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Title: maggz
Post by: Myth on March 14, 2009, 01:33:37 AM
OK OK OK...this dude is dope. f***

this soulful track with bongz on the hook, what the heck?

thats the freshest shit iv heard in ages...

beautiful music

bigups SA!
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: watziznehmegin on March 14, 2009, 01:44:56 AM
where you hear it? got links?
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Blac Satyr on March 14, 2009, 06:23:06 AM
On Shizniz, Maggz is the future, even when he raps in zulu, he doesnt add 2 much of it, 2 create a balance for his music to be heard by many... so those trax he did on the show, can be found on his cumin album or that sorry 4 the long w8t thats nowhere 2b found?
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Myth on March 14, 2009, 06:59:38 AM
ooh actualy the recent album is titled: THE BREAKOUT or something

bongani fa**ie produced the whole thang....

lol, i heard the track i was going on about, on metro fm...''BLIND (MALICIOUS)''

its really cool
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: RearrangedReality on March 14, 2009, 10:33:48 AM
This cat is really dope. I enjoy his zulu rap even better. Metro FM plays his music a lot. Theres this joint with a mid 90's feel to it. sort of like a commercial track from then, i think its called Huslte or Been Hustling for So Long featuring some nice female voice i dont know. would like to hear the album. Bongani is Talented.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: RearrangedReality on March 14, 2009, 10:48:40 AM
anybody know his myspace page?
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Bashin on March 14, 2009, 11:31:35 AM
@RR.. its myspace.com/joburgmaggz
and the song you talkin about  should be on the mixtape..
"...ngiyobona oo Magubane/ngoba angazi ngubani umngani/ba jumpa amabhoto bakzame ngombane/"
"my brother's enemies r my enemies/but wat happens wen yo brotha is the enemy" ..Some of the lyrics in it
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Koli qha on March 14, 2009, 12:19:06 PM
This cat is really dope.

Bongani is Talented.

Word!
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: rob_one on March 14, 2009, 12:27:56 PM
I think he owes everyone an apology for inflicting that Crazy Lu promo video on us. ;D
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Myth on March 14, 2009, 01:03:54 PM
true...bongani is mad talented...was kinda skeptical when he came out.,.thought he was gonna ride on brenda being his mom and ish...

but yeah yeah respect....

 
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: K9 tha Pedigree on March 14, 2009, 01:35:08 PM
Maggz is very talented no doubt, iv got the album and 2 b honest im a lil dissapointed I expected way way more, it sounds like a Maggz version of Fresh 2 def( Da les album), its this whole swagger bullshit got niggaz diluting thier lyrics and shit. Overall the breakout is a dope album, and I think he shouldnt have used bongz on every beat, coz some of the tracks are uninspired, and theres a lil 2much Auto tune for me
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Koli qha on March 14, 2009, 01:42:09 PM
word? where u cop it at? or did u get it from him/them?
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: K9 tha Pedigree on March 15, 2009, 07:09:17 AM
Yeah I got it from them
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Koli qha on March 15, 2009, 08:31:36 AM
so its not coppable?
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: TATEguru v.2K9 on March 15, 2009, 09:18:58 AM
so its not coppable?
A common theme in SA hip hop.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Koli qha on March 15, 2009, 10:10:18 AM
listened to the stuff he has on his myspace page! it's not like the few trax i heard on Shizniz.. the shit i heard on shizniz made me feel like i wasn't doin enuf. the stuff i heard on his myspace is not as hot!
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Myth on March 15, 2009, 10:23:20 AM
so its not coppable?
A common theme in SA hip hop.

reminds me of cap city music...
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: SolitaryNative on March 15, 2009, 11:12:27 AM
AKA remix w Maggz and Slikour dropped on Metro the other night. Yes Rob the autotune one lol. Maggz came through mad strong as ever don't have a copy though yet.  The Maggz mixtape was dope enough and is trackable. I also got a hand to hand but I think it may be coppable through the Ceative Recreation set.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Killa Merc on March 15, 2009, 01:39:45 PM
I copped the album @ Look & Listen. So it is Coppable.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: K9 tha Pedigree on March 15, 2009, 04:57:44 PM
It is coppable, and you should cop it
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: the panic! on March 16, 2009, 12:45:46 PM
anyone mind upping a mixtape? i take it they're free, right?
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Mind Bendah on March 16, 2009, 01:03:12 PM
I copped the album @ Look & Listen. So it is Coppable.

Which look and listen dude?
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: The CHEF on March 16, 2009, 02:10:55 PM
so its not coppable?
A common theme in SA hip hop.

reminds me of cap city music...

Not entirely so, Cap city budget is the reason the whole world is going under Recession ;D

Most talent and dope gems come from right here...

but on the real, most niccz have been focusing on cooking up stuff and doing shows elsewhere, whereby they had less time releasing what they are not confortable of. Groups like The Anvils have toured most of the country and they are still going to release, hense one shud not forget that they are also cooking up solo projects and made moves by being featured on countless mixtapes or projects. There are a lot of examples I can give but I dont wanna dwell on that. :D
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Myth on March 16, 2009, 02:21:16 PM
^^whats gud?

my bad man, i just thought ''coppable'' meant its hard to find in music stores....im pretty  sure a lot of folk can attest to that...CAP CITY HIPHOP IS HARD TO GET HOLD OF....or maybe i reside in the wrong part of the world. lol

one!
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: TY-D-CPT-021-NKE on March 16, 2009, 02:46:46 PM
man i dont cop shit no more yo...i wana make it out there and if i do and i will then all youll bishes gotza buy my ish you feel me...cause its one and the same
for all mczz or artists or wateva...cause sales are what boosts your paper and if niccas are copin your ish even tho you will be world wide known you will be world wide broke?
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Dpleezy on March 16, 2009, 02:56:43 PM
man i dont cop shit no more yo...i wana make it out there and if i do and i will then all youll bishes gotza buy my ish you feel me...cause its one and the same
for all mczz or artists or wateva...cause sales are what boosts your paper and if niccas are copin your ish even tho you will be world wide known you will be world wide broke?

do you mean 'copping' as in not paying for?
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Trinidad-Hux on March 16, 2009, 03:14:02 PM
Maggz is very talented no doubt, iv got the album and 2 b honest im a lil dissapointed I expected way way more, it sounds like a Maggz version of Fresh 2 def( Da les album), its this whole swagger bullshit got niggaz diluting thier lyrics and shit. Overall the breakout is a dope album, and I think he shouldnt have used bongz on every beat, coz some of the tracks are uninspired, and theres a lil 2much Auto tune for me

You're telling the truth.

Title: Re: maggz
Post by: K9 tha Pedigree on March 16, 2009, 03:28:00 PM
Yeah dawg and its sad, wrong beat selection killed this 4 me
Like on the track ITS ON YOU, Da les has a better verse than Maggz, how the f*** is that possible ???
Y did Bongz give Maggz Trap beats, you can even feel that he aint comfortable spitting on them, like they tryna change him into sum south rapper, I think Maggz needed a few Sean pages beats them soulful yet gangsta shits
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Blizzard on March 16, 2009, 03:52:19 PM
Yeah dawg and its sad, wrong beat selection killed this 4 me
, I think Maggz needed a few Sean pages beats them soulful yet gangsta shits

truth.com/waarheid/inyaniso/iqiniso/nnete
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Trinidad-Hux on March 16, 2009, 03:56:30 PM
Yeah dawg and its sad, wrong beat selection killed this 4 me
Like on the track ITS ON YOU, Da les has a better verse than Maggz, how the f*** is that possible ???
Y did Bongz give Maggz Trap beats, you can even feel that he aint comfortable spitting on them, like they tryna change him into sum south rapper, I think Maggz needed a few Sean pages beats them soulful yet gangsta shits

No Doubt K9. Maggz is mad nice. My only problem with the album was that I could reference most of the joints. Bongz's talent was his curse on this one. He's got a dope ear and can recreate stuff but perhaps that was the problem. I heard two joints that sound exactly like Rick Ross's Hustlin', heard one that sounded like DJ Khaled's I'm So Hood and the AKON-T-Pain thing got out of hand.  

