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Title: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: RearrangedReality on August 19, 2009, 12:04:02 PM
what do you guys think of this?

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By Kevin McCallum

The head of the South African team at the World Athletics Championships on Wednesday rubbished claims that 18-year old sensation Caster Semenya would undergo gender testing ahead of her participation in the 800-metres final in Berlin on Wednesday night.

Australian media reported on Tuesday that officials from the International a**ociation of Athletics Federations (IAAF) would perform gender tests on Semenya.

The Daily Telegraph claimed that Semenya's appearance, including obvious facial hair, and muscular build igniting speculation about her gender. The IAAF is aware of the issue
and has conducted physical tests and genetic screening to try to determine the legitimacy of Semenya's sex. An overnight meeting of officials in Berlin was expected to determine whether she takes her place in 800m final."
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=6&click_id=4&art_id=nw20090819093907792C270261

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Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: the panic! on August 19, 2009, 12:14:07 PM
deifnitely looks like a man.

by the way, are transexuals barred from particpating in proffessional sports?
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: The Angry Hand of God on August 19, 2009, 12:15:35 PM
Definitely a dude, acting like a woman. Kinda like Rama.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Tuboy on August 19, 2009, 12:20:00 PM
Definitely a dude, acting like a woman. Kinda like Rama.

hi hi hihi  :D
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Tuboy on August 19, 2009, 12:20:43 PM
MOs Def looking like a man
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Tonnes on August 19, 2009, 12:24:42 PM
Definitely a dude, acting like a woman. Kinda like Rama.

LOL... wouldn't make sexist jokes around her.
It would not be fair if they found she is legit, it will also affect her emotional causing the perfomance to drop.

Looks like a dude tho.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Ramorethetho on August 19, 2009, 12:25:18 PM
Who is Rama?
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: the panic! on August 19, 2009, 12:26:10 PM
what the f*** is "gender testing"?

sounds uncool.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: The Angry Hand of God on August 19, 2009, 12:30:15 PM
DNA test to see if she has a Y-chromosome.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: RearrangedReality on August 19, 2009, 01:35:54 PM
Them australians are f***ing with the poor girl man. actually they trying to fck with SA as they usually do with all sports.


but on the real though shes such a man, listen to the way she speaks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-bqET22vEU
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Papa ThReAdS on August 19, 2009, 01:50:40 PM
^^^Thats a grown a** man right there.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: rob_one on August 19, 2009, 01:57:46 PM
Sorry, but I would be HUGELY surprised if that turns out to be a girl.

What an utterly bizarre situation!
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Tuboy on August 19, 2009, 01:59:28 PM
Yhoo she got a man voice too!! But ya'll ain't seen shit if ya'll ain't seen the Banyana Banyana striker, thats another dude right there...just forgotten her name now
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Nar8iv on August 19, 2009, 02:08:32 PM
but i have seen "anties" in the babbie-shops in athlone that have goatees more shapely than mine....
umm, they surely are women?

wait...now i'm confused  :D
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Papa ThReAdS on August 19, 2009, 02:22:26 PM
but i have seen "anties" in the babbie-shops in athlone that have goatees more shapely than mine....
umm, they surely are women?

wait...now i'm confused  :D

I hear you mayne. I have an aunt with a flawless 'O' around her mouth. I am completely gutted. I mean after 26 years on this earth, im still waiting for my mustache to join my goatee, and hers does so effortlessly. f***!
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Blizzard on August 19, 2009, 02:25:28 PM
Them australians are f***ing with the poor girl man. actually they trying to fck with SA as they usually do with all sports.


but on the real though shes such a man, listen to the way she speaks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-bqET22vEU

sounds more like an interogation than an interview, shit is disgusting!!!
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: RearrangedReality on August 19, 2009, 02:29:17 PM
but i have seen "anties" in the babbie-shops in athlone that have goatees more shapely than mine....
umm, they surely are women?

wait...now i'm confused  :D

ROFLMAO!!!!!

dude you are funny
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: The Angry Hand of God on August 19, 2009, 02:29:53 PM
Not just a dude, but an ugly one at that.
(http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww221/Slapaho2009/28cde7k.gif)
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Papa ThReAdS on August 19, 2009, 02:33:03 PM
Not just a dude, but an ugly one at that.
(http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww221/Slapaho2009/28cde7k.gif)


I feel sorry for people who are still ugly regardless of wether they change their sex or not.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: MrC The Rap God Almighty on August 19, 2009, 03:36:06 PM
ya'll know the saying. True Beauty lies within. LOL !!!!

but shame man,poor guy, i mean girl. those f***en interviewers need to be shot. what does it matter what her parents do ?
 
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Nar8iv on August 19, 2009, 03:42:06 PM
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I hear you mayne. I have an aunt with a flawless 'O' around her mouth. I am completely gutted. I mean after 26 years on this earth, im still waiting for my mustache to join my goatee, and hers does so effortlessly. f***!

NOW YOU SEE!

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ROFLMAO!!!!!

dude you are funny

BUT ITS DA TRUTH!!!! ;D :D ;)
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: RearrangedReality on August 19, 2009, 11:02:37 PM
The commentators!! unf***ingbelievable!!! wow!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGxJp_ScVFc
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: General Ratzinger van Stilzkin on August 20, 2009, 08:07:43 AM
Them australians are f***ing with the poor girl man. actually they trying to fck with SA as they usually do with all sports.


but on the real though shes such a man, listen to the way she speaks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-bqET22vEU

sounds more like an interogation than an interview, shit is disgusting!!!

ai 4k man this is a man...
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: MOFF G on August 20, 2009, 09:30:20 AM
maria mutola looked manly too, and she ended up married and became a household name when it came to this 800m races. f*** it don't matter if she is a he... he is makin us proud.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Lord Deacon Of Frost on August 20, 2009, 09:39:06 AM
the f*** is this shit? when did we start co-signing with australians you should all be ashamed of yourselves
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Tuboy on August 20, 2009, 09:41:19 AM
The commentators!! unf***ingbelievable!!! wow!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGxJp_ScVFc

SMH at these biased motherf***ers...they happy for someone who came third  :D :D damn sheman made us proud
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: MrC The Rap God Almighty on August 20, 2009, 09:43:11 AM

This girl should gets a heroine's welcome when she comes back. She's a true South African. Persevere in the face of adversity. Im proud.
 
