year or two! Wel will see who's list has survived! But with all respect I dont think half the people ony uor list gig as much as the people on my list!
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@ Ex yeah, but then again the goals that you and Kewpid have are totally different, you wana make a cla**ic he dont.
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Any list without Ben Sharpa in #1 spot is just plain crazy.
Disagree, Ben is okay, but in my humble opinion Pro-kid is still the best South African MC, I've heard and I don't care what any of you underground cats say,
Ben is not even touching my top 5 ever...
Pro
Amu
Crooked
Waddy
Shorty Skills
Dope mentions to; Robbo, Selwyn and Shimane, Tumi and even Speks...
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Any list without Ben Sharpa in #1 spot is just plain crazy.
Disagree, Ben is okay, but in my humble opinion Pro-kid is still the best South African MC, I've heard and I don't care what any of you underground cats say,
Ben is not even touching my top 5 ever...
Pro
Amu
Crooked
Waddy
Shorty Skills
Dope mentions to; Robbo, Selwyn and Shimane, Tumi and even Speks...
It's difficult to compare emcees as they all do their own thing. I'm really glad to see someone giving Waddy props as he is one of the illest cats in SA who hardly ever gets mentioned on AG. Pro Kid is also one of my favourite MCs,,, in fact, your whole list is dope.
However, Ben is in a league of his own and, for me, i haven't heard many emcees internationally that can touch him for what he does. The fact that he's at home on a boom bap beat with Wordsworth, or on some UK jiggy hard tip with Foreign Beggars, or killing it at mad European festivals with Milanese and Sibot, or politicking on discussion panels with Black Thought,,, all whilst leading the way with a totally original style that has huge depth in content - there is no other emcee in SA who can touch that.
Obviously it all comes down to taste and there's no point arguing about that. When Da L.E.S does a track with Lil Wayne, Fabolous, Jay Z or 50 Cent, I'll take my hat off to him and respect that 100%. Until such time, your boy Sharpa is leading the way with real power moves (IMHO).
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yo Ex, Kewpid IS THE FUTURE! ;)
Look man, i personally think u hav a solid underground hiphop album, but none of the traks are timeless dog.
a lot of UG cats think that jus cos they got the same FEEL as a timeless record,that means ur record is timeless too! i dont think any of ur tracks are timeless. in fact,ur joints are solid but still theres room for improvement. and this is positive crit my dude! pls dont see it as no disrespect!
these are timeless hiphop records:
Dear Mama - Tupac
Juicy - the Notorious BIG
Hiphop - Dead Prez
Ridin Dirty - Chammilionaire
Ms Jackson - Outkast
Dead Presidents,H to the IZZO - Jay -Z
CREAM - Wu Tang Clan
Summertime - Dj Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince
All that i got is u - Ghostface
Gold Digger - Kanye West
Ruff Ryders Anthem - DMX
ANTE UP - MOP
Gin n Juice,Whats my Name - Snoop Dogg
Cant nobody hold me down - Puff Daddy and the family
In the Club - 50 Cent
Ur not on that level yet dawg!
Kewpid aint on that level either! but dude is 19, he learnin every day and he has the business mind of a hustla! he fresh! he clean! he a chick magnet! he can cross over into acting! he got POP appeal! he knows how to write a COMMERCIAL RECORD! NATURALLY! with no effort! he got the right TEAM behind him! He got me n Bondizzo SEEING to EVERYTHING on the business and marketing level! its not many cats with a SOLID TEAM behind them!
Thats what i mean by THE FUTURE!!!!!
He can/or is capable of achievin what all of us JUS CANT!
He got all the tools to be a hiphop STAR!!!! beyond jus RAPPIN! n that is what the FUTURE IS!
Most niggas is already obsolete!
think about it! do u hav all that on ur side?
no u dont!
but u grind as best u can n talent will take u only a certain extent,then u need all the other tools for success!
ie. Sex appeal, teen appeal,the ability to CROSS OVER with ur music,Swag, Presence,Good management,Marketing and Promotion,Manufacturing and Distribution,a good publicist,a qualified Financial manager(ME in 3 yrs),and about 15 plus niggas who jus ready to ride for ya!
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@ Explicit how can LES be a one hit wonder if this is his first offering and its two weeks old, maybe you and I have a different definition of one hit wonder.
And its easy to point fingers at Kewpid and So Fresh, but wat about your homies featured on your mixtape like Spaceman, Spaceman has bin spittin dodgy shit evasince ive known him, but since he is underground yall niggaz are gonna let it slide, and im not saying that Spaceman is wack im just saying that he don’t make sense.
And Mind Control on TRUE ENEMY WTF are they saying, am I missing something there
And on WHERE YOU AT: who spits that line “I CARRIED THE CROSS AND JESUS DIED IN THE HOOD” like what the f*** does that mean am I missing something.
And LES album for me was anticipated, I hadn’t been exited for an album since Prokids Heads and Tales, coz hip hop in SA had reached a point where you knew to expect, now there are ppl like Maggz, morale and the Proverb dropping and im exited again
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Cash, just one question...is'nt there a timeless track in SA yet?
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Cash, just one question...is'nt there a timeless track in SA yet?
Brenda Fa**ie - Weekend special
some TKzee tracks are timeless
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Cash, just one question...is'nt there a timeless track in SA yet?
Brenda Fa**ie - Weekend special
some TKzee tracks are timeless
Sorry for not specifying...I mean't HIPHOP timeless tracks
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As far as SA hiphop, we dont have a timeless track!
The closest id say wud be Tswaka - HHP and Umoya - Skwatta Kamp! they lived up to now!
Yo EX, i think i picked up more than ONE HIT on LES album!
Tippy Toes,We on FIRE(god damn,this will be BIGGER than Tippy),Candy Store,Girls,Got my Swagga,the B-boy track!(crazy),and beleive me theres more! but these i jus mentioned are NO QUESTIONS ASKED BONAFIDE HITS!
look,we can debate all day but the fact remains! DA LES' album is young,fly,got pop appeal,radio n club friendly,the LADIES WILL LOVE IT TO DEATH,niggas on that FRESH SHIT like ME dig dat shit!
i wanna hear bout Candy paint drippin sneakers,my stunners,dat GWAP,poppin tags,bawlin in the club,tippytoein n supersoakin hoes!thats what the people WANT! its f***in hot! IM EXCITED!!!!!
every store i went to it was SOLD OUT! i had to drive all the way to PTA! n when i got there it was the last copy! the album is FLAWLESS!!!! Its that SWAG BABY! its TRILL!
IF THAT AINT HIPHOP,WHAT THE f*** IS!?
MATTER FACT,IF THAT AINT HIPHOP,THEN HIPHOP SUCKS!!!
Cop DA LES niggas!!! its f***ing tight!
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As far as SA hiphop, we dont have a timeless track!
The closest id say wud be Tswaka - HHP and Umoya - Skwatta Kamp! they lived up to now!
Yo EX, i think i picked up more than ONE HIT on LES album!
Tippy Toes,We on FIRE(god damn,this will be BIGGER than Tippy),Candy Store,Girls,Got my Swagga,the B-boy track!(crazy),and beleive me theres more! but these i jus mentioned are NO QUESTIONS ASKED BONAFIDE HITS!
look,we can debate all day but the fact remains! DA LES' album is young,fly,got pop appeal,radio n club friendly,the LADIES WILL LOVE IT TO DEATH,niggas on that FRESH SHIT like ME dig dat shit!
i wanna hear bout Candy paint drippin sneakers,my stunners,dat GWAP,poppin tags,bawlin in the club,tippytoein n supersoakin hoes!thats what the people WANT! its f***in hot! IM EXCITED!!!!!
every store i went to it was SOLD OUT! i had to drive all the way to PTA! n when i got there it was the last copy! the album is FLAWLESS!!!! Its that SWAG BABY! its TRILL!
IF THAT AINT HIPHOP,WHAT THE f*** IS!?
MATTER FACT,IF THAT AINT HIPHOP,THEN HIPHOP SUCKS!!!
Cop DA LES niggas!!! its f***ing tight!
Its true what they say... our future has become retarded.....
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retarded, or whatever u may call it, fact remains, it IS the future and change may be interpreted as a RETARDATION OF THE CURRENT WAY OF LIFE, so i see what ur tryin to say.
Jus remember, ur parents,and their parents also thought the future generations were retarded. i guess its just human nature to resist and fear change. to even go as far as beleiving that the future is DOOM! when its just merely a new day! a new way!
A new WHITE!
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retarded, or whatever u may call it, fact remains, it IS the future and change may be interpreted as a RETARDATION OF THE CURRENT WAY OF LIFE, so i see what ur tryin to say.
Jus remember, ur parents,and their parents also thought the future generations were retarded. i guess its just human nature to resist and fear change. to even go as far as beleiving that the future is DOOM! when its just merely a new day! a new way!
A new WHITE!
If maybe they could get rid of poverty and everyone becomes rich.. then maybe just maybe, that could be the future... but for now, what u rap about will be irrelevant if the listeners (or even the rappers) cant afford the sneakers or the stunners or if they aint making no gwap...
Im all for the ballin' lifestyle.. but id rather hear it from dudes that actually worked hard for it i.e Jay Z, 50 cent, Diddy
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@Toaster and Cash
Now this is where you really both get it twisted! Im not Underground! I dont fit in that group! Ben Sharpa might be Underground but im honestly not!.
Okay as for spaceman! I cant really comment but dude has been here longer than the both of us and he still got it on lock!
@Cash My Ep might not be considered a cla**ic in your eyes or the crackboys eyes but the truth of the matter is that my first offering has gotten me some good shows and serious endorsements! Just the other day Butan wear was talking to me bout a Deal!, I got a corporate gig later this month thats paying very well cause one of there employee's bought the cd and like it and suggest it!
In no disprespectful way and I stand to be corrected, the crack boys only show this year has been Heads against Violence? Am I correct?
@Toaster! I respect what you saying but imma wait for your mixtape and we will compare products! and Tbo Touch's show is no way to measure success either!
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@Toaster and Cash
Now this is where you really both get it twisted! Im not Underground! I dont fit in that group! Ben Sharpa might be Underground but im honestly not!.
Okay as for spaceman! I cant really comment but dude has been here longer than the both of us and he still got it on lock!
@Cash My Ep might not be considered a cla**ic in your eyes or the crackboys eyes but the truth of the matter is that my first offering has gotten me some good shows and serious endorsements! Just the other day Butan wear was talking to me bout a Deal!, I got a corporate gig later this month thats paying very well cause one of there employee's bought the cd and like it and suggest it!
In no disprespectful way and I stand to be corrected, the crack boys only show this year has been Heads against Violence? Am I correct?
@Toaster! I respect what you saying but imma wait for your mixtape and we will compare products! and Tbo Touch's show is no way to measure success either!
The gloves are comin' off, Let the games begin
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retarded, or whatever u may call it, fact remains, it IS the future and change may be interpreted as a RETARDATION OF THE CURRENT WAY OF LIFE, so i see what ur tryin to say.
Jus remember, ur parents,and their parents also thought the future generations were retarded. i guess its just human nature to resist and fear change. to even go as far as beleiving that the future is DOOM! when its just merely a new day! a new way!
A new WHITE!
I think that there's a big difference between 'change' and 'retardation'. when hip hop first came out, the older generation were scared of it - not because it was 'stupid', but because it was revolutionary - it gave disenfranchised people a voice and that scared the establishment. Slowly that revolutionary edge has been eroded as commercial interests have taken over. Well educated grown men singing about 'tippy toes' isn't revolutionary, it's the exact opposite - it puts hip hop into the britney spiers / pop music mould.
Hip Hop has always had a pop dance movement within in - there is nothing new about that. I love change - change is what keeps hip hop fresh, but LES ain't changing anything - he's just mimicking what's already there! Just because he's doing it in SA doesn't make it original.
The future of SA hip hop lies in dudes who make SOUTH AFRICAN hip hop with an edge - music that people from other countries will recognise as something uniquely south african. This doesn't mean 'underground' or niche music, just not blatant mimicry.
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As far as SA hiphop, we dont have a timeless track!
The closest id say wud be Tswaka - HHP and Umoya - Skwatta Kamp! they lived up to now!
You've just confirmed my thoughts, your definition of a timeless track is a HIT track, to u if a track didn't top Charts it's not timeless..rite??
Well my definition differs completely, I can think of many songs/albums which are on my playlists with tracks that were never hits in their prime, but I still break my neck to those joints as if they were cut yesterday...ten years from now I'll still be bumping microphone sweet home, Imagery by Zubz, Cheers by Mycbeth and Glitches by Black Thought, No Regrets by Masta Ace and a whole lot of TIMELESS tracks!
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no doubt Ex, u make sum valid points!
But until you learn to craft a commercial hiphop track, you will fall under the ben sharpa umbrella.
your project is well received and respected in underground, battlerap and not so mainstream circles.
i am yet to hear you push urself out of that comfort zone ur in and create a HIT RECORD. i dig ur EP and will continue to supprt and push it,cos i have a braod love for hiphop of all types!
and i think in this day in time, ur not a true hiphop lover if you cannot embrace the likes of DA LES.ie Crunk,Snap,Hyphy,Reggaeton,The Miami movement,West coast gangsta rap,the Dirty South rap,Trap Music, and Hip POP!
If u aint feelin those and only appreciate Street hiphop,Battlerap,Underground hiphop and Conscious hiphop! UR ONLY A PARTIAL HIPHOP LOVER!!!!
u see EX, ur strengths are Battle rappin,Free styling & Punchlines!
I applaude you on that!
But you will forever put urself at a disadvantage if u only focus on those n think "lyricism" is the only base u need to cover!
Apart from now getting more into LIVE performance(also a key factor is STAGE PRESENCE!!!) and U DO HAV A GOOD BUSINESS SENSE(not surprised u negotiating with sponsors, good look!!!!) you are lacking when it comes to things like :
1.Image(ur gear game and how people percieve u!)
2.Flow(im talkin bout "how u rap" not "what u rap about")
3.Swag(the X factor EX ;) u need to work on that HARD!!!)
4.Sex Appeal(nigga u know the ladies are ultimately the ones who will pack ur show,request ur videos,generate buzz for ya,buy ur shit and scream at ur shows!!!!)
5.Crossover appeal(Can u do a dancehall record,a pop record,an Rnb record,a country record,a rock record - this is called EXPANDING YOUR MARKET!)
6.Lack of songwriting ability(ie.melodies,catchy hooks,bridges,adlibs,writing music that people can DANCE to - U KNOW U NEED TO WORK A LOT ON THOSE DOG!!!)
7.Ability in other fields of hiphop ENTERTAINMENT(acting,production,dancing,modelling- i say modelling cos if u are gonna be endorsed by clothing labels such as Butan etc. CAN U MODEL their BRAND! can u make Butan DESIRABLE? or r u jus gonna rock the FREE CLOTHES? theres a difference)
8.A musical EAR!(ie. ur beat selection! if u jus looked at ur BEAT SELECTION, ud realise,that is probably one of the MAIN REASONS u are considered an UNDERGROUND rapper-ur selection is UNDERGROUND DOG! and its one dimensional! its suited for a rapper who throws punchlines and battle rhymes....u need diversity in beats,choose stuff that;ll challenge u out of ya comfy zone - sum for the ladies,sum sexy,sum to make the club bang,sum to make a nigga cry,sum to make niggas wil'out,sum grown,sum crunk,sum gangsta/street,sum for more than jus HIPHOP FANS!)
9. A STRONG TEAM(to handle all the other things away from rockin the mic! ur only one man.)
now u can jus view all these things as unimportant, but jus remember that a nigga like KEWPID is ready to learn ALL THAT!
He is willing to GO THE EXTRA MILE to become a rap SUPERSTAR!
and he got niggas behind him ready to go the extra mile with him!
he is willing to not overlook things u may see as corny!
Da LES has catered for a market most yall saw as irrelevant, NOW YALL NIGGAS(WIGGAS)MAD. :-*
If u look at Diddy,50,Jay,Kanye,Tupac,Biggie,Common,Missy Elliot,The GAME,T.I, Snoop Dogg,Lil Wayne(a work in progress)..... ALL THESE ARTISTS LEARNED ALL THESE ASPECTS and at least perfected MOST(90% or more) OF THEM! n these are really the creme of the crop as far as HIPHOP the past 5-10 yrs or so n currently!
u jus got lyricism,entry level business sense,and props from HEADS.
Now thats enough to get in the game,cos theres niggas who dont even have those 3 factors on lock! but beyond that my nigga u fallin short!
We also not 100% with all those things dog! but all im sayin is, WERE WILLING TO LEARN ALL THAT N GROW! are u?
if not,then its inevitable that KEWPID WILL GROW and you will remain stagnant.and in two/three yrs ur strengths will be ENTRY LEVEL standard!
RATHER embrace the new era and adapt! Look at Busta rhymes, he has moved with every generation of hiphop! effortlessly! while his peers like Red n Meth have fallen off! its cos he ran wit it!
As a nigga who respect yo hustle, i wana c u still movin stronger in a YR,2YRS,and more! this is whats required,look n learn! leave the preachin to the Zubz' n Tumi's n em! The Nas's n KRS's! cos thats all they got now! they didnt have the opportunities we have! we can only try learn from their mistakes, n do our thing! respect em, but keep it movin, if they dont respect us!
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But until you learn to craft a commercial hiphop track, you will fall under the ben sharpa umbrella.
your project is well received and respected in underground, battlerap and not so mainstream circles.
The way you keep talking about Sharpa as though he's some battle emcee who ain't reaching the public is deluded. Since he joined Pioneer Unit he's been on two european tours, including Glastonbury (the biggest music festival in the world). He's been flown down to Cape Town 6 times to perform, as well as performing on numerous occasions in J-Sect. He's been on the front cover of Hype as well as being featured on many occasions. He's been in One Small Seed, Cosmopolitan, Drum, Mail & Guardian and SL. He's featured on Emcee Battle Africa, Mzanzi Ridez and other tv shows I can't even remember.
We're weighing up a variety of meaningful sponsorship opportunities, negotiating international distribution for his various projects, planning further european tours, doing more international collaborations and have signed up for a documentary that is due for theatrical release in the US. Sharpa's solo album is dropping this year. He's also got a collaboration album with Milanese dropping this year. When these drop, things will really start to happen, trust me!
But I guess Sharpa won't impress you until he makes a pop song?
Anyway,,, this thread is about LES, not Sharpa so let's keep it moving :)
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But until you learn to craft a commercial hiphop track, you will fall under the ben sharpa umbrella.
your project is well received and respected in underground, battlerap and not so mainstream circles.
The way you keep talking about Sharpa as though he's some battle emcee who ain't reaching the public is deluded. Since he joined Pioneer Unit he's been on two european tours, including Glastonbury (the biggest music festival in the world). He's been flown down to Cape Town 6 times to perform, as well as performing on numerous occasions in J-Sect. He's been on the front cover of Hype as well as being featured on many occasions. He's been in One Small Seed, Cosmopolitan, Drum, Mail & Guardian and SL. He's featured on Emcee Battle Africa, Mzanzi Ridez and other tv shows I can't even remember.
