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DAMN!!!!! DAMN!!! DAMN!!!
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DAMN!! :D :D :D
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Absolutely brilliant. Once again, Zapiro knocks 'em out the box. He is one of the few people who is absolutely unafraid to call our leaders out for their wrongs, and not to flinch when he exposes the bullshit, hypocrisy and stupidity of the Zuma, the ANC and their buddies.
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Damn he going in on em
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Love it...
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Love it...
I'm loving it too Baldi!!
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Absolutely brilliant. Once again, Zapiro knocks 'em out the box. He is one of the few people who is absolutely unafraid to call our leaders out for their wrongs, and not to flinch when he exposes the bullshit, hypocrisy and stupidity of the Zuma, the ANC and their buddies
I work in a predominantely white newsroom, and that is what theyve been saying the whole day..blah,blah, "i'm moving to Australia if they get rid of Zapiro". That sounds irrelevant but i thought it was weird that only white folks were saying this,the black journalists either dontt care or are just tired of hearing about Zuma......OR their complacency is a sign of how the editorial process really works...but i dont know either...
JUST SAY,WHAT IF...NOTE I SAID WHAT IF...WHAT IF THERE ACTUALLY IS A SMEAR CAMPAIGN AGAINST ZUMA?
WASNT ZUMA WAS NOT PROVEN GUILTY FOR RAPE? WHY THE RAPE INSINUATION? COULDNT ZAPIRO HAVE THOUGHT UP OF ANOTHER ANGLE? MAYBE AN ANGLE WITH MORE TRUTHFUL CONNOTATIONS AND REFERENCES.
not a Zuma fan or anything, i'm actually quite an avid fan of DAVID BULLARD.
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Saw this while i was sitting at a local watering hole with some of my buddies, who also happen to be huge Zuma fans(for some reason), showed it to them...and the looks on their faces...cla**ic...
Zapiro for President...
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I work in a predominantely white newsroom, and that is what theyve been saying the whole day..blah,blah, "i'm moving to Australia if they get rid of Zapiro". That sounds irrelevant but i thought it was weird that only white folks were saying this,the black journalists either dontt care or are just tired of hearing about Zuma......OR their complacency is a sign of how the editorial process really works...but i dont know either...
ACTUALLY SORRY, I RETRACT WHAT I SAID..SPACEVEIN DOES NOT ENGAGE IN POLITICAL DISCOURSE, WHAT I SAID ACTAULLY HAS NO REAL BEARING, I'M GOING TO STICK TO THE FAECES STORIES.
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WASNT ZUMA WAS NOT PROVEN GUILTY FOR RAPE? WHY THE RAPE INSINUATION? COULDNT ZAPIRO HAVE THOUGHT UP OF ANOTHER ANGLE? MAYBE AN ANGLE WITH MORE TRUTHFUL CONNOTATIONS AND REFERENCES.
but this i will stand by, it makes journalists who do their job properly look bad, journalists who still believe in a little thing called fact checking....
this whole rape thing reminds me of Hunter S thompson's work on the hell's angels, they were described as raping savages by the American press, but only when the proper fact checking was done by Hunter that the truth that Hell's Angels are not the rapists theyre sought ought to be...of the 100 arrests of Hells Angels memebers around 1966 none were convicted and many were let off with light warnings for vague charges even unknown to the police scribe himself.
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DAMN!!!!! DAMN!!! DAMN!!!
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perfect, but so sad!
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WASNT ZUMA WAS NOT PROVEN GUILTY FOR RAPE? WHY THE RAPE INSINUATION? COULDNT ZAPIRO HAVE THOUGHT UP OF ANOTHER ANGLE? MAYBE AN ANGLE WITH MORE TRUTHFUL CONNOTATIONS AND REFERENCES.
Totally agree. Im all for freedom of speech, but this is so uncalled for.
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this could easily turn into a race or gender issue and not what it was intended for. Zapiro has lost the plot on this one.
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WASNT ZUMA WAS NOT PROVEN GUILTY FOR RAPE? WHY THE RAPE INSINUATION? COULDNT ZAPIRO HAVE THOUGHT UP OF ANOTHER ANGLE? MAYBE AN ANGLE WITH MORE TRUTHFUL CONNOTATIONS AND REFERENCES.
not a Zuma fan too but i agree with you on this point.
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WASNT ZUMA WAS NOT PROVEN GUILTY FOR RAPE? WHY THE RAPE INSINUATION? COULDNT ZAPIRO HAVE THOUGHT UP OF ANOTHER ANGLE? MAYBE AN ANGLE WITH MORE TRUTHFUL CONNOTATIONS AND REFERENCES.
