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Title: illmatic
Post by: RuSh on January 14, 2003, 05:29:00 AM
naw that album wont compare to illmatic straight up his best album ever
Title: illmatic
Post by: mulmens on June 12, 2005, 06:00:24 PM
What's this about? Nas illmatic and what other album?
Title: God son
Post by: RuSh on June 12, 2005, 06:29:41 PM
comparing it to God son some dude was saying God son his best release
Title: illmatic
Post by: mulmens on June 12, 2005, 06:33:23 PM
Nah. Godson was Aight. Nothing to remember him by.
Title: ill
Post by: RuSh on June 12, 2005, 06:50:07 PM
yeah God son was aight but illmatic left stains in the panties
Title: illmatic
Post by: iLL_eG0_AL13n on June 12, 2005, 07:47:41 PM
wtf?
why even start a thread arguing that?? :?  :?  :?:
Title: illmatic
Post by: ootz on June 13, 2005, 01:18:28 AM
hahaha

god son wasnt the greatest but god stepson was pure faya. i still prefer illmatic. thats the hotness right there.
Title: one love
Post by: RuSh on June 13, 2005, 06:27:06 AM
no doubt one love
Title: illmatic
Post by: Madnotes on June 13, 2005, 12:44:26 PM
has anyone listened to Nastradoomus-the remixes of tracks off illmatic by MF Doom

Ish is HOt!
Title: illmatic
Post by: blak boy on June 13, 2005, 12:55:50 PM
wat the crap is up, God son versus Illmatic wat the fck!!! how can you consider even talking bout these albums in the same breath?illmatic was a colossus and god son was nice... to some i wasn't feeling it
Title: illmatic
Post by: mulmens on June 13, 2005, 03:23:21 PM
illmatic was mad nice, but I gotta say my favourite is It Was Written. Nobody ever talks about it except stretch... Why's that?
Title: illmatic
Post by: fahfee on June 13, 2005, 03:34:03 PM
Yeah sometimes I feel like that too because I heard "It Was Written" before Illmatic. Kinda messed up but thats how I used to get my tapes back then.

Quote from: "Madnotes"
has anyone listened to Nastradoomus-the remixes of tracks off illmatic by MF Doom

Ish is HOt!


I heard Hiphopsite made that album(not MF Doom) using his old beats so I didnt even bother to check it out because it sounded like they were out to make a buck out of hardcore MF fans. Is it good? I thought they used Nastradamus acappellas?
Title: illmatic
Post by: Malcom E.K.K.S on June 13, 2005, 03:45:58 PM
My favourite too is It was written........
Illmatic was tight, no doubt, but I feel it was written tracks had dopper concepts........ :D
Title: iller then ill
Post by: RuSh on June 13, 2005, 06:05:41 PM
naw it was written was not as good as illmatic
Title: illmatic
Post by: mulmens on June 13, 2005, 06:11:26 PM
You looking at it from the fresh on the scene with raw talnt over dope producers point of view. Me, I'm looking at the concepts strategic collabo's where the verses interlink and stuff. For ME, PERSONALLY, It was written was his most lyrical album ever. He hasn't elevated to or past that level since.
Title: illmatic
Post by: Madnotes on June 13, 2005, 06:13:46 PM
My votes on illmatic Nas was still was hungry and raw trying to make a name for himself he gave it his all. but all his albums are good exp.Nastradumus, nastradumus is weak
Title: braveheart
Post by: RuSh on June 13, 2005, 07:21:59 PM
yeah nastradamus was weak and im not feelin that bravehearts shit
Title: illmatic
Post by: mulmens on June 13, 2005, 11:16:43 PM
Thought the following were whack: Nastradamus, Death of Escobar, Iam and Streets Disciple (Although Street's disciple's underlying them was hectic, Nas doesn't seem to have pulled it off. Once again I love the idea, the concept...).
Title: illmatic
Post by: blak boy on June 15, 2005, 02:41:52 PM
strategic collabo's Mulmens what is that!!!
I think lyrically and even the mood on illmatic was one of pure MCiing. it is beautiful coz everything is pure and it was written is nice and all but he was falling on that album.. there were madd nice tracks but also tracjs that signalled where he wanted to go and people were not feelin were he wanted to go and I am was a step in that direction..
Title: Re: illmatic
Post by: Makhi The Heart Beat on June 21, 2005, 07:19:50 PM
Quote from: "RuSh"
naw that album wont compare to illmatic straight up his best album ever