We're weighing up a variety of meaningful sponsorship opportunities, negotiating international distribution for his various projects, planning further european tours, doing more international collaborations and have signed up for a documentary that is due for theatrical release in the US. Sharpa's solo album is dropping this year. He's also got a collaboration album with Milanese dropping this year. When these drop, things will really start to happen, trust me!
But I guess Sharpa won't impress you until he makes a pop song?
Anyway,,, this thread is about LES, not Sharpa so let's keep it moving :)
Yes, but is his gear fresh? Does he have swag? How many baby-mommas does he have? Do the womens like him? The beard takes away from his sex-appeal. Does he have the ability to start acting and modeling?
All these things make you a hot emcee. If you don't have those, you might as well quit your Glastonburys and other shit, cos you aint hot.
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But until you learn to craft a commercial hiphop track, you will fall under the ben sharpa umbrella.
your project is well received and respected in underground, battlerap and not so mainstream circles.
The way you keep talking about Sharpa as though he's some battle emcee who ain't reaching the public is deluded. Since he joined Pioneer Unit he's been on two european tours, including Glastonbury (the biggest music festival in the world). He's been flown down to Cape Town 6 times to perform, as well as performing on numerous occasions in J-Sect. He's been on the front cover of Hype as well as being featured on many occasions. He's been in One Small Seed, Cosmopolitan, Drum, Mail & Guardian and SL. He's featured on Emcee Battle Africa, Mzanzi Ridez and other tv shows I can't even remember.
We're weighing up a variety of meaningful sponsorship opportunities, negotiating international distribution for his various projects, planning further european tours, doing more international collaborations and have signed up for a documentary that is due for theatrical release in the US. Sharpa's solo album is dropping this year. He's also got a collaboration album with Milanese dropping this year. When these drop, things will really start to happen, trust me!
But I guess Sharpa won't impress you until he makes a pop song?
Anyway,,, this thread is about LES, not Sharpa so let's keep it moving :)
Yes, but is his gear fresh? Does he have swag? How many baby-mommas does he have? Do the womens like him? The beard takes away from his sex-appeal. Does he have the ability to start acting and modeling?
All these things make you a hot emcee. If you don't have those, you might as well quit your Glastonburys and other shit, cos you aint hot.
you're right,,, he should quit now :D :D :D
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^^ Co Siggy. Dpleazy.. I reckon u should just close shop. Pioneer Unit is slidind down the slipery slope of failure.
I mean how could you blindly keep the faith for so long? What made you think that international-cross continental collaborations, national and international tours, print and visual media coverage, international releases, in multiple formats (CD/Vynil/Digital) would lead to success.
You really need to wake up Damian. There is only one way to sustain yourself in music, and your on the wrong path, wearing the wrong suit, with your feet firmly on the ground. Dont you know you cannot get anywhere unless your own your tipsy toes?
Pioneer Unit... Pack it up. You score a measly 2 out of 10 on the Ten Crack commandments
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no doubt Ex, u make sum valid points!
But until you learn to craft a commercial hiphop track, you will fall under the ben sharpa umbrella.
your project is well received and respected in underground, battlerap and not so mainstream circles.
i am yet to hear you push urself out of that comfort zone ur in and create a HIT RECORD. i dig ur EP and will continue to supprt and push it,cos i have a braod love for hiphop of all types!
and i think in this day in time, ur not a true hiphop lover if you cannot embrace the likes of DA LES.ie Crunk,Snap,Hyphy,Reggaeton,The Miami movement,West coast gangsta rap,the Dirty South rap,Trap Music, and Hip POP!
If u aint feelin those and only appreciate Street hiphop,Battlerap,Underground hiphop and Conscious hiphop! UR ONLY A PARTIAL HIPHOP LOVER!!!!
u see EX, ur strengths are Battle rappin,Free styling & Punchlines!
I applaude you on that!
But you will forever put urself at a disadvantage if u only focus on those n think "lyricism" is the only base u need to cover!
Apart from now getting more into LIVE performance(also a key factor is STAGE PRESENCE!!!) and U DO HAV A GOOD BUSINESS SENSE(not surprised u negotiating with sponsors, good look!!!!) you are lacking when it comes to things like :
1.Image(ur gear game and how people percieve u!)
2.Flow(im talkin bout "how u rap" not "what u rap about")
3.Swag(the X factor EX ;) u need to work on that HARD!!!)
4.Sex Appeal(nigga u know the ladies are ultimately the ones who will pack ur show,request ur videos,generate buzz for ya,buy ur shit and scream at ur shows!!!!)
5.Crossover appeal(Can u do a dancehall record,a pop record,an Rnb record,a country record,a rock record - this is called EXPANDING YOUR MARKET!)
6.Lack of songwriting ability(ie.melodies,catchy hooks,bridges,adlibs,writing music that people can DANCE to - U KNOW U NEED TO WORK A LOT ON THOSE DOG!!!)
7.Ability in other fields of hiphop ENTERTAINMENT(acting,production,dancing,modelling- i say modelling cos if u are gonna be endorsed by clothing labels such as Butan etc. CAN U MODEL their BRAND! can u make Butan DESIRABLE? or r u jus gonna rock the FREE CLOTHES? theres a difference)
8.A musical EAR!(ie. ur beat selection! if u jus looked at ur BEAT SELECTION, ud realise,that is probably one of the MAIN REASONS u are considered an UNDERGROUND rapper-ur selection is UNDERGROUND DOG! and its one dimensional! its suited for a rapper who throws punchlines and battle rhymes....u need diversity in beats,choose stuff that;ll challenge u out of ya comfy zone - sum for the ladies,sum sexy,sum to make the club bang,sum to make a nigga cry,sum to make niggas wil'out,sum grown,sum crunk,sum gangsta/street,sum for more than jus HIPHOP FANS!)
9. A STRONG TEAM(to handle all the other things away from rockin the mic! ur only one man.)
now u can jus view all these things as unimportant, but jus remember that a nigga like KEWPID is ready to learn ALL THAT!
He is willing to GO THE EXTRA MILE to become a rap SUPERSTAR!
and he got niggas behind him ready to go the extra mile with him!
he is willing to not overlook things u may see as corny!
Da LES has catered for a market most yall saw as irrelevant, NOW YALL NIGGAS(WIGGAS)MAD. :-*
If u look at Diddy,50,Jay,Kanye,Tupac,Biggie,Common,Missy Elliot,The GAME,T.I, Snoop Dogg,Lil Wayne(a work in progress)..... ALL THESE ARTISTS LEARNED ALL THESE ASPECTS and at least perfected MOST(90% or more) OF THEM! n these are really the creme of the crop as far as HIPHOP the past 5-10 yrs or so n currently!
u jus got lyricism,entry level business sense,and props from HEADS.
Now thats enough to get in the game,cos theres niggas who dont even have those 3 factors on lock! but beyond that my nigga u fallin short!
We also not 100% with all those things dog! but all im sayin is, WERE WILLING TO LEARN ALL THAT N GROW! are u?
if not,then its inevitable that KEWPID WILL GROW and you will remain stagnant.and in two/three yrs ur strengths will be ENTRY LEVEL standard!
RATHER embrace the new era and adapt! Look at Busta rhymes, he has moved with every generation of hiphop! effortlessly! while his peers like Red n Meth have fallen off! its cos he ran wit it!
As a nigga who respect yo hustle, i wana c u still movin stronger in a YR,2YRS,and more! this is whats required,look n learn! leave the preachin to the Zubz' n Tumi's n em! The Nas's n KRS's! cos thats all they got now! they didnt have the opportunities we have! we can only try learn from their mistakes, n do our thing! respect em, but keep it movin, if they dont respect us!
my oh my!!! this has got to be the most comprehensive load of bullshit i have come across in a long time. and what makes it stink even more is that it is preached by someone regarding themselves as the progressive authority and voice of the new-age hip hop generation of inbred retards.
i have highlighted some things that caught my eye that i do believe that wikipedia misled you on - though your stupidity cannot be attributed solely to a free encyclopaedia on the internet, most of it is natural.
i am aware that you're trying really hard to be something and that is commendable, but stop speaking out of your arse so much.
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But until you learn to craft a commercial hiphop track, you will fall under the ben sharpa umbrella.
your project is well received and respected in underground, battlerap and not so mainstream circles.
But I guess Sharpa won't impress you until he makes a pop song?
Very interested in seeing your answer there Mr Cash money. Because truth be told,u praise success when it's people around your circle or who are moving in the same direction as you.Like when Pro said he went gold.U couldn't give props and where trying to find every excuse in the book not to give props.But then u always telling us we need to get this paper,yadayada. Actually all the people you co-sign are not even pushing units.Just cos they talk about it on their records don't mean they doing it.Peeps like Zubz, Proverb,etc, are the one's pushing reasonable #'s.And u still hating on them. U're a hypocrite.
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lol. Fellaz chill!
@Pyro - all u need to be a HOT EMCEE is to be a good lyricist.ie RAPPING SKILLS!
So mos definitely Ben Sharpa is a HOT EMCEE! 100%! 10/10 for that!
Im sorry D, if i was referrin to B as an Underground EMcee if he isnt! Just that im workin from his image,his beat selection,him BEING in Emcee Africa, and his participation in Europe(which caters more for UG HEADS) and his subject matter!(i aint never heard dude spit about nothin outside of the UG SCOPE, like Poppin tags,shoulder leanin or his tippy toes bein covered in candy paint drippin Bapes dat look like Jelly tots ;D)but i done heard him spit that TYPICAL UG SHIT bout KILLIN EMCEES n COMIN THRU n MY FLOWS ARE LETHAL/DEADLY/ILL/DEEP?ETC like...... my bad if im comin off wrong. but if he aint a UG cat,he gives off that IMPRESSION!
@pyro (i aint finished witcha my no.1 fan of all time :-*)
I was referring to a RAP SUPERSTAR >>>>>> Hot Emcee.
HOT EMCEE is the Entry Level!
Im talkin bout the FINAL LEVEL BEFORE BEING A HIPHOP MOGUL! ie. being a RAP SUPERSTAR!
@blaqsouljah - like i said! all these points might be seen as rediculous, but just bare in mind that sum nigga out there is willing to learn all that and inevitably have an advantage over a cat jus focussin on entry level shit = ie. just lyricism!
I think Ben Sharpa has a stront TEAM behind him - DPlanet(poineer unit),hes a lyricist,got a good publicist(as D has pointed out,dude has appeared a lot in the media and gets SHOWS), we all know his image is lacking(any observer can see that!), so Sharpa is fairing pretty well.
But can he crossover to POP? NO!
of course that may not be his intentions! cool!
but the niggas who DO intend to crossover will have an advantage as far as CROSSOVER,Ma** APPEAL,RADIO SPINS,etc.
Can he make the people dance? hmmmm
Does he have sex appeal? @Pyro - u got an answer perhaps? :D u wud know! whose sexier, LES/Sharpa.lol Will he ever make the Cosmo SEXIEST MEN POLL since he was in the Cosmo? ;D now thats irrelevant as far as rapping skills.lol. but it does widen ur fan base!
dudes been on TV coupla times,is he workin on gettin on TV or is he jus ON TV!
all im sayin is these things yall overlook, but if u aspiring to be a great Emcee thats cool, all u gotta do is focus on SPITTIN FIRE!
But if u wana TAKE HIPHOP HERE TO ANOTHER LEVEL and become a RAP SUPERSTAR and then a HIPHOP MOGUL, ALL THESE THINGS MATTER IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER!!!
Even Rick Ross n Biggy try to look sexy with they shirts off n women around them in the hot tub! hahahahahaha!!!! they know it matters! they cannot overlook these things cos they know sum other cat who can rap jus as good as them is out there adding those features to his rep!
Look at Diddy man! nigga cant dance too well, but he gets down man! that shits entertainin! even Snoop got sum moves!
Pac is probably the GREATEST RAPPER OF ALL TIME!
and he had all these things on LOCK!!!!!!!!
As much as he was a conscious rapper, he was also a SEX SYMBOL.
As much as he spit fire, he had songs that make u dance!
As much as he was a thug, he was an actor and a MODEL!
PAC had the perfect balance man!
GOAT!!!!
Now if u wana be on TAlib Kwelis level! cool. its easy!
all u gotta do is spend more time reading books n writing ur rhymes!
more time cypherin,gettin high all day freestylin!
thats it! DONE! entry level shit! u are now a qualified HOT EMCEE!
but if u want MORE than Jus HIPHOP in terms of EMCEEIN! yall know...... ;)
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no doubt Ex, u make sum valid points!
But until you learn to craft a commercial hiphop track, you will fall under the ben sharpa umbrella.
your project is well received and respected in underground, battlerap and not so mainstream circles.
i am yet to hear you push urself out of that comfort zone ur in and create a HIT RECORD. i dig ur EP and will continue to supprt and push it,cos i have a braod love for hiphop of all types!
and i think in this day in time, ur not a true hiphop lover if you cannot embrace the likes of DA LES.ie Crunk,Snap,Hyphy,Reggaeton,The Miami movement,West coast gangsta rap,the Dirty South rap,Trap Music, and Hip POP!
If u aint feelin those and only appreciate Street hiphop,Battlerap,Underground hiphop and Conscious hiphop! UR ONLY A PARTIAL HIPHOP LOVER!!!!
u see EX, ur strengths are Battle rappin,Free styling & Punchlines!
I applaude you on that!
But you will forever put urself at a disadvantage if u only focus on those n think "lyricism" is the only base u need to cover!
Apart from now getting more into LIVE performance(also a key factor is STAGE PRESENCE!!!) and U DO HAV A GOOD BUSINESS SENSE(not surprised u negotiating with sponsors, good look!!!!) you are lacking when it comes to things like :
1.Image(ur gear game and how people percieve u!)
2.Flow(im talkin bout "how u rap" not "what u rap about")
3.Swag(the X factor EX ;) u need to work on that HARD!!!)
4.Sex Appeal(nigga u know the ladies are ultimately the ones who will pack ur show,request ur videos,generate buzz for ya,buy ur shit and scream at ur shows!!!!)
5.Crossover appeal(Can u do a dancehall record,a pop record,an Rnb record,a country record,a rock record - this is called EXPANDING YOUR MARKET!)
6.Lack of songwriting ability(ie.melodies,catchy hooks,bridges,adlibs,writing music that people can DANCE to - U KNOW U NEED TO WORK A LOT ON THOSE DOG!!!)
7.Ability in other fields of hiphop ENTERTAINMENT(acting,production,dancing,modelling- i say modelling cos if u are gonna be endorsed by clothing labels such as Butan etc. CAN U MODEL their BRAND! can u make Butan DESIRABLE? or r u jus gonna rock the FREE CLOTHES? theres a difference)
8.A musical EAR!(ie. ur beat selection! if u jus looked at ur BEAT SELECTION, ud realise,that is probably one of the MAIN REASONS u are considered an UNDERGROUND rapper-ur selection is UNDERGROUND DOG! and its one dimensional! its suited for a rapper who throws punchlines and battle rhymes....u need diversity in beats,choose stuff that;ll challenge u out of ya comfy zone - sum for the ladies,sum sexy,sum to make the club bang,sum to make a nigga cry,sum to make niggas wil'out,sum grown,sum crunk,sum gangsta/street,sum for more than jus HIPHOP FANS!)
9. A STRONG TEAM(to handle all the other things away from rockin the mic! ur only one man.)
now u can jus view all these things as unimportant, but jus remember that a nigga like KEWPID is ready to learn ALL THAT!
He is willing to GO THE EXTRA MILE to become a rap SUPERSTAR!
and he got niggas behind him ready to go the extra mile with him!
he is willing to not overlook things u may see as corny!
Da LES has catered for a market most yall saw as irrelevant, NOW YALL NIGGAS(WIGGAS)MAD. :-*
If u look at Diddy,50,Jay,Kanye,Tupac,Biggie,Common,Missy Elliot,The GAME,T.I, Snoop Dogg,Lil Wayne(a work in progress)..... ALL THESE ARTISTS LEARNED ALL THESE ASPECTS and at least perfected MOST(90% or more) OF THEM! n these are really the creme of the crop as far as HIPHOP the past 5-10 yrs or so n currently!
u jus got lyricism,entry level business sense,and props from HEADS.
Now thats enough to get in the game,cos theres niggas who dont even have those 3 factors on lock! but beyond that my nigga u fallin short!
We also not 100% with all those things dog! but all im sayin is, WERE WILLING TO LEARN ALL THAT N GROW! are u?
if not,then its inevitable that KEWPID WILL GROW and you will remain stagnant.and in two/three yrs ur strengths will be ENTRY LEVEL standard!
RATHER embrace the new era and adapt! Look at Busta rhymes, he has moved with every generation of hiphop! effortlessly! while his peers like Red n Meth have fallen off! its cos he ran wit it!
As a nigga who respect yo hustle, i wana c u still movin stronger in a YR,2YRS,and more! this is whats required,look n learn! leave the preachin to the Zubz' n Tumi's n em! The Nas's n KRS's! cos thats all they got now! they didnt have the opportunities we have! we can only try learn from their mistakes, n do our thing! respect em, but keep it movin, if they dont respect us!
i feel u cash... but no matter how dis nigga hate dez still alot they gotta learn... i think they need to think about wat u just said and look at themselves...
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But until you learn to craft a commercial hiphop track, you will fall under the ben sharpa umbrella.
your project is well received and respected in underground, battlerap and not so mainstream circles.
But I guess Sharpa won't impress you until he makes a pop song?
Very interested in seeing your answer there Mr Cash money. Because truth be told,u praise success when it's people around your circle or who are moving in the same direction as you.Like when Pro said he went gold.U couldn't give props and where trying to find every excuse in the book not to give props.But then u always telling us we need to get this paper,yadayada. Actually all the people you co-sign are not even pushing units.Just cos they talk about it on their records don't mean they doing it.Peeps like Zubz, Proverb,etc, are the one's pushing reasonable #'s.And u still hating on them. U're a hypocrite.
on the contrary man. i give props to Zubz lyricism all the time. In fact, i aspire to be the golden mic holder like he was!
and Proverb is my nigga! dude gives good advise and inspiration and i always learn sumthin when i chill wit dude!
In fact Shout tout to HEADRUSH! Look out for dem crackboys interview real soon!
With PRO, i only stated that his 2nd album was GARBAGE! it WAS! and until he admitted it,yall was sayin i was hatin! I also pointed out that he was lyin bout the sales of his 2nd album(did not go gold!) is that hatin? :P
If u loook back on the threads im always PUSHIN HIM ON cos he one of my fav SA rappers! i wished him the best on the TS release and hes slowly gettin back on! which is great! look out for him in the Crackboys VOL.3 DVD!
I give Jabba props too! n he aint even close to going the direction im goin! but i dig his shit!
And with Sharpa, ID LUV TO SEE HIM DO A POP RECORD!!!!