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: the panic! on August 20, 2009, 09:52:20 AM
cosign MrC and Deac.

focus on the real issue, people!
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: General Ratzinger van Stilzkin on August 20, 2009, 09:59:26 AM
wont front, im happy she won,

but er... the voice
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Lord Deacon Of Frost on August 20, 2009, 10:04:00 AM
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Today officials at the world athletics body, the IAAF, revealed that it ordered her to take a gender test three weeks ago.

IAAF spokesman Nick Davies confirmed the tests were taking place, though he said the results would not be confirmed for several weeks.

...

A group of doctors, including an endocrinologist, a gynaecologist, an internal medicine expert, an expert on gender and a psychologist, have started the procedure but it is uncertain when the results will be known.

Read more http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1207653/Womens-800m-gold-medal-favourite-Caster-Semenya-takes-gender-test-hours-World-Championship-race.html#ixzz0OfTJGQTD

SHAY MY MOTHUf***ING HEAD AT THIS SHIT

This wont end well

Possible scenarios:

1) Woman all along, and test confirmed that- self confidence/esteem shattered because people actually think she is a man

2)She thinks she's a women until the test confirms otherwise. This is the first time she/he finds out he is actually a man. Goes into therapy, medals are stripped, self confidence/esteem shattered.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: A pimp named Sarkozy on August 20, 2009, 10:08:48 AM
Congratz to her for winning the Gold. You made us proud. I hate Australia, people in it and what they stand for.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: the panic! on August 20, 2009, 10:13:39 AM
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Today officials at the world athletics body, the IAAF, revealed that it ordered her to take a gender test three weeks ago.

IAAF spokesman Nick Davies confirmed the tests were taking place, though he said the results would not be confirmed for several weeks.

...

A group of doctors, including an endocrinologist, a gynaecologist, an internal medicine expert, an expert on gender and a psychologist, have started the procedure but it is uncertain when the results will be known.

Read more http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1207653/Womens-800m-gold-medal-favourite-Caster-Semenya-takes-gender-test-hours-World-Championship-race.html#ixzz0OfTJGQTD

SHAY MY MOTHUf***ING HEAD AT THIS SHIT

This wont end well

Possible scenarios:

1) Woman all along, and test confirmed that- self confidence/esteem shattered because people actually think she is a man

2)She thinks she's a women until the test confirms otherwise. This is the first time she/he finds out he is actually a man. Goes into therapy, medals are stripped, self confidence/esteem shattered.

well, she's been strong enough to deal with it up until this point, so who knows she might just chalk it up to being very "athletic".
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Blizzard on August 20, 2009, 10:19:29 AM
where is the local media?, can't they conduct their own investigation, talk to her childhood friends, primary school teachers, hospital where she was born, relatives etc.
cosig Deac post.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Koli qha on August 20, 2009, 10:34:59 AM
the f*** is this shit? when did we start co-signing with australians you should all be ashamed of yourselves

voice of reason! thanks DEAC! them australians can go eat a FAT one! well f***ing done to Caster for totally ripping the OPPOSITION to shreds!!! now for the world record! thats not the Miss World pageant..
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: MOFF G on August 20, 2009, 11:23:39 AM
where is the local media?, can't they conduct their own investigation, talk to her childhood friends, primary school teachers, hospital where she was born, relatives etc.
cosig Deac post.

as per the interview on enews yesterday, the officials said the local media is the one spreading rumours....but yeah dem shud know better and publish ish that's gonna back our athletes.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Dpleezy on August 20, 2009, 11:45:57 AM
Semenya is getting a raw deal, but it sounds like the ASA is really to blame for all the confusion:

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2009/08/caster-semenya-male-or-female.html (http://www.sportsscientists.com/2009/08/caster-semenya-male-or-female.html)
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: The Angry Hand of God on August 20, 2009, 12:13:43 PM
Hayibo speaks on the issue:
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Gender tests triggers terror of brain tests for professional athletes   

BERLIN. South African sports administrators have congratulated 800-meter star Caster Semenya on her gold medal in Berlin, saying that "she's the man". Meanwhile professional athletes have reacted with terror at a suggestion that they undergo brain tests to establish whether or not they are Homo Sapiens or more primitive hominids.

Semenya, who claimed gold in the 800-meters in the IAAF Championships in Berlin, triggered a gender controversy after sports administrators began to feel threatened by her abdominal muscles, which are reportedly capable of independent thought and movement.

However, this morning the controversy was forgotten as South African officials lined up to congratulate her.

"She's the man," said SASCOC spokesman Hotfoot Gwede.

He also asked the media to refer to the local Olympic body as SAS out of respect for the country's star athlete.

"Please, just leave the COC off for now, okay? It's a touchy subject just at the moment, and we went her to enjoy her win."

Meanwhile the issue of gender testing has sent shockwaves through the sports world, as officials have suggested expanding it to tests for whether or not professional sportspeople have brains, or at least brain stems.

"If we're going to test to see whether people are male or female it's only fair that we test to see whether they're people or idiots," explained Dr Fritz Neanderthal of the Berlin Institute for Anal Retentiveness .

"For many years we have suspected that some athletes competing as Homo Sapiens are in fact earlier species of human, notably Homo Erectus."

He said they had first become suspicious after watching English Premier League footballers and some Springbok forwards.

"They have incredible difficultly staying on their feet," said Dr Neanderthal. "It's almost as if they have not yet completely mastered bipedal movement."

But professional sportspeople have slammed the suggestion, with one senior Australian cricketer saying that the tests are "bad".

"We people," said the player, who has been dated by models and dated to the early Pleistocene era.

"Not stupid. Clever, we. Throw ball. Hit ball. Run fast. Sports car buy. Lie with blonde women. Is good. Why we deserve not human status?"

Football has yet to comment as most Premier League players are currently fighting over a dead wildebeest in a marsh in Tanzania.   
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Lord Deacon Of Frost on August 20, 2009, 12:34:10 PM
I see another lame attempt at humour from hayibo has fallen flat on its face
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Talentless on August 20, 2009, 05:56:56 PM
Well f*** me if tat's not a man! Just because we're both South African, does that mean I musn't question dodgy shit? f*** dat. If you wanna call me a traitor then go ahead. It's only natural to think she's a man.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: The Angry Hand of God on August 20, 2009, 06:12:43 PM
Well f*** me if tat's not a man! Just because we're both South African, does that mean I musn't question dodgy shit? f*** dat. If you wanna call me a traitor then go ahead. It's only natural to think she's a man.

This man is wise beyond his posts.