i still enjoy that shit today

and dj kamma during his live dj-ing set this week on the hiphocalypse,he was spinnin dat vinyl, represent was da track
Title: Top 10 reasons Illmatic is the isth!
Post by: TNGlive on June 21, 2005, 10:27:51 PM
My reasons for Illmatic being such a strong album have nothing to do with the music
It was such a strong album that years later, niccas have forgiven, forgotten, damn near let Nasir Jones get away with some of the most amazing and unbeliveable contradictions that I'm sure Hov just got plain sick off too.

1."You too R&B spell my name", "non-of that fake R&B ssh!t" -This coming from a man that did a song with Mariah Carey and Joe. ANybody remmeber that? Oh amnesia my bad. What about Mariah Carey's first r&B group signing Allure, remember that jiggy rhyme he dropped in the song. How about "did you ever think that you would be this rich?" with the R in R&B R.Kelly Movin on...

2.The "African beads" phase he went through. Got pics of this. I think it's included in the God's SOn artwork too. okay, almost every questionable rapper in the U>S> has gone through this, I retract questionable coz others like Common have been consistent. Props. But do my amnesia suffering headz remmeber the dinner-plate sized QB chain dude was rocking once upon a time.

3. Must I remind you about the pink suit?

4. Song with Puff Daddy. Check

5. "I know I can, ....Be what I want to be Then somewhere in there he talked about girls you ain't got to be naked e.t.c. Basically an ode to respect yourselves youngin's. Has ANYBODY actually seen that Ouchie Wally Wally video? [/i] That's all I'm sayin. Homie, that LUKE guy from Miami ain't got nothing on this one. Too Short even.

6. "Non of that fake 50cent sh!t" -At his free open air concert in the park in NY. Then in a "I did'nt mean to say that" move plays it down on some, "i was'nt going at him I was just saying what the people in the crowd were feeling." Then Fiddy gets at him on Piggy Bank, now all of a sudden Fiddy has been the 1st to disrespect Nas. ANd I quote He needs a couple of more albums before he's worth me responding -note before the 1st week oof SOundscan numbers for Ma**acre come in. Afterwards, "yeah I'm gonna get him. I don't want to give too much away, but I got a record for him on my new upcoming album." WTF? Make up your mind son.

7. I don't mean to disrespect any Nas fans, or come off as a cocky hiphop newbie all about soundscan, but did that double .....(DOUBLE) disc he dropped go gold? Ill ego u usually have the Soundscan #s. & Fans U DO KNOW double discs count as 2sales for every sale. Don't give me that other story about the buyers coz Common's record is doing pretty well. And is set to do even better as the weeks unfold.

8. Must I remind you about the Pink Suit and the big-a**-Urkel gla**es to match?

9. Must I remind you about a fully sober, non-intoxicated (because they went ahead and actually shot a video for this track) Nas rapping about 100 GIgabyte Laptops 8O . I know the Amnesia is hectic my fellow hip hop heads but don't worry I got you.
Check for the track with the attempt at a catchy club hook off Nastradamus. Oh, sorry, need to be more specific, the one that goes "nasty nas, the esco, the escobar...blah blah..."