REAL TALK!
Can i PRODUCE IT!!!!
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lol. Fellaz chill!
@Pyro - all u need to be a HOT EMCEE is to be a good lyricist.ie RAPPING SKILLS!
So mos definitely Ben Sharpa is a HOT EMCEE! 100%! 10/10 for that!
Im sorry D, if i was referrin to B as an Underground EMcee if he isnt! Just that im workin from his image,his beat selection,him BEING in Emcee Africa, and his participation in Europe(which caters more for UG HEADS) and his subject matter!(i aint never heard dude spit about nothin outside of the UG SCOPE, like Poppin tags,shoulder leanin or his tippy toes bein covered in candy paint drippin Bapes dat look like Jelly tots ;D)but i done heard him spit that TYPICAL UG SHIT bout KILLIN EMCEES n COMIN THRU n MY FLOWS ARE LETHAL/DEADLY/ILL/DEEP?ETC like...... my bad if im comin off wrong. but if he aint a UG cat,he gives off that IMPRESSION!
@pyro (i aint finished witcha my no.1 fan of all time :-*)
I was referring to a RAP SUPERSTAR >>>>>> Hot Emcee.
HOT EMCEE is the Entry Level!
Im talkin bout the FINAL LEVEL BEFORE BEING A HIPHOP MOGUL! ie. being a RAP SUPERSTAR!
@blaqsouljah - like i said! all these points might be seen as rediculous, but just bare in mind that sum nigga out there is willing to learn all that and inevitably have an advantage over a cat jus focussin on entry level shit = ie. just lyricism!
I think Ben Sharpa has a stront TEAM behind him - DPlanet(poineer unit),hes a lyricist,got a good publicist(as D has pointed out,dude has appeared a lot in the media and gets SHOWS), we all know his image is lacking(any observer can see that!), so Sharpa is fairing pretty well.
But can he crossover to POP? NO!
of course that may not be his intentions! cool!
but the niggas who DO intend to crossover will have an advantage as far as CROSSOVER,Ma** APPEAL,RADIO SPINS,etc.
Can he make the people dance? hmmmm
Does he have sex appeal? @Pyro - u got an answer perhaps? :D u wud know! whose sexier, LES/Sharpa.lol Will he ever make the Cosmo SEXIEST MEN POLL since he was in the Cosmo? ;D now thats irrelevant as far as rapping skills.lol. but it does widen ur fan base!
dudes been on TV coupla times,is he workin on gettin on TV or is he jus ON TV!
all im sayin is these things yall overlook, but if u aspiring to be a great Emcee thats cool, all u gotta do is focus on SPITTIN FIRE!
But if u wana TAKE HIPHOP HERE TO ANOTHER LEVEL and become a RAP SUPERSTAR and then a HIPHOP MOGUL, ALL THESE THINGS MATTER IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER!!!
Even Rick Ross n Biggy try to look sexy with they shirts off n women around them in the hot tub! hahahahahaha!!!! they know it matters! they cannot overlook these things cos they know sum other cat who can rap jus as good as them is out there adding those features to his rep!
Look at Diddy man! nigga cant dance too well, but he gets down man! that shits entertainin! even Snoop got sum moves!
Pac is probably the GREATEST RAPPER OF ALL TIME!
and he had all these things on LOCK!!!!!!!!
As much as he was a conscious rapper, he was also a SEX SYMBOL.
As much as he spit fire, he had songs that make u dance!
As much as he was a thug, he was an actor and a MODEL!
PAC had the perfect balance man!
GOAT!!!!
Now if u wana be on TAlib Kwelis level! cool. its easy!
all u gotta do is spend more time reading books n writing ur rhymes!
more time cypherin,gettin high all day freestylin!
thats it! DONE! entry level shit! u are now a qualified HOT EMCEE!
but if u want MORE than Jus HIPHOP in terms of EMCEEIN! yall know...... ;)
I bet Cash's keyboard looks like this
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb144/csirvre/CashsKeyboard.jpg)
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lol. Fellaz chill!
@Pyro - all u need to be a HOT EMCEE is to be a good lyricist.ie RAPPING SKILLS!
So mos definitely Ben Sharpa is a HOT EMCEE! 100%! 10/10 for that!
Im sorry D, if i was referrin to B as an Underground EMcee if he isnt! Just that im workin from his image,his beat selection,him BEING in Emcee Africa, and his participation in Europe(which caters more for UG HEADS) and his subject matter!(i aint never heard dude spit about nothin outside of the UG SCOPE, like Poppin tags,shoulder leanin or his tippy toes bein covered in candy paint drippin Bapes dat look like Jelly tots ;D)but i done heard him spit that TYPICAL UG SHIT bout KILLIN EMCEES n COMIN THRU n MY FLOWS ARE LETHAL/DEADLY/ILL/DEEP?ETC like...... my bad if im comin off wrong. but if he aint a UG cat,he gives off that IMPRESSION!
@pyro (i aint finished witcha my no.1 fan of all time :-*)
I was referring to a RAP SUPERSTAR >>>>>> Hot Emcee.
HOT EMCEE is the Entry Level!
Im talkin bout the FINAL LEVEL BEFORE BEING A HIPHOP MOGUL! ie. being a RAP SUPERSTAR!
@blaqsouljah - like i said! all these points might be seen as rediculous, but just bare in mind that sum nigga out there is willing to learn all that and inevitably have an advantage over a cat jus focussin on entry level shit = ie. just lyricism!
I think Ben Sharpa has a stront TEAM behind him - DPlanet(poineer unit),hes a lyricist,got a good publicist(as D has pointed out,dude has appeared a lot in the media and gets SHOWS), we all know his image is lacking(any observer can see that!), so Sharpa is fairing pretty well.
But can he crossover to POP? NO!
of course that may not be his intentions! cool!
but the niggas who DO intend to crossover will have an advantage as far as CROSSOVER,Ma** APPEAL,RADIO SPINS,etc.
Can he make the people dance? hmmmm
Does he have sex appeal? @Pyro - u got an answer perhaps? :D u wud know! whose sexier, LES/Sharpa.lol Will he ever make the Cosmo SEXIEST MEN POLL since he was in the Cosmo? ;D now thats irrelevant as far as rapping skills.lol. but it does widen ur fan base!
dudes been on TV coupla times,is he workin on gettin on TV or is he jus ON TV!
all im sayin is these things yall overlook, but if u aspiring to be a great Emcee thats cool, all u gotta do is focus on SPITTIN FIRE!
But if u wana TAKE HIPHOP HERE TO ANOTHER LEVEL and become a RAP SUPERSTAR and then a HIPHOP MOGUL, ALL THESE THINGS MATTER IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER!!!
Even Rick Ross n Biggy try to look sexy with they shirts off n women around them in the hot tub! hahahahahaha!!!! they know it matters! they cannot overlook these things cos they know sum other cat who can rap jus as good as them is out there adding those features to his rep!
Look at Diddy man! nigga cant dance too well, but he gets down man! that shits entertainin! even Snoop got sum moves!
Pac is probably the GREATEST RAPPER OF ALL TIME!
and he had all these things on LOCK!!!!!!!!
As much as he was a conscious rapper, he was also a SEX SYMBOL.
As much as he spit fire, he had songs that make u dance!
As much as he was a thug, he was an actor and a MODEL!
PAC had the perfect balance man!
GOAT!!!!
Now if u wana be on TAlib Kwelis level! cool. its easy!
all u gotta do is spend more time reading books n writing ur rhymes!
more time cypherin,gettin high all day freestylin!
thats it! DONE! entry level shit! u are now a qualified HOT EMCEE!
but if u want MORE than Jus HIPHOP in terms of EMCEEIN! yall know...... ;)
@cash what does this mean...
i wasnt gonna comment cos quite frankly i feel this whole 'UG', conscious , candy paint drippin, tipsy toes, supasoak conversation is kinda played out especially since i think these are 2 different styles of music and its being interpreted by two different kind groups with varying of tastes saying the same things over and over , there will never be a converging point. cash is adamant candy dripping, supasoaking disposablemusic is the future i think thats he's view let him attain that. the rest who are interested in other stuff can also pursue those. ben sharpa im sure serves his purpose and his doing his thing he's international with his 'UG' as u put it, its working for him now cash do yours let it work for you... and lets leave it at that. but i can still say i think L.E.S is wack you can say hes the future and lest leave it at that. one more parting shot fro at the end of the day the music that impacts the world and makes a difference remains most with a head on thier shoulders gravitate to that, party and bullshit is cool but then thats all it is party and bullshit. one
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lol. Fellaz chill!
@Pyro - all u need to be a HOT EMCEE is to be a good lyricist.ie RAPPING SKILLS!
So mos definitely Ben Sharpa is a HOT EMCEE! 100%! 10/10 for that!
Im sorry D, if i was referrin to B as an Underground EMcee if he isnt! Just that im workin from his image,his beat selection,him BEING in Emcee Africa, and his participation in Europe(which caters more for UG HEADS) and his subject matter!(i aint never heard dude spit about nothin outside of the UG SCOPE, like Poppin tags,shoulder leanin or his tippy toes bein covered in candy paint drippin Bapes dat look like Jelly tots ;D)but i done heard him spit that TYPICAL UG SHIT bout KILLIN EMCEES n COMIN THRU n MY FLOWS ARE LETHAL/DEADLY/ILL/DEEP?ETC like...... my bad if im comin off wrong. but if he aint a UG cat,he gives off that IMPRESSION!
@pyro (i aint finished witcha my no.1 fan of all time :-*)
I was referring to a RAP SUPERSTAR >>>>>> Hot Emcee.
HOT EMCEE is the Entry Level!
Im talkin bout the FINAL LEVEL BEFORE BEING A HIPHOP MOGUL! ie. being a RAP SUPERSTAR!
@blaqsouljah - like i said! all these points might be seen as rediculous, but just bare in mind that sum nigga out there is willing to learn all that and inevitably have an advantage over a cat jus focussin on entry level shit = ie. just lyricism!
I think Ben Sharpa has a stront TEAM behind him - DPlanet(poineer unit),hes a lyricist,got a good publicist(as D has pointed out,dude has appeared a lot in the media and gets SHOWS), we all know his image is lacking(any observer can see that!), so Sharpa is fairing pretty well.
But can he crossover to POP? NO!
of course that may not be his intentions! cool!
but the niggas who DO intend to crossover will have an advantage as far as CROSSOVER,Ma** APPEAL,RADIO SPINS,etc.
Can he make the people dance? hmmmm
Does he have sex appeal? @Pyro - u got an answer perhaps? :D u wud know! whose sexier, LES/Sharpa.lol Will he ever make the Cosmo SEXIEST MEN POLL since he was in the Cosmo? ;D now thats irrelevant as far as rapping skills.lol. but it does widen ur fan base!
dudes been on TV coupla times,is he workin on gettin on TV or is he jus ON TV!
all im sayin is these things yall overlook, but if u aspiring to be a great Emcee thats cool, all u gotta do is focus on SPITTIN FIRE!
But if u wana TAKE HIPHOP HERE TO ANOTHER LEVEL and become a RAP SUPERSTAR and then a HIPHOP MOGUL, ALL THESE THINGS MATTER IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER!!!
Even Rick Ross n Biggy try to look sexy with they shirts off n women around them in the hot tub! hahahahahaha!!!! they know it matters! they cannot overlook these things cos they know sum other cat who can rap jus as good as them is out there adding those features to his rep!
Look at Diddy man! nigga cant dance too well, but he gets down man! that shits entertainin! even Snoop got sum moves!
Pac is probably the GREATEST RAPPER OF ALL TIME!
and he had all these things on LOCK!!!!!!!!
As much as he was a conscious rapper, he was also a SEX SYMBOL.
As much as he spit fire, he had songs that make u dance!
As much as he was a thug, he was an actor and a MODEL!
PAC had the perfect balance man!
GOAT!!!!
Now if u wana be on TAlib Kwelis level! cool. its easy!
all u gotta do is spend more time reading books n writing ur rhymes!
more time cypherin,gettin high all day freestylin!
thats it! DONE! entry level shit! u are now a qualified HOT EMCEE!
but if u want MORE than Jus HIPHOP in terms of EMCEEIN! yall know...... ;)
I bet Cash's keyboard looks like this
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb144/csirvre/CashsKeyboard.jpg)
L.O.L on that 1... the man has a point though... did u even read lol...
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I started reading, but then I got nauseous, So much shit, I just couldn;t handle it, cos I'm eating.
Les, is your full name Lester?
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Eish.. I cant read all that.. Information Overload is a recognised ailment nowadays.
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D lol@ Nyambs,funny u put that out! cos recently my keyboard had to be replaced. but i think it was due to sum electrical fault! hahahhahahahaha!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
@DAt Nigga Black!kakakkakakakakka!!!
How many times have i heard this " I wasnt gonna comment, but...."
Then followed by a LONG a** speech.lol.
But i hear u dog! all im sayin is,those who did music that changed the world DID NOT OVERLOOK THE PARTY N BULLSHIT! they did not overlook the SEX SYMBOL shit! they did not overlook the ACTING/MODELLING,POP APPEAL!
PAC did a LOT OF PARTY N BULLSHIT! but his lyrics changed the world!
Bob Marley did a lot of PARTY,WEED N BULLSHIT TOO! lol. n he was a sex symbol!
Madonna,Bono,Timbaland,Janet Jackson,James Brown,Michael Jackson,Beyonce,Kanye West,Akon,The Beatles, Elvis!!!
Frank Sinatra! Robbie Williams,Diddy,Jay and 50!
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I started reading, but then I got nauseous, So much shit, I just couldn;t handle it, cos I'm eating.
Les, is your full name Lester?
ey Pyrokinetic dont be puttin dat shit up in here man... i told u im not him... if any1 sees him plz tell him to come online n clear ma name.. i about tired of dis shit now...
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@ cash, when u say "we all know his image is lacking(any observer can see that!)", is he supposed to look like all the colourful sheep that you are?
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Cash, why do you keep saying the same shit all over again? has it ever occured to you that some people will never agree with your definition of hiphop and life in general?
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As much as CASH is wrong in his long speeches, he has a point in terms of, some of the elements of his reciep to success. However, there are lots and lots of ways of killing a cat. D is doing it, and Sharpa, is still and even more shaper than ever (not all will ever see that)
Dat nigga black, said it: it's taste guys. Street niggers surely dig D's receip and the offerings (of which am a fan), young and fresh, colourful nigz also dig that babe and dripping from Cash. What we dig the most as hustlers on the street is the hustle that both you guys do. I mean niggers do hustle: Cash pressing his own CDs, D Pleezy setting it off on the international level
At the end of the day, every cook flashes and boost about their own receips, not their competitors. It's like KFC and Chicken licken. It's just that some of our cooks boast too much. Which make it seem like self praising, something that most people ain't okay wif.
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Cash, why do you keep saying the same shit all over again? has it ever occured to you that some people will never agree with your definition of hiphop and life in general?
theres a few definite ingredients to SUCCESS!
none of what ive mentioned will hurt any rapper, but will rather enhance them!
ie. Ben Sharpa dont hav to dress like me. Look at Kanye, he dont do throwbacks n all that! But he does look STYLISH!
Common also looks tight although he dont rock the Street Nigga shit!
Its about being conscious of HOW YOU PRESENT YOURSELF! thats a life lesson for everybody! its not MY WAY of thinking or definition!
Its life! PRESENTATION WILL ALWAYS MATTER IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER!
Its a good look for Ben to look clean(i swear it wont affect his lyricism, is that what yall fearin???)
So yes! dudes image game is lacking! i think thats one thing EVERYBODY on AG can agree with me on! even DPleezy :D dont u wish nigga cud pull up to a shoot or interview lookin like "Yeah, its Pioneer Unit bitch! We the flyest" instead of "AAAwwww man....dude u cudv at least shaved, but yo u still my nigga!" lol
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would like to see u with that image, model looking type bullshit, get you into Glastonbury, magazines( besides hype),newspapers and international tours ( which i doubt with ur regugitated sound) but nyways ayikho into ezokutshintsha ingqondo yakho. peace
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@Cash, dawg as much as u like being clean en fresh, not everyone is on that tip. Cleanliness in general terms is enough for some nigz. SOme of us think we look good with our beard and moustaches, pant saggin' en all that. And judging from the number and looks of females I've been with, damn, am a fresh nigger, without an aftershave or powder on my face (okay, joke there Hahaha) Some people like quality, the quality that doens't draw attention. Not the novice stuff. The colour and fashion. Maybe that's what you fail to see, the quality in darker and unnotticed stuff: not just clothes dawg.
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let's not talk style / gear / presentation & Sharpa. Remember how heads were shocked to see Sharpa in LIP GLOSS in hype mag? people's reactions were too funny. yuet Sharpa is still one of the illest! The album is now LONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG Overdue. thanks for the update D.
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let's not talk style / gear / presentation & Sharpa. Remember how heads were shocked to see Sharpa in LIP GLOSS in hype mag? people's reactions were too funny. yuet Sharpa is still one of the illest!
Hahahaha. Ma point, dawg
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no doubt, u can never overlook QUALITY either!
if u rockin a beard,keep it clean! like Common n Rick Ross,theres a level of Scruffiness thats still acceptable tho! u know that ROUGH look! Bitches luv that shit! ;) but keep it clean!
look at niggas like MosDef,he balances his look and he do his movies n shit like that! he features in videos like alicia keyes one where he puts his focus on his SEX APPEAL!
u gotta jus maximise on HOW MANY PEOPLE ur look can appeal to!
u can lose a lot of fans jus cos u look whack. or dont try at all!
Look at how Snazz upped his game gear wise on Emcee Africa,that was a good look, and it didnt make him any SOFTER :D
Hahahaha! the LIP GLOSS was not a good look! hahahhahahahha!!!
bwaaaaaaaaaakakkakkakakakaaa!!! yeah that was sum funny shit!
I kinda dig tho how Pioneer Unit is gettin they artists lookin fresher! Like The RAttex stuff! its tight!!!
That jus showed u that Sharpa aint too sharp on the LOOK he wana put out! its a learning xprience! next time, NO LIP GLOSS!!! hahahhahahahahaa
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Not that I want to get too much into fashion, but when Sharpa got on the plane to the UK he was wearing brand new white Airforce 1s, LRG jeans, Carhartt jacket and a black hoody. Nothing was dirty.
As I've said before, he's not into all that Bape, candy-paint stuff and to be honest, I couldn't really care less what he wears as long as he keeps writing shit like he's been doing.
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So yes! dudes image game is lacking! i think thats one thing EVERYBODY on AG can agree with me on! even DPleezy :D dont u wish nigga cud pull up to a shoot or interview lookin like "Yeah, its Pioneer Unit bitch! We the flyest" instead of "AAAwwww man....dude u cudv at least shaved, but yo u still my nigga!" lol
(http://i30.tinypic.com/2ryj5np.gif)
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but yeah,,, the Hype make up artist did him wrong on that lip gloss shit ;D ;D ;D
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You guys, this thing is getting too funny. Anyways, we all good people.