Damn! A newbie with sense.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: The Mighty Loks on August 20, 2009, 07:32:58 PM
This is some old bullshit. I don't give a shit if her vagina has its own penis, this girl does not deserve what she is getting. No one questioned the Serena sisters when they won and they f***ing look like beef boys or is it cause they had long hair weaving down their backs... This is some bullshit rolled in breadcrumbs.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Koli qha on August 21, 2009, 10:26:33 AM
question: was Maria Mutola ever tested?
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Dpleezy on August 21, 2009, 10:41:16 AM
The problem is that as long as athletics is divided into two categories (men and women) they have to do sex testing because people have cheated in the past, both blatantly (ie. men entering women's races) or more subtly (ie. steroids and hormones).

The whole sex issue is extremely complicated now that we have with a more enlightened understanding of intersex people (Google it). There is no simple sex test. The IAAF has to test any woman that presents with highly developed male attributes and who posts extraordinary times. The ASA saying that you can ask Semenya's room mate if she's a woman because "she's seen her in the shower" is disingenuous.

There is no doubt that the way the IAAF, the press and other athletes have treated Semenya is unforgivable (by making this so public), but accusations of racism or jealousy are silly. There are rules and they have to be applied.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: The Angry Hand of God on August 21, 2009, 10:55:01 AM
question: was Maria Mutola ever tested?

Yep she was. And she had kids afterwards too.

As D said, its not about race. Why do we have to be so f***ing stupid that we can't even think of a decent argument when we're questioned and clutch at the same bullshit straw every time?

These are the rules. She looks manly, is posting ridiculously manly times and she sounds manly. She has to be tested. The tests doesn't involve poking around in her vagina and stuff like that. It involves an actual DNA test in order to determine her gender.

My theory is that she may have been born a hermie and her parents decided to go with the vag. They probably never told her and this is the result.

Stop being such f***ing sensitive pricks who scream "racist" at every opportunity.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: rob_one on August 21, 2009, 11:01:57 AM
For me, more than anything else, the problem is the result of her race. At top level athletics, beating your opponents by more than a full second is almost an impossibility. And yet, there are vast differences in times between men and women in the same events. For Semenya to post a time almost a second ahead of her nearest rival screams performance enhancing drugs or something else.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Papa ThReAdS on August 21, 2009, 11:04:24 AM
Who the hell gave Maria Mutola kids? Damn that was brave!
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Koli qha on August 21, 2009, 11:05:02 AM

There is no doubt that the way the IAAF, the press and other athletes have treated Semenya is unforgivable (by making this so public). There are rules and they have to be applied.

now to get serious lol! no one is crying about the actual testing.. i'm actually just exaggerating to for the sake of support. Racism card is silly!

now, the big problem here is how this was all handled! if she wasn't a strng young woman, all that shit would have unsettled her because they didn't even wait until after the race, before 'trial by media'! the policy of the iaaf states that testing of any nature should be done discretely.. now, i understand that they aren't the ones who brought this about(it was them australian cows as i understand).. but the way the Iaaf has since dealt with the situation is appalling to say the least!

its as if she's already been deemed guilty and now she must prove otherwise.. that shit is UNFAIR! it'll take a while to get those tests back as she has to be tested by 7 or so doctors but she has to live with the scorn of all the doubters(powerful biatches) until its proven she's legit.

and if its proven she's not legit, she'll have to face trial by media for the rest of her life like she knew that she wasn't fully woman when she was born.

then there's the medal! according to legislation, they can only take away a medal if someone is found guilty of CHEATING. and even if the results come back saying she's 'intersex', they'd have to prove she cheated before they could take it away.

i'd like to know where she could then compete if they indeed find she's intersex? coz if they say she can't compete, wouldn't that be discrimination?
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Koli qha on August 21, 2009, 11:08:16 AM
question: was Maria Mutola ever tested?

Yep she was. And she had kids afterwards too.

As D said, its not about race. Why do we have to be so f***ing stupid that we can't even think of a decent argument when we're questioned and clutch at the same bullshit straw every time?

These are the rules. She looks manly, is posting ridiculously manly times and she sounds manly. She has to be tested. The tests doesn't involve poking around in her vagina and stuff like that. It involves an actual DNA test in order to determine her gender.

My theory is that she may have been born a hermie and her parents decided to go with the vag. They probably never told her and this is the result.

Stop being such f***ing sensitive pricks who scream "racist" at every opportunity.

who said anything about race? my argument got nothing to do with race.. so kindly tell the person or persons who said that to stop being stupid. not all of us who think this is f***ed up! (getting tested is totally cool)
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: The Angry Hand of God on August 21, 2009, 11:15:14 AM
who said anything about race? my argument got nothing to do with race.. so kindly tell the person or persons who said that to stop being stupid. not all of us who think this is f***ed up! (getting tested is totally cool)

Who else? The ANCYL and YCL.


The IAAF already said yesterday that even if she is found to be intersex or a woman she will not lose her title, because she could not have known.
Title: Caster semenya
Post by: The KWEDZA HOD on August 21, 2009, 11:42:10 AM
South african athlete who won the 800m.

This chick is suspected to be a man, because of the bang she packs, its so bad, during high school she was taken to the toilets to be inspected.

What do u guys think? Is it right for IAAF to take her in for gender checking, or they must just get used to the bang she packs??

I think they must just gett used to it, no one is complaining about bolt, why complain about an african...
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Blizzard on August 21, 2009, 11:48:47 AM

maybe i'm one of the "stupid people" but here is a black working cla** girl from Africa being interrogated by white middle cla** men !!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-bqET22vEU


before we dismiss the race argument,
1. what culture is the actual test based on? 2. what kind of questions are they gonna be asking her? 3. what is an "entire female" and what is that based on?
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: rob_one on August 21, 2009, 11:55:13 AM

1. what culture is the actual test based on? 2. what kind of questions are they gonna be asking her? 3. what is an "entire female" and what is that based on?

1. Science
2. They're not asking her questions. They're testing her DNA in a lab
3. An entire female is an organism with an XX chromosome. An XXY, which is a possibility with Semenya, is an incomplete female where the zygote did not properly divide in the uterus. If she is an XXY, it would not rule her out of competition.
Title: Re: Caster semenya
Post by: Papa ThReAdS on August 21, 2009, 11:55:59 AM
DId you really have to open up another thread guy?
Title: Re: Caster semenya
Post by: The KWEDZA HOD on August 21, 2009, 11:57:50 AM
Is there one already... Where is it? Didn't see it, link please
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: The Angry Hand of God on August 21, 2009, 12:01:46 PM

1. what culture is the actual test based on? 2. what kind of questions are they gonna be asking her? 3. what is an "entire female" and what is that based on?