It's just unfortunate that he has a rape trial in his past but I for one can't see any other way to illustrate the fact that they are raping the system and as for the smear campaign, of course there is and I thin people know this. It's just that his stupidity is not buying any love from me. It's not the first time politicians reputation was smeared, but it's certainly the first time a politician is helping to perpetuate things.
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Coincidentally I was just on the Mail and Guardian site where someone already turned this into a race thing, claiming that Zapiro is out on making blacks look like raping savages.
What a load of bullshit. If you can't see the point of the cartoon ,you shouldn't be allowed an opinion and you shouldn't be allowed to read the paper even.
Even if there is a conspiracy against the man, I see no reason why he shouldn't be tried. That is the point of having a seperate judiciary and government. Let him have his day in court and prove himself innocent. There are no legal grounds for him not going to trial, so now they have resorted to threatening us with "worker's revolts".
What does he have to hide? Zaps is merely showing how his cronies are attempting to rape the judicial system.
Isn't this the same man who promised to reveal the "whole truth" if he were to have his day in court?
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Hear, hear.
*Looks for applause animation*
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If the woman didn't have the 'justice system' thingy on, then it would be too much.
With that on it's quite relevant.
Even throughout history, a blind woman holding scales has always represented justice. As such, this is a perfect metaphor, and possibly a snide comment considering JZs previous endeavours.
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like i said, race is irrelevent...
Even throughout history, a blind woman holding scales has always represented justice. As such, this is a perfect metaphor, and possibly a snide comment considering JZs previous endeavours.
Anyone who has done a B.A will agree that anything, ANYTHING can be justified by semiotics. semiotic studies are so vague, they a**ume the reader knows the writers intention and inner motives.. but then again i could be wrong cause youre quite right about lady liberty...i hate political discussions, i hate arguing about things i can never win.
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http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=nw20080908112018657C833260
I particularly liked Jesse Duarte's comment that Zapiro has lost the capacity to "draw funny and clever cartoons."
This about his most telling, clever and lethal cartoon ever.
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i'm actually quite an avid fan of DAVID BULLARD.
so am I , :'( I thought he wouldve made a comeback by now
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WASNT ZUMA WAS NOT PROVEN GUILTY FOR RAPE? WHY THE RAPE INSINUATION? COULDNT ZAPIRO HAVE THOUGHT UP OF ANOTHER ANGLE? MAYBE AN ANGLE WITH MORE TRUTHFUL CONNOTATIONS AND REFERENCES.
Totally agree. Im all for freedom of speech, but this is so uncalled for.
Well we all got our views about this but MR C I think Julius telling everyone that he will kill for Zuma is really uncalled for! For f***s sake your a politition not a f***ing gang member to start talking about killing! How would you feel if Obama started chanting he would kill for this and that! They are grown adults and should leadby example! Alot of off shore investors will stop the flow of money into this country if there is political instibility! What example are these guys setting?
I fwe got hooligans leading a country who is going to take us seriuosly?
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Zapiro than did it, what the whole pack was afraid to tackle he done did it, and by the way.........I never ever saw Zapiro as being white, even though I knew he was white but I never saw the colour whenever I'm checking out his stuff.....He draws black, god has humour.
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Coincidentally I was just on the Mail and Guardian site where someone already turned this into a race thing, claiming that Zapiro is out on making blacks look like raping savages.
What a load of bullshit. If you can't see the point of the cartoon ,you shouldn't be allowed an opinion and you shouldn't be allowed to read the paper even.
Even if there is a conspiracy against the man, I see no reason why he shouldn't be tried. That is the point of having a seperate judiciary and government. Let him have his day in court and prove himself innocent. There are no legal grounds for him not going to trial, so now they have resorted to threatening us with "worker's revolts".
What does he have to hide? Zaps is merely showing how his cronies are attempting to rape the judicial system.
Isn't this the same man who promised to reveal the "whole truth" if he were to have his day in court?
You hit the hammer on the nail for me, such pervocative cartoons are needed. Peeped at Morning live this a.m ( as i do every a.m ) and there was atleast a good 30 minute discussion abt the repercussions of this cartoon, but less spoken abt the actual content and the truth of this cartoon.
Why is it that one hears more from the ppl ( whom I think are idiots ) behind JZ than his apposes?
What do we as a nation do if JZ doesnt get his day in court? Will we continue to let such a villian get away with major crimes , crimes that if an ordinary citizen like u and I had to commit we'd be serving a jail sentence right this minute. This aint about black and white no more, just right and wrong!
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Masterpiece by Shapiro...the message here couldn't have been any clearer or any more appropriate.
The mere fact that this trial has been dragging on for so long alone makes the 'rape victim' a fitting personification of justice abuse.
Further to that is the fact that this Friday whether the High Court rules on whether or not it was unlawful for the NPA to charge JZ,
it still doesn't mean he will face trial before the elections next year.