10. Quick! How many rappers with a career today have done a song with GINUWINE on the hook.

That's right. Illmatic is one hell of a strong album. For to be able to have gotten away with so many crimes ever since, *shakes head*. Amazing.
Title: illmatic
Post by: TATEguru v.2K9 on June 21, 2005, 11:31:12 PM
Damn I havent beefed with TNG on a thread in a minute now! This is gonna be fun! :D
RIGHT where o I start..
Okay quickly then..TNG is acting like Illmatic was the ONLY album Nas ever did that was Superior. If you bothered to read the rest of this thread you'd realise that  :roll:
Without Illmatic Nas would STILL be one of the most revered MCs out. In fact I will go as far as to say that without Illmatic a couple of hi albums would have been rated higher because there wouldnt be any bar to compare them up to. SO NO TNG Illmatic actually downgraded the work to follow from Mr Jones.

It is to quote one of your fave rappers
"The gift & the curse"
Title: illmatic
Post by: triplelife on June 22, 2005, 04:14:24 PM
Fake thug, no love, you get the slug, CB4 Gusto
Your luck low, I didn't know til I was drunk though
You freak niggaz played out, get f***ed and ate out
Prostitute turned bitch, I got the gauge out
96 ways I made out, Montana way
The Good-F-E-L-L-A, verbal AK spray
Dipped attache, jumped out the Range, empty out the ashtray
A gla** of 'ze make a man Ca**ius Clay
Red dot plots, murder schemes, thirty-two shotguns
Regulate wit my Dunn's, 17 rocks gleam from one ring
Yo let me let y'all niggaz know one thing
There's one life, one love, so there can only be one King
The highlights of livin, Vegas style roll dice in linen
Antera spinnin on Milleniums, twenty G bets I'm winnin them
Threats I'm sendin them, Lex with TV sets the minimum
Ill sex adrenaline
Party with villians, a case of Demi-Sec to chase the Henny
Wet any clique, with the semi-tech who want it
Diamonds I flaunt it, chickenheads flock I lace em
Fried broiled with basil, taste em, crack the legs
way out of formation, it's horizontal how I have em
f***in me in the Benz wagon
Can it be Vanity from Last Dragon
Grab your gun it's on though
Shit is grimy, real niggaz buck in broad daylight
with the broke Mac it won't spray right
Don't give a f*** who they hit, as long as the drama's lit
Yo, overnight thugs, bug cause they ain't promised shit
Hungry-a** hooligans stay on that piranha shit


f*** man! Just had to put that down........I am proud to have amnesia when it comes to this man's contradictory behaviour!
Title: kammasutra
Post by: RuSh on June 22, 2005, 07:03:21 PM
big ups to Kamma will see dude tomorrow he been stacking up on the vinyl lately he better bring that illmatic with tomorrow bra
Title: illmatic
Post by: fahfee on June 22, 2005, 08:05:46 PM
Using the the Source's infamous Five(@@@@@) mic-rating system:


1. Illmatic @@@@@,    cla**ic

2. I.W.W. @@@@,    personal favourite especially with the street dreams rmx

3. I Am... @@@@,    solid

4. ...Nastradamus @@1/5,    weakest

5. Queensbridge Finest @@@,    aight

6. Stillmatic @@@@1/5,    near cla**ic

7. The Lost Tapes @@@@@,   cla**ic

8. Godson @@@,     rushed

9. Streets Disciple @@@1/5,    disappointing but had few gems


You have to admit that's one of the nicest discographies ever even without considering Illmatic. Not to mentioned guest spots for example on Raekwon and Wutang albums. And the unreleased catalog(I am Nastradamus bootleg, Death Of Escobar, Pre-illmatic bootleg) is crazy.