These dudes are doing their thing though and it would be crazy not to acknowledge the talent that's within their camp. I'm just not sure if they would let Maggz shine the way he should. Would da les be cool with m.a dub being a bigger artist than him? I'm not sure. It's unfortunate coz this dude is way nicer than everyone at ghetto ruff (no disrespect to all the rappers there). But again, he's a grown man and is probably comfortable with that setup, and probably believes in his camp. He's doing his thing.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Dpleezy on March 16, 2009, 04:42:02 PM
Yeah,,, i agree with a lot of the comments above.

There is no doubt that Maggz has got talent and a killer smooth flow. However, the album is mostly way too generic. Bongz is a very musical dude and a great performer, but his production just sounds like too many big hits that are already out (and have been out for a while). If this was released in the States, people wouldn't be jumping on him for biting Akon / T-Pain. It's not just the auto-tune, it's the melody structures and the actual tone and sound of his voice. There's a track where Maggz sounds just like Lil Wayne with the auto-tune too. It undermines the fact that there are big tracks on the album, and big personalities behind them. Originality can't be underestimated. If you've got the talent, you need the direction too.

I really believe that Maggz and Bongz could be international artists if they took risks and came with a more original sound.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Tonnes on March 16, 2009, 04:59:22 PM
these comments just killed my anticipation for this ish.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Soul Amazin' on March 16, 2009, 05:02:07 PM
same here Liquidz...sounds like another album that's not worth buying.... :(
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Dpleezy on March 16, 2009, 05:07:17 PM
i would still buy it if i was you. it's dope, just not the most original music ever made. I would have liked more Omen production on there too.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: K9 tha Pedigree on March 16, 2009, 05:09:40 PM
No, you should cop the album i think I expected to much from Maggz
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: ProVerb on March 16, 2009, 05:46:02 PM
Tried to get it over the weekend, ended up in a lengthy debate with the store manager about how they don't help local muso's
made the example of how all our stuff is shelved poorly and they don't put our posters up and promotional material, not to metion in the actual store they never play SA Hip hop always international guys and if they play local it's some boerMusiek or sum..
anyway needless to say I didn't get the Maggz and I've probably ruined my chances of being stocked there..(Top CD Cresta)
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Mad on March 16, 2009, 06:06:50 PM
co sign on this thread, maggz is too ill, last time i heard him i thought he was american

dope flow, dope lyrics and dope swagger.......nice
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Dpleezy on March 16, 2009, 06:30:14 PM
Tried to get it over the weekend, ended up in a lengthy debate with the store manager about how they don't help local muso's
made the example of how all our stuff is shelved poorly and they don't put our posters up and promotional material, not to metion in the actual store they never play SA Hip hop always international guys and if they play local it's some boerMusiek or sum..
anyway needless to say I didn't get the Maggz and I've probably ruined my chances of being stocked there..(Top CD Cresta)

Preach brother! :)
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Trinidad-Hux on March 17, 2009, 09:27:43 AM
Yeah,,, i agree with a lot of the comments above.

There is no doubt that Maggz has got talent and a killer smooth flow. However, the album is mostly way too generic. Bongz is a very musical dude and a great performer, but his production just sounds like too many big hits that are already out (and have been out for a while). If this was released in the States, people wouldn't be jumping on him for biting Akon / T-Pain. It's not just the auto-tune, it's the melody structures and the actual tone and sound of his voice. There's a track where Maggz sounds just like Lil Wayne with the auto-tune too. It undermines the fact that there are big tracks on the album, and big personalities behind them. Originality can't be underestimated. If you've got the talent, you need the direction too.

I really believe that Maggz and Bongz could be international artists if they took risks and came with a more original sound.

Co-sign everything you said. Am curious though D. There was a time when you were lambasting rappers who 'sound American', saying they weren't representing SA. You seem to have taken a liking to M.A Dub. So, you've finally made peace with the fact that we all don't have to sound like Ben Sharpa, Rattex or PRO? Just curious coz at times you're not really consistent and contradiction tends to creep in. 
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Papa ThReAdS on March 17, 2009, 09:49:23 AM
Im actually keen to hear this. The few joints i heard on metro were dope. The whole 'generic' music story is tired. Good music, is good music. Whether you play it and thoroughly enjoy it for a week and use it as a coaster for you ice cold beer a month later is irrelevant. 

Like most products today, they loose value once their purpose has been served. Nothing is made to last forever. Lets get with the program and stop whining about origionality.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: General Ratzinger van Stilzkin on March 17, 2009, 09:56:28 AM
I'll buy it... if i can find it...
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: the panic! on March 17, 2009, 09:59:17 AM
Im actually keen to hear this. The few joints i heard on metro were dope. The whole 'generic' music story is tired. Good music, is good music. Whether you play it and thoroughly enjoy it for a week and use it as a coaster for you ice cold beer a month later is irrelevant. 

Like most products today, they loose value once their purpose has been served. Nothing is made to last forever. Lets get with the program and stop whining about origionality.

*yawn*

on the other hand, it's an interesting chapter in SA hip hop for anyone keeping score.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Papa ThReAdS on March 17, 2009, 10:07:31 AM
Im actually keen to hear this. The few joints i heard on metro were dope. The whole 'generic' music story is tired. Good music, is good music. Whether you play it and thoroughly enjoy it for a week and use it as a coaster for you ice cold beer a month later is irrelevant. 

Like most products today, they loose value once their purpose has been served. Nothing is made to last forever. Lets get with the program and stop whining about origionality.

*yawn*

on the other hand, it's an interesting chapter in SA hip hop for anyone keeping score.

Lol. You party pooper!
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Dpleezy on March 17, 2009, 10:30:28 AM
Yeah,,, i agree with a lot of the comments above.

There is no doubt that Maggz has got talent and a killer smooth flow. However, the album is mostly way too generic. Bongz is a very musical dude and a great performer, but his production just sounds like too many big hits that are already out (and have been out for a while). If this was released in the States, people wouldn't be jumping on him for biting Akon / T-Pain. It's not just the auto-tune, it's the melody structures and the actual tone and sound of his voice. There's a track where Maggz sounds just like Lil Wayne with the auto-tune too. It undermines the fact that there are big tracks on the album, and big personalities behind them. Originality can't be underestimated. If you've got the talent, you need the direction too.

I really believe that Maggz and Bongz could be international artists if they took risks and came with a more original sound.

Co-sign everything you said. Am curious though D. There was a time when you were lambasting rappers who 'sound American', saying they weren't representing SA. You seem to have taken a liking to M.A Dub. So, you've finally made peace with the fact that we all don't have to sound like Ben Sharpa, Rattex or PRO? Just curious coz at times you're not really consistent and contradiction tends to creep in. 

I have never lambasted rappers who 'sound American'. Ben Sharpa sounds American. 50 Cent sounds American. MF Doom sounds American. Even KONFAB has a bit of a twang.

It's not so much about the accent, as it is about mimicry. How can South Africans ever be proud of something that is totally devoid of originality and takes all its cues from other artists on another continent?

Maggz and Bongz obviously have talent, but before I can consider either of them to be world-cla** artists, let alone amongst the best in SA, they have to do something original. I think this criteria can be applied to any artist from any continent. I'm not talking about groundbreaking, experimental, never-heard-before originality. I'm talking about bringing some element of their own flavour to the game - something that makes them unique artists in their own right. Wearing a GP fitted just isn't enough for me.

The thing is, it's not about what I want, it's about what the public wants. Gospel, traditional and House are outselling Hip Hop ma**ively. How many units did Da L.E.S. sell?