The implications if he doesn't face trial before then and is voted into presidency?...he will probably never be charged at all, ever.
& once he is president: here's what's likely to happen ;D...I got the below article from the online "mail & guardian" archives:
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nc nc nc....
January • President Zuma is inaugurated at the Union Buildings. He announces that the buildings will henceforth be called the Fikile Mbalula Buildings after the spirited campaign put up by the Youth League leader.
• Later in the month Schabir Shaik is appointed the Minister of Finance (Deputy: Brett Kebble); Mo Shaik is Minister of Intelligence; Yunus Shaik becomes the Minister of Justice; Chippy Shaik becomes Minister of Defence; with Terror Lekota as his deputy. Dominic Ntsele becomes the head of the Government Communication and Information System.
February
In his three-hour long inaugural State of the Nation address, the President announces his Nkandla homestead will become a second seat of government and include a special wing for his wives.
March
Finance minister Shaik tables his first budget. The defence budget outstrips social spending by 463%.
April
Kingsgate Clothing, owned by Schabir’s father-in-law Sadek Vahed, wins the contract to provide uniforms to the defence force. Ntsele labels critical media reports a "counter-revolutionary figment of the imagination".
May
The president introduces a national minimum wage of R4000 for workers to thank the Congress of South African Trade Unions for its support in his presidential campaign. Reports in the Mail & Guardian quote Zwelinzima Vavi as saying "we have been vindicated". Business Day reports that Bobby Godsell is emigrating to Russia.
June
The president closes down the Scorpions and replaces it with a new crime-fighting unit called "the Pussycats". Headed by ANC chief whip Mbulelo Goniwe, the unit will answer only to the ANC in Parliament and will be expressly barred from investigating any government employee above the rank of cleaner.
July
The president is overheard asking an aide: "Who’s that guy with the long dress and funny hat again?" at the ninth African heads of state meeting.  Minutes later Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo comes into view.
August
On national Women’s Day, the president suggests in a speech at Nkandla that his countrymen marry as many wives as possible "to keep our women safe". He takes a fifth wife. His approval ratings soar.
The president a**umes leadership of the KwaZulu-Natal branch of "Virginity for Morality" and generously offers to test the first 50 young women himself — "It’s a tough job but I am prepared to do it to show the youth how committed I am to the values of abstinence and chastity".
September
Finance minister Shaik introduces a Bill into Parliament recommending 20% increases for all office-bearers.
October
"Now this is a man I can do business with," says French President Jacques Chirac as the president jets out after a state visit and an arms-buying spree.
Chirac throws in a handful of ageing Mirage III’s, promises never to bomb our air force, pledges ma**ive offsets and a multimillion-rand skills development project based in Atlantis, training the unemployed in the fine art of making pain au chocolat.
November
Foreign Minister Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma resigns after the president tells her to "leave it to Jacques" when she books the jet to head to the Côte d’Ivoire.
The president outlawsthe use of double-barrelled surnames by ex-wives.
December
Former President Thabo Mbeki is amba**ador to the African Union, based in Addis Ababa from where he still writes his weekly Internet column Letter from the ex-president. The new president is not a man of letters.
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Some funny shit! but i think the issue with this piece is not whether there is a smear campaign against JIGGA or whether jigga supporters are making silly statements... its rather the use of "rape" as metaphor, he really could have used any other metaphor.. intersting point below from SABC
http://www.sabcnews.com/south_africa/general/0,2172,176528,00.html
Shapiro may have gone too far
However, Law expert, Pierre de Vos says Shapiro might have gone too far by depicting rape in the cartoon. "I would just think that one should think very carefully before one uses rape as a metaphor in cartoons because I think in the end could possibly lead to the cheapening of the whole experience of rape and maybe some women will agree with the cartoon but I think there might be other women who won't agree with it.
Just a note: There is a cartoonist in Zambia called Clarke aka Kalaki - who also came up with a controversial cartoon about the late president Levy mwanawasa - comparing the president to a monkey or an elephant (cant remember) - well his a** was deported- even though he is a zambian citizen. Luckily the supreme court overturned the decision.
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then what metaphor should he have used coz thats what these cats are trying to do, here is a scenario for you to think about, JZ's case goes to trial after the elections and he is president the first thing him and his cronies are going to do is change the constitution so that no sitting president can go to court or be charged. me thinks that is raping the constitution.
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shiiiyyyyyyyyt he is the clever dude...nigga better look through a thesauraus or something!!! i bet there are other metaphors for the situation...
im sure dude could have found other clever ways to insult politicians as he always does....
imagine they put a jewish dude with gas chambers in these cartoons.. suddenly peeps would be up in arms.. ur always gonna get a reaction from this shit.. but dont always expect people to suddenly accept ur opinion on shit period.