1. Science
2. They're not asking her questions. They're testing her DNA in a lab
3. An entire female is an organism with an XX chromosome. An XXY, which is a possibility with Semenya, is an incomplete female where the zygote did not properly divide in the uterus. If she is an XXY, it would not rule her out of competition.

I LIKE THE WAY YOU HANDLED THAT. I commend you.

I was gonna tell him to stop being a f***ing idiot. Did he think it was gonna be a test as in something you write in an exam room?

So, just because those journos happen to be white men, their questions are automatically racist? Shit, they should quit then, or avoid asking black people anything.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: rob_one on August 21, 2009, 12:02:36 PM

1. what culture is the actual test based on? 2. what kind of questions are they gonna be asking her? 3. what is an "entire female" and what is that based on?

1. Science
2. They're not asking her questions. They're testing her DNA in a lab
3. An entire female is an organism with an XX chromosome. An XXY, which is a possibility with Semenya, is an incomplete female where the zygote did not properly divide in the uterus. If she is an XXY, it would not rule her out of competition.

I LIKE THE WAY YOU HANDLED THAT. I commend you.

I was gonna tell him to stop being a f***ing idiot. Did he think it was gonna be a test as in something you write in an exam room?

So, just because those journos happen to be white men, their questions are automatically racist? Shit, they should quit then, or avoid asking black people anything.

White men can't jump. Or be journalists.
 ;D
Title: Re: Caster semenya
Post by: rob_one on August 21, 2009, 12:03:05 PM
Is there one already... Where is it? Didn't see it, link please

http://www.africasgateway.com/forums/index.php?topic=26725.0
Title: Re: Caster semenya
Post by: TY-D-CPT-021-NKE on August 21, 2009, 12:03:27 PM
f*** if there is one already...the chickguy is talented and must have worked real hard to be where she/he is right now...however there is a defiency where a female has the inside/stamina of a man..not sure what its called...but it is possible that she has that thing...
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Blizzard on August 21, 2009, 12:12:33 PM
i read somewhere that pyschologists are going to be part of the test, hence my question about culture. so because its based on Science makes it flawless. Pyro- you can insult me later but right now i want to understand the whole argument.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: The Angry Hand of God on August 21, 2009, 12:21:22 PM
Okay, I promise to insult you later then.

This is how it works (simplified version):

They will take her blood and do a DNA test.

Humans have 46 chromosomes. 23 come from their father, the other 23 from their mother. One sex chromosome is contributed from each parent.Women only have X chromosomes, which determines their sex. Thus women are written as XX. Men on the other hand are XY.
Men can have a daughter or a son. Women can't have babies with other women, but if they could, they would only be able to have daughters, cos they have no Y chromosomes.

What sometimes happens is that babies are born with both XX and a Y chromosome. This is what they will be testing for  I a**ume.

I don't know what the shrinks will be for, but I suspect they are just there to help her through the trauma and the fact that she is ugly enough to be mistaken for a man.

Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: rob_one on August 21, 2009, 12:38:40 PM
What I don't actually understand about this site is the number of people who mock science.

I mean, it's not as if good science is based on anything like results. Or evidence. Or empirically verifiable statements, or anything like that.

Science is not flawless. But frankly, it's a lot better than most of the horseshit you idiots come up with.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: The Angry Hand of God on August 21, 2009, 12:53:17 PM
These are the same people who believe in an invisible dude in the sky who sits and writes down everything everyone does and can see everything at the same time.

A guy whose existence is impossible to prove through any test. But then they criticise principles that are proven. If I add pota**ium to water it will burn. This is a fact. Science has proven this and it will be this way forever. YEt they question these kind of facts in favour of blind faith in something impossible to prove.

I'm down with flying spaghetti monsters.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: DaT NiGGa P-DuB on August 21, 2009, 01:19:20 PM
^ WOW!
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Papa ThReAdS on August 21, 2009, 01:29:56 PM

White men can't jump. Or be journalists.
 ;D


You've never lied.






8)
Title: Re: Caster semenya
Post by: Papa ThReAdS on August 21, 2009, 01:33:37 PM
f*** if there is one already...the chickguy is talented and must have worked real hard to be where she/he is right now...however there is a defiency where a female has the inside/stamina of a man..not sure what its called...but it is possible that she has that thing...

Its called an ncanca.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Dpleezy on August 21, 2009, 02:18:12 PM
White men can't jump. Or be journalists.
 ;D

That's ridiculous. That's like saying black men can't keep goal.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Papa ThReAdS on August 21, 2009, 02:23:46 PM
White men can't jump. Or be journalists.
 ;D

That's ridiculous. That's like saying black men can't keep goal.

Thats actually true! But they sure can score 'em!
Title: Re: Caster semenya
Post by: TY-D-CPT-021-NKE on August 21, 2009, 02:24:41 PM
f*** if there is one already...the chickguy is talented and must have worked real hard to be where she/he is right now...however there is a defiency where a female has the inside/stamina of a man..not sure what its called...but it is possible that she has that thing...

Its called an ncanca.

yeah mang that thing..now can she be penis-lized for that..not her fault...
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: The KWEDZA HOD on August 21, 2009, 02:38:25 PM
(http://a**ets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/08/21/alg_championship_caster-semenya.jpg)
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2009/8/20/1250754816108/South-Africas-Caster-Seme-001.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/19/article-0-061D19E9000005DC-924_306x423.jpg)


As much as i would like to question it too, but she does look guyish. But hey, if she is female, then let it be. Its not really worth it for her to go thru such a hardship at that age...
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Blizzard on August 21, 2009, 02:44:50 PM

So, just because those journos happen to be white men, their questions are automatically racist? Shit, they should quit then, or avoid asking black people anything.

White men can't jump. Or be journalists.
 ;D

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wait a minute!!! both of you are journalists and you believe that your race, gender, cla** etc do not have anything to do with the kind of questions you ask, the angle you take, and what you want your audience to think after reading your story?
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: rob_one on August 21, 2009, 02:46:46 PM
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So, just because those journos happen to be white men, their questions are automatically racist? Shit, they should quit then, or avoid asking black people anything.