Threadz has a valid point. If you can get away with making a catchy auto-tune track that sounds exactly like T-Pain, good luck to you. It's just not what I aspire to.

Title: Re: maggz
Post by: K9 tha Pedigree on March 17, 2009, 11:35:47 AM
Da les sold 1500 units only, and hes the most popular rapper in SA at the moment, i dont have a problem with auto tune but the way them niggaz use it, Bongz is talented enough to come up with his own melodies, I dont understand y hes gotta be a mimic of akon/ T-pain and dream and Les is just a clone of every other rapper.
But like I said get the Maggz album its dope, I just think that he should have chosen other beats coz he aint a south rapper.
Its like when Crackboys record there are certain beats that I dont hop on coz im not comfortable
anyways tracks to look out 4 are, in your hood, malicious, haters and a couple of other dope 1s, get past the auto tune and youl c its actually 1 of the most solid albums to eva hit SA
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Killa Merc on March 17, 2009, 11:40:31 AM
I think Maggz needed a few Sean pages beats them soulful yet gangsta shits

I think all the Maggz joints I have liked in the [past were produced by Sean Pages. one was on the Mbizo mixtape , one on morale's mixtape. Sean pages / Hipe / Omen would have been good for him. Bonz is too dope though, but he did not not give much variety as he can. I know that Bongz is probably one of the most versatile producers in the mothalnd, but it doesnt show on this here album.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Bobby Banks on March 17, 2009, 11:45:31 AM
that beat for haterz is really something.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: the panic! on March 17, 2009, 12:25:32 PM
Ben Sharpa sounds American.

hmm...i'd say dude sounds more 'larney' than American.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Dpleezy on March 17, 2009, 12:48:50 PM
Ben Sharpa sounds American.

hmm...i'd say dude sounds more 'larney' than American.

Ironic that you think someone who spent most of his life in the US sounds less American than some of our local 'Americans' who've never left SA :)
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: the panic! on March 17, 2009, 12:53:51 PM
i know you wanted to drive that point, D, but i really didn't say that shit. :)
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Dpleezy on March 17, 2009, 01:01:37 PM
i know you wanted to drive that point, D, but i really didn't say that shit. :)

hahah,, so sue me :)
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: the panic! on March 17, 2009, 05:15:10 PM
so what are you saying, D? that Maggz is dope or wack? he's bringing it or he needs more people? and he sounds way the f*** more American than Ben Sharpa. :)
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Dpleezy on March 17, 2009, 05:19:53 PM
so what are you saying, D? that Maggz is dope or wack? he's bringing it or he needs more people? and he sounds way the f*** more American than Ben Sharpa. :)

I've said it all above. I think Maggz is a talented artist. However, I think his album is slightly disappointing for the reasons I mentioned above.

I wonder who our most American-sounding rapper in SA is? :)
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: the panic! on March 17, 2009, 05:35:38 PM
i don't know. our mainstream hip hop has never been this close to stuff that's being produced in the 'mecca' that is America. it leads me to wonder what the next step will be - say five or six years from now - will we still be taking all our cues from the states, or by then will we have established the confidence to take bolder (albeit mainstream) risks? - or will we (like it could be argued now) be producing simultaneously and in sync with America and Europe a globalized hip hop?

the time lapse it usually takes for trends to precipitate down to our corner of the world has been considerably shortened by the internet - what cats are doing now is a direct result of this. even Ben Sharpa's work with Milanese takes it's cues from the electro-hop, ba**-rap party bunch big in America and Europe at the moment.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: ProVerb on March 17, 2009, 05:39:54 PM
so what are you saying, D? that Maggz is dope or wack? he's bringing it or he needs more people? and he sounds way the f*** more American than Ben Sharpa. :)

I've said it all above. I think Maggz is a talented artist. However, I think his album is slightly disappointing for the reasons I mentioned above.

I wonder who our most American-sounding rapper in SA is? :)

That'll make a for an interesting topic, I don't mind an accent on an mc it's when they use too much ebonyx or slang that it really sounds like overkill.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: eraze on March 17, 2009, 05:58:35 PM
so what are you saying, D? that Maggz is dope or wack? he's bringing it or he needs more people? and he sounds way the f*** more American than Ben Sharpa. :)



I've said it all above. I think Maggz is a talented artist. However, I think his album is slightly disappointing for the reasons I mentioned above.

I wonder who our most American-sounding rapper in SA is? :)

That'll make a for an interesting topic, I don't mind an accent on an mc it's when they use too much ebonyx or slang that it really sounds like overkill.

yes, its funny Mr Canibus oh sorry, Proverb....its funny u say that, coz if u ask me, u is a prime example of SA rapper with an Accent for days.....



ps. atleast Maggz aint biting off Canibus the rhyming tarantula....
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Malcom E.K.K.S on March 17, 2009, 06:01:17 PM
^^^^ Bwahahahaha.... Post dat in the ether award thread...Damn!!!!
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Dpleezy on March 17, 2009, 07:35:26 PM
i don't know. our mainstream hip hop has never been this close to stuff that's being produced in the 'mecca' that is America. it leads me to wonder what the next step will be - say five or six years from now - will we still be taking all our cues from the states, or by then will we have established the confidence to take bolder (albeit mainstream) risks? - or will we (like it could be argued now) be producing simultaneously and in sync with America and Europe a globalized hip hop?

the time lapse it usually takes for trends to precipitate down to our corner of the world has been considerably shortened by the internet - what cats are doing now is a direct result of this. even Ben Sharpa's work with Milanese takes it's cues from the electro-hop, ba**-rap party bunch big in America and Europe at the moment.

the difference is that Milanese is a recognised originator of that style.

The reason Ben is getting great reviews from European media and getting booked at festivals all over the world is because he is at forefront of a movement - not because he is mimicking current pop trends.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Killa Merc on March 18, 2009, 09:18:31 AM
it would be real funny if this turned into "who's the most American sounding rapper in SA" Joke, i tell you.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: the panic! on March 18, 2009, 10:22:49 AM
i don't know. our mainstream hip hop has never been this close to stuff that's being produced in the 'mecca' that is America. it leads me to wonder what the next step will be - say five or six years from now - will we still be taking all our cues from the states, or by then will we have established the confidence to take bolder (albeit mainstream) risks? - or will we (like it could be argued now) be producing simultaneously and in sync with America and Europe a globalized hip hop?

the time lapse it usually takes for trends to precipitate down to our corner of the world has been considerably shortened by the internet - what cats are doing now is a direct result of this. even Ben Sharpa's work with Milanese takes it's cues from the electro-hop, ba**-rap party bunch big in America and Europe at the moment.

the difference is that Milanese is a recognised originator of that style.

The reason Ben is getting great reviews from European media and getting booked at festivals all over the world is because he is at forefront of a movement - not because he is mimicking current pop trends.

man, i was hoping this would be the point you'd give the least attention to. i mean i know about Milanese and Ben Sharpa is dope (though i'm not sure what movement you're referring to?), but what do you think of mimickry moving onto simultaneous production - Bongz and them playing equally in the field of global mainstream hip hop? i mean we can't say that these cats are completely devoid of a South African context (they refrence that shit throughout), and the mainstream anyway, has never been known for innovation. it's not just South Africans (or Africans actually) that bite these styles but it's a global thing that happens even in America (everyone bit T-Pain; the continent didn't just simultaneously come up with that shit). 