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shiiiyyyyyyyyt he is the clever dude...nigga better look through a thesauraus or something!!! i bet there are other metaphors for the situation...
im sure dude could have found other clever ways to insult politicians as he always does....
imagine they put a jewish dude with gas chambers in these cartoons.. suddenly peeps would be up in arms.. ur always gonna get a reaction from this shit.. but dont always expect people to suddenly accept ur opinion on shit period.
What metaphor would you have used that would highlight in a concievable way the kind of abomination of justice by a political figure/s?
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"It’s the nature of the medium — it’s supposed to do what it does. It’s not meant to make us feel warm and fuzzy and patriotic and ready to take up arms to defend the leader. It’s designed to get us talking. At least we’re now talking." this is a quote from a dude at the M&G...if u want to read the whole article here is the link...http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/jonathanberger/2008/09/09/in-defence-of-zapiro/
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i don't buy that zapiro's cartoon is cheapening the whole experience of rape, that's bullshit. if anything, it's showing how shocking the 'rape' of justice and democracy is. i honestly can't think of a better metaphor for what's going down.
what else is as shocking as rape? maybe zuma would prefer to be portrayed as a child abuser or a ma** murderer? somehow i don't think showing him stealing an apple from a market stall would convey the seriousness of the situation.
zuma's supporters are deflecting attention away from the real issue (the rape of democracy) and painting zuma as zapiro's victim. even if the allegations of rape were unfounded, i find it hard to feel sorry for a man who is riding roughshod over the legal system - this is the real issue here - not whether zuma is being slandered.
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shiiiyyyyyyyyt he is the clever dude...nigga better look through a thesauraus or something!!! i bet there are other metaphors for the situation...
im sure dude could have found other clever ways to insult politicians as he always does....
imagine they put a jewish dude with gas chambers in these cartoons.. suddenly peeps would be up in arms.. ur always gonna get a reaction from this shit.. but dont always expect people to suddenly accept ur opinion on shit period.
What metaphor would you have used that would highlight in a concievable way the kind of abomination of justice by a political figure/s?
^^^ Look there are various ways he could have said it.. he could have said.."robbing" the justice system.."cheating" the justice system but Rape... thats the only suitable angle? please....
and if this an abomination of the justice system, than thats a system error which governmental checks and balances are supposed to pick up. If a brother is able to pick the loopholes in the system, does that equate to rape?? and i mean really, was the showerhead necessary??? what is he saying? The Justice system might have aids??? - you see how these things can be interpreted. And the matter of the fact is he was acquited from the rape charge, bringing that shit up is foul....raping the system fair enough..but there was no need to bring in the shower-head element...
secondly, those croonies that people keep bringin up...people are not looking at the deeper issues here. The Youth league cat said they would kill for zuma or whatever....How come cats didnt come forward and say they wouldnt kill for zuma?? shows that niggas were willing to ride with him??? doesnt it? so thats a society issue.. and those croonies have support.. so is part of society raping the justice system??
anyways im glad people are talking about real shit.
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ok i admit im not so enlightened on south african politics...but maybe someone can tell me what the "shock" and "abomination" is in the whole zuma ordeal?
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the shower head depicts the statements dude made about taking a shower after having sex with a person with HIV/AIDS and that statement was never retracted and anyways ever since he made those comments, Zapiro has always done his cartoons about Zuma with the shower head there, why does it become an issue now?
@ DJ PEEWEE, u from Zambia right, didnt former President Chiluba change the constitution so that he wouldnt face corruption charges and what would stop JZ from doing the same?
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I don't think, in this context Zapiro meant rape in sexual context of the word. It's more of a power thing. Zuma and friends are stripping the justice system of it's power and doing with it as they wish. I don't think rob or even cheat would've appropriately represented the extent of the situation.
Look Ma'at has been a symbol for justice for so long it's only obvious that he'd use it now, it's just unfortunate that Zuma has a history with rape.
Zapiro's illustration was on point, in every way.
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shiiiyyyyyyyyt he is the clever dude...nigga better look through a thesauraus or something!!! i bet there are other metaphors for the situation...
im sure dude could have found other clever ways to insult politicians as he always does....
imagine they put a jewish dude with gas chambers in these cartoons.. suddenly peeps would be up in arms.. ur always gonna get a reaction from this shit.. but dont always expect people to suddenly accept ur opinion on shit period.
What metaphor would you have used that would highlight in a concievable way the kind of abomination of justice by a political figure/s?