White men can't jump. Or be journalists.
 ;D


wait a minute!!! both of you are journalists and you believe that your race, gender, cla** etc do not have anything to do with the kind of questions you ask, the angle you take, and what you want your audience to think after reading your story?
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Oh good grief.

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Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Dpleezy on August 21, 2009, 02:48:17 PM
"This is about racism"

"These rumours come from South Africa. Why did these people write to the IAAF?

"These are the same people who don’t want 2010 (next year’s Fifa World Cup), the same people who bring black people down and the same people who refuse to believe that Africans can make it on the world stage."

- Athletics South Africa (ASA) president Leonard Chuene

Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: RearrangedReality on August 21, 2009, 02:54:13 PM
"This is about racism"

"These rumours come from South Africa. Why did these people write to the IAAF?

"These are the same people who don’t want 2010 (next year’s Fifa World Cup), the same people who bring black people down and the same people who refuse to believe that Africans can make it on the world stage."

- Athletics South Africa (ASA) president Leonard Chuene



If the rumours really come from SA, then I believe him.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Papa ThReAdS on August 21, 2009, 03:00:01 PM
You just have to read almost ALL columns reviews on news 24 to see how antagonistic 'white south africa' is towards the world cup, and black dominated sports in general.

Thats besides the point though. But like RR says, if the rumours did originate here, then i also believe him.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: The Angry Hand of God on August 21, 2009, 03:16:06 PM
So, if the rumours originated here, then they are racist, because all white South Africans are racist. What if it is a black person who complained after losing to him? Is she a coconut the?

A day ago Australians were the racist bastards to blame.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Blizzard on August 21, 2009, 03:28:44 PM
yes we have incompetent black people at ASA but we also have white racist who always shout from the sidelines and offer no real solutions to the problems that this country is facing and at the same still enjoying privilleges that come with whiteness
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Dpleezy on August 21, 2009, 03:50:20 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/19/article-1207653-06138704000005DC-688_468x502.jpg)

Who says there was a 'rumour' in the first place?

Semenya just obliterated the competition. She is highly masculine with a deep voice. It is the IAAF's job to investigate situations like this.

The IAAF has already come and said that they don't believe she is cheating, "This is a medical condition. It is nothing that she has done. There is a need to make sure rules are followed."

Incidentally, and for whatever it's worth, the sex test rules were introduced when there was suspicion that white people were cheating back in the 70s (which it turns out they were).

It is the performance and appearance of an athlete that arouses suspicion, not the colour of their skin. We all know that there are racists in South Africa, but the ASA is playing the race card to deflect any negative attention they have received for not realising Semenya's sex might be called into question and getting the necessary tests done sooner. For them to keep saying that she's a woman because she doesn't have a penis shows they don't understand the complexity of the situation.  
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Talentless on August 22, 2009, 12:31:15 AM
yes we have incompetent black people at ASA but we also have white racist who always shout from the sidelines and offer no real solutions to the problems that this country is facing and at the same still enjoying privilleges that come with whiteness

Don't lets tar all white South Africans with the same brush. Sure there are a few. So what? There are just as many, percentage-wise, black racists. Andblack people benefitting from being black. And white people benefitting from being white. Get over yourself.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: The KWEDZA HOD on August 22, 2009, 02:01:50 AM
The way I see it, ASA is not taking proper care of this matter, kinda puttin the whole situation in a bad spot where media can just toy with the whole idea, poor chick is now in the battle field fighting for petty air.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Dpleezy on August 22, 2009, 08:59:51 AM
Apparently someone has to make a complaint to the IAAF in order for them to investigate an athlete. In most cases it is other athletes or their athletics a**ociations who make the complaints.

The complaints process is completely confidential so it is unlikely that we'll ever know who made the complaint (unless they decide to go public).

The ASA's claim that 'racist white South Africans' caused the investigation into Semenya is extremely irresponsible because they have no way of knowing who made the complaint.

The more I hear about this story, the more I believe it is the ASA's fault that Semenya has suffered all this humiliation and indignity. What makes it worse is that there have been questions over Semenya's sex since she started competing at school level. The ASA have had many years to get the tests done so that no one could question her achievements.

It's depressing that South African leaders still resort to claims of racism to cover their a**es. It's even more depressing that South Africans are so quick to swallow the bullshit and jump on the racism bandwagon. If this thread is anything to go by, the ASA have done a great job deflecting blame away from themselves - Australians, the IAAF, racist white people and journalists have all caught wreck instead.

As I keep saying, we all know that there are racists in South Africa (and all over the world), but we should critically analyse situations before blindly accepting what people with vested interests tell us.

Winning an international gold medal should have been one of the happiest days of Semenya's life and a proud achievement for South Africa. Instead we have an entirely avoidable embarra**ing fiasco.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: The KWEDZA HOD on August 22, 2009, 09:07:05 AM
^^ I totaly agree with you, the way ASA seems to be playing their cards I will not be shocked to hear they launched the complaint... But even if they didn't, they had 18yrs of her life to do the test, why didn't they do it then? I mean, during school level, they checked her every event, now on national level what did they do, and now that its international level what is it they are doing? Sittin there saying they must ask her room mate, I mean what kind of bullshit is that? Ask her room mate, nxa...
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: The KWEDZA HOD on August 23, 2009, 10:36:55 AM
f*** it, she is a woman, just read the whole story on city press today, two pages worth of semenya, she just a tomboy... Nothing more. She is a woman and that's that.

Proud of her... Hope she breaks the record next olympics.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Dpleezy on August 24, 2009, 07:41:05 AM
The ASA could have cleared the whole thing up years ago. Coaches from other schools she was running against have been asking her to drop her drawers to prove she wasn't a boy since she started running as a kid.

If the ASA had been doing their job, they would have known that there would be questions about her sex on the world stage and would have had all the tests done years ago. Then she would have had official certification to show that she's a girl without having to undergo humiliating public enquiries after she's won an international gold medal.

If another athlete had made a complaint, the ASA could have just given the IAAF the certification and that would have been the end of it. Instead they did nothing and now to cover their a**es, they've got the whole country pointing fingers at racists and sexists.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: The KWEDZA HOD on August 24, 2009, 07:45:37 AM
Dude, before the world championships, there claim to have been an email from someone in ASA stating there was going to be a problem with her gender. Apart from that, they claim to have tested her twice already... Last year, what could have changed from last year to this year.. I mean really, does one get a natural sex change overnight... Mxm
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Dpleezy on August 24, 2009, 08:54:25 AM
I didn't know that the ASA had gone through the sex test process already. If this is true, why do they keep forwarding the argument that you can just ask her parents or her roommates? Why didn't they just say, check out the test results - we've go it covered.