@D, even if he came in lip glossed , sharp pointining, pink or white suite, saying "I ain't carrying that nife ish 'nymore" in an Akon voice. Hahaha. Thot crossed my mind man
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Cash, why do you keep saying the same shit all over again? has it ever occured to you that some people will never agree with your definition of hiphop and life in general?
This is not agree to disagree matter, for me writing (good) is the most powerful art-form, and besides from poems and books in high-school, my introduction to power of words was through MCs, to say KRS One, Killah Priest, Co Flo and even Biggie saved my life with their writing is an understatement, I rate MCs up there with other famed writers like Hemingway and even Frost.
Cash breaks my heart, I don't care that he likes chicks, clothes and money, but has he ever written anything about writing/mceeing? The core. It baffles me that you have an MC who never talks about the art of writing. Never. I'll tell you what, it's very simple he was never a fan.
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Cash, why do you keep saying the same shit all over again? has it ever occured to you that some people will never agree with your definition of hiphop and life in general?
This is not agree to disagree matter, for me writing (good) is the most powerful art-form, and besides from poems and books in high-school, my introduction to power of words was through MCs, to say KRS One, Killah Priest, Co Flo and even Biggie saved my life with their writing is an understatement, I rate MCs up there with other famed writers like Hemingway and even Frost.
Cash breaks my heart, I don't care that he likes chicks, clothes and money, but has he ever written anything about writing/mceeing? The core. It baffles me that you have an MC who never talks about the art of writing. Never. I'll tell you what, it's very simple he was never a fan.
;D im sorry i broke ya heart man.
ps. ive written a GANG of songs about writing!!!
mostly CHEQUES :D :D :D :D
lol. its good that Ben is Steppin up his game! shit i jus copped me sum new airs(all white crack forces) now i got the highs and the lows! ;D
LRG jeans is a good look! i dont do the crazy rainbow nation bapes as well man.i jus do the simple(no more than two colours shit! lol) by the way!
my kick game ryt now is all about AIRS!
its good that P Unit niggas is lookin a bit fresher lately!
Thats whats up!
u gotta step up clean when u start flyin first cla** man!
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Just thought I'd post these Sharpa lyrics because this is what I consider fresh, fly, dope, entertaining and full of swag...
Yo, I don't need to hold 9s,
I burn steel and leave bullet holes to riddle up your road signs
Seal them up in an instance so you miss your directions,
My cold rhymes turn summer to winter reflections,
Tell a story melancholy, rain blood on your killer party,
pardon me when I brought the pain to your brittle body
Roll with God H.E.A.Ds so you hardly see me,
Stroll down to B-n-B's and forcefeed a weak emcee.
And nowadays it's even harder to satisfy,
coked-up crowds who starve artists with poor appetites,
so I devour with Sharpa soul power,
piss midas dust, kid, watch the gold shower.
Don't say I never warned you cowards,
the industry sucks, so sour now, when I spit lemon heads go 'yuk!'.
Pukka up lips until death kids struck.
Suckers wanna hug us but their bitches wanna f***.
I get down to the root of a thing like Alex Haley,
News hound, street journalist type like Candice Bailey,
For those who don't know the name, it's like black Lois Lane at the Metropolis,
only more in tune and on top of shit,
So here's the scoop; most emcees of today are just obnoxious,
content with meagre pay, lust and a hot chick,
only problem is they fail to see the game's object,
furthermore they glorify murder than who God is.
The results: Obvious! Prison truck and fatherless.
Children f***ed from the start, single moms and joblessness,
So how does one reverse the effects of a system,
that makes the people worse than sick till death is just a symptom.
Bio-engineeered weapons like AIDS and syphilis
Tuskegee experiments, airborne epidemic kits.
And ain't no monkey stew eating here,
the West turned Africans at best to coke junkies of the new year.
Envision; they got us twisted in an unfavourable position,
contortionists couldn't worm their way out of mental prison.
I'm forcing kids to learn the way how to burn down the system
and turn their fears and doubts to optimism.
Rock to rhythms, I drop the knowledge, you caught the wisdom,
now decypher the paralells between life and a cipher.
I rot crumbs and bury 'em from the legs up,
A hot number, might as well marry him like Makeba.
With Sibot I'm wild hot, a nun with striptease,
like Demi Moore commit felonies and come for six weeks,
whether prison or writtens - bend bars like David Blaine,
rapper magician moving target so you can't aim the blame,
same as these chicks that try to lock 'em down,
told the streets I knocked 'em up when I was rockin shows and shockin' crowds,
hot sex on a platter, yo that comes after,
Then Im Audi, Jetta mach 6, with a foxy in an Astra.
This moment of clarity brought to you by Ben Sharpa and Pioneer Unit Records :)
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How much is a first cla** ticket to Cape Town?
To London?
Just curious, if anyone knows.
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^^^Damn thats sick....Sharpa stepped his writing game up.....cant wait to for the album
"the industry sucks, so sour now, when I spit lemon heads go 'yuk!'." :o :o :o :o
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How much is a first cla** ticket to Cape Town?
To London?
Just curious, if anyone knows.
Cape Town to London return is about R60k
I'm not sure that you can fly from Cape Town to Joburg first cla**, only business cla**, which is about R6k
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I think da L.E.S is super talented,If you've been to a peformance or chilled with him you'ld fall inlove with him,style and music instantly.... :-*His dripping of SWAG and the teens are CRAZZYY bout him=)
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I think da L.E.S is super talented,If you've been to a peformance or chilled with him you'ld fall inlove with him,style and music instantly.... :-*His dripping of SWAG and the teens are CRAZZYY bout him=)
I just hope you a gal ;D
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Just thought I'd post these Sharpa lyrics because this is what I consider fresh, fly, dope, entertaining and full of swag...
"LEMME PUT MYSELF IN DEES SHOES FOR A MINUTE(okay, only if they AIR FORCES ALL WHITE N CLEAN),ahem...Now if Kewpid wrote this, this is Dees interpretation :D
Yo, I don't need to hold 9s,
I burn steel and leave bullet holes to riddle up your road signs
Does he really do this!? if he dont hold nines,what kind of heat is he packin? and is he promoting vandalism?
Seal them up in an instance so you miss your directions,
My cold rhymes turn summer to winter reflections,
Tell a story melancholy, rain blood on your killer party,
Is he promoting violence? thats not right ;D
pardon me when I brought the pain to your brittle body
is he talkin about a woman here? is he really that abusive
Roll with God H.E.A.Ds so you hardly see me,
Stroll down to B-n-B's and forcefeed a weak emcee.
who is this WEAK EMCEE? or is it the GENERIC ONE that all UG niggas are constantly attacking and obsess about?this is not original :D
And nowadays it's even harder to satisfy,
coked-up crowds who starve artists with poor appetites,
why is he promoting drugs and glorifying poverty?
so I devour with Sharpa soul power,
piss midas dust, kid, watch the gold shower.
Is this healthy sexual behaviour?why listen to him if i cud jus listen to R Kelly's trial ;D
Don't say I never warned you cowards,
Who are these cowards?Is it the GENERIC cowards all UG cats rap about? This is not original :D
the industry sucks, so sour now, when I spit lemon heads go 'yuk!'.
Pukka up lips until death kids struck.
Suckers wanna hug us but their bitches wanna f***.
Now thats SWAG! REAL TALK! I like this line! Its a true reflection of SA! Niggas front n bitches wana f***! real talk! ;D
This moment of clarity brought to you by Ben Sharpa and Pioneer Unit Records :)
I need more clarity ;D
lol. im jus f***in playin! but this is what yall AG niggas tend to do.lol
Yall disect shit,take it out of context,then PREACH how whack it is! lol! As u see,theres really no logic in this exercise!
Stop hatin on LES ;D
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He said that he is shootin a R300 000 video for We on Fire (On Sbu's show on friday morning).....hope its all fire....
He will also be defending his album on the bridge this coming monday....so all AGs can call in and ask him questions directly....
He also said that its a big coincidence bout the other tippy toes tracks...basically he didnt know bout them.... ???
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He also said that its a big coincidence bout the other tippy toes tracks...basically he didnt know bout them.... ???
hahahah,,, right ;D
I guess it's a big coincidence the beat sounds exactly like dem franchise boys.
It's probably just an even bigger coincidence that his unique sound is exactly the same as all that other snap music from the south.
OK,,, I've had my fun with Les. We all know exactly what time it is. I've really got no problem with Les at all - he never claimed to making ground-breaking music.
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Wish him all the best. I'm sure the video will be hot.
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that track is the shit!
nice move doin a video for that one!
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I need more clarity ;D
lol. im jus f***in playin! but this is what yall AG niggas tend to do.lol
Yall disect shit,take it out of context,then PREACH how whack it is! lol! As u see,theres really no logic in this exercise!
Stop hatin on LES ;D
;D
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that track is the shit!
nice move doin a video for that one!
Yeah but R300 000, daym ait
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WOuld seem foolish to fork out 300k hard cash on a video. I dont think many would do that.
The thing is.. It could be a video worth 300 000, with no actual cash trading hands? It could be a favour, an exchange of services etc. SO maybe he just refered to the worth or value of the vid.
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I think da L.E.S is super talented,If you've been to a peformance or chilled with him you'ld fall inlove with him,style and music instantly.... :-*His dripping of SWAG and the teens are CRAZZYY bout him=)
welcome newbie... watch out... they might think you Da L.E.S...
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I think da L.E.S is super talented,If you've been to a peformance or chilled with him you'ld fall inlove with him,style and music instantly.... :-*His dripping of SWAG and the teens are CRAZZYY bout him=)
welcome newbie... watch out... they might think you Da L.E.S...
lol
he is aint he ??? ??? ^^^^^
shit to tink dat finaly he had graced the AG
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The track is hot, its a joint erbody can bump, heads, ladies etc eish and iv got crazy ideas for the vid, I wish it was my joint and my video
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Excuse my not listening to radio - but i have been dying to listen to this track but some how i can't seem to catch it whenever i tune in to the whackness called radio. Either way after catching all those lyrics on AG i couldn't help but invent this beat to match those lyrics man, yeah man remix (some cartoon shit) - "When you tippy toe" just a snippet.
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Excuse my not listening to radio - but i have been dying to listen to this track but some how i can't seem to catch it whenever i tune in to the whackness called radio. Either way after catching all those lyrics on AG i couldn't help but invent this beat to match those lyrics man, yeah man remix (some cartoon shit) - "When you tippy toe" just a snippet.
??? ??? ???
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err man... u know wat? i think u shud gp back to wateva u said u was doin b4 u did dat beat...
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err man... u know wat? i think u shud gp back to wateva u said u was doin b4 u did dat beat...
;D Dats mean, not erbody is Bongz Boo
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Just thought I'd post these Sharpa lyrics because this is what I consider fresh, fly, dope, entertaining and full of swag...
"LEMME PUT MYSELF IN DEES SHOES FOR A MINUTE(okay, only if they AIR FORCES ALL WHITE N CLEAN),ahem...Now if Kewpid wrote this, this is Dees interpretation :D
Yo, I don't need to hold 9s,
I burn steel and leave bullet holes to riddle up your road signs
Does he really do this!? if he dont hold nines,what kind of heat is he packin? and is he promoting vandalism?
Seal them up in an instance so you miss your directions,
My cold rhymes turn summer to winter reflections,
Tell a story melancholy, rain blood on your killer party,
Is he promoting violence? thats not right ;D
pardon me when I brought the pain to your brittle body
is he talkin about a woman here? is he really that abusive
Roll with God H.E.A.Ds so you hardly see me,
Stroll down to B-n-B's and forcefeed a weak emcee.
who is this WEAK EMCEE? or is it the GENERIC ONE that all UG niggas are constantly attacking and obsess about?this is not original :D
And nowadays it's even harder to satisfy,
coked-up crowds who starve artists with poor appetites,
why is he promoting drugs and glorifying poverty?
so I devour with Sharpa soul power,
piss midas dust, kid, watch the gold shower.
Is this healthy sexual behaviour?why listen to him if i cud jus listen to R Kelly's trial ;D
Don't say I never warned you cowards,
Who are these cowards?Is it the GENERIC cowards all UG cats rap about? This is not original :D
the industry sucks, so sour now, when I spit lemon heads go 'yuk!'.
Pukka up lips until death kids struck.
Suckers wanna hug us but their bitches wanna f***.
Now thats SWAG! REAL TALK! I like this line! Its a true reflection of SA! Niggas front n bitches wana f***! real talk! ;D
This moment of clarity brought to you by Ben Sharpa and Pioneer Unit Records :)
I need more clarity ;D
lol. im jus f***in playin! but this is what yall AG niggas tend to do.lol
Yall disect shit,take it out of context,then PREACH how whack it is! lol! As u see,theres really no logic in this exercise!
Stop hatin on LES ;D
that's so strue. heads are too analytical. take everything and twist it around to suit their views and show how clever they rae. at firts i thought Cash was serious with this and doing the stupid thing everyone does. Very few touch Sharpa in writing. maybe Fungus. and two others. and i said writing. just writing.
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err man... u know wat? i think u shud gp back to wateva u said u was doin b4 u did dat beat...
Eazy Chav - don't hate on me.
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err man... u know wat? i think u shud gp back to wateva u said u was doin b4 u did dat beat...
Eazy Chav - don't hate on me.
Nigga please.. i aint got no reason ta b h8n on ya... im just keepin it real wit ya... 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Heard him on YFM yesterday and it was dope interview, for once I enjoyed the Bridge
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and who was the last dude that called in, i think he said hes name was paul... it sounded like he was quoting words from this exact thread :D (i think he was one of dpleezys or Mrc henchman)
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and who was the last dude that called in, i think he said hes name was paul... it sounded like he was quoting words from this exact thread :D (i think he was one of dpleezys or Mrc henchman)
Yeah tell me bout it
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hahahahahahhahaha!!why did i miss it! LOL.
was they askin DPleezy approved questions? hahahhahhaa. must have been funny man :D
ie. Are u a big mac or a wimpy sizzler ;)
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and who was the last dude that called in, i think he said hes name was paul... it sounded like he was quoting words from this exact thread :D (i think he was one of dpleezys or Mrc henchman)
hahaha,,, i'm glad my henchmen have been keeping busy ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I wonder If he would have made it this big if he was from say maybe Soweto, Vosloo, Thembisa...
Would he still make track called tippy toes...
The game aint what it used to be, but i respect dudes hustle...
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I wonder If he would have made it this big if he was from say maybe Soweto, Vosloo, Thembisa...
Would he still make track called tippy toes...
The game aint what it used to be, but i respect dudes hustle...
Nah he form the Northside where the porshe ride, suburb rap
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^^^lol
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No comment once again. Some of these questions tho.. lol material...
Immodesty blaze
Published:Jul 19, 2008
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Da Les, the kind of rapper who favours fashion...
Who is Da Les?
I’m just a guy who is trying to live positive. I am well-spoken and well-dressed. I’ m probably the most confident guy in Joburg.
You have been described as egotistical and arrogant. Is this true?
I do come across as too self-confident, but I’m actually a very friendly person.
What is your solo album about?
About me. This is my first album so people should know what I am all about.
Some claim that as a rapper you have no street cred.
I’m not all about street cred. I just want to make music that is timeless.
It only took two weeks to work on the album; why should we take it seriously?
Because it’s fresh and different. I tried to keep it as versatile as possible, like an international artist would.
What’s your involvement with the Ama Kip Kip clothing label?
I am the brand amba**ador. I’m also involved with marketing the product.
Are you a fashionista wannabe?
Yes. I’m so into fashion, especially crunk and old-school gear. I like wearing bright colours and large goggles as this is an international trend. I like keeping up with what’s happening in the rest of the world.
Who do you accept as friends on Facebook?
Everyone. All my fans must know what I am up to.
Your music seems to be for teens. Was that your aim?
Yes; the album is for teens. My sound will change as I grow older.
Did Bongani Fa**ie play a role in your album?
Yes; he produced it. He is my best friend. I could say that I am his prodigy and he is my partner.
What do you do in your spare time?
I love skateboarding. I also present a hip-hop show, ShizNiz, and do gig guides on YFM.
Track Marks: Da Les’s favourite tunes of all time
Hair Braider by R Kelly — he’s always on point and his music is always fresh.
Two Step by Glitterati — a quality local track.
What’s Good in Your Hood by Maggz — the message is about the neighbourhoods that different people may represent.
On My Two Feet by Cook — great lyricism about always staying on your two feet.
DKby Bhodlozee — he’s representing his ’hood.
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i respec this nigga man! he always comes off tight in his interviews!
very clear on what he about and who his market is! i like his clarity and confidence!
Big ups for him bringin out the FASHION element/influence in HIPHOP!
Im bout dat FLy Gear n Fresh to death shit so i can relate to my dude!
Its great seein a different side of hiphop being accepted in SA!
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STYLE IS NOT = being a fashion victim/bubble gum dresser
STYLE IS= (http://illdielaughing.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/kanye_west1_300_400.jpg)
(http://www.yorapper.com/Photos/jay-z-feelen-it-ringtone.jpg)
for fashion victims (http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2008/startracks/080505/pharrell_williams.jpg)
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;D i think LES is smart cos style for U(not a teenager anymore) is the more GROWN kanye,Jay,Justin look!
But if u a teenager, u lovin that BApe,Pharell,SB look!
LES is very clear about his target market!
and I think any HIPHOP LOOK got its own STLYE!
Its not the actual gear that makes u stylish! Its HOW U ROCK IT! how u carry yoself! the swag!
A lot o niggas dress like LES, and really they jus look STUPID! but LES looks fresh! Like Pharell n Chad - Pharell looks ill, Chad looks like an idiot.hahahhahahahha. its the SWAG!
I think Kanye and Jay are clever cos jay be rockin Evisus n Bapes n bright hoodies when he sees it advantageous and when he gets his grown man on ,he reps that too!
N Kanye does the hoodies, Bapes, Colourful sneakers too when he gotta! Cos they market is the young AND old!
LES will grow into the GROWN man style too!
Like me,i rock the hoodies n shit(when im goin out to Catwalk or Black O), the more gangsta shit(When im goin out to Newtown,Kasi), the corporate shit(When i got a big meeting,or goin to Capellos or News Cafe).
Cos i wana hit many markets! and im a bit older than LES so i have friends of different ages and in different professions. kinda like Jay!
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Daym that suit jigga is rockin
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(http://www.yorapper.com/Photos/jay-z-feelen-it-ringtone.jpg)
(http://www.tobaccofreekids.org/adgallery/images/USRJRSmoothCamelThumb.jpg)
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Hayi khona That Jigga suit hell no! Kanye looks smart on that one.
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Hayi khona That Jigga suit hell no! Kanye looks smart on that one. NO HOMO
You're Welcome.
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(http://www.yorapper.com/Photos/jay-z-feelen-it-ringtone.jpg)
(http://www.tobaccofreekids.org/adgallery/images/USRJRSmoothCamelThumb.jpg)
The man has the face of a _________(fill in the blank), but that suit is absolute power!