^^^ Look there are various ways he could have said it.. he could have said.."robbing" the justice system.."cheating" the justice system but Rape... thats the only suitable angle? please....
and if this an abomination of the justice system, than thats a system error which governmental checks and balances are supposed to pick up. If a brother is able to pick the loopholes in the system, does that equate to rape?? and i mean really, was the showerhead necessary??? what is he saying? The Justice system might have aids??? - you see how these things can be interpreted. And the matter of the fact is he was acquited from the rape charge, bringing that shit up is foul....raping the system fair enough..but there was no need to bring in the shower-head element...
secondly, those croonies that people keep bringin up...people are not looking at the deeper issues here. The Youth league cat said they would kill for zuma or whatever....How come cats didnt come forward and say they wouldnt kill for zuma?? shows that niggas were willing to ride with him??? doesnt it? so thats a society issue.. and those croonies have support.. so is part of society raping the justice system??
anyways im glad people are talking about real shit.
the shower head element is there to remind us what kind of person is being portrayed. ie. a criminally ignorant person (for someone in his position).
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the shower head depicts the statements dude made about taking a shower after having sex with a person with HIV/AIDS and that statement was never retracted and anyways ever since he made those comments, Zapiro has always done his cartoons about Zuma with the shower head there, why does it become an issue now?
@ DJ PEEWEE, u from Zambia right, didnt former President Chiluba change the constitution so that he wouldnt face corruption charges and what would stop JZ from doing the same?
^^ naw hommie... chiluba didnt change the consitution. he wanted to change the consititution so he could serve a 3rd term in office which is unconstitutional over here. And chiluba is still on trial now for the corruption charges... but at the end of the day he is just delaying the trial...due to the flaws in the justice system... thats an inherent flaw in the justice system...
@ the showerhead stee-lo... if thats the case that he is always drawn with showerhead... then i retract my statement on that.....
however, all i am saying is this. fair enough people are enraged over the whole ordeal... but as you know everything has limits and statements like this are bound to envoke a reaction...and when people get angry dont expect them all to symphathise with the intellectuals (or whoever), they also have a right to disagree! thats also part of democracy isnt it? Its just like when the new yorker drew obama in that arab outfit and his wife in the militant fatigue... peeps were saying its offside? why? coz obama is a likeable fellow????? (not to say that i wasnt enraged). i just think a lot of these arguments have double standards........
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shiiiyyyyyyyyt he is the clever dude...nigga better look through a thesauraus or something!!! i bet there are other metaphors for the situation...
im sure dude could have found other clever ways to insult politicians as he always does....
imagine they put a jewish dude with gas chambers in these cartoons.. suddenly peeps would be up in arms.. ur always gonna get a reaction from this shit.. but dont always expect people to suddenly accept ur opinion on shit period.
What metaphor would you have used that would highlight in a concievable way the kind of abomination of justice by a political figure/s?
^^^ Look there are various ways he could have said it.. he could have said.."robbing" the justice system.."cheating" the justice system but Rape... thats the only suitable angle? please....
and if this an abomination of the justice system, than thats a system error which governmental checks and balances are supposed to pick up. If a brother is able to pick the loopholes in the system, does that equate to rape?? and i mean really, was the showerhead necessary??? what is he saying? The Justice system might have aids??? - you see how these things can be interpreted. And the matter of the fact is he was acquited from the rape charge, bringing that shit up is foul....raping the system fair enough..but there was no need to bring in the shower-head element...
secondly, those croonies that people keep bringin up...people are not looking at the deeper issues here. The Youth league cat said they would kill for zuma or whatever....How come cats didnt come forward and say they wouldnt kill for zuma?? shows that niggas were willing to ride with him??? doesnt it? so thats a society issue.. and those croonies have support.. so is part of society raping the justice system??
anyways im glad people are talking about real shit.
ever since the rape story, Zapiro's cartoons refering to Zuma have always had the shower head...it's a pun.
You say above "that he could have said cheating or robbing the justice system" but remember that as a cartoonist cat had to use almost entirely the visual element to portray this. And in my opinion, if he'd given it a less provocative image, it wouldn't have aroused the same impact or such controversy.
Personally, the minute I saw the paper, I discerned and agreed immediately with wut was being portrayed and was in no way offended by it. Besides why is it such a big deal that Zapiro used rape, isn't Zuma the same man who in defense of his "rape case", said that as a traditional Zulu man; he had an obligation to havesex with the woman because of how she was dressed...somehow, it just seems fitting that he be a**ociated with such anyway.
However, I do realise that we've had this discusssion and he was acquitted but when I think about such a statement, I still think of what kind of president he would make. Is that the kind of values he would instill in our kids?Arguments like that are uncalled for and plus they violate every other man who might happen to be Zulu and does not believe in that...If those were his personal beliefs, cool but he didn't need to blemish the whole zulu nation....sorry for the backtrack it's just that cat's whole thing just sweats the f outta me!
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PeeWee, you say that he has found a loophole in the system and should be given credit for that, cos you don't see how this amounts to rape.
I a**ume that you're not South African or you haven't a clue what is really going down.