Milanese might be an innovator, but Playdoe's doing their thing here in SA and there's a lot of other guys with the same style popping up in America and Europe. is that mimickry?

what i'm asking is that now that we're doing what they're doing at more or less the same time, is it possible that sometime in the future, SA might set its own trends in globalized mainstream hip hop?

i mean it almost goes without saying that these cats (Bongz, Maggz etc.) would have blown up if they were from the states.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Myth on March 18, 2009, 11:11:21 AM
Panic n D...why dnt u cats open a new topic and take this debate further there....

im learning a lot

1ne
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Dpleezy on March 18, 2009, 11:15:10 AM
i don't know. our mainstream hip hop has never been this close to stuff that's being produced in the 'mecca' that is America. it leads me to wonder what the next step will be - say five or six years from now - will we still be taking all our cues from the states, or by then will we have established the confidence to take bolder (albeit mainstream) risks? - or will we (like it could be argued now) be producing simultaneously and in sync with America and Europe a globalized hip hop?

the time lapse it usually takes for trends to precipitate down to our corner of the world has been considerably shortened by the internet - what cats are doing now is a direct result of this. even Ben Sharpa's work with Milanese takes it's cues from the electro-hop, ba**-rap party bunch big in America and Europe at the moment.

the difference is that Milanese is a recognised originator of that style.

The reason Ben is getting great reviews from European media and getting booked at festivals all over the world is because he is at forefront of a movement - not because he is mimicking current pop trends.

man, i was hoping this would be the point you'd give the least attention to. i mean i know about Milanese and Ben Sharpa is dope (though i'm not sure what movement you're referring to?), but what do you think of mimickry moving onto simultaneous production - Bongz and them playing equally in the field of global mainstream hip hop? i mean we can't say that these cats are completely devoid of a South African context (they refrence that shit throughout), and the mainstream anyway, has never been known for innovation. it's not just South Africans (or Africans actually) that bite these styles but it's a global thing that happens even in America (everyone bit T-Pain; the continent didn't just simultaneously come up with that shit). 

Milanese might be an innovator, but Playdoe's doing their thing here in SA and there's a lot of other guys with the same style popping up in America and Europe. is that mimickry?

what i'm asking is that now that we're doing what they're doing at more or less the same time, is it possible that sometime in the future, SA might set its own trends in globalized mainstream hip hop?

i mean it almost goes without saying that these cats (Bongz, Maggz etc.) would have blown up if they were from the states.

I don't think it goes without saying that Bongz and Maggz would have blown up if they were from the States (if you mean blowing up in the States). There are hundreds of thousands of dope rappers and producers out there (probably in every State). Only a tiny elite blow up. Generally this elite is derived from innovators at the front of the curve, not lagging behind it.

In marketing theory you have the innovation adoption curve which I believe can be applied to artists too.

http://www.valuebasedmanagement.net/image/picture_rogers_adoption_innovation_curve.gif (http://www.valuebasedmanagement.net/image/picture_rogers_adoption_innovation_curve.gif)

Innovators
Brave people, puling the change. Innovators are very important communication.

Early Adopters
Respectable people, opinion leaders, try out new ideas, but in a careful way.

Early Majority
Thoughtful people, careful but accepting change more quickly than the average.

Late Majority
Sceptical people, will use new ideas or products only when the majority is using it.

Laggards
Traditional people, caring for the "old ways", are critical towards new ideas and will only accept it if the new idea has become mainstream or even tradition.

Obviously this doesn't fit perfectly for music, but I think certain parallels can be drawn. Bongz and Maggz could be cla**ified as part of the late majority by their heavy use of well-established international pop trends, auto-tune and swag (respectively). However, what puts them ever further behind the curve is not simply the fact that they use these trends, but that they use them in a way that is so similar to T-Pain and Akon as to be almost indistinguishable from them.

T-Pain didn't invent auto-tune (it's been around since the 1970s as far as I know), but he blew it up in a new mainstream way. Even though he's pop, I still believe that he is an innovator as he created his own style of RnB / Snap / Hip Hop. He made it his own. Kanye also used it, but he did it in his own way. He also made it his own. Likewise with Lil Wayne (I'd never heard verses rapped through auto-tune until Weezy did it).

We have very little critical media in SA, so people can get away with blatant biting and no one calls it out. If you did that in Europe or the States you'd have no credibility as an artist because you'd be called out (or even worse, just ignored by the public and the media). It's pretty easy to tell the difference between innovation and biting. I don't think you need to be a music historian to know it when you hear it.

Obviously there is still a market in SA for Late Majority artists, but music like this will never set trends because the trend has already been well established. SA artists will only create international trends in mainstream hip hop when they take risks and do something original. However, it's not just as simple as creating innovative music. SA doesn't have worldwide media like the US does so, until that changes, SA artists will always have to go overseas but that's a different story.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Alcohol Abuser on March 18, 2009, 11:59:43 AM
Y'all know you wouldn't be sayin this ish... if Lu was still with Bongz and 'em,, somebody will have been stabbed right now whatch ur mou ;Dth D.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: the panic! on March 18, 2009, 12:06:59 PM
I don't think it goes without saying that Bongz and Maggz would have blown up if they were from the States (if you mean blowing up in the States). There are hundreds of thousands of dope rappers and producers out there (probably in every State). Only a tiny elite blow up. Generally this elite is derived from innovators at the front of the curve, not lagging behind it.

even though i actually said "almost without saying" i don't agree with this as applied to mainstream hip hop. i think it's more a matter of timing, marketing, establishing an angle - and being, more or less, 'decent' on the mic or on the boards. all of which they could easily muster up if someone chose to give them the chance. how else would you explain Plies blowing up - Boosie, Gucci Mane, Webbie or even Whiz Khalifa? the basis of my statement is more or less based on my opinion that Bongz and Maggz are easily above average when it comes to mainstream hip hop in the US.

In marketing theory you have the innovation adoption curve which I believe can be applied to artists too.

(http://www.valuebasedmanagement.net/image/picture_rogers_adoption_innovation_curve.gif)

Innovators
Brave people, puling the change. Innovators are very important communication.

Early Adopters
Respectable people, opinion leaders, try out new ideas, but in a careful way.

Early Majority
Thoughtful people, careful but accepting change more quickly than the average.

Late Majority
Sceptical people, will use new ideas or products only when the majority is using it.

Laggards
Traditional people, caring for the "old ways", are critical towards new ideas and will only accept it if the new idea has become mainstream or even tradition.

Obviously this doesn't fit perfectly for music, but I think certain parallels can be drawn. Bongz and Maggz could be cla**ified as part of the late majority by their heavy use of well-established international pop trends, auto-tune and swag (respectively). However, what puts them ever further behind the curve is not simply the fact that they use these trends, but that they use them in a way that is so similar to T-Pain and Akon as to be almost indistinguishable from them.

again, i can't quite agree with this. how can Bongz and Maggz be cla**ified under the Late Majority in mainstream hip hop when international urban charts echo the same sound? who makes up for the Innovator and the Early Majority then, if we confine it to the mainstream? have these people blown up or are they still being incubated?

T-Pain didn't invent auto-tune (it's been around since the 1970s as far as I know), but he blew it up in a new mainstream way. Even though he's pop, I still believe that he is an innovator as he created his own style of RnB / Snap / Hip Hop. He made it his own. Kanye also used it, but he did it in his own way. He also made it his own. Likewise with Lil Wayne (I'd never heard verses rapped through auto-tune until Weezy did it).

We have very little critical media in SA, so people can get away with blatant biting and no one calls it out. If you did that in Europe or the States you'd have no credibility as an artist because you'd be called out (or even worse, just ignored by the public and the media). It's pretty easy to tell the difference between innovation and biting. I don't think you need to be a music historian to know it when you hear it.

again, i don't think this can be applied to mainstream hip hop. you are allowed to sound the same (and it does!) so long as you have a gimmick or a backstory that sets you apart. an element that doesn't even have to be musical. just off the top of my head: listen to Weezy's "Yes", MIMS' "Move", and "What Up Man" by the Cool Kids - all tracks from seemingly divergent artists with the same basic sound template (and that's leaving out the Southern rappers!).