Yummmmmy
*Grown man swagger ;) *
Like me,i rock the hoodies n shit(when im goin out to Catwalk or Black O), the more gangsta shit(When im goin out to Newtown,Kasi), the corporate shit(When i got a big meeting,or goin to Capellos or News Cafe).
LMAO!
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Yeah, I thought I was the only one who noticed that.
gully streets of Newtown. I wonder if they're as bad as Randburg...
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HEY MR BOO BOO HEAD. I C U THINK U CAN RHYME. WHY DONT YOU AND I BATTLE THE SHIT OUT?AND WHY THE f*** U PRAISING OTHER NIGGAZ. WHERES YOUR BEING? YOU JUST ONE OF EM FANS WHO TALK SHIT LIKE THEY JUST DRANK SOME RED BULL CANS? TALK SHIT LIKE U KNW. EVEN IF U WERE KING I WUDNT BOW. JUST TAKE IT SLOW. YOUR MOUTH IS UNPRODUCTIVE LIKE A PIG SOW
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HEY MR BOO BOO HEAD. I C U THINK U CAN RHYME. WHY DONT YOU AND I BATTLE THE SHIT OUT?AND WHY THE f*** U PRAISING OTHER NIGGAZ. WHERES YOUR BEING? YOU JUST ONE OF EM FANS WHO TALK SHIT LIKE THEY JUST DRANK SOME RED BULL CANS? TALK SHIT LIKE U KNW. EVEN IF U WERE KING I WUDNT BOW. JUST TAKE IT SLOW. YOUR MOUTH IS UNPRODUCTIVE LIKE A PIG SOW
(http://go-dl3.eve-files.com/media/0603/retard.jpg)
(http://www.laurasteele.net/cvs/retard404.jpg)
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is more like the L.E.S.- bo
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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;D i think LES is smart cos style for U(not a teenager anymore) is the more GROWN kanye,Jay,Justin look!
But if u a teenager, u lovin that BApe,Pharell,SB look!
LES is very clear about his target market!
and I think any HIPHOP LOOK got its own STLYE!
Its not the actual gear that makes u stylish! Its HOW U ROCK IT! how u carry yoself! the swag!
A lot o niggas dress like LES, and really they jus look STUPID! but LES looks fresh! Like Pharell n Chad - Pharell looks ill, Chad looks like an idiot.hahahhahahahha. its the SWAG!
I think Kanye and Jay are clever cos jay be rockin Evisus n Bapes n bright hoodies when he sees it advantageous and when he gets his grown man on ,he reps that too!
N Kanye does the hoodies, Bapes, Colourful sneakers too when he gotta! Cos they market is the young AND old!
LES will grow into the GROWN man style too!
Like me,i rock the hoodies n shit(when im goin out to Catwalk or Black O), the more gangsta shit(When im goin out to Newtown,Kasi), the corporate shit(When i got a big meeting,or goin to Capellos or News Cafe).
Cos i wana hit many markets! and im a bit older than LES so i have friends of different ages and in different professions. kinda like Jay!
c'mon dawg...how you gona compare pharrel wit les??????
i mean pharrel comes wit his shit first!the other dude just bites his style....
besides if you think bape shoes/clothes/accesories are purchased anywhere else other than a bathing ape store(i.e. amakipkip) then they are FOOOOOOOGGGGGAAAAAAZZZZZIIII lol
plus my shoe game>>>>>>>>than any SA rapper
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@ phunkuu: nyc one nigga
that's y i neva botha wit any of the retards I find here. ;)
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If you talking Air jordans then you know your shit
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If you talking Air jordans then you know your shit
i know everything from air force 1s right thru to gucci and prada dawg.
i got a pair of bathing ape kicks that i paid 400$ for at a bape store but theres no im wearin them >:( coz these ama kipkip dudes f***ed it up with their fong kongs lol
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www.nickexplicit.com thats all you need to know!
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Im talkin Etnies...DVS...DC Shoe Co...
Im talkin Zero...Birdhouse...
Im talkin LRG...Akademiks...ENYCE...
Im talkin Timbs...
Damn...mmm...Im not that Swagger Nigga Look fly everywhere you go...Im that feel good bout what I got kinda cat...I wear Hoodies and sneakers to work...f*** dressing for the ocasion...I'll rock a Shirt in a club if thats what I feel like at that time...
as for Bapes Makip kip...all this coloufull shit...Im not down for that but dont have a problem wit onother cat wearing it
Damn...does everything in hip hop have to be all political and shit?
Do you thing ignore what you dont like...!!!
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well said man, i think we must all afford each other the opportunity to define your own style.
Rock what u wanna rock,whether it looks like pharell or corporate Jay-z, or just plain ol SA kasi style.
Its all about U!
dress how u wana dress and express yoself how u wana express yoself!
I like the fact that Zeb said, Its ABOUT WHAT UR COMFORTABLE IN!
DONE!
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^^^ co-sign but....
wotever you do at least do it right ya dig
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i dont know - i feel like im hating...this is the last time i post anything on this thread
*BUT peep the speech bubbles tho- SMH*
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What do they mean by "my drip is so tight" Cash?
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What do they mean by "my drip is so tight"?
Its a meta4 describing the stage of gonerrhea he is in.
You see, at that stage, when you go to the toilet to take a leak, it has to drip out slowly. You know, with the pain and all.
How do i know?? Cos i failed med school in first year.
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Directed by....
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SMH @ this threads absolut refusal to die..
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SMH @ this threads absolut refusal to die..
You created a monster dude.
Man up and take responsibility for your actions!
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Heard dat fire song. Soundz so american! I ddnt evn know it was da l.e.s til they anounced. Hz accent n da vocals sound so u.s. anyway i think dat if it was done by a real americn artist it would b sumwhere on da bilboard top 10.
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Heard dat fire song. Soundz so american! I ddnt evn know it was da l.e.s til they anounced. Hz accent n da vocals sound so u.s. anyway i think dat if it was done by a real americn artist it would b sumwhere on da bilboard top 10.
you saying a south african cant get on the billboards ?
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Heard dat fire song. Soundz so american! I ddnt evn know it was da l.e.s til they anounced. Hz accent n da vocals sound so u.s. anyway i think dat if it was done by a real americn artist it would b sumwhere on da bilboard top 10.
you saying a south african cant get on the billboards ?
Nah...he's saying Naledi Pando has a fake brittish accent.
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Heard dat fire song. Soundz so american! I ddnt evn know it was da l.e.s til they anounced. Hz accent n da vocals sound so u.s. anyway i think dat if it was done by a real americn artist it would b sumwhere on da bilboard top 10.
you saying a south african cant get on the billboards ?
SAfricans can. Fake Americans can't.
Americans would rather listen to a real American, than a South african whose accent cant be placed to any region in America. It confuses them.
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Heard dat fire song. Soundz so american! I ddnt evn know it was da l.e.s til they anounced. Hz accent n da vocals sound so u.s. anyway i think dat if it was done by a real americn artist it would b sumwhere on da bilboard top 10.
you saying a south african cant get on the billboards ?
SAfricans can. Fake Americans can't.
Americans would rather listen to a real American, than a South african whose accent cant be placed to any region in America. It confuses them.
then surely a normal south african accent will confuse them too as they wouldn't be able to distinguish it, your argument is flawed
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Heard dat fire song. Soundz so american! I ddnt evn know it was da l.e.s til they anounced. Hz accent n da vocals sound so u.s. anyway i think dat if it was done by a real americn artist it would b sumwhere on da bilboard top 10.
you saying a south african cant get on the billboards ?
SAfricans can. Fake Americans can't.
Americans would rather listen to a real American, than a South african whose accent cant be placed to any region in America. It confuses them.
the surely a south normal south african accent will confuse them too as theywwouldn't be able to distinguish it, your argument is flawed
You're stupidity amazes me. Don't you have to take the camera somewhere?
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lol , forget the typos I'm multitasking, has a south african ever hit the billboards ? whats the highest selling South african album ?
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Steve Hofmeyr.
And I wasn't talking about your typos.
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@ bondizo. Im sayin wat pyro said. i dnt thnk americanz would want 2 listen 2 a fake. They wud rather listen 2 a real american or a real south african. Realy dat song soundz very american. Even tipy toez! 4 sure his whole album sounds lyk dat. I dont know. I dont know if any s.a artist has been on da bilboardz. But soweto gospel choir won a grammy. Do u think da l.e.s could eva win soundin the way he soundz?
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If you talking Air jordans then you know your shit
i know everything from air force 1s right thru to gucci and prada dawg.
i got a pair of bathing ape kicks that i paid 400$ for at a bape store but theres no im wearin them >:( coz these ama kipkip dudes f***ed it up with their fong kongs lol
Hahaha ma bad homez, and niggaz is paying R600 4 bapes and ul neva know the difference. I doubt I woud rock anything by Bape, I would look ridiculous in it, but it works 4 LES. I got the Jordan 1s last week, I think i want the whole collection
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Dawg can you post up a few of your kicks, start a new thread with em
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I dnt mind doin that man but only if other dudes post cause it wud look kinda lame makin a thread like dat.but if u wana see my collect pm me ur email addy
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Heard dat fire song. Soundz so american! I ddnt evn know it was da l.e.s til they anounced. Hz accent n da vocals sound so u.s. anyway i think dat if it was done by a real americn artist it would b sumwhere on da bilboard top 10.
This should make us proud that SA hip hop is in the same level as the Americans
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This thread just won't die, will it?
It should make us embara**ed, cos it just goes to show how far we still have to go, if people insist on measuring our abilities according to American standards.
You'll notice by listening to hip hop from elsewhere in the world that it is always the people who have a unique sound, which is different form the American blueprint, that make it on the international market.
Dj Krush, Mc Solaar, Saiyan Super crew, Ben Sharpa, Zeebra, Kasta etc.
I've spoken to cats from Europe who told me that back home they could hardly fill a nightclub with some cats who rap in English, but could easily sell out a gig within a day for someone rapping in a language that no one understands, simply because they want something new and original.
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so ur sayin heads prefer to listen to hiphop if its in a language they dont understand? :D
anyways, back to LES!
the album is bangin! hands down the best ALBUM RELEASE EVER IN SA!
The fact that he sounds American is a true reflection of PROGRESS!
If u play BBall, u gotta do it like Americans!
If u play soccer u gotta do it like Europeans!
If u a tech geek u gotta do it like Japanese and Americans!
If u a businessman u gotta do like AMERICANS do!
If u an Opera singer u gotta do like an Italian!
If u manufacture cars u gotta do it like GERMANS!
If u a taxi driver u gotta do like ZULU's! ;)
Its business! Sumbody sets the standard! Then u have to meet the same standards! Only then can u IMPROVE the standards!
U cant jus use the excuse that " Im doin it my own original way" jus cos u not up to par with the pace setters!
I think LES is up there with the US cats(pace setters) and this is a f***ing good thing!
He is making US BILLBOARD QUALITY music!
Who else CAN even TRY doin that in SA?
Naaa,yall rather make excuses "We doin SA hiphop,we dont wana sound American = (translation) Man we cant compete with dem niggas, lets jus spit in a language they dont understand as to hide our whackness, n maybe they'll like it cos its DIFFERENT" lol.
Niggas kill me man!
I say! Lets do it EXACTLY LIKE ITS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE! then BETTER!
This SA hiphop artist comfort zone we must discard now,
LETS PLAY WITH THE BIG BOYS!
I mean lol, its funny shit! when POC released and asked on the level of their music compared to the US, cats said SA HIPHOP is still in its BABY STAGE!
When AMU dropped,he said SA HIPHOP is still in its BABY STAGE!
When Skwatta Kamp dropped,they said SA HIPHOP is still in its BABY STAGE!
When proverb,zubs,TT dropped,they said SA HIPHOP is still in its BABY STAGE!
Look at the time line, its more than two decades!
n guess what yall sayin,ummmm? SA HIPHOP is still in its BABY STAGE!
We been in the baby stage dammit!
LES is playin like a man, with the BIG DOGS! no more of this BABY STAGES bullshit!
Props to DA LES for doin it like AMERICANS do it!GROWN FOLKS!
No Props to yall niggas for doin it in ur own unique way,like SA hiphop niggas do it! IN BABY STAGES!
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Cash, sometimes you are so ignorant I'm amazed you're able to breathe una**isted.
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Once again you missed the entire point.
We're not in our baby stages. Far from it. We have artists that can compete on a level far beyond the Americans that you consider hot.
These are the artists that do their own thing instead of trying to compete with the Americans. Even Kweli said it in an interview when he was here in SA.
He also commented on how the Europeans are on a much higher level when it comes to all the elements, simply because their industries,which don't tolerate copy-cat acts, but encourage exploration and being unique.
You'll find that though people can't understand what you're saying, they are very "flow-conscious" and can tell when there is talent or not.
I don;t understand many zulu, sotho and Motswako rappers, but I can tell if they're nice or not. Thats why I like that Lumka track by Jaak and the other dude. Same with What by Konfab and even some HHP tracks.
Stop being a copy cat retard. I don;t even know why I bother respoonding to you, because it is a lost cause. Just keep doing you and be big in Randburg.
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Once again you missed the entire point.
We're not in our baby stages. Far from it. (Cudve fooled me? since eerrbody keeps sayin it) We have artists that can compete on a level far beyond the Americans that you consider hot. - So tell me who u consider to be better than Jay-Z, in SA? ;D Hell, even Memphis Bleek(naw im kidding) ;D
Who better that Kanye?
Who better than Common?
Who better than Outkast?
50 Cent?
Ross?
FAbolous?
Busta Rhymes?
Nigga Please!
These are the artists that do their own thing instead of trying to compete with the Americans. Even Kweli -who????? ;D u mean Talib Kweli,hahahahahahhaa :D waiting for the DJ Kweli? ;D said it in an interview when he was here in SA.
He also commented on how the Europeans are on a much higher level when it comes to all the elements, simply because their industries,which don't tolerate copy-cat acts, but encourage exploration and being unique.
You'll find that though people can't understand what you're saying, they are very "flow-conscious" and can tell when there is talent or not.
I don;t understand many zulu, sotho and Motswako rappers, but I can tell if they're nice or not. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!! so is Hidden Force NICE?
Thats why I like that Lumka track by Jaak and the other dude. hahhahaha! u dont even know the guys name ;D
Same with What by Konfab and even some HHP tracks.
Stop being a copy cat retard. I don;t even know why I bother respoonding to you COS WITHOUT U THERED BE NO ME! UR MY BIGGEST FAN :D, because it is a lost cause. Just keep doing you and be big in Randburg.
look man. lets do it like AMERICANS DAMMIT!
Lets make HITS like DIDDY DO!
Lets get paid like AMERICANS!
Lets drop Cla**ics like AMREICANS do!
Lets get endorsements,sponsorships,TV SHOWS,REality Shows,BIG TOURS,PLATINUM SELLING ALBUMS, LIKE AMERICANS DO!
why settle for, bein broke, having to retire and go back to 9-5's,rap for 10 yrs n still get no love, no corporate backing,etc, like SA's do!
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ps. BIGGEST THREAD EVER!
Fitting for th Greatest Album in SA hiphop history!
Well done LES!
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why settle for, bein broke, having to retire and go back to 9-5's,rap for 10 yrs n still get no love, no corporate backing,etc, like SA's do!
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which SA's are you talking about..? ??? ???
Ben Sharpa on Europen Tour...
Sweat X toured Europe for a good few months...
Ewok just came back from a stint in Germany...
Bra**e Vannie Kaap is performing at the Olympic games...
and none of these people sound American..
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(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r289/explicitsa/battlefield.jpg)
www.loadtheshow.com/show/explicit
Or
www.loadtheshow.com/show/The_Beat_Oven
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Cash, sometimes you are so ignorant I'm amazed you're able to breathe una**isted.
ETHER!!!!
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@EmceeK,theres always exceptions!
Well done to the cats u mentioned for hustling hard!
Im referring to the other 2 million hiphop cats in SA! ;)
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why settle for, bein broke, having to retire and go back to 9-5's,rap for 10 yrs n still get no love, no corporate backing,etc, like SA's do!
which SA's are you talking about..? ??? ???
Ben Sharpa on Europen Tour...
Sweat X toured Europe for a good few months...
Ewok just came back from a stint in Germany...
Bra**e Vannie Kaap is performing at the Olympic games...
and none of these people sound American..
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and the cats that try to be on the american ishh, have they been to europe or even toured the country they trying to emulate?
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and the cats that try to be on the american ishh, have they been to europe or even toured the country they trying to emulate?
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well.. thats what I meant really. Think about the 2010 world cup.. Tons of foreign peeps come through only to find pseud0 Americans in Africa.. I would be dissapointed..
Tumi, Zubz, Nthabi, Godessa, Zuluboy, Amu etc etc... these people have all had successful stints overseas... no American traits exhibited..
If you've actually been to America... you will see that its really not a nation worth worshipping or aspiring to on any level...
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Tumi, Zubz, Nthabi, Godessa, Zuluboy, Amu etc etc... these people have all had successful stints overseas... no American traits exhibited..
They dont even sound South African- none of them, maybe Bernie from Godessa, but thats about it!
...sorry to say
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Tumi, Zubz, Nthabi, Godessa, Zuluboy, Amu etc etc... these people have all had successful stints overseas... no American traits exhibited..
They dont even sound South African- none of them, maybe Bernie from Godessa, but thats about it!
...sorry to say
Well my sister Zuluboy is as South African as Mqombothi, Mgodu, wors etc.....dude is the absolute truth!
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tumi and zubs definitely sounds american.
nthabi and zuluboy have american flows,but switched up the accents to deliberately sound south african.
Amu deliberately spits to sound south african,when u actually talk to dude, he has a HEAVY american accent and uses american slang.
now, i actually admire tumi and zubz american accents,they just lack GEAR,SLANG and SUBJECT MATTER more related to the US!
Name ANY SA RAPPER! they all got US traits! Stop fronting!
Even BVK,the accent is VERY South African, but at the end of the day they BBoying,Pants is saggin,they rockin doo rags n chains,they walk like niggas,look like niggas,rap like niggas(FLOW).the accent does not cancel out all that!
We all cloning the shit to a certain degree! Its natural! We look at US for DIRECTION! they STARTED THIS SHIT! of course we follow, cos they been LEADING THE WAY FOR US!
Its simple as learning to write! If ur a writer,best beleive u will mimic great writers! who happen to be American or British! even if u write about SA, ur writing it in a American or British way,cos u take the influences and do you!
Hip hop is no different! Lets take the influences,embrace them, and do US! but lets not now jus go WHATEVER DIRECTION WE WANT with it! lets follow the leaders! catch up to the leaders! then become the leaders! not PRETEND TO BE LEADERS OF SOMETHING NEW!
Shits BEEN around! Its NOT NEW!
Ben Sharpa got lots of AMERICAN INFLUENCES in his raps! Stop fronting people. There are TONS of US cats doin what all these cats yall mentioned are doin! they been doin it! but they underground so most peeps dont know about em!