Since he couldn't find a loophole and the NPA erred initially by charging him and Shaick seperately, he is now clutching at straws to stay out of jail. I wonder if Shaick will be let out of jail if he isn't charged, because technically you can't have a corruptor, without a corruptee.
Instead of him being preosecuted, his supporters are now asking for a "political solution" to these charges. What the f***!! a political solution to criminal charges?
They claim that if he is to be charged, the workers will rise up and this could plunge SA into anarchy. No workers that I know made any such claims before they mentioned it, which leads me to believe that this "warning" was nothing more than a veiled call to arms and a threat on the judiciary to bend to their will or risk plunging us into armed conflict.
All of this bullshit is really just an attempt to stall his trial, so that he can change the constitution when he's in power to prevent him from being preosecuted then.
We just spent about 30 minutes of our diary meeting discussing this cartoon, and I have to admit, even among some of the white folk here, they feel Zaps went to far. Our editor admitted that he wouldn't have published it.
I say f*** it.
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PeeWee, you say that he has found a loophole in the system and should be given credit for that, cos you don't see how this amounts to rape.
I a**ume that you're not South African or you haven't a clue what is really going down.
Since he couldn't find a loophole and the NPA erred initially by charging him and Shaick seperately, he is now clutching at straws to stay out of jail. I wonder if Shaick will be let out of jail if he isn't charged, because technically you can't have a corruptor, without a corruptee.
Instead of him being preosecuted, his supporters are now asking for a "political solution" to these charges. What the f***!! a political solution to criminal charges?
They claim that if he is to be charged, the workers will rise up and this could plunge SA into anarchy. No workers that I know made any such claims before they mentioned it, which leads me to believe that this "warning" was nothing more than a veiled call to arms and a threat on the judiciary to bend to their will or risk plunging us into armed conflict.
All of this bullshit is really just an attempt to stall his trial, so that he can change the constitution when he's in power to prevent him from being preosecuted then.
We just spent about 30 minutes of our diary meeting discussing this cartoon, and I have to admit, even among some of the white folk here, they feel Zaps went to far. Our editor admitted that he wouldn't have published it.
I say f*** it.
No im not south african... and i didnt say that he should be given credit for it. he is applying pressure to the judicial system... but at the moment he is not president...and where is ur president in all of this?? There are still various means to combat this issue and you all know it. If no one is going to stand up and fight as u are saying..then why arent judges throwing up the middle finger??? If people are going to stand up and fight, then u have bigger and deeper problems...
I completely understand what you are saying pyro it is bullshit...but what im saying is this it isnt rape..because there are still various means to resist this pressure, which are not being applied. (1). The government or the president who still has overiding political rule (2). Parliament - which can still deny Zuma constitutional changes...etc. all in all, if these are overidden and mbeki and co do nothing then u have a flawed political system. period! I'll tell u what rape of a judicial system is... is what good old uncle bob did a couple of years back..changing all kinds of laws and overiding court judgements to release votes thats rape of democracy.
Quick Question? Did winnie mandela go to jail for the 60+ counts of fraud?
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It's like a guy who's after an attractive woman just for sex, when he is exposed for his real intentions, he will use any weapon at his disposal to deny his real intentions, he will say for example that people are jealous or something. Same thing with the rock band(alliance), they are using every weapon they have to keep the rock band leader (Zuma) out of jail ha ha ha hah ha
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No im not south african... and i didnt say that he should be given credit for it. he is applying pressure to the judicial system... but at the moment he is not president...and where is ur president in all of this?? There are still various means to combat this issue and you all know it. If no one is going to stand up and fight as u are saying..then why arent judges throwing up the middle finger??? If people are going to stand up and fight, then u have bigger and deeper problems...
I completely understand what you are saying pyro it is bullshit...but what im saying is this it isnt rape..because there are still various means to resist this pressure, which are not being applied. (1). The government or the president who still has overiding political rule (2). Parliament - which can still deny Zuma constitutional changes...etc. all in all, if these are overidden and mbeki and co do nothing then u have a flawed political system. period! I'll tell u what rape of a judicial system is... is what good old uncle bob did a couple of years back..changing all kinds of laws and overiding court judgements to release votes thats rape of democracy.
Quick Question? Did winnie mandela go to jail for the 60+ counts of fraud?
The problem is that Mbeki is powerless in all this. After Polokwane he is basically just a figurehead (not that he meant much before this). He has no say, because the ANC and its allies and their supporters already view Zuma as the president.
Malema's statement that he and others will "kill for Zuma" seems to be prophetic. Now they are threatening to take up arms, and actually do what he promised. They call it a warning, but I call it a threat, because that is what they are trying to convinve supporters to do, should the judges do as you say and "give the finger".
Zuma used to say that he wants his day in court, but as this day draws nearer, he seems very content to sit back and let his mob threaten our judiciary and constitution in order to prevent his day in court.