But dude is on a downward trend right now, I wouldnt mind if he "retired" soon too.
Title: Gods son
Post by: RuSh on June 22, 2005, 08:43:44 PM
yeah stillmatic was a tight release
Title: illmatic
Post by: Foretold on June 23, 2005, 04:08:19 PM
TNG a human being is a contradiction,thats the essence of organic dilactic. Nas has been honest enough to share wit us the different phases in his life. I mean u could level the same accusation to Pac, who villified woman callin them bitches and hoes the one minute, and tellin them to hold their heads up the next. What about Mos Def, who was the prime model for Levis Jeans three years ago. The same jeans thats manufactured by little girls and boys in sweat shops in India, Indonasia and China? Is he less of a contradiction because he doesn't document that he promotes and celebrates crude consumerist culture and sweat shop economies? And besides there is nothin knwe in what u sayin, Jigga on Blue Print Two outlined all these so called contradictions. Mr LIF done the same in an interview wit BET last year.
Whats always been funny to me though,is that most people whose favourite album from Nas is Illmatic only heard that album years after it dropped,but to 'keep it real' they have to act like they heard the album when it dropped. Heads are strange creatures! Nas has leaped forward since the days of Illmatic,and in ma two cents worth of opinion has evolved to be a better artist than he was when he started rhymin 13 years ago.
Title: illmatic
Post by: TATEguru v.2K9 on June 23, 2005, 04:30:18 PM
I always get so emotional when I talk about Illmatic so I've chosen to stay out of this discussion now.
Quote from: "Foretold"
Whats always been funny to me though,is that most people whose favourite album from Nas is Illmatic only heard that album years after it dropped,but to 'keep it real' they have to act like they heard the album when it dropped. Heads are strange creatures! Nas has leaped forward since the days of Illmatic,and in ma two cents worth of opinion has evolved to be a better artist than he was when he started rhymin 13 years ago.

Speaking for myself..my first copy of Illmatic ws in (Form 4) 1995 on a TDK D90 tape with the label in neon red washing off that said "Nasty Nas" (pronounced 'Nes' @ the time)..
Been down since then. Didnt realise how cla**ic it was til after Nastradamus.
Title: illmatic
Post by: TNGlive on June 23, 2005, 07:45:27 PM
:D Illmatic is quite a touchy subject.
So I'ma stay get out of this one for now too.
Title: illmatic
Post by: mulmens on July 27, 2005, 07:02:47 PM
Quote from: "TNG"
:D Illmatic is quite a touchy subject.
So I'ma stay get out of this one for now too.


Wot, u gonna try bring Jay-z into this? Jay's first is far from his best and you know that...
Title: Re: Top 10 reasons Illmatic is the isth!
Post by: Stretch on August 02, 2005, 10:23:48 PM
Quote from: "TNG"
My reasons for Illmatic being such a strong album have nothing to do with the music
It was such a strong album that years later, niccas have forgiven, forgotten, damn near let Nasir Jones get away with some of the most amazing and unbeliveable contradictions that I'm sure Hov just got plain sick off too.

1."You too R&B spell my name", "non-of that fake R&B ssh!t" -This coming from a man that did a song with Mariah Carey and Joe. ANybody remmeber that? Oh amnesia my bad. What about Mariah Carey's first r&B group signing Allure, remember that jiggy rhyme he dropped in the song. How about "did you ever think that you would be this rich?" with the R in R&B R.Kelly Movin on...

2.The "African beads" phase he went through. Got pics of this. I think it's included in the God's SOn artwork too. okay, almost every questionable rapper in the U>S> has gone through this, I retract questionable coz others like Common have been consistent. Props. But do my amnesia suffering headz remmeber the dinner-plate sized QB chain dude was rocking once upon a time.

3. Must I remind you about the pink suit?

4. Song with Puff Daddy. Check

5. "I know I can, ....Be what I want to be Then somewhere in there he talked about girls you ain't got to be naked e.t.c. Basically an ode to respect yourselves youngin's. Has ANYBODY actually seen that Ouchie Wally Wally video? [/i] That's all I'm sayin. Homie, that LUKE guy from Miami ain't got nothing on this one. Too Short even.