Its easy to point out where DA LES is takin his influences, cos the niggas he's catchin up to are FAMOUS! theyre MAINSTREAM!
Its harder to find Zubz influences cos the dudes he catchin up to are underground! most general public dont know em!
but the point is! name any SA rapper, and we will be able to trace the niggas DADDY ;)
we all come from sum American rappers Nutsack ;) MO HOMO
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Tumi, Zubz, Nthabi, Godessa, Zuluboy, Amu etc etc... these people have all had successful stints overseas... no American traits exhibited..
They dont even sound South African- none of them, maybe Bernie from Godessa, but thats about it!
...sorry to say
Well my sister Zuluboy is as South African as Mqombothi, Mgodu, wors etc.....dude is the absolute truth!
exactly... seriously SMH @ anyone who thinks Zuluboy sounds American... Zubz American... Amu American..? Eish... Actually neither does Nthabi or Godessa... EJ von Lyric doesnt sound American.. neither does Lady of shame... Tumi grew up there. So thats obvious. Enis.. you must be smoking some pretty strong iddish..
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french rappers dont SOUND american!
but they LOOK american! and generally do things the way AMERICANS do it!
Thats why i like em f***s!
It aint a issue there rockin an NY FITTED!
they luv they NY FITTEDS!
ps.EmceeK, EVEN U SOUND AMERICAN MAN! ;D
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Tumi, Zubz, Nthabi, Godessa, Zuluboy, Amu etc etc... these people have all had successful stints overseas... no American traits exhibited..
They dont even sound South African- none of them, maybe Bernie from Godessa, but thats about it!
...sorry to say
Well my sister Zuluboy is as South African as Mqombothi, Mgodu, wors etc.....dude is the absolute truth!
exactly... seriously SMH @ anyone who thinks Zuluboy sounds American... Zubz American... Amu American..? Eish... Actually neither does Nthabi or Godessa... EJ von Lyric doesnt sound American.. neither does Lady of shame... Tumi grew up there. So thats obvious. Enis.. you must be smoking some pretty strong iddish..
i didnt say anything bout sounding American, i said that they dont sound South African! the first time i heard Godessa, i thought they werent from here, till that Bernie girl started tongue rolling, Tumi def dont sound SA (so y u mention him them?) Nthabi (now she sounds AMERICAN hands down)
(never heard Zuluboy rap)
even Ben Sharpa doesnt sound SA
but that doesnt mean i dont like them, im just saying yo!
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lol. guys just admit it!
we all influenced by sum US CAT!
we cum from American NUTS ;D
Ben Sharpa sounded American as f*** on Emcee Africa! lmao!
Nthabi tries to add a bit of a SA accent on top of her US influenced accent, but cmon, dont she cum from Lady of Rage/ra-digga's Coochie?
lol. im jus being humourous peeple! pls im not tryin to diss nobody or offend! im jus making the point that EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF THE HIPHOP COMMUNITY EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD IS UNFLUENCED BY AMERICAN HIPHOP IN A MAJOR WAY!whether extremely obvious or after deep inspection!
We all jus a American busted nut at the end of the day!
Now say hi to DADDY! ;D
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I think being an SA rapper and repping the SA accent thing is kinda hard,
cause if u from the suburbs you sound kinda English,
if you from here you sorta roll your tongue, which can me misunderstood as sounding American...so this is really a loosing battle!
but i would have to say Hymphatic/Snazz/Zubs/Eavesdrop/HHP etc have a distinct SA accent
@ Cash, what is an american flow?
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ps.EmceeK, EVEN U SOUND AMERICAN MAN! ;D
thats funny. Cos all along while I was in the states they thought I sounded British..
I guess they dont know their accent as well as you do!..
At the end of the day. Only people rhyming to represent their region sound South African (eg. Jaak, BVK, HHP, Morafe)... The problem is that we dont embrace our own sound.. we have self-hate...
Ben Sharpa grew up in Illinois..
hence the accent.
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ps.EmceeK, EVEN U SOUND AMERICAN MAN! ;D
thats funny. Cos all along while I was in the states they thought I sounded British..
I guess they dont know their accent as well as you do!..
At the end of the day. Only people rhyming to represent their region sound South African (eg. Jaak, BVK, HHP, Morafe)... The problem is that we dont embrace our own sound.. we have self-hate...
Ben Sharpa grew up in Illinois..
hence the accent.
U sound British too!(the light british accent tho, not the Daaayvid Bechyam accent) lol.
U sound American and British!
thats the best way to describe the general english SA rapper accent i think!
The vernac guys(Zulu) all sound like Redman with a toothache!
The motswako cats all sound like a bad Sadat X/Mase with piles!
The Xhosa guys jus sound disturbing!
Afrikaans cats sound SCARY
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thats what I mean by self hate...
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;D dont front man!
I aint never hated on my own!
i luv my peoples. kwaito is nice in zulu,motswako,etc.
Afrikaans music is great when ur sitting at a rugby match and Braai'ing some wors!
N local cats with heavy US accents is great when rappin on a crunk beat!
are u sayin we SELF HATERS cos we rather wear american brands and eat american food and watch american movies, instead of lovin our own n rockin loins, eat mogudu and f*** movies, WE WATCHIN THE CRICKETS play outside? lol.
everything we do is AMERICAN!
All of Sunday HIPHOP is the only sacred thing that cannot be done like AMERICA? u trippin man!
all ur daily routines and habbits stem from the american lifestlye. hiphop included!
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i sure hope errody understand sthat im jus playin n we really arent arguing about sumn so petty like who SOUNDS american. lol.
Super Lol.@ Emceek, backtracking like a maf***er!
First he say Tumi,Ben Sharpa,dont sound american!
Then goes back and says" YES,THEY DO, they have lived there so of course they do! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D"
hahahaha! hilarious man! u kinda sounded like Happy Sindane for a moment!
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cash... I said Tumi & Ben Sharpa had toured overseas...
go back and read it again...
eish...
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;D Nigga Please ;D
First U Said "they do not have american accents" :
EXHIBIT A :
Ben Sharpa on Europen Tour...
Sweat X toured Europe for a good few months...
Ewok just came back from a stint in Germany...
Bra**e Vannie Kaap is performing at the Olympic games...
and none of these people sound American..
EXHIBIT B:
Tumi, Zubz, Nthabi, Godessa, Zuluboy, Amu etc etc... these people have all had successful stints overseas... no American traits exhibited..
Then u pulled a "MINI COOPER TO SPAR" and said "yes they do have american accents ":
EXHIBIT A(revisited)
Ben Sharpa grew up in Illinois..
hence the accent.
EXHIBIT B(revisited)
Tumi grew up there. So thats obvious.
Hahahahahahhaa! Are u and a certain new AG newbie related? cos yall ethering yaselves like a maf***a ;D ;D ;D ;D
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BOYZ WILL BE BOYZ ;D
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Crackboys that is ;)
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2008 To DO list:
- Write a Diss Track to Emcee Casual T for starting Da Les thread
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Crackboys that is ;)
Then Crack it is.....
Does a** crack count ;)
JOKES!!!!
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@ Cash
Hype finally forced me to hear u on wax..
are u the cat on the 2nd verse?
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if ur referring to ROCKSTARS!
I am "on the beat and the HOOK!"
ON VERSES :
so fresh is on first
" ...man im a dog, u can check the fleas/
n im always in the kitchen wit dem recipes!/
then koli
"..so what it is homey, u handle ya biz homey?/
the pistol got love that'll leave ya lil bitch lonely/
then k dubz
"...gimme dat deal,lemme eat lemme get a meal/
lemme get sum wheels,lemme pay my baby momma bills/
and k9
"...I got a dream lil nigga, not a dream like Pro/
Tick Tick BOOM! Pedigree gon Blow!
what u think of the track man!
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casual t will strangle your moms with his beard.
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if ur referring to ROCKSTARS!
I am "on the beat and the HOOK!"
ON VERSES :
so fresh is on first
" ...man im a dog, u can check the fleas/
n im always in the kitchen wit dem recipes!/
then koli
"..so what it is homey, u handle ya biz homey?/
the pistol got love that'll leave ya lil bitch lonely/
then k dubz
"...gimme dat deal,lemme eat lemme get a meal/
lemme get sum wheels,lemme pay my baby momma bills/
and k9
"...I got a dream lil nigga, not a dream like Pro/
Tick Tick BOOM! Pedigree gon Blow!
what u think of the track man!
can i add something in here too.
quickly puts together some bling...grabs the dog chain and hooks it onto a pan...nigga i'm ballin...i can't be the odd one out you know...here goes
yo. yo. yo.
my shyt is so up n down like the yo yo
i'm dressed in blue like the popo
this crew is gay you have every right to call them homo
drops the mic...and does a crack peddler lean back...WORD:)
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2008 To DO list:
- Write a Diss Track to Emcee Casual T for starting Da Les thread
LOL, nyambo rappin, yho. nah kid lets just leave it to working the desk, rather commision lez 2 do the job 4 u
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hahaha.. Haterz
Papercutt and I are going to record a killa song soon.
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2008 To DO list:
- Write a Diss Track to Emcee Casual T for starting Da Les thread
Ja Nyambz i feel you on that one cuz i'm tired of this thread too!
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if ur referring to ROCKSTARS!
I am "on the beat and the HOOK!"
ON VERSES :
so fresh is on first
" ...man im a dog, u can check the fleas/
n im always in the kitchen wit dem recipes!/
then koli
"..so what it is homey, u handle ya biz homey?/
the pistol got love that'll leave ya lil bitch lonely/
then k dubz
"...gimme dat deal,lemme eat lemme get a meal/
lemme get sum wheels,lemme pay my baby momma bills/
and k9
"...I got a dream lil nigga, not a dream like Pro/
Tick Tick BOOM! Pedigree gon Blow!
what u think of the track man!
can i add something in here too.
quickly puts together some bling...grabs the dog chain and hooks it onto a pan...nigga i'm ballin...i can't be the odd one out you know...here goes
yo. yo. yo.
my shyt is so up n down like the yo yo
i'm dressed in blue like the popo
this crew is gay you have every right to call them homo
drops the mic...and does a crack peddler lean back...WORD:)
Its that CCCRRRAck!!!!
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LOL !!! ;D
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;D lol@ Virgin p. ur more than welcome to join the crew with Pyro. We will upgrade your writing skills.lol
what did you think of the track?
Im just trying to establish if its a potential single ;D
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I am serious when I say, that with the exception of maybe Koli and K9, Virginpussy and I could be better emcees than all the crackboys.
i haven't written a rhyme in almost 5 years, but I could do better than Kewpid and those other cats.
Maybe me and VP should join, but then I'd have to bang my head into a wall a few times to lower my IQ.
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I am serious when I say, that with the exception of maybe Koli and K9, Virginpussy and I could be better emcees than all the crackboys.
i haven't written a rhyme in almost 5 years, but I could do better than Kewpid and those other cats.
Maybe me and VP should join, but then I'd have to bang my head into a wall a few times to lower my IQ.
thats the mistake most ppl make. its not just about emceeing, you need the pretty boys to draw attention aswell
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How about getting a pretty boy with talent?
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eish...
a ninja dissapears for a morning and I got my jock stuck down crackboy throat..
My empasis was on the idea that these peeps dont need to 'Do the Homie American' as you have suggested. If u know sharpa like I do from '96 , then you'll know that he sounded hella American when he was fresh off the boat compared to '08. Thats all I meant. You know Sharpa thru the media. I know him personally.
Same with Tumi. We went on tour to Norway with Tumi... he was staying next door to El-P and Aesop Rock. Listen to El-P and Aesop Rock talk... then listen to Tumi... tell me who sounds American. The closest you've come to Tumi is him kicking you off stage.. but its fine.. he sounds American compared to the rest of the local emcees. Which is the only place u do shows.. so thats all u have to compare it to. Im talking global shit here holmes..
either way. Doesnt change the fact that I disagree with your idea that we should all strive to be more American. Why do u wanna be American? U havent even set foot in the states.
Remember when u asked me to crit your album you gave me a while ago...? The first thing I said is... 'this doesnt sound like its from here'.. U say u rep the EC but u dont sound like it. I said if you wanna go global.. be who you are... You have chosen to ignore the advice and hence you're not doing global shit. U're local.. like bad weed. BVK dont even rhyme in English.. they're in China right now performing at the Olympics. Where are the crackboyz..?
They're coming off like a low budget Dipset right now. Which I told you too when I gave u the crit. One show the whole year.. from which they get kicked off stage...? Is this where being American is supposed to get u? C'mon holmes..
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eish...
a ninja dissapears for a morning and I got my jock stuck down crackboy throat..
My empasis was on the idea that these peeps dont need to 'Do the Homie American' as you have suggested. If u know sharpa like I do from '96 , then you'll know that he sounded hella American when he was fresh off the boat compared to '08. Thats all I meant. You know Sharpa thru the media. I know him personally.
Same with Tumi. We went on tour to Norway with Tumi... he was staying next door to El-P and Aesop Rock. Listen to El-P and Aesop Rock talk... then listen to Tumi... tell me who sounds American. The closest you've come to Tumi is him kicking you off stage.. but its fine.. he sounds American compared to the rest of the local emcees. Which is the only place u do shows.. so thats all u have to compare it to. Im talking global shit here holmes..
either way. Doesnt change the fact that I disagree with your idea that we should all strive to be more American. Why do u wanna be American? U havent even set foot in the states.
Remember when u asked me to crit your album you gave me a while ago...? The first thing I said is... 'this doesnt sound like its from here'.. U say u rep the EC but u dont sound like it. I said if you wanna go global.. be who you are... You have chosen to ignore the advice and hence you're not doing global shit. U're local.. like bad weed. BVK dont even rhyme in English.. they're in China right now performing at the Olympics. Where are the crackboyz..?
They're coming off like a low budget Dipset right now. Which I told you too when I gave u the crit. One show the whole year.. from which they get kicked off stage...? Is this where being American is supposed to get u? C'mon holmes..
Done... End conversation right here.
:D
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;D so u mad cos i exposed ur back peddlin ;D
sorry man ;D but all i did was show u what u typed. dot be mad :-*
lol. we all tryin to be American man! its a reality! the way we talk,dress,eat,our hobbies,the trends we follow,the tv shows we watch.etc.its beyond hiphop,its a WORLD TREND!
I guess HIDING THAT FACT makes u more South African nowadays. lmao.
U say we a low budget Dipset,
name any SA crew or rapper, and we can point out who he/they is the low budget version of too ;D ;D easy.
Matter fact SA HIPHOP as a whole is a low budget version of American hiphop. so really u aint sayin nothin new. we all aware of that.
like i said,im not attackin Ben n Tumi,or anyone else who has a american accent,so it really doesnt matter whether i know them personally or thru media. either way they sound American.
And its pointless sayin "Compared to a local cat they sound American, but compared to an American cat, they sound South African." hahahaha! cmon man,relax!
El P and Aesop Rock sound retarded anyways ;D ;D ;D ;D
What ur sayin is like sayin "In Queenstown, happy sindane is rich talented and ballin outta control compared to niggas there!" Bottom line - he still broke! :D u get me?
Im cool with them dudes sounding American, in fact, i support it and i give them props for sounding American! U heard "Yo Sharpa, keep soundin like how u did fresh off the boat. Its okay!!! i support u nyuggga"
ps. One performance is good man! we got more than what we bargained for as far as exposure! in fact we got more exposure than cats whove done 20 shows this yr. its all good! and that was actually our 1rst show! and we damn near turned the game upside down with all the tumbling that went down with us on stage for like what a minute and a half? lol.
i mean we not losing any money from not doin shows, cos local cats mostly do shows for free anyways :) its all good, really!
I aint gon front tho. The UG cats seem to have Europe on lock and we jus not heading that direction with our music so we fallin back on Europe right now! ;D Respec to dem niggas hittin europe tho!!! keep doin it! in fact,stay in europe n rep the flag!
n i love BVK man, specially the FAT DUDE, nigga funny and entertaining. n they do a lot of uplifting work for their community.
Its what veterans shud do!
If only more cats cud quit tryin to steal the shine from the youngns n do like BVK and help out!
we only 5 months in the game. u cant critisize us for not having euro bookings! lol. yall have too much high expectations damn! let us take it slow. :-*
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;D Nigga Please ;D
First U Said "they do not have american accents" :
EXHIBIT A :
Ben Sharpa on Europen Tour...
Sweat X toured Europe for a good few months...
Ewok just came back from a stint in Germany...
Bra**e Vannie Kaap is performing at the Olympic games...
and none of these people sound American..
EXHIBIT B:
Tumi, Zubz, Nthabi, Godessa, Zuluboy, Amu etc etc... these people have all had successful stints overseas... no American traits exhibited..
EXHIBIT A(revisited)
Ben Sharpa grew up in Illinois..
hence the accent.
EXHIBIT B(revisited)
Tumi grew up there. So thats obvious.
You know what, i picked that up to, i was gonna say something,
but i decided to fall terug!
*SMH @ THIS THREAD FOR REAL...*
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It's amazing how many US & European influences local heads have and try to act as if they are original. Be it Mcs, B Boys or Producers. People often attack those who sound like commercial US acts. yet US slang, etc is not a problem so long as you dont sound like 50, but sound like Vast Aire or Immortal Tech or some other underground rapper.
By the way, I dont think we'll ever reach consensus on what is a South African accent for MCs rapping in English. Confused as to whether i should say a South African English accent. Is there such a thing?
As much as Izithunywa is dope and authentic, we cant all sound like that. We from different backgrounds, preferences and have different views about hip hop. No need to diss eac other. Do you! If i listen to Tumi / Ben Sharpa / Proverb some friends of mine who are not heads, normally aske. "are these guys south african?" . Some would say "you still listening to this American nonsense" . they would say the same thing about Zubz, Nthabi, Goddesa, to them local hip hop means rapping in local (Indigenous SAfrican) languages. The point i'm making is that it's all about interpretation and preferences.
Just let people be who they want to be. I cant belive that people still fight over accents and dress codes. in 2008! 15 years ago, heads had to deal with the same ish from the general public. Now we are doing it to the youngsters. dissing their gear , music, etc. That's self hate right there Kasual T.
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look mayne. I get mad over serious shit... like the f***er who scrathed my car or the promoter who books me for a show and acts sheisty.. this is just entertaining really..
Dont dictate my emphasis to me. Im not Kewpid. Like I said... ur urging us to sound American... Im asking where its got you.. you're telling me ONE SHOW!...And lets be honest.. that show was a charity event meaning anyone coulda got put on for it. So in effect .. the past seven months have seen not ONE promoter actually book you for a show. Thats laughable fam.