Obviously there is still a market in SA for Late Majority artists, but music like this will never set trends because the trend has already been well established. SA artists will only create international trends in mainstream hip hop when they take risks and do something original. However, it's not just as simple as creating innovative music. SA doesn't have worldwide media like the US does so, until that changes, SA artists will always have to go overseas but that's a different story.

the first bolded part: this is basically the basis of my question. i honestly believe following from where we are now, this could be the next logical step. in other words i think it will get to a point where SA no longer waits for American cues (for fads like auto-tune), but creates it's own, while still insisting on drawing from the basic mainstream ("sounding" American) template. meaning it might not necessarily be unique in a South African way, but it could be a fad from here that could take off or at least compete internationally.

the second bolded part is the only threat to this and it's something that's becoming easier to overcome through the internet.

i think Innovation in mainstream hip hop shouldn't be seen as necessarily that. it's more like popularization. fine, when we see the end product it's usually attributed to one 'genious' (Lil' Jon, T-pain, Souljah Boy), but beyond that these sounds are usually already popular in the small communities these 'genious's come from, and more often than not they're not the only ones doing it. it's just that some blow up and some don't, and this could be put down to something as trivial as personality quirks and/or appearance. 

and just as a matter of interest, have you heard the "Like You" remix at the end of Da. Les' album?

it's electro-rap.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: SUPER RUTHLESS on March 18, 2009, 12:10:27 PM
Its a shame that the likes of Bongz were critisized when Jozi came with muthaland crunk and is now seen as just copy cats when they do what is popular at the moment....


Anyway back to Maggz, im digging that kas'laam track is raw.. the chorus is just to nice
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Dpleezy on March 18, 2009, 12:13:16 PM
Y'all know you wouldn't be sayin this ish... if Lu was still with Bongz and 'em,, somebody will have been stabbed right now whatch ur mou ;Dth D.

I was having this exact conversation with Lu last week. He's living in Atlanta at the moment primarily because he's got an album deal with Sony, but also because he doesn't believe the American sound will ever get him anywhere in SA (and won't be taken seriously outside of SA).
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Alcohol Abuser on March 18, 2009, 12:20:34 PM
Y'all know you wouldn't be sayin this ish... if Lu was still with Bongz and 'em,, somebody will have been stabbed right now whatch ur mou ;Dth D.

I was having this exact conversation with Lu last week. He's living in Atlanta at the moment primarily because he's got an album deal with Sony, but also because he doesn't believe the American sound will ever get him anywhere in SA (and won't be taken seriously outside of SA).

So what's the use of him going over there if he aint gonna be taken seriously.  Pardon me for my paranoia but I think you hatin'
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Dpleezy on March 18, 2009, 12:41:20 PM
Y'all know you wouldn't be sayin this ish... if Lu was still with Bongz and 'em,, somebody will have been stabbed right now whatch ur mou ;Dth D.

I was having this exact conversation with Lu last week. He's living in Atlanta at the moment primarily because he's got an album deal with Sony, but also because he doesn't believe the American sound will ever get him anywhere in SA (and won't be taken seriously outside of SA).

So what's the use of him going over there if he aint gonna be taken seriously.  Pardon me for my paranoia but I think you hatin'

not hating at all... i'm not saying he won't be taken seriously in the US. i'm saying that American-sounding artists based in SA won't be taken seriously in the US (and Lu agreed, which is part of the reason he is there).
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Alcohol Abuser on March 18, 2009, 12:46:33 PM
Y'all know you wouldn't be sayin this ish... if Lu was still with Bongz and 'em,, somebody will have been stabbed right now whatch ur mou ;Dth D.

I was having this exact conversation with Lu last week. He's living in Atlanta at the moment primarily because he's got an album deal with Sony, but also because he doesn't believe the American sound will ever get him anywhere in SA (and won't be taken seriously outside of SA).

So what's the use of him going over there if he aint gonna be taken seriously.  Pardon me for my paranoia but I think you hatin'

not hating at all... i'm not saying he won't be taken seriously in the US. i'm saying that American-sounding artists based in SA won't be taken seriously in the US (and Lu agreed, which is part of the reason he is there).

Call me stupid but you've just reitarated what you said on the first bolded paragraph.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Dpleezy on March 18, 2009, 12:48:53 PM
Y'all know you wouldn't be sayin this ish... if Lu was still with Bongz and 'em,, somebody will have been stabbed right now whatch ur mou ;Dth D.

I was having this exact conversation with Lu last week. He's living in Atlanta at the moment primarily because he's got an album deal with Sony, but also because he doesn't believe the American sound will ever get him anywhere in SA (and won't be taken seriously outside of SA).

So what's the use of him going over there if he aint gonna be taken seriously.  Pardon me for my paranoia but I think you hatin'

not hating at all... i'm not saying he won't be taken seriously in the US. i'm saying that American-sounding artists based in SA won't be taken seriously in the US (and Lu agreed, which is part of the reason he is there).

Call me stupid but you've just reitarated what you said on the first bolded paragraph.

Ok, maybe I misunderstood you. How am I hating?
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: SUPER RUTHLESS on March 18, 2009, 12:53:54 PM
Lets just call him stupid  :D
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: emceeKasualT on March 18, 2009, 12:56:36 PM
I saw Maggz perform at 88 a few weeks ago.. and I gotta say.. I was mildly dissapointed.. Maybe it had more to do with shitty sound, but it didnt translate the same energy as his recorded material...

Either way. Dude is nice with his. I been hearing some good reports abouts Jozi's trip out to Panama .. so maybe then we can get a good reflection of what it is that Americans really think about American sounding SA hip-hop...
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Alcohol Abuser on March 18, 2009, 12:59:25 PM
I'm not attackin you here but I think you view of how "African" hip hop sppsed to be nowadays is only confined to your understanding which is "originality" that you keep talkin ala' your konfabs, sharpa etc, let's be real wether we like it or not the interned has made us more global in one way or the other if Sharpa is gettin love in europe then good looks for him, but to keep on coming with this old skool keep real ish...(disguised as originality) puttin down S.A artist who are trying to be global in their craft is plain hate.

@Ruthless "YOUR MAMA"
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: MrC The Rap God Almighty on March 18, 2009, 01:04:46 PM
I'm not attackin you here but I think you view of how "African" hip hop sppsed to be nowadays is only confined to your understanding which is "originality" that you keep talkin ala' your konfabs, sharpa etc,

Co-sign. Seems like it's mainly P-UNIT/Cape Town artists who are "original" in D's eyez. If your tryin to do BOOM-BAP your stuck in 90's. You doing CRUNK, your copying the latest trends. But if your doing that non-sensical spaced out shit your not immitating DEF JUX, your just being innovative.Oh, and ELECTRO is cool . Kasi rap is cool too, cos Prokid has done it, and done it well  ::)
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: General Ratzinger van Stilzkin on March 18, 2009, 01:12:19 PM
I'm not attackin you here but I think you view of how "African" hip hop sppsed to be nowadays is only confined to your understanding which is "originality" that you keep talkin ala' your konfabs, sharpa etc,

Co-sign. Seems like it's mainly P-UNIT/Cape Town artists who are "original" in D's eyez. If your tryin to do BOOM-BAP your stuck in 90's. You doing CRUNK, your copying the latest trends. But if your doing that non-sensical spaced out shit your not immitating DEF JUX, your just being innovative.Oh, and ELECTRO is cool . Kasi rap is cool too, cos Prokid has done it, and done it well  ::)


good points..

so crazy lu upped and left to ATL. lol! so i suppose the pole in the basement thing with bow wow might work huh!
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Dpleezy on March 18, 2009, 01:17:24 PM
I'm not attackin you here but I think you view of how "African" hip hop sppsed to be nowadays is only confined to your understanding which is "originality" that you keep talkin ala' your konfabs, sharpa etc, let's be real wether we like it or not the interned has made us more global in one way or the other if Sharpa is gettin love in europe then good looks for him, but to keep on coming with this old skool keep real ish...(disguised as originality) puttin down S.A artist who are trying to be global in their craft is plain hate.