6. "Non of that fake 50cent sh!t" -At his free open air concert in the park in NY. Then in a "I did'nt mean to say that" move plays it down on some, "i was'nt going at him I was just saying what the people in the crowd were feeling." Then Fiddy gets at him on Piggy Bank, now all of a sudden Fiddy has been the 1st to disrespect Nas. ANd I quote He needs a couple of more albums before he's worth me responding -note before the 1st week oof SOundscan numbers for Ma**acre come in. Afterwards, "yeah I'm gonna get him. I don't want to give too much away, but I got a record for him on my new upcoming album." WTF? Make up your mind son.

7. I don't mean to disrespect any Nas fans, or come off as a cocky hiphop newbie all about soundscan, but did that double .....(DOUBLE) disc he dropped go gold? Ill ego u usually have the Soundscan #s. & Fans U DO KNOW double discs count as 2sales for every sale. Don't give me that other story about the buyers coz Common's record is doing pretty well. And is set to do even better as the weeks unfold.

8. Must I remind you about the Pink Suit and the big-a**-Urkel gla**es to match?

9. Must I remind you about a fully sober, non-intoxicated (because they went ahead and actually shot a video for this track) Nas rapping about 100 GIgabyte Laptops 8O . I know the Amnesia is hectic my fellow hip hop heads but don't worry I got you.
Check for the track with the attempt at a catchy club hook off Nastradamus. Oh, sorry, need to be more specific, the one that goes "nasty nas, the esco, the escobar...blah blah..."

10. Quick! How many rappers with a career today have done a song with GINUWINE on the hook.

That's right. Illmatic is one hell of a strong album. For to be able to have gotten away with so many crimes ever since, *shakes head*. Amazing.


1. Note how all the songs you listed are guest appearences he did. Nas has never himself made an R&B record unlike the likes of 50 Cent.

2. Uhm what is so wrong with bling? Does not bother me, does it bother you?

3. Pink Suit...Andre 3000...Common...do you want me to continue?

4. Am I wrong or was Puff Daddy the best friend and business partner of one of the greatest rappers of all time? Oh and how could I forget that a certain Jigga made a track with Puff Daddy before Nas.

5. So KRS be contradictin himself then? And yeah girls aint have to be naked in videos. I mean, just because there were half naked girls in a music video that he appeared in (note not his music video) does not mean he's telling girls they should all do the same...your logic leaves me perplexed.

6. What he was trying to tell you is 50Cent = Ja Rule = R&B rap. He don't do that fake rap and that's a fact! Do you even know that the Nas and Jay beef comes from way before Takeover? Both been on some '...nah aint no beef...' then next thing you know Jay be dissin dude....guess Jay contradicting himself then, or did he just change his mind? I mean, its only human, don't you ever change your mind?

7. For your info, his album got gold status along time ago. In fact, about 2 months after release. And the double album is only counted as one, for example if Tupac sold 10 million All Eyez On me copies then he actually sold 20million (if you x2 for every double disc sold). Also, if sales is a way of gauging performance then I guess Illamtic was his worst album and Reasonable Doubt was Jay's worst...oh and then 50 would be the best rapper alive....yah right!

8. Refer to point #3, I don't like repeating myself.

9. To be honest, you've lost me. What's so amnesiac about that?

10. 10. Quick! How many rappers with a career today have done a song with BABYFACE on the hook (?) *I put in the ? since you had amnesia and forgot it*

Oh and Illmatic >>>>>>>>> Anything Jay has ever put out.
Title: illmatic
Post by: TATEguru on August 08, 2005, 02:20:12 PM
Why this is the GREATEST HIP HOP ALBUM EVER:

Nas was only 17 when he penned this..Boy Wonder indeed..Who else when they were 17 could have dreamt up
"Kidnapping the president's Wife without a plan..& robbing Ni99as like the Ku Klux Klan"...
Actually he was only 15 when he penned that particular line..

SICK

Who wan test?.."any emcee that disagree with me raise our arm"

I rest my case.
Title: illmatic
Post by: RuSh on August 08, 2005, 07:14:51 PM
true cla**ic man u need to have this in ya collection just bout to buy the vinyl aswell for my grandkids to have in the future