And to add insult to injury.. my 'backtracking' is said out of personal experience. Khotso (sharpa) was my older bros roomate at Varsity... if you'd heard him then and now.. u would understand that he sounds a shitload less American than ever. Where were u at the concert on the Mount at UCT ? U were in high school...Godessa.. I rhymed with Eloise on POC joints... I battled lady of Shame at Angels.. I rhymed with Nthabi on D's show.. we shared a stage with Zuluboy at the Rand Easter show. Real life experience.. not what I saw on TV.. the problem I have with your opinion is that you're basing things youre saying on what the media has fed u.. u havent walked those streets yet. The empasis is that there are promoters out there who actually cared enough to book these people offshore..
which is more than we can say for your opinion. Not one promoter even in SA? C'mon man..
The sad part is that you're dragging all your ninjas down with you. You got more exposure off that one show... ?have u read the HYPE thread where Mizi said that its f***ers who are performing just for exposure draggin the game down? Clearly not... whos backtracking now... cos u were all over Mizis nuts agreeing over there too...?
Afrikaans emcees sound horrible according to you... but you love BVK. And on on Mr Fat. Dont speak ill of the dead. You see the thing you dont understand ... when you get on AG and you talk shit about cats you dont like or you consider old or not flashy or whatever.. you dont realize that theres people on here who actually know these people personally.. and I can sit back and watch you talk shit about my friends because its AG and Im not an internet thug.. but only for so long..
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Merch.. I dont hate on anyone...
but the proofs in the pudding...
I got a demo tape once from some kid I didnt know called Young Zooloo.. he was down with the crackboyz at the time. I never got a chance to tell him not to sound so angry on tracks.. just my opinion. I got a cd from cash to crit. I told him my opinion.. exactly what I been saying here. If you dont want my opinion .. then dont give me your shit to crit. If I had hate I woulda said 'f*** off'... In fact Im tryna put people on by letting whoever of my people listen to it... In addition.. Ive given the material to DJ's and said.. heres a new crew... listen to them..play them.. the DJs laughed at me..
The accent thing... look.. Im not gonna dictate to you how to sound.. but when you go and tell a guy who speaks Afrikaans and rhymes in Afrikaans that he wont get anywhere because of that. Thats hate. Because I know people who rhyme in Afrikaans and theres people who love it...As hip-hop heads... what you really want is for someone to hear an SA and be like..'he's from SA'... a disctinct sound.. we dont have that right now... saying to people 'be as American as possible' isnt the solution.. Look at the Motswako movement... they're doing it... they've created their own niche... And I guess you could argue that the young whipper-snappers are all suburban anyway and they want something as close to suburb English as possible.. that I can buy.. not a blanket 'Be American'..
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;D Nigga Please ;D
First U Said "they do not have american accents" :
EXHIBIT A :
Ben Sharpa on Europen Tour...
Sweat X toured Europe for a good few months...
Ewok just came back from a stint in Germany...
Bra**e Vannie Kaap is performing at the Olympic games...
and none of these people sound American..
EXHIBIT B:
Tumi, Zubz, Nthabi, Godessa, Zuluboy, Amu etc etc... these people have all had successful stints overseas... no American traits exhibited..
EXHIBIT A(revisited)
Ben Sharpa grew up in Illinois..
hence the accent.
EXHIBIT B(revisited)
Tumi grew up there. So thats obvious.
You know what, i picked that up to, i was gonna say something,
but i decided to fall terug!
*SMH @ THIS THREAD FOR REAL...*
the hilarious part is dude is mad at me now ;D
all i did was expose his "Mad Rapper" moment ;D ;D
now dude slandering the Crackboys like tehy did sum wrong!
Where is the love :D
ps. i was giving Mr Fat props man! he a great activist for hiphop!
No ill word at all!
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1.Motswako is Motswako, not hiphop!
theyve stated it clearly.
Jabba said - Its a melting pot of different music, including hiphop.
Its not primarily hiphop!
2.Ive taken ur opinion into practical implementation and have learned a lot from what uv shared with me.
3.there is no backpeddling from my side.
The show was for a good cause! Of course we werent gonna demand a fee! are u sayin that Mizi is backpeddlin cos they requested us to perform for free, now he's sayin "dont perform for free"? is he a hypocrite? ;D it was for a good cause!
u see u are gettin mad and making things personal, but who did i talk shit about?
And if i did, u talk shit about the niggas in my circles all the time!!!! dont u think i also know "Bape,Amakipkip wearing,fitted cap doo rag,flossy type niggas" personally as well!? U DISSIN EM ALL THE f***ING TIME!!!! BUT I GUESS ITS OKAY!
So ur sayin its okay for u to diss people i know personally, but its not okay for me to just "question" cats u know personally?
eish! thats double standards from wherever u stand! thats REAL SELF HATE!
I did not even diss B.Sharpa n Tumi, i jus POINTED out that u said they dont have American accents. Then u switched n said they DO!(u acting like im dissing him by sayin "he got an american accent" im actually encouraging him to keep it up :)
how is that a diss? and so what if u know them personally, i did not insult them in any way? u still said what u said! and all i did was point it out! Enis noticed it too! ;D
I did not diss Mr Fat either!(i appreciated his humour and noble work - how is taht a diss?)
is it a diss to afrikaans rappers if i personally wud never listen through a verse in Afrikaans? its my preference? i aint feelin the language. its not apartheid anymore, i dont have to pretend to feel the language if i dont.
u dont dig that swagg type crunk shit! im not insulted by that! i cant force u to dig it if u dont!
Pls treat us the same, cos im sittin back n listening to u talk shit bout the new generation of niggas too,but only for so long...
so really,enough with the double standards, f*** dude.lol. we work in the same building. no need for beef!
Ag is for discussion and debate! thats what were doing and im 99% of the time laughing my a** off,makin jokes,speaking from my point of view,and respecting everyone elses.
U cant get upset cos u "had a Mad Rapper moment" and got ETHERED TODAY ;D
See u tomorrow man ;) im out.gotta hit the gym
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WHY THE f*** SHOULD WE EMBRACE AMERICA?
just because they started it doesnt mean you need to "pay them back".
my accent is plain up lost, i dont what the f*** it is...but i think cash is trippin.
and one question, why isnt kasual t hooking me up with all these media connects of his? why isnt he helping me get rich? i need some lime light too..just cause i dont use samples anymore doesnt mean i'm not sexy.
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WHY THE f*** SHOULD WE EMBRACE AMERICA?
just because they started it doesnt mean you need to "pay them back".
my accent is plain up lost, i dont what the f*** it is...but i think cash is trippin.
and one question, why isnt kasual t hooking me up with all these media connects of his? why isnt he helping me get rich? i need some lime light too..just cause i dont use samples anymore doesnt mean i'm not sexy.
I just want EQUALITY, and cats to be treated fairly.
For yall cats is fair to say "f*** Da Les, listening to his album is like a** f***ing another man(Pyro).
But when i say" Man Tumi's album is boring as f***, listening to his album is like a** f***ing another man(Pyro).
Niggas start takin it personally!
Thats bullshit!
***Look out for The Monopoly's long awaited album comin soon***
***Look out for MY MIXTAPE - CASHflow - I begin work today***
GET IT CRACKING VOL.2 THE MIXTAPE COMING
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[el-producto]
Do you know who you are..
Do you know who you are f***ing with?
Do you know, the access, to weapons, money and power
That we have? we will f***ing kill you!
Im the ugliest version of pa**ed down toxic capitalist
Rapid emcee perversion -- Im america!
Your bleeding-heart liberal drivel gets squashed
Wash em with sterilized rhyme patriot-guided weaponry bomb
From the makers of the devious hearts -- Im america!
You bitchy little dogs dont even phase my basic policy
The bombs smarter, my ronald reagans crush carter
With bay of pig tactics makin young men into martyrs
(come on down!) come to my happy promised land
Smiley faced opportunity cypher
And jump on the coflow pension plan
A proletariat, crushing state of the union
Between serpentine words and ma** confusion
Of media controlled blurb advertising disillusionment
Your family will love my low-rent, low-life
No-brain, reality-dagger, movement
Hop over the border for amusement; try to test the waters
That the other slaughter crews pay all the usance
You up against -- jesus freak, formin corporations in young republicans
Indelible nato force hidden agenda, puppet governments
Im lovin it! keep the people guessin who Im runnin with
Control the population and hide behind sacred covenants
f***in with me? !? ! means liberal wildlife burnin, gasoline seized
And an automagnetic third world printed with metal plates in they knees
Cant you hear the disenchanted, hide the scream of
Gabriels reflected new wind instrument, a judgment played in flat c
I replace humans like robots in a gm factory (warning! warning!)
Then explore metaphors to sweat shops, cause the price is satisfactory
Your pious little cries of injustice get met with apathy (awww, shucks!)
Soak, cloak, hormone injected dairy product
And conservative right-wing anti-eroticism; the poisonous
Resevoirs and power lines in your neighborhood cause botchilism
Senseless! join the census, censorship sentences sentence
Triple-felon citizen paid pennance!
Dissension against c-f ends in, penetentiary residence
Lock em up first, then ask questions
Omniscient presence, my charm is the weapon
With cameras mics and satellites that leave privacy breathless
You dont even know the chemicals youve ingested
Urine tested -- beat innocent man til he confesses
Whos america? whos america? whos america? whos america?
Whos america? whos america? whos america? whos america?
[el-p] Im america! Im america! Im america! mr. len, get busy on em!
* dj mr. len the space ghost cuts up God damn!! *
[el-producto]
Im america arrogant!! terminus verbal curfew murders
You either purchase my products or youre worthless, thats my service!
Dont look into the oculars of a daylight saver
Erase your city head and momument defacer comprising of
Patriot droids, sent into the void with lead linings
Employed by the bureaucrats of automatic twisted rhyme timing
Youre guaranteed nothing but my fat little finger
That lingers one inch off of the big button -- lets start this!
Im saran gas, hide in your apartments
Im stealth like a robot hidden in the fat a**hole of cartman
And give a crippling f*** like sand sharkskin condom
To your apparent vaginal problem - the hottest shit on soundbombing
Im american til infinite justice measure to pesticide cemetary
Invite you to cross the border then shit on your divinities
What language is that? Im angusih in fact, tangle with a
Star-spangled standard issue gat for crowd management
Talk loud and get enshrouded in a hot cloud of hara**ment
By the crowd force of my mental pedestrian checker,
That smashes subordinate skulls and update the file in your dental records
You tryin to get a light but yet the crowd is my paid hecklers (boo! boo!)
You just stepped into the spectrum of paranoid word rainbows
Thinkin you sick with a sihlouette, burn transit cop out his plain clothes
Im america!! this is where the pain grows like poppies
In a field of dreams I paid for, Ill burn it down if operated sloppily
Copy? my economic sanction rhyme style got your syllables
Scraping for rice and riding in a pre-1960 jalopy
My favorite flavour of gas is mustard
Im f***in a blind hermaphrodite icon and convincin you that its justice!
Whos america? whos america? whos america? whos america?
* dj mr. len the space ghost cuts up God damn!! *
[el-producto]
Treason will not be tolerated!
You have been enlisted.. into a lifestyle that you may not change!
Understand! you cant be happy.. and smile.. for the cameras!
Motherf***er!
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f*** company flow! where are my media connects?????????????????? >:( >:(
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all im sayin is that when u chop n paste my shit n point out that i contradicted myself - its cool.
but heaven help me if i do it ;D
lol.Mad Rapper retired and ur his replacement? WTF ;D
Jokes man!
Its all in good spirit.
U see(not directed at MCKas,but to all older generation niggas!), for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction! This is the law that all life(or science of life) is based upon.
So if u out there dissin the new school, there will be sumone out there dissin the oldschool!
If u out there sayin hiphop is dead,theres sumone out there sayin ITS NOT!
If u feel disrespected by sumthin sumbody said, sumbody out there is feelin disrespected by sumthin U SAID!
The only way we can have equilibrium(or peace), is if we accept that fact! instead of wanting everything to be seen YOUR WAY ONLY! theres always two sides to a coin.
YALL ALL ARE SITTIN ON THE TOP SIDE, I AM ON THE BOTTOM. But the coin will inevitably flip eventually. cos im chillin on the bottom side gettin stronger n stronger n eventually, i will be on the top side! until sumbody else on the bottom inevitably topples me over!
the only difference is....I aint mad at that nigga! im encouraging him!
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WHY THE f*** SHOULD WE EMBRACE AMERICA?
just because they started it doesnt mean you need to "pay them back".
We should embrace America because they are the forefather of our nuts! They have given us such illustrious phrases as 'hungry like a South African with flies around the mouth' courtesy of one Lloyd Banks. Or they call our women Umfumfu and ask 'why you treat me like animal?'...© Camel... in addition obviously to doo-rags, George Bush and higher petrol preices... How could you hate on that Space...?
@ cash.. I hear you. Im just tryna understand the end result of your suggestions. Thats all. I dont know anyone else who advocates being/acting American so.. you're the only source I have to see where this can lead us really...
And since this thread refuses to die.. Imma give you (and Enis) more contradictory statements to go on since it seems to have made your day: Ben Sharpa has an American accent. Ben Sharpa does not have an American accent. I like to listen to some new age youngster emcees. I do not like to listen to some new age youngster emcees. Last time I spoke to Lance he said he was worried about Ghetto Ruff because all his top kwaito acts have left and he's left with groups not making any money. Last time I spoke to Lance he said he's not worried about GR cos all his top kwaito acts have left and he's left with groups that may achieve certified brick status..
did u see that?...lol... I've got more if you want... so holler...
In todays rap climate.. you need good lyrics to be a successful artist...
In todays rap climate.. you do not need good lyrics to be a successful artist...
lol.. I could do this all day..
Thats the beauty of starting a thread... you can defacate wherever you want on it. You can do like Rick Ross and C.O.ntradict yourself where you want...
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Its funny tho, when South Africans like the Crackboys rap in English and swag we tryna be American.
@ Cash good point about French hip hop, 90 % of french rappers aint even french, they other from Senegal, DRC, Gabon or Algeria, thats Africa niggaz, but they still fall under the french hip hop umbrella, can anybody explain that. Booba rocks NY fitteds in like every video nobody questions that.
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Maybe we should come up with a new category of music for artists from South Africa who want to sound American?
"...and the SAMA for Best Song by a South African Immitating an American goes to...."
:)
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f*** company flow! where are my media connects?????????????????? >:( >:(
Ok f*** it... lets just keep the thread rolling. Imma retire once it reached 10 stacks of views.
Who you tryna get hold of doggie?
My older bro's got a rolodex with all types of media maggots.. every single magazine.. TV producer.. etc etc in Jozi.. holler with who u want...
And in other LES related news... theres this faggoty pseudo journalist on the Internets who was trying to get LES to do an interview a day or 2 ago... Apparently LES's management wanted to get paid for the interview... what the f***ery? Either the albums doing so well they have elevated the celeb status to chargin for interviews... Or maybe its the opposite.. I cant call it..
@ French.. like I said. I dont hate the crackboyz.. If anything I made a lot of people aware about u cats who werent, even if Im not a fan.... and since u think Im hating.. I got back to my crib the day cash gave me the DVD.. and who was there?... Pabi Moloi, Kagiso Lediga, Loy some other comedians etc.. How did my older bro end up in ur second DVD? Cos I gave cash his contact. No sweat. I went to Botswana the other year and I'll let u know this.. you guys could do well there. The whole countrys hip-hop scene is practically American. Im not dissing because I wanna get personal... it was on topic.. like.. Im willing to even consider cash's idea.. Im willing to record an album sounding as American as possible.. but if I get one charity show a year out of it... Im showing up at your doorstep...
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I aint tokin bout you Kasual T, I got respect for you, was tokin in general.
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the reason why im advokatin the America thing is simple!
"IM SPEAKING TO EVERYONE HERE-NOT JUS MY BIGGSET FAN..u no who ;D"
heres the situation in a SIMPLIFIED EXAMPLE!
We are all faggots on Africas Gayway(lets a**ume this is a fact)
But now,the older faggots have found ways hiding the fact that they are faggots. they are in the CLOSET! on the outside,they are anti FAGGOT in every way possible!
then come the new generation FAGGOTS! they are OPEN,publicly,and appearance wise,the way they speak,etc. openly SAY THEY ARE FAGS!
The old fags are intimidated by this!they are scared so they start treating the new fags differently(create double standards).
they pretend they are the "know it all" fags, and the new fgs are the "DUMBED DOWN" fags.
But at the end of the day,they all get dick in the a**! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I had to put it in a way that all Agians will understand.apologies if i offended anyone! :D
-What im sayin is, JUST THE f***IN FACT THAT U INTO HIPHOP MEANS U ARE INFLUENCED BY AMERICA!!!!!!
Dont come here and say "Actually the reason i got into hiphop was when i heard Hidden Force's Tsokotsa :D
An american HIPHOP artist got u hooked into the game!
U learned and mimiced everything he said and did,dressed,walked,talked,until u started growin ur own two nuts,then u started walkin by urself,without hangin on his nuts anymore!
Now u decide u gon front and start acting like u doin "YA OWN ORIGINAL SHIT" then u start covering up yo origins - by makin ur accent sound NOT SO AMERICAN(maybe even switchin the language),dressing NOT AMERICAN,acting like u HATE AMERICA!(but u love everythigna bout America - everything u do is influenced by America) but ur ashamed!
U make it a point to be as ANTI AMERICAN on the outside as possible!
But when u at home in ur privacy! u watchin American TV,u watchin AMERICAN music videos,u in the studio rappin on American beats,Downloading American Hiphop, practisin ur "Souljah Boy routine", eating American FOOD! ;D u dissin Bapes, but rockin All Stars(its still american BIATCH! ;D ;D :D)
So when u see niggas STRAIGHT UP EMBRACING AMERICA, it makes u sick cos u realisin that u will now have to cover ur tracks EVEN HARDER cos these NEW NIGGAS is OUT THERE JUS EXPOSIN IT!
they sound act dress walk talk exactly how u do IN UR PRIVACY!
U sayin "f*** America" but ur favourite EVERYTHING! IS AMERICAN! except for ur favourite soccer and rugby team - Thats New Zealand and Man United! wow
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I agree with Cash.Most cats wish they could say "Brooklyn" or "Queensbridge" or "Compton" on a track. LOL !!! It's a fact.
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I agree with Cash.Most cats wish they could say "Brooklyn" or "Queensbridge" or "Compton" on a track. LOL !!! It's a fact.
LOL!!! u had me there C
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the reason why im advokatin the America thing is simple!
"IM SPEAKING TO EVERYONE HERE-NOT JUS MY BIGGSET FAN..u no who ;D"
heres the situation in a SIMPLIFIED EXAMPLE!
We are all faggots on Africas Gayway(lets a**ume this is a fact)
But now,the older faggots have found ways hiding the fact that they are faggots. they are in the CLOSET! on the outside,they are anti FAGGOT in every way possible!
then come the new generation FAGGOTS! they are OPEN,publicly,and appearance wise,the way they speak,etc. openly SAY THEY ARE FAGS!
The old fags are intimidated by this!they are scared so they start treating the new fags differently(create double standards).
they pretend they are the "know it all" fags, and the new fgs are the "DUMBED DOWN" fags.