@Ruthless "YOUR MAMA"

when did i mention keeping it real or old skool? I don't care what style of hip hop you do, you still have to come with something original and fresh.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Myth on March 18, 2009, 01:29:02 PM
Co-sign. Seems like it's mainly P-UNIT/Cape Town artists who are "original" in D's eyez. If your tryin to do BOOM-BAP your stuck in 90's. You doing CRUNK, your copying the latest trends. But if your doing that non-sensical spaced out shit your not immitating DEF JUX, your just being innovative.Oh, and ELECTRO is cool . Kasi rap is cool too, cos Prokid has done it, and done it well  ::)

true
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: ProVerb on March 18, 2009, 01:38:12 PM
so what are you saying, D? that Maggz is dope or wack? he's bringing it or he needs more people? and he sounds way the f*** more American than Ben Sharpa. :)



I've said it all above. I think Maggz is a talented artist. However, I think his album is slightly disappointing for the reasons I mentioned above.

I wonder who our most American-sounding rapper in SA is? :)

That'll make a for an interesting topic, I don't mind an accent on an mc it's when they use too much ebonyx or slang that it really sounds like overkill.

yes, its funny Mr Canibus oh sorry, Proverb....its funny u say that, coz if u ask me, u is a prime example of SA rapper with an Accent for days.....



ps. atleast Maggz aint biting off Canibus the rhyming tarantula....

eish lerata ntwa neh!!
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Dpleezy on March 18, 2009, 01:48:03 PM
I'm not attackin you here but I think you view of how "African" hip hop sppsed to be nowadays is only confined to your understanding which is "originality" that you keep talkin ala' your konfabs, sharpa etc,

Co-sign. Seems like it's mainly P-UNIT/Cape Town artists who are "original" in D's eyez. If your tryin to do BOOM-BAP your stuck in 90's. You doing CRUNK, your copying the latest trends. But if your doing that non-sensical spaced out shit your not immitating DEF JUX, your just being innovative.Oh, and ELECTRO is cool . Kasi rap is cool too, cos Prokid has done it, and done it well  ::)


Hahah,, nice name change, Mr Two Teams :)

I never said or implied any of that shit. Now you're hating. I've already said i think Maggz is a dope artist, i just think all the T-Pain / Akon shit isn't doing him any favours because it's played out.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: RearrangedReality on March 18, 2009, 02:04:53 PM
so what are you saying, D? that Maggz is dope or wack? he's bringing it or he needs more people? and he sounds way the f*** more American than Ben Sharpa. :)



I've said it all above. I think Maggz is a talented artist. However, I think his album is slightly disappointing for the reasons I mentioned above.

I wonder who our most American-sounding rapper in SA is? :)

That'll make a for an interesting topic, I don't mind an accent on an mc it's when they use too much ebonyx or slang that it really sounds like overkill.

yes, its funny Mr Canibus oh sorry, Proverb....its funny u say that, coz if u ask me, u is a prime example of SA rapper with an Accent for days.....



ps. atleast Maggz aint biting off Canibus the rhyming tarantula....

eish lerata ntwa neh!!


ha ha ha
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: the panic! on March 18, 2009, 02:08:54 PM
^what does that mean?
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: MrC The Rap God Almighty on March 18, 2009, 02:10:09 PM


Hahah,, nice name change, Mr Two Teams :)


 ;D ;D


I never said or implied any of that shit. Now you're hating. I've already said i think Maggz is a dope artist, i just think all the T-Pain / Akon shit isn't doing him any favours because it's played out.


Well that's the way it always comes out D. And you have previously said things like "People who do Boom Bap are caught up in the Golden Era,yadayada".U might not have said those things directly in this thread, but you are always implying them.Everybody gets the impression that what you and your artists do is better than what everyone else is doing,it's fresh and original and putting down what other artists choose to rep.

Or am i wrong people ?

and LOL @ Proverb.I guess i can officially say "Welcome to AG".
 ;D

@ panic - it means people like starting shit. ntwa = war actually.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: RearrangedReality on March 18, 2009, 02:11:39 PM
^what does that mean?

you like to fight neh!!
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Trinidad-Hux on March 18, 2009, 03:17:03 PM
Its a shame that the likes of Bongz were critisized when Jozi came with muthaland crunk and is now seen as just copy cats when they do what is popular at the moment....


Anyway back to Maggz, im digging that kas'laam track is raw.. the chorus is just to nice

Me too.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Trinidad-Hux on March 18, 2009, 03:22:36 PM
I'm not attackin you here but I think you view of how "African" hip hop sppsed to be nowadays is only confined to your understanding which is "originality" that you keep talkin ala' your konfabs, sharpa etc,

Co-sign. Seems like it's mainly P-UNIT/Cape Town artists who are "original" in D's eyez. If your tryin to do BOOM-BAP your stuck in 90's. You doing CRUNK, your copying the latest trends. But if your doing that non-sensical spaced out shit your not immitating DEF JUX, your just being innovative.Oh, and ELECTRO is cool . Kasi rap is cool too, cos Prokid has done it, and done it well  ::)


LOL... Yeah, you have to have worked with D to get props out of him.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: watziznehmegin on March 18, 2009, 03:36:40 PM
He's living in Atlanta at the moment primarily because he's got an album deal with Sony, but also because he doesn't believe the American sound will ever get him anywhere in SA (and won't be taken seriously outside of SA).

Really?! Wow! Hmm... I haven't heard about that, who is he working with? I am not in the A at the moment, but you think someone I know would have hit me up about this, considering how much I run off the lip about you guys in SA, I know a lot of people in A-Town and nobody has told me anything about this... (gets on his phone and starts calling some folks, to see what is really going down)

@ Kashal-T = Jozi performed in Panama City, a small tourist pit on the Florida panhandle, Panama is a country in Central America, I know you probably know this,... but yeah, wonder how that went.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: motho on March 18, 2009, 03:49:36 PM
I'm not attackin you here but I think you view of how "African" hip hop sppsed to be nowadays is only confined to your understanding which is "originality" that you keep talkin ala' your konfabs, sharpa etc,

Co-sign. Seems like it's mainly P-UNIT/Cape Town artists who are "original" in D's eyez. If your tryin to do BOOM-BAP your stuck in 90's. You doing CRUNK, your copying the latest trends. But if your doing that non-sensical spaced out shit your not immitating DEF JUX, your just being innovative.Oh, and ELECTRO is cool . Kasi rap is cool too, cos Prokid has done it, and done it well  ::)


LOL... Yeah, you have to have worked with D to get props out of him.

haha, u guys mara
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: RearrangedReality on March 18, 2009, 03:54:33 PM
D, if you had listened to Pastor Manning you would have known this was coming. he's been telling yall on how quick black folk can turn their back on you. all these niggas was down with you. look at them know. lol
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Msanii_XL on March 18, 2009, 04:15:03 PM
D, if you had listened to Pastor Manning you would have known this was coming. he's been telling yall on how quick black folk can turn their back on you. all these niggas was down with you. look at them know. lol

 :D :D so much potential use this "alias" wisely....
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Alcohol Abuser on March 18, 2009, 04:19:24 PM
D, if you had listened to Pastor Manning you would have known this was coming. he's been telling yall on how quick black folk can turn their back on you. all these niggas was down with you. look at them know. lol

You shut your fake phd mouth up, aint nobody is against D here if "originality and fresh" means Rattex invented spaza then I rest my case.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: K9 tha Pedigree on March 18, 2009, 04:20:47 PM
D I neva knew you and Crazy lu talked, I think the American sounding thing is played out 4real, so you telling me the rappers from DRC, Senegal, Gabon are trying to be french?
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Dpleezy on March 18, 2009, 05:36:08 PM
D I neva knew you and Crazy lu talked, I think the American sounding thing is played out 4real, so you telling me the rappers from DRC, Senegal, Gabon are trying to be french?