I heard the main dude from the ASA on the radio claiming that their only remit was to produce world-cla** athletes. He said that when a child is presented to them as a girl, they just accept that. He claimed that it is not their job to question a child's sex.

I totally agree that Semenya has been treated like shit because of the public nature of the enquiry. However, it's not so easy to see who's fault that is. Obviously the media blew it up because it's an interesting story - but that's their job.

The IAAF president (who, for people who are interested in skin colour, is a black man), said...

"I deeply regret that confidentiality was breached in this case and that the IAAF were forced into a position of having to confirm that gender testing was being carried out on this young athlete,"

I think the interesting part is where he says 'forced into a position'. What are they supposed to do when someone makes a complaint? - their rules state that they have to investigate. You could argue that the whole thing could have been done more discretely, but that's not easy when you have a free press.

One thing is clear - for the ASA (and now the ANC) to start talking about racism, chauvinism and sexism is a joke. Where is the evidence of that? I heard on the radio this morning that the ANC are going to be appealing the UN to have the IAAF sanctioned under civil rights abuse charges.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Koli qha on August 24, 2009, 09:12:15 AM
u make it seem as though everyone who believes that this girl was unfortunately treated like shit is on the ASA, ANC talking racism, nywe nywe nywe.. the IAAF itself has admitted that the matter should have been handled a lot better. i don't care wat colour she is or wat the ANC says... i'm talking bout the lil(big) girl suffering emotionally as a result of the IAAF not protecting her at all. whether the ASA should, would have or any of that means diddly squat. <braces himself for the expected barrage.. *thinks*> this is so easy to understand..
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Papa ThReAdS on August 24, 2009, 09:19:22 AM
Find out more about our wonderful non racist white South African community here.

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f*** 'em all. Why people like to lie to themselves and say that there are only a few white racists in SA that spoil it for the rest of them, is like saying just because shit comes out of the a**, it doesnt always have to smell.

I personally wish the government tightens the noose on these f***ers so that they can all leave and go to this 'heaven' that exists outside of our borders.

Stop fooling yourselves. Just because they smile at you and tolerate you because you speak english in an accent that they feel is acceptable doesnt mean they think any higher of you.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: RearrangedReality on August 24, 2009, 09:30:32 AM
Stop fooling yourselves. Just because they smile at you and tolerate you because you speak english in an accent that they feel is acceptable doesnt mean they think any higher of you.

He tells no lies.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: rob_one on August 24, 2009, 09:34:50 AM
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f*** 'em all. Why people like to lie to themselves and say that there are only a few white racists in SA that spoil it for the rest of them, is like saying just because shit comes out of the a**, it doesnt always have to smell.

I personally wish the government tightens the noose on these f***ers so that they can all leave and go to this 'heaven' that exists outside of our borders.

Stop fooling yourselves. Just because they smile at you and tolerate you because you speak english in an accent that they feel is acceptable doesnt mean they think any higher of you.

Ah, ignore them and they'll go away. Fortunately, that page represents a minority. A stupid minority at that.  ;D
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: The KWEDZA HOD on August 24, 2009, 09:36:36 AM
That page is just wrong... Wanna meet the author, any ideas?
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Papa ThReAdS on August 24, 2009, 10:02:01 AM
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f*** 'em all. Why people like to lie to themselves and say that there are only a few white racists in SA that spoil it for the rest of them, is like saying just because shit comes out of the a**, it doesnt always have to smell.

I personally wish the government tightens the noose on these f***ers so that they can all leave and go to this 'heaven' that exists outside of our borders.

Stop fooling yourselves. Just because they smile at you and tolerate you because you speak english in an accent that they feel is acceptable doesnt mean they think any higher of you.

Ah, ignore them and they'll go away. Fortunately, that page represents a minority. A stupid minority at that.  ;D

A minority? There are tons of forums like this out there. I could post a couple more if you would like me to.

The sad thing is you dont even have to go far to find blatant racism. Just read the comments on the local online newspapers. Have a look at both article comments, and especially the column comments.

It really is funny how we carry on like nothing is wrong, and down play all these things. Its cool though. Im not even trying to start something. People just need to wake the f*** up is all im saying.

There is a shit storm on the way. We just saw the tip of the iceburg when they were attacking african nationals in the country. When it resurfaces, i can garantee you it wont only be africans on the shit list.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: RearrangedReality on August 24, 2009, 10:22:49 AM
Find out more about our wonderful non racist white South African community here.

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f*** 'em all. Why people like to lie to themselves and say that there are only a few white racists in SA that spoil it for the rest of them, is like saying just because shit comes out of the a**, it doesnt always have to smell.

I personally wish the government tightens the noose on these f***ers so that they can all leave and go to this 'heaven' that exists outside of our borders.

Stop fooling yourselves. Just because they smile at you and tolerate you because you speak english in an accent that they feel is acceptable doesnt mean they think any higher of you.

Ah, ignore them and they'll go away. Fortunately, that page represents a minority. A stupid minority at that.  ;D

A minority? There are tons of forums like this out there. I could post a couple more if you would like me to.

The sad thing is you dont even have to go far to find blatant racism. Just read the comments on the local online newspapers. Have a look at both article comments, and especially the column comments.

It really is funny how we carry on like nothing is wrong, and down play all these things. Its cool though. Im not even trying to start something. People just need to wake the f*** up is all im saying.

There is a shit storm on the way. We just saw the tip of the iceburg when they were attacking african nationals in the country. When it resurfaces, i can garantee you it wont only be africans on the shit list.

This man here sees through my eyes.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Dpleezy on August 24, 2009, 10:24:13 AM
Find out more about our wonderful non racist white South African community here.

http://www.zasucks.com/

f*** 'em all. Why people like to lie to themselves and say that there are only a few white racists in SA that spoil it for the rest of them, is like saying just because shit comes out of the a**, it doesnt always have to smell.

I personally wish the government tightens the noose on these f***ers so that they can all leave and go to this 'heaven' that exists outside of our borders.

Stop fooling yourselves. Just because they smile at you and tolerate you because you speak english in an accent that they feel is acceptable doesnt mean they think any higher of you.

There are white racists in South Africa. No one is arguing about that.