But at the end of the day,they all get dick in the a**! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I had to put it in a way that all Agians will understand.apologies if i offended anyone! :D
-What im sayin is, JUST THE f***IN FACT THAT U INTO HIPHOP MEANS U ARE INFLUENCED BY AMERICA!!!!!!
Dont come here and say "Actually the reason i got into hiphop was when i heard Hidden Force's Tsokotsa :D
An american HIPHOP artist got u hooked into the game!
U learned and mimiced everything he said and did,dressed,walked,talked,until u started growin ur own two nuts,then u started walkin by urself,without hangin on his nuts anymore!
Now u decide u gon front and start acting like u doin "YA OWN ORIGINAL SHIT" then u start covering up yo origins - by makin ur accent sound NOT SO AMERICAN(maybe even switchin the language),dressing NOT AMERICAN,acting like u HATE AMERICA!(but u love everythigna bout America - everything u do is influenced by America) but ur ashamed!
U make it a point to be as ANTI AMERICAN on the outside as possible!
But when u at home in ur privacy! u watchin American TV,u watchin AMERICAN music videos,u in the studio rappin on American beats,Downloading American Hiphop, practisin ur "Souljah Boy routine", eating American FOOD! ;D u dissin Bapes, but rockin All Stars(its still american BIATCH! ;D ;D :D)
So when u see niggas STRAIGHT UP EMBRACING AMERICA, it makes u sick cos u realisin that u will now have to cover ur tracks EVEN HARDER cos these NEW NIGGAS is OUT THERE JUS EXPOSIN IT!
they sound act dress walk talk exactly how u do IN UR PRIVACY!
U sayin "f*** America" but ur favourite EVERYTHING! IS AMERICAN! except for ur favourite soccer and rugby team - Thats New Zealand and Man United! wow
Hahaha. The faggot part kills me. Cash you the truth son. Hahaha
Few pointers: I'm reading words like trippin', friontin', mad and etc, which are American slangs, from the so called "non-american S.A rappers" hahaha. Funny. Sick o hypocrites
Not saying we people should mimic: just do your thing, some's gonna relate.
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all im sayin MR C is that the FACT THAT U RAP! that means u influenced by America! dont front about it!
look at the graffitti behind u in ur pic! its American influenced! Ur cornrows that u hiding under the hoodie! the fact that u use the word "CATS" so often. lol.
Jus come out of the closet dammit! ;D
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There is nothing wrong with being influenced by the world around you.
I was at a Van Gogh exhibition recently and was interested to read about his influences (ranging from Seurat to traditional Japanese artist Hiroshige). Van Gogh took these influences and created something new that had his own unique mark on it.
Not everyone can be a genius like Van Gogh, but everyone can strive to create something new and interesting based on their influences.
Influence and imitation are two different things that shouldn't be confused with one another. Whilst it can be claimed that everyone who makes Hip Hop anywhere in the world is influenced to some extent by America, not everyone is imitating Americans.
I feel truly sad when I see Africans imitating Americans because it implies that we have nothing original to give to the world. African kings invented swagger! Hip Hop beats are based on African rhythms! Storytelling through spoken word is African!!
Why do we just aspire to being like Americans? Why can't we aspire to outshine them with our own shit?
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African kings invented swagger! Hip Hop beats are based on African rhythms! Storytelling through spoken word is African!!
damn straight that there... all u gotta do is go to a nigerian village. see how the king / chief walks to his throne (swagger) and listen to his praise singer utter words accompanied by them rythmic drums... real talk there D
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African kings invented swagger! Hip Hop beats are based on African rhythms! Storytelling through spoken word is African!!
EXACTLY! its okay to be like Americans, cos they bein like us!
We invented that shit!
That ICE! That BAPE shit! The Swag!
Thats US! me,you, and everyone else whose African!
We ARE AMERICAN HIPHOP! AMERICAN HIPHOP IS AFRICAN!
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all im sayin MR C is that the FACT THAT U RAP! that means u influenced by America! dont front about it!
look at the graffitti behind u in ur pic! its American influenced! Ur cornrows that u hiding under the hoodie! the fact that u use the word "CATS" so often. lol.
Jus come out of the closet dammit! ;D
haai bo, dude, didn't i say i agree with you already ? Yes,im influenced big time by Uncle Sam.U happy ? Most of us are , whether we like it or not.Even the pantsula hood cats are heavily influenced by the likes of Snoop and Pac and them.Thing is in the last few years, there's slowly been a resurgence of african culture among the youth. From Fashion - people rocking head wraps,brown colours,etc,etc, to the music that's been coming out, Siphokhazi,Thandiswa,etc.So yeah, some people have found themselves and have slowly moved away from that whole commercial american image, but that doesn't mean they were never influenced by the states.Just don't knock us done cos we haven't moved on with ya'll.In due time my people. Africa will once again be truly ours. LOL !!!!
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I agree with Cash.Most cats wish they could say "Brooklyn" or "Queensbridge" or "Compton" on a track. LOL !!! It's a fact.
Ha!ha! ha! ha! ha! ha!
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I WISH I WAS DA LES....HAV A POST UNDER MY NAME...HAV FELLAZ GAANING AAN... ::)
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I WISH I WAS DA LES....HAV A POST UNDER MY NAME...HAV FELLAZ GAANING AAN... ::)
You wish you looked like a mini version of JAy-z, in fake Bapes and dancing on your tippy toes like a ballerina?
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:D :D :D :D :D.......ARENT I FUNNY????
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all im sayin MR C is that the FACT THAT U RAP! that means u influenced by America! dont front about it!
look at the graffitti behind u in ur pic! its American influenced! Ur cornrows that u hiding under the hoodie! the fact that u use the word "CATS" so often. lol.
Jus come out of the closet dammit! ;D
haai bo, dude, didn't i say i agree with you already ? Yes,im influenced big time by Uncle Sam.U happy ? Most of us are , whether we like it or not.Even the pantsula hood cats are heavily influenced by the likes of Snoop and Pac and them.Thing is in the last few years, there's slowly been a resurgence of african culture among the youth. From Fashion - people rocking head wraps,brown colours,etc,etc, to the music that's been coming out, Siphokhazi,Thandiswa,etc.So yeah, some people have found themselves and have slowly moved away from that whole commercial american image, but that doesn't mean they were never influenced by the states.Just don't knock us done cos we haven't moved on with ya'll.In due time my people. Africa will once again be truly ours. LOL !!!!
even that AFRICAN resurgence is AMERICAN influeced! Its a trend that started in America " ie, the LETS GO BACK TO OUR AFRICAN ROOTS TREND" f*** a Weave, im rockin dreadlocks! its an american trend!
And if u sayin, lets stop tryin to be American and be more African. dont u see that that decision is influenced by you "not wanting to be American". so that idea is also influenced by you comparing urself to America! lol.
Im jus f***in withca ;D
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Ok.. A bit Gangstalicious on the analogy...
but Im starting to see you logic.. skewered and jaded as it may be...
Let me tell you a story about a young man I met once. I have a problem with elephant type memory.. so I really remember shit when I should forget. I went out to Roka Bar once and met this dude who told me that he knows me from Cape Town.. used to come to all the shows... etc etc.. He then proceeded to tell me that he rhymes too... I didnt prompt him to tell me.. he was a bit drunk so I kinda understood.. Anyway... his story is that he had always only rhymed in English.. tried to be with the latest trends as possible.. and he could never quite break the circuit in Cape Town.. because for some or reason people actually care if you rhyme well over there.. ??? Anyway... this guy then told me that ever since he changed to rhyming in his mother tongue (and Im not suggesting anyone should do this).. people started taking his seriously... I too thought... 'This ninja is drunk and delusional'... before I was out I asked him... what the f*** is your name anyway... he said T.O.P..
Next thing I know I seeing him featured on Hype mixtapes... I even remember a comment on AG about how he is the best Xhosa rhymer ever. After listening to him I can agree..
Yes.. hes influenced by rap.. because he rhymes.. but people in the hood feel T.O.P as they do Prokid or anyone else who reps where they're from. Les was born in Houston it says.. so yeah.. thats excusable...People in the hood dont feel the us/ US/ AG type cats.. because we're not speaking their language. Pitch Black Afro sold 25 000. That wasnt in the suburbs..
Back in the day of the Shell Road to Fame... back in the mid 80's... yeah I remember that far back.. I was probably 5 or something.. there used to be cats who used to go to these things and breakdance and rap.. influenced more by kung-fu flicks and such (because there were sanctions back then and we didnt get get muchany influence from the US. There was no Nike, Adidas, Bape, etc..etc.. If you had it in you.. you had it in you.. only people with BOP TV from Bophuthatswana would get a glimpse at US TV. Even Lesotho was up on us in that regard. I can tell you now that there were people like POC, Black Noise etc... who did it while our country was sanctioned... so yeah. Know your history... I still dont beleive mimicking American culture will bring you success. I've given ample examples..
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hip hop aint a thang from africa lets admit tha shit. hip hop aint never african. the shit originated from america.. if it really was a african thang we wud be the pacs and biggies of the world..if it really is african. then how the f*** could these nigga outrun us on our own game? the fact that the "boom boom chaka boom" rythym was developed by africans that not mean that we came up wit hip hop. only the rythym is african, that whole other shit its from the staes man
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hip hop aint a thang from africa lets admit tha shit. hip hop aint never african. the shit originated from america.. if it really was a african thang we wud be the pacs and biggies of the world..if it really is african. then how the f*** could these nigga outrun us on our own game? the fact that the "boom boom chaka boom" rythym was developed by africans that not mean that we came up wit hip hop. only the rythym is african, that whole other shit its from the staes man
??? >:( :-\...AND MIMMS?????
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hip hop aint a thang from africa lets admit tha shit. hip hop aint never african. the shit originated from america.. if it really was a african thang we wud be the pacs and biggies of the world..if it really is african. then how the f*** could these nigga outrun us on our own game? the fact that the "boom boom chaka boom" rythym was developed by africans that not mean that we came up wit hip hop. only the rythym is african, that whole other shit its from the staes man
o lahlegile san
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Ok.. A bit Gangstalicious on the analogy...
but Im starting to see you logic.. skewered and jaded as it may be...
Let me tell you a story about a young man I met once. I have a problem with elephant type memory.. so I really remember shit when I should forget. I went out to Roka Bar once and met this dude who told me that he knows me from Cape Town.. used to come to all the shows... etc etc.. He then proceeded to tell me that he rhymes too... I didnt prompt him to tell me.. he was a bit drunk so I kinda understood.. Anyway... his story is that he had always only rhymed in English.. tried to be with the latest trends as possible.. and he could never quite break the circuit in Cape Town.. because for some or reason people actually care if you rhyme well over there.. ??? Anyway... this guy then told me that ever since he changed to rhyming in his mother tongue (and Im not suggesting anyone should do this).. people started taking his seriously... I too thought... 'This ninja is drunk and delusional'... before I was out I asked him... what the f*** is your name anyway... he said T.O.P..
Next thing I know I seeing him featured on Hype mixtapes... I even remember a comment on AG about how he is the best Xhosa rhymer ever. After listening to him I can agree..
Yes.. hes influenced by rap.. because he rhymes.. but people in the hood feel T.O.P as they do Prokid or anyone else who reps where they're from. Les was born in Houston it says.. so yeah.. thats excusable...People in the hood dont feel the us/ US/ AG type cats.. because we're not speaking their language. Pitch Black Afro sold 25 000. That wasnt in the suburbs..
Back in the day of the Shell Road to Fame... back in the mid 80's... yeah I remember that far back.. I was probably 5 or something.. there used to be cats who used to go to these things and breakdance and rap.. influenced more by kung-fu flicks and such (because there were sanctions back then and we didnt get get muchany influence from the US. There was no Nike, Adidas, Bape, etc..etc.. If you had it in you.. you had it in you.. only people with BOP TV from Bophuthatswana would get a glimpse at US TV. Even Lesotho was up on us in that regard. I can tell you now that there were people like POC, Black Noise etc... who did it while our country was sanctioned... so yeah. Know your history... I still dont beleive mimicking American culture will bring you success. I've given ample examples..
it dont matter where ur born! u are INTRODUCED TO HIPHOP BY AMERICA regardless!
the guys in the hood who copped Pitch Black,also copped Tupac! whats ur point!
I hear 50 cent everytime i go to the hood! Any tavern! any gusheshe!any house party! real talk!
Its the "Conscious - Im smarter than you ninja's that get no respect eKasi" dont generalise! niggas who rap in English BEEN in the HOOD! and they good in the hood! Matter Fact KOLI lives in the HOOD! and he a ghetto superstar!
maybe the guy jus SUCKED RAPPIN IN ENGLISH! and he's tighter in Xhosa. just a possibility.
U see,the language thing(if like me you understand English,Xhosa,Zulu and Afrikaans), the language thing dont make a difference at all!
I can point out a niggas whole style regardless of what language he spittin in!
U can rap in Xhosa, n i'll still be like "This nigga came from Talib Kweli's nutsack"
But for a nigga who jus think"wow,he rappin in Xhosa! wow.he original! either u havent been around hiphop long enough! or u been around hiphop too long without changing with the times!
Name any rapper,whatever language he spits, n i can tell u whose American nut he came out of.
eg. u mentioned Pitch Black Afro - obvious one - he came from The old "Woo Hah BUSTA RHYMES" NUTSACK!!!!
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hip hop aint a thang from africa lets admit tha shit. hip hop aint never african. the shit originated from america.. if it really was a african thang we wud be the pacs and biggies of the world..if it really is african. then how the f*** could these nigga outrun us on our own game? the fact that the "boom boom chaka boom" rythym was developed by africans that not mean that we came up wit hip hop. only the rythym is african, that whole other shit its from the staes man
o lahlegile san
WOW..we actually agree on sumthin :o
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The only reason that I bring up whether or not you've actually been to the US... you would know that the educated black people in the US are the ones looking to find out about their roots and where they come from...
The stupid hood niggaz niggers look down on anything African. They think they're better. They're broke.. but they will descriminate againts an African based on the idea that he's African. If any of you run into Amu or Ish.. as them about that shit. I got some amazing video footage of ignorant US people looking down on Africans. I unfortunately refuse to look up to someone who looks down on me..
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hip hop aint a thang from africa lets admit tha shit. hip hop aint never african. the shit originated from america.. if it really was a african thang we wud be the pacs and biggies of the world..if it really is african. then how the f*** could these nigga outrun us on our own game? the fact that the "boom boom chaka boom" rythym was developed by africans that not mean that we came up wit hip hop. only the rythym is african, that whole other shit its from the staes man
No one said hip hop was from Africa. My point is that the origins of hip hop music are in Africa. Americans used that influence and came up with something new.
The founding father of hip hop, DJ Kool Herc, was a Jamaican who emigrated to the States when he was 12. The Americans took his shit, ran with it and made it their own.
Why can't we take what hip hop is today and make it our own in Africa? Why do we have to mimic Americans?
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The only reason that I bring up whether or not you've actually been to the US... you would know that the educated black people in the US are the ones looking to find out about their roots and where they come from...
The stupid hood [s]niggaz[/s] niggers look down on anything African. They think they're better. They're broke.. but they will descriminate againts an African based on the idea that he's African. If any of you run into Amu or Ish.. as them about that shit. I got some amazing video footage of ignorant US people looking down on Africans. I unfortunately refuse to look up to someone who looks down on me..
how did he do that?
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hip hop aint a thang from africa lets admit tha shit. hip hop aint never african. the shit originated from america.. if it really was a african thang we wud be the pacs and biggies of the world..if it really is african. then how the f*** could these nigga outrun us on our own game? the fact that the "boom boom chaka boom" rythym was developed by africans that not mean that we came up wit hip hop. only the rythym is african, that whole other shit its from the staes man
o lahlegile san
WOW..we actually agree on sumthin :o
hehehe nna le wena re ne re sa utlwane? mara fede
this boiz navigator is f***ed up and if sumone don tell him g
he goin to get lost before he hits the 10 posts mark
so ha re sebedisane lol
For the coz
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The only reason that I bring up whether or not you've actually been to the US... you would know that the educated black people in the US are the ones looking to find out about their roots and where they come from...
The stupid hood niggaz niggers look down on anything African. They think they're better. They're broke.. but they will descriminate againts an African based on the idea that he's African. If any of you run into Amu or Ish.. as them about that shit. I got some amazing video footage of ignorant US people looking down on Africans. I unfortunately refuse to look up to someone who looks down on me..
so ur solution is to return the favour and look down on them, or anyone you feel is in any way a**ociated to them?
u see dog, u openly look down on these new school niggas like DA LES,arent u not doing the exact same thing that you despise being done to you?
the truth is we all the same! everyone thinks their better than the next man.most people think they are ALWAYS RIGHT.
those are dumb niggas! of course they gon say sum ignant shit! thats what dumb nyuggas do!
But youre not a dumb nigga(from what ive experienced), so why do what dumb niggas are doing(ie.lookin down on others).
I personally only take from POSITIVE NIGGAS! Achievers!
I dont give a f*** what a dumb nigga in America thinks of Africans.
U mad at dumb niggas in America?
look at all the dumb niggas in South Africa?
Look at how THEY look down on other African countires!
Theres dumb niggas everywhere!
U better than that! U cant hate America cos of a few dumb niggas!
like i said! niggas is ashamed of admitting that they luv america!
in your case, u love america, u just dont love "dumb niggas in america"
Hell, even name a Kwaito artist, and i can tell u whose American nuts he came from. Mandoza = Onyx,DMX, Kabelo = Mase,Jada Kiss(lol)
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Why would you decide for me that I look down on the LES?
We're on the same level of what?
Did I say I was madd at dumb niggas in America..?
When did I say I hate America?
leave the comedy to the comedians dogg..
OK.. 10 thousand plus views. Im officially done with this thread. U can respond if you want.. actually cash.. this is officially your thread... have it..
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;D lol . man.
the way u been gaaning aan and critisizin the nyucca, i just a**umed u aint feelin Da LES! my bad.
U definitely aint feelin DA X! lol. or are u gonna back peddle on that one too :D
EXHIBIT A:
Did I say I was madd at dumb niggas in America..?
When did I say I hate America?
The stupid hood niggaz niggers look down on anything African. They think they're better. They're broke..
oh my bad,its all LOVE ;)
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bapes come from japan
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Separated at birth...
Ritalin Karate Kid from Smokin' Aces:
(http://i38.tinypic.com/10ojmok.jpg)
Da L.E.S.:
(http://i37.tinypic.com/swa7nl.jpg)
;D ;D ;D
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^^^ Ja neh, i always thought da les had a long lost twin, but couldn't remember who it was, thanks Dpleezy...hahahaha
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Separated at birth...
Ritalin Karate Kid from Smokin' Aces:
(http://i38.tinypic.com/10ojmok.jpg)
Da L.E.S.:
(http://i37.tinypic.com/swa7nl.jpg)
;D ;D ;D
LMAO hahahaahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah D man you killed me lol
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CLa**IC!! ;D
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no hate intended,,, just couldn't help notice the similarity :)