I would expect rappers from Francophone countries to speak French or to have a French accent, but I haven't mentioned accents once in this thread. What's your point?

I haven't worked with Koli or Maggz, but I'm giving them props. I've even given Cash props on here (despite our supposed differences and my 'hatred' of anything not made by Sharpa).

I never claimed Rattex invented Spaza, but please feel free to rest your case Gert.

SA swag rappers with American accents are always going to have a hard time in SA because they are competing with Jay-Z, 50 Cent, Lil Wayne and T.I. When a local cat says his wrists stay 'icy', everyone knows they didn't really spend R500,000 on their jewelry. If I wanna listen to a rapper talk about his possessions (which I do sometimes), I wanna know that he really has the mansion, the ferraris, the chinchillas and all that. If it's a straight swag battle, no local cat can touch the big guns in the US. We can compete in other areas though - lyrical skill, creativity, originality and south african-ness.

The main point of my involvement on this thread was to discuss whether or not Maggz's album lives up to my expectations of him (which it doesn't for the reasons mentioned before). I'll still check for anything he does in the future though, because he's talented.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Koli qha on March 18, 2009, 05:56:45 PM
Whoa! this is quite a read! keep it goin y'all
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Alcohol Abuser on March 18, 2009, 05:57:55 PM
D I neva knew you and Crazy lu talked, I think the American sounding thing is played out 4real, so you telling me the rappers from DRC, Senegal, Gabon are trying to be french?

I would expect rappers from Francophone countries to speak French or to have a French accent, but I haven't mentioned accents once in this thread. What's your point?

I haven't worked with Koli or Maggz, but I'm giving them props. I've even given Cash props on here (despite our supposed differences and my 'hatred' of anything not made by Sharpa).

I never claimed Rattex invented Spaza, but please feel free to rest your case Gert.

SA swag rappers with American accents are always going to have a hard time in SA because they are competing with Jay-Z, 50 Cent, Lil Wayne and T.I. When a local cat says his wrists stay 'icy', everyone knows they didn't really spend R500,000 on their jewelry. If I wanna listen to a rapper talk about his possessions (which I do sometimes), I wanna know that he really has the mansion, the ferraris, the chinchillas and all that. If it's a straight swag battle, no local cat can touch the big guns in the US. We can compete in other areas though - lyrical skill, creativity, originality and south african-ness.

The main point of my involvement on this thread was to discuss whether or not Maggz's album lives up to my expectations of him (which it doesn't for the reasons mentioned before). I'll still check for anything he does in the future though, because he's talented.

Then he's not original as there has been other peeps from the Cape who done did spaza before him, anyway seeing that you're catching feelings now I'ma shut the fcuk up. Peace! and I've already signed the ceasefire in case you might have mistook this for an attack on u.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: RearrangedReality on March 18, 2009, 06:06:43 PM
I dont mean to sound racist or anything but im gonna side with the white man on this one.

On the real though, you all have reasonable arguments. the whole thing about accents is just a big fuss. if someone sounds like they trying hard to pull an american accent usually ends up sounding ridiculous. if you have an american accent for some reason because you lived in the states or you just adopted it through being exposed to too much american culture shouldnt be a big deal really. For as long as you're in Hip-Hop and you're not american chances are you're contradicting yourself criticising people on their accents because at some point you would find yourself saying something sounding american maybe deliberately or accidentaly. Prokid is another example of people who i've found saying a lot of negetive things about the american sounding cats but yet its strange hearing that from him when he is a**ociated with someone like Maggz.

I must admit im annoyed a lot of times by peoples fake american accent but i try not to have that influence much about what i think about their personality but in this case their music. if it happens to sound good on record then thats great. e.g. Proverbs music sound good on record but the accents is kind of annoying when he speaks.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Msanii_XL on March 18, 2009, 07:55:34 PM
I dont mean to sound racist or anything but im gonna side with the white man on this one.



Uncle ruckus!! >:( :( ;D :D :D
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Myth on March 18, 2009, 08:45:03 PM
^^ hahaha...the double RR busted...
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: A pimp named Sarkozy on March 18, 2009, 11:07:54 PM
If i was Dplatts arguing with these cats on this thread,i would just say "im the expert here coz im selling thousands  of records that makes me an expert, ARE YOU SELLING RECORDS? ", I didnt know Planetary a**ault mixtape sold more records than Da les's album.Correct me if im wrong The last time i checked P.A mixtape sold +4000 units wheres Da Les is at +-1500 units. Maggz is overrated hes a good rapper thats it niggaz need to stop hyping this cat so much like hes gonna be the next big thing. With so much fierce  competition  uknown rappers dropping  dope mixtapes in the US,If Maggz  was in the states i think no one will even pay attention to him.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Myth on March 18, 2009, 11:20:01 PM
If i was Dplatts arguing with these cats on this thread,i would just say "im the expert here coz im selling thousands  of records that makes me an expert, ARE YOU SELLING RECORDS? ", I didnt know Planetary a**ault mixtape sold more records than Da les's album.Correct me if im wrong The last time i checked P.A mixtape sold +4000 units wheres Da Les is at +-1500 units. Maggz is overrated hes a good rapper thats it niggaz need to stop hyping this cat so much like hes gonna be the next big thing. With so much fierce  competition  uknown rappers dropping  dope mixtapes in the US,If Maggz  was in the states i think no one will even pay attention to him.

and your point is?
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: MrC The Rap God Almighty on March 19, 2009, 12:45:23 AM
Maggz is overrated hes a good rapper thats it niggaz need to stop hyping this cat so much like hes gonna be the next big thing.

My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: K9 tha Pedigree on March 19, 2009, 06:37:51 AM
@ D there are different french accents for your info, iv been working with alot of french rappers i wont mention names yet, and they say iv got a foreign french accent, it aint what they used to.

And as harsh as that statement sounds I do agree that if Maggz was in the USA nobody would give a f***, but I hear through the grapevine that Fa**ie records are doin a mixtape with DJ drama big up to them on that, so maybe Maggz will get noticed in the States
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Koli qha on March 19, 2009, 07:47:15 AM
Maggz is overrated hes a good rapper thats it niggaz need to stop hyping this cat so much like hes gonna be the next big thing.

My thoughts exactly.

I think maggz represents j-sect for a lot of people! he manages to have the 'swagga jackers', the 'headz' and the ordinary metropolitan on lock coz he's been able to build those bases ova time!
joburg has been waiting for a maggz to represent them on that scale.. so now the excitement from j-sect spill's ova quite easily coz then u have the likes of us (workforce i.e<not from joburg but live there>).. next thing the whole country's up on maggz! hype!!! (no mag) :)
he's dope! yeah! but he's no jesus... time always tells my nigga'z. lets wait and see.. goodluck to homie tho!
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: SUPER RUTHLESS on March 19, 2009, 09:08:10 AM
WTF is wrong wit u people, cant u just give a nucca time to do is thing.. Maggz is dope and there is no denying that, and hes from JHB so he reps S.A so y all the talk bout "if he was in the States"? we just gotta be proud that our artists are tryna break into the international market, isnt that everyones dream?
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Koli qha on March 19, 2009, 09:18:44 AM
WTF is wrong wit u people, cant u just give a nucca time to do is thing.. Maggz is dope and there is no denying that, and hes from JHB so he reps S.A so y all the talk bout "if he was in the States"? we just gotta be proud that our artists are tryna break into the international market, isnt that everyones dream?

co-sign
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Mprofeti the Radical Process on March 19, 2009, 09:48:08 AM
WTF is wrong wit u people, cant u just give a nucca time to do is thing.. Maggz is dope and there is no denying that, and hes from JHB so he reps S.A so y all the talk bout "if he was in the States"? we just gotta be proud that our artists are tryna break into the international market, isnt that everyones dream?