We are at a very precarious position now. Do we allow these people to dictate to us and let Zuma off the hook? This will mean that he is totally above the law and what is tho stop other ANC members to follow in his footsteps then?
Or, do we go ahead and prosecute and even convict him? This will mean we might see violence countrywide, since the Malemas and Blades won't stand for it. They have already promised to protest in front of the court on Friday, where his fate will be decided, in their thousands. workers are taking days off and losing salaries in order to support him ,because they have been indoctrinated to believe that he is above the law and all will be better under a Zuma presidency.
I hate the fact that I'll be sitting in a test venue on Friday, when all this is going down.
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Quick Question? Did winnie mandela go to jail for the 60+ counts of fraud?
good question!!!
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no she never went to jail for that, why? because she is not some power hungry fool like JZ, she took the rap and what did the ANC do, the ANC took care of her... JZ went on about how he would name and shame others involved and we are where we are today.
Even if JZ is found guilty he will not go to prison, he served time during apartheid and there is no way he is going to go to prison in the new dispensation whether we like it or not or whether its right or wrong.
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This is what Hayibo had to say about the matter.
ANC, with 15 million votes and new warships, frightened by cartoon
PRETORIA. Party insiders have confirmed that despite having a guaranteed two-thirds majority in the next election, the entire GDP at its disposal, R30-billion worth of high-tech weaponry, and complete control of the national broadcaster, the ANC has been "badly frightened" by a controversial cartoon by Jonathan Shapiro depicting the rape of South Africa's justice system by Jacob Zuma.
The cartoon appeared over the weekend in the Sunday Times and immediately unleashed a storm of activity at the ANC's headquarters in Luthuli House, where an alert level of 'Mshini Wami 4' was declared.
It was the first time Luthuli House has gone to 'Mshini Wami 4', the previous highest being 'Mshini Wami 2', declared in 2006 after Zuma had his account with Amazon.com suspended over late payment for a consignment of books which included the collected works of Freud and an illustrated beginner's guide to the work of Germaine Greer.
Addressing the Luthuli House press corps this morning, party spokesman Doughnut Phiri said that Shapiro needed to be "eliminated, destroyed or killed, both literally and/or metaphorically and/or metaphysically, or whichever one we are allowed to do by the Human Rights Commission".
Asked why the ANC and its allies had chosen to present an outraged united front against a solitary cartoonist rather than against Aids, crime, or the abuse of women, Phiri said that Shapiro was "more dangerous than Aids, criminals and women combined".
He declined to explain how this was the case, but said it was "logical to everyone but racists and counterrevolutionaries".
He added that the state could still decide to pursue Shapiro "with everything at its disposal".
This included four corvettes, one manned submarine and two unmanned submarines on bricks, six Swedish fighter jets flown by pilots leased from the Botswana Air Force, an oral poet named SlamSista Mzanzi, 15 million loyal voters, and a slightly soiled copy of the Constitution.
Shapiro could not be reached for comment this morning as he is currently in New York attending a United Nations-sponsored conference called 'South African Leadership: An Oxymoron For Our Times'.
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This is what Hayibo had to say about the matter.
ANC, with 15 million votes and new warships, frightened by cartoon
PRETORIA. Party insiders have confirmed that despite having a guaranteed two-thirds majority in the next election, the entire GDP at its disposal, R30-billion worth of high-tech weaponry, and complete control of the national broadcaster, the ANC has been "badly frightened" by a controversial cartoon by Jonathan Shapiro depicting the rape of South Africa's justice system by Jacob Zuma.
The cartoon appeared over the weekend in the Sunday Times and immediately unleashed a storm of activity at the ANC's headquarters in Luthuli House, where an alert level of 'Mshini Wami 4' was declared.
It was the first time Luthuli House has gone to 'Mshini Wami 4', the previous highest being 'Mshini Wami 2', declared in 2006 after Zuma had his account with Amazon.com suspended over late payment for a consignment of books which included the collected works of Freud and an illustrated beginner's guide to the work of Germaine Greer.
Addressing the Luthuli House press corps this morning...
Tehe. Properly.
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SMH @ how they always use the term counter-revolutionary when peops talk about the bullshit they done... Personally i feel if zuma had the interest of the nation at heart he wont even be in the running to be president, has he even ever distanced himself from the whole 'we will kill for zuma' brigade? i'd really want to ask him if the ANC will ever agree to a public debate with him on the panel - what plans does he have for his government, what are his policies? what will be different in his government
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SMH @ how they always use the term counter-revolutionary when peops talk about the bullshit they done... Personally i feel if zuma had the interest of the nation at heart he wont even be in the running to be president, has he even ever distanced himself from the whole 'we will kill for zuma' brigade? i'd really want to ask him if the ANC will ever agree to a public debate with him on the panel - what plans does he have for his government, what are his policies? what will be different in his government
sounds like a white man talking to me.