However, there is no evidence that racist white South Africans are behind the Semenya debacle.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: the panic! on August 24, 2009, 10:26:20 AM
racist white people are to Threadz what Christians are to Pyro.

both of you hate the above mentioned pa**ionately and yet Threadz knows every right-wing blog in SA and Pyro can relate the bible from cover to cover.

i can't call it.

we are always having the same discussion with the same people falling on the opposing sides.

i've always wondered, though:

the goal of the AG racialist seems to be alleviating black people from poverty and other positions of inferiority. okay, but what is the goal of the AG non-racialist? and where do their goals converge? should we not start there, maybe?

Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: RearrangedReality on August 24, 2009, 10:31:18 AM
Find out more about our wonderful non racist white South African community here.

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f*** 'em all. Why people like to lie to themselves and say that there are only a few white racists in SA that spoil it for the rest of them, is like saying just because shit comes out of the a**, it doesnt always have to smell.

I personally wish the government tightens the noose on these f***ers so that they can all leave and go to this 'heaven' that exists outside of our borders.

Stop fooling yourselves. Just because they smile at you and tolerate you because you speak english in an accent that they feel is acceptable doesnt mean they think any higher of you.

There are white racists in South Africa. No one is arguing about that.

However, there is no evidence that racist white South Africans are behind the Semenya debacle.

Im not sure if you dont understand how hard it is to prove that someone is being racist.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Dpleezy on August 24, 2009, 10:35:42 AM
u make it seem as though everyone who believes that this girl was unfortunately treated like shit is on the ASA, ANC talking racism, nywe nywe nywe.. the IAAF itself has admitted that the matter should have been handled a lot better. i don't care wat colour she is or wat the ANC says... i'm talking bout the lil(big) girl suffering emotionally as a result of the IAAF not protecting her at all. whether the ASA should, would have or any of that means diddly squat. <braces himself for the expected barrage.. *thinks*> this is so easy to understand..

OK. What do you think the IAAF should have done?
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Bobby Banks on August 24, 2009, 10:36:44 AM
Find out more about our wonderful non racist white South African community here.

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f*** 'em all. Why people like to lie to themselves and say that there are only a few white racists in SA that spoil it for the rest of them, is like saying just because shit comes out of the a**, it doesnt always have to smell.

I personally wish the government tightens the noose on these f***ers so that they can all leave and go to this 'heaven' that exists outside of our borders.

Stop fooling yourselves. Just because they smile at you and tolerate you because you speak english in an accent that they feel is acceptable doesnt mean they think any higher of you.

Ah, ignore them and they'll go away. Fortunately, that page represents a minority. A stupid minority at that.  ;D

A minority? There are tons of forums like this out there. I could post a couple more if you would like me to.

The sad thing is you dont even have to go far to find blatant racism. Just read the comments on the local online newspapers. Have a look at both article comments, and especially the column comments.

It really is funny how we carry on like nothing is wrong, and down play all these things. Its cool though. Im not even trying to start something. People just need to wake the f*** up is all im saying.

There is a shit storm on the way. We just saw the tip of the iceburg when they were attacking african nationals in the country. When it resurfaces, i can garantee you it wont only be africans on the shit list.

i really cant understand why you have such a negative outlook on the future of this country. we are almost 20 years deep into a totally new regime and democracy and nothing to the effect of what you are implying has happened yet.

sure, there are racists in the country. both white and black. but all you ever do is seem to perppetuate the cycle without offering any real suggestions on how to aleviate the situation?

pa**ing blame will not resolve anything.
lets not ruin the purpose of this thread. maybe you should start a new thread and take your irrelevant argument else where
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Papa ThReAdS on August 24, 2009, 10:39:39 AM
u make it seem as though everyone who believes that this girl was unfortunately treated like shit is on the ASA, ANC talking racism, nywe nywe nywe.. the IAAF itself has admitted that the matter should have been handled a lot better. i don't care wat colour she is or wat the ANC says... i'm talking bout the lil(big) girl suffering emotionally as a result of the IAAF not protecting her at all. whether the ASA should, would have or any of that means diddly squat. <braces himself for the expected barrage.. *thinks*> this is so easy to understand..

OK. What do you think the IAAF should have done?

Well for starters they should NEVER have publicised something that was clearly of a highly sensitive and confidential nature. Let alone the day before the poor girls final race.

As of yet, there hasnt even been an apology in the regard.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Papa ThReAdS on August 24, 2009, 10:41:12 AM
Find out more about our wonderful non racist white South African community here.

http://www.zasucks.com/

f*** 'em all. Why people like to lie to themselves and say that there are only a few white racists in SA that spoil it for the rest of them, is like saying just because shit comes out of the a**, it doesnt always have to smell.

I personally wish the government tightens the noose on these f***ers so that they can all leave and go to this 'heaven' that exists outside of our borders.

Stop fooling yourselves. Just because they smile at you and tolerate you because you speak english in an accent that they feel is acceptable doesnt mean they think any higher of you.

Ah, ignore them and they'll go away. Fortunately, that page represents a minority. A stupid minority at that.  ;D

A minority? There are tons of forums like this out there. I could post a couple more if you would like me to.

The sad thing is you dont even have to go far to find blatant racism. Just read the comments on the local online newspapers. Have a look at both article comments, and especially the column comments.

It really is funny how we carry on like nothing is wrong, and down play all these things. Its cool though. Im not even trying to start something. People just need to wake the f*** up is all im saying.

There is a shit storm on the way. We just saw the tip of the iceburg when they were attacking african nationals in the country. When it resurfaces, i can garantee you it wont only be africans on the shit list.

i really cant understand why you have such a negative outlook on the future of this country. we are almost 20 years deep into a totally new regime and democracy and nothing to the effect of what you are implying has happened yet.

sure, there are racists in the country. both white and black. but all you ever do is seem to perppetuate the cycle without offering any real suggestions on how to aleviate the situation?

pa**ing blame will not resolve anything.
lets not ruin the purpose of this thread. maybe you should start a new thread and take your irrelevant argument else where

Blinkers...

Wake up, while you still have an opportunity to.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Dpleezy on August 24, 2009, 11:05:22 AM
Find out more about our wonderful non racist white South African community here.

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f*** 'em all. Why people like to lie to themselves and say that there are only a few white racists in SA that spoil it for the rest of them, is like saying just because shit comes out of the a**, it doesnt always have to smell.

I personally wish the government tightens the noose on these f***ers so that they can all leave and go to this 'heaven' that exists outside of our borders.

Stop fooling yourselves. Just because they smile at you and tolerate you because you speak english in an accent that they feel is acceptable doesnt mean they think any higher of you.