I think all SA cats have a little bit of America (accent,lyrics,style) in them (well some have more than others)....We all have been influenced by someone and something to start rapping......so traces of ur influence will always show in ur music and there is nothing wrong with that........I feel that we should just let Maggz be, and start looking at the positives of our artists instead of always critisizing....
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: nandonation on March 19, 2009, 10:01:34 AM
Maggz, Da.L.e.s & Bongz they are on fire.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Dpleezy on March 19, 2009, 10:16:22 AM
WTF is wrong wit u people, cant u just give a nucca time to do is thing.. Maggz is dope and there is no denying that, and hes from JHB so he reps S.A so y all the talk bout "if he was in the States"? we just gotta be proud that our artists are tryna break into the international market, isnt that everyones dream?

I think all SA cats have a little bit of America (accent,lyrics,style) in them (well some have more than others)....We all have been influenced by someone and something to start rapping......so traces of ur influence will always show in ur music and there is nothing wrong with that........I feel that we should just let Maggz be, and start looking at the positives of our artists instead of always critisizing....

I think healthy critique is what we need in SA. I'm not talking about mindless hate, but we need to get rid of the mentality that if we can re-produce something that has been done in the States we must be doing well.

I believe that we need to tap into what is unique about South Africa, not re-create what is already being done overseas. This is an important point of discussion that can't just be ignored by the hip hop community in SA.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: SUPER RUTHLESS on March 19, 2009, 10:38:08 AM
I believe that we need to tap into what is unique about South Africa, not re-create what is already being done overseas. This is an important point of discussion that can't just be ignored by the hip hop community in SA.

have u heard the track kas'laam from Maggz?  it has influences from Houston rappers with the Screwed chorus yet its totally South African because its in venac...   I believe that if u can make a quality track (even if it sounds "American") yet telling a proudly south african story then good in my books
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Mprofeti the Radical Process on March 19, 2009, 10:41:40 AM
WTF is wrong wit u people, cant u just give a nucca time to do is thing.. Maggz is dope and there is no denying that, and hes from JHB so he reps S.A so y all the talk bout "if he was in the States"? we just gotta be proud that our artists are tryna break into the international market, isnt that everyones dream?

I think all SA cats have a little bit of America (accent,lyrics,style) in them (well some have more than others)....We all have been influenced by someone and something to start rapping......so traces of ur influence will always show in ur music and there is nothing wrong with that........I feel that we should just let Maggz be, and start looking at the positives of our artists instead of always critisizing....

I think healthy critique is what we need in SA. I'm not talking about mindless hate, but we need to get rid of the mentality that if we can re-produce something that has been done in the States we must be doing well.

I believe that we need to tap into what is unique about South Africa, not re-create what is already being done overseas. This is an important point of discussion that can't just be ignored by the hip hop community in SA.

I do get your point D......what Im trying to say is lets not point fingers at other artists and accusing them of being American whilst we also sound American ourselves.......from the beats to the way an Mc delivers his words (be it in venac or english), is influenced by the States.......I think your point will be valid if here in SA we would create our own style (like Kwaito) which is completely different from the States........but for as long as we still do Hip-Hop according to the way the states are doing (similar beat sequencing, similar thoughts and trends on word delivery).....the sound will always be farmiliar.......The only difference between the cats will be that some sound more farmiliar than the others.....
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: RearrangedReality on March 19, 2009, 11:14:35 AM
WTF is wrong wit u people, cant u just give a nucca time to do is thing.. Maggz is dope and there is no denying that, and hes from JHB so he reps S.A so y all the talk bout "if he was in the States"? we just gotta be proud that our artists are tryna break into the international market, isnt that everyones dream?

I think all SA cats have a little bit of America (accent,lyrics,style) in them (well some have more than others)....We all have been influenced by someone and something to start rapping......so traces of ur influence will always show in ur music and there is nothing wrong with that........I feel that we should just let Maggz be, and start looking at the positives of our artists instead of always critisizing....

just what i was trying to get to but you put better and clearer than i did.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: General Ratzinger van Stilzkin on March 19, 2009, 11:23:39 AM
I think all SA cats have a little bit of America (accent,lyrics,style) in them (well some have more than others)....We all have been influenced by someone and something to start rapping......so traces of ur influence will always show in ur music and there is nothing wrong with that........I feel that we should just let Maggz be, and start looking at the positives of our artists instead of always critisizing....

yup... at the same time constructive criticism helps... not some of the blatant hating on here

Title: Re: maggz
Post by: MrC The Rap God Almighty on March 19, 2009, 11:55:14 AM

yup... at the same time constructive criticism helps... not some of the blatant hating on here



Co-sign. Harsh criticism for an industry that can't even sell past 5K copies is kinda pointless for me.Refocus your energies.

Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Dpleezy on March 19, 2009, 12:05:03 PM

yup... at the same time constructive criticism helps... not some of the blatant hating on here



Co-sign. Harsh criticism for an industry that can't even sell past 5K copies is kinda pointless for me.Refocus your energies.

Maybe some harsh criticism would help an industry that can't sell past 5k copies?
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: General Ratzinger van Stilzkin on March 19, 2009, 12:09:12 PM

yup... at the same time constructive criticism helps... not some of the blatant hating on here



Co-sign. Harsh criticism for an industry that can't even sell past 5K copies is kinda pointless for me.Refocus your energies.

Maybe some harsh criticism would help an industry that can't sell past 5k copies?

its like telling a kid who cant sit up but is tryin to learn to ride a bicycle. do u harshly criticize it or do you encourage it on the right route...
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: TY-D-CPT-021-NKE on March 19, 2009, 01:36:42 PM
yo critism can be constructive and also destructive depending on the lesson to be learnt and the way it is put across by the person critting..i mean iv had shit told to me that i didnt want to hear but was the truth and for me to move forward i had to accpet..so for me once they accept the wise word then moving fowrad can be easier...
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: K9 tha Pedigree on March 19, 2009, 04:58:27 PM
most of the comments are facts rather than hate
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Soul Amazin' on March 19, 2009, 07:43:47 PM
Copped it and its not that bad...but Bongz need to ease up on the auto tuning...

Its way better than Da Les, at least there's some rapping on this 1...

Yes, Maggz cud've done better, its not wat we wer all hoping for, i guess he took too long to release his album and ended up being auto tuned and swaggered wit some glitter and lost his original self...

Cud the media be blamed for our artists making american-like hiphop, as they play more of it than anything else...?

It's just sad that a lot of airplay doesnt always translate into sales...hopefully he'll achieve greater sales, break into the international markets and make the history they keep rapping about...
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: K9 tha Pedigree on March 20, 2009, 06:17:40 AM
Copped it and its not that bad...but Bongz need to ease up on the auto tuning...

Its way better than Da Les, at least there's some rapping on this 1...

Yes, Maggz cud've done better, its not wat we wer all hoping for, i guess he took too long to release his album and ended up being auto tuned and swaggered wit some glitter and lost his original self...

Cud the media be blamed for our artists making american-like hiphop, as they play more of it than anything else...?

It's just sad that a lot of airplay doesnt always translate into sales...hopefully he'll achieve greater sales, break into the international markets and make the history they keep rapping about...

well said homie
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: Ritchie on March 22, 2009, 01:15:29 AM
Maggz is straight dope reppin Jozie, SA

Third single off the break out album, haters ft L-tido
Big ups to Bongz for production

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqI48VB7KII&feature=channel
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: rob_one on March 22, 2009, 02:49:55 AM
"I don't give a f***, y'all can hate me..."

Well that's just as well. This is dull, dull, dull. Surely someone as talented as Maggz can do better than this.
Title: Re: maggz
Post by: K9 tha Pedigree on March 22, 2009, 07:17:11 AM
"I don't give a f***, y'all can hate me..."

Well that's just as well. This is dull, dull, dull. Surely someone as talented as Maggz can do better than this.

@ rob that aint maggz homie thats L-tido
I dont give a f*** yal can hate me that shit just motivates me