You're a racist.
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SMH @ how they always use the term counter-revolutionary when peops talk about the bullshit they done... Personally i feel if zuma had the interest of the nation at heart he wont even be in the running to be president, has he even ever distanced himself from the whole 'we will kill for zuma' brigade? i'd really want to ask him if the ANC will ever agree to a public debate with him on the panel - what plans does he have for his government, what are his policies? what will be different in his government
thats a very counter revulutionary statement you have made there Sir black ;D.
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LOL at Pyro and Betty...word this counter-revolutionerist
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i think at a certain point, we should stop making excuses for dim-witted behavior. i dont understand how we support a dude that hasnt shown a single leadership quality. except that he can sing and get everyone singing his song. sure hes a struggle heroe, sure we are a new democracy but that aint an excuse to run this beautiful country to the ground by allowing a diretionless person to rule...
I for one wont be voting... not that it will make a dent in his campaign
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and by not voting the problem will be solved?????? :o
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I for one wont be voting... not that it will make a dent in his campaign
You and me both kind sir....
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and by not voting the problem will be solved?????? :o
i cant vote for someone whose policies i have no idea about... and i dont trust anyone else
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zapa is the man
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ooops i ment ZAPS
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This is what Hayibo had to say about the matter.
ANC, with 15 million votes and new warships, frightened by cartoon
PRETORIA. Party insiders have confirmed that despite having a guaranteed two-thirds majority in the next election, the entire GDP at its disposal, R30-billion worth of high-tech weaponry, and complete control of the national broadcaster, the ANC has been "badly frightened" by a controversial cartoon by Jonathan Shapiro depicting the rape of South Africa's justice system by Jacob Zuma.
The cartoon appeared over the weekend in the Sunday Times and immediately unleashed a storm of activity at the ANC's headquarters in Luthuli House, where an alert level of 'Mshini Wami 4' was declared.
It was the first time Luthuli House has gone to 'Mshini Wami 4', the previous highest being 'Mshini Wami 2', declared in 2006 after Zuma had his account with Amazon.com suspended over late payment for a consignment of books which included the collected works of Freud and an illustrated beginner's guide to the work of Germaine Greer.
Addressing the Luthuli House press corps this morning, party spokesman Doughnut Phiri said that Shapiro needed to be "eliminated, destroyed or killed, both literally and/or metaphorically and/or metaphysically, or whichever one we are allowed to do by the Human Rights Commission".
Asked why the ANC and its allies had chosen to present an outraged united front against a solitary cartoonist rather than against Aids, crime, or the abuse of women, Phiri said that Shapiro was "more dangerous than Aids, criminals and women combined".
He declined to explain how this was the case, but said it was "logical to everyone but racists and counterrevolutionaries".
He added that the state could still decide to pursue Shapiro "with everything at its disposal".
This included four corvettes, one manned submarine and two unmanned submarines on bricks, six Swedish fighter jets flown by pilots leased from the Botswana Air Force, an oral poet named SlamSista Mzanzi, 15 million loyal voters, and a slightly soiled copy of the Constitution.
Shapiro could not be reached for comment this morning as he is currently in New York attending a United Nations-sponsored conference called 'South African Leadership: An Oxymoron For Our Times'.
Ha ha ha ha ha! i swear the people behind HAYIBO must be one bored rich mofos who have nothing else to do. ;D
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Word to Zapiro... dude is gangster, and this pic will give out a message to the people... Why? because its a picture...
I see A.G cats writing in that fancy english putting in alotta input, so i might aswell...
Theres surprisingly alot of people that wont read in this country, lazy students, magents ko kasi(niggas in the hood), old folks tired as f*** and people that just wont read...
See they would rather hear from someone else or See it on the t.v or follow old beliefs about certain issues, coz its so hard to self acquire that kind of knowledge but truth is it aint...
But luckily Mr Zapiro drew a picture, now ignant people can be like oooohhhh ahhhhhhhh thats what they were going on about... this picture, is huge, opens the minds of many, hopefully people will see now the type of crony Jacob Zuma is, and f*** the niggas nealing down(Vavi, Malema, Mantashe, Nzimande) i see this picture as displaying Zuma about to Rape What NELSON MANDELA worked so hard for, these Niggas think they can duck justice, even though thats gangster but nah not at this level... It took great people to bring us this new South Africa, now they wana mess that up...
YOU ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW OLDMAN, and all this is about which culture is superior if only yall knew, you wonder why Thabo Mbeki and his peeps aint doin shit, cos soon(hopefully never) they too will neal down and kiss Zumas ring... luckily we got smart niggas, Zapiro niggas...
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Zapiro just threw another Jab.
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