There are white racists in South Africa. No one is arguing about that.

However, there is no evidence that racist white South Africans are behind the Semenya debacle.

Im not sure if you dont understand how hard it is to prove that someone is being racist.

If something can't be proved, how do we know it's there?

Do you have evidence of any kind that the IAAF is implementing racist policies that undermine black people?

For example, if you could show me that the IAAF had investigated a disproportionate number of black athletes then I'd be down. If you could show that disproportionately high sanctions had been given to black athletes, I'd also be down. If you could show me anything to point towards a racist agenda, I'd be the first to join in with a big f*** You to the IAAF.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Dpleezy on August 24, 2009, 11:21:54 AM
u make it seem as though everyone who believes that this girl was unfortunately treated like shit is on the ASA, ANC talking racism, nywe nywe nywe.. the IAAF itself has admitted that the matter should have been handled a lot better. i don't care wat colour she is or wat the ANC says... i'm talking bout the lil(big) girl suffering emotionally as a result of the IAAF not protecting her at all. whether the ASA should, would have or any of that means diddly squat. <braces himself for the expected barrage.. *thinks*> this is so easy to understand..

OK. What do you think the IAAF should have done?

Well for starters they should NEVER have publicised something that was clearly of a highly sensitive and confidential nature. Let alone the day before the poor girls final race.

As of yet, there hasnt even been an apology in the regard.

I agree, the breach of confidentiality is unforgivable, but they have issued an apology for that.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: MrC The Rap God Almighty on August 24, 2009, 11:29:41 AM
Just got this pic on email. Why wasn't this broad tested ?  ;D ;D ;D

(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee247/MisterC123/80691155.jpg)
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: rob_one on August 24, 2009, 11:31:27 AM
Because there's no test for Photoshop-ingesting.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: RearrangedReality on August 24, 2009, 11:43:45 AM
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f*** 'em all. Why people like to lie to themselves and say that there are only a few white racists in SA that spoil it for the rest of them, is like saying just because shit comes out of the a**, it doesnt always have to smell.

I personally wish the government tightens the noose on these f***ers so that they can all leave and go to this 'heaven' that exists outside of our borders.

Stop fooling yourselves. Just because they smile at you and tolerate you because you speak english in an accent that they feel is acceptable doesnt mean they think any higher of you.

There are white racists in South Africa. No one is arguing about that.

However, there is no evidence that racist white South Africans are behind the Semenya debacle.

Im not sure if you dont understand how hard it is to prove that someone is being racist.

If something can't be proved, how do we know it's there?

Do you have evidence of any kind that the IAAF is implementing racist policies that undermine black people?

For example, if you could show me that the IAAF had investigated a disproportionate number of black athletes then I'd be down. If you could show that disproportionately high sanctions had been given to black athletes, I'd also be down. If you could show me anything to point towards a racist agenda, I'd be the first to join in with a big f*** You to the IAAF.

Again I cannot prove it D but i can tell you i have a whole lot of daily experiences to recognise subtle racism. Im not saying this was instigated by the IAAF. Having a black  representative to make shit look like it has nothing to do with discrimination has been done so many times D.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: The Angry Hand of God on August 24, 2009, 11:52:25 AM
My last post in this thread:

Since the inception of gender testing, 8 women have been tested. Out of these 8, six were white. Where was the indignation and cries of racism then? Obviously the IAAF have something against white people, cos they have tested 3 times as many white women as black.

Maybe we should start a thread about that. How about a Facebook group?

Anyway, I'm done. f*** you all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIKB8po6j1E
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Dpleezy on August 24, 2009, 12:03:33 PM
Find out more about our wonderful non racist white South African community here.

http://www.zasucks.com/

f*** 'em all. Why people like to lie to themselves and say that there are only a few white racists in SA that spoil it for the rest of them, is like saying just because shit comes out of the a**, it doesnt always have to smell.

I personally wish the government tightens the noose on these f***ers so that they can all leave and go to this 'heaven' that exists outside of our borders.

Stop fooling yourselves. Just because they smile at you and tolerate you because you speak english in an accent that they feel is acceptable doesnt mean they think any higher of you.

There are white racists in South Africa. No one is arguing about that.

However, there is no evidence that racist white South Africans are behind the Semenya debacle.

Im not sure if you dont understand how hard it is to prove that someone is being racist.

If something can't be proved, how do we know it's there?

Do you have evidence of any kind that the IAAF is implementing racist policies that undermine black people?

For example, if you could show me that the IAAF had investigated a disproportionate number of black athletes then I'd be down. If you could show that disproportionately high sanctions had been given to black athletes, I'd also be down. If you could show me anything to point towards a racist agenda, I'd be the first to join in with a big f*** You to the IAAF.

Again I cannot prove it D but i can tell you i have a whole lot of daily experiences to recognise subtle racism. Im not saying this was instigated by the IAAF. Having a black  representative to make shit look like it has nothing to do with discrimination has been done so many times D.

I'm not saying that the IAAF can't be racist because they have a black President, I'm just asking to see some evidence of institutionalised racism beyond the fact that Semenya is having her gender questioned. If there is no evidence, what are we supposed to do?

I just read that this issue became public because there was a leak from the lab where Semenya's gender testing was being done. You could argue that there is a racist agenda at the lab, but I still don't see what the IAAF has done wrong. Once the issue became public, what could they do?

Half the people on this board think Semenya looks like a man. She's been questioned about her gender in South Africa by other black people all her life - are they all racists who don't understand a non-western paradigm of beauty?
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: SolitaryNative on August 24, 2009, 12:18:25 PM
Threadz, don't make me slap you (figuratively) for being a stupid racist like your friends on zasucks. Get a perspective and admit you thought she was a man, and that you wouldn't fight her if somebody paid you (barefisted I mean).

Let's not talk shit about concepts of beauty etc, she looks like a he-ra. Even if Julius says she is "cuddly" or whatever.

Should we then subject her to public humiliation? No.  If this is cleared up will I be happy? Yes.  As a South African? Yes. Can I honestly as a patriot etc say that I don't see at all why she would have been questioned over her sex? I could lie and get all racist/ nationalist and shit but deep down I know why people would want to know.  Does it hurt? Yes and I'm sure it hurts her even worse, and I hope she sues the shit out of someone if all is well.  The federations f***ed this one up royally, now everyone is jumping on the race card like the world doesn't LOVE black African athletes..... Double standards, you all know how us white folk like to see black people who run well.... that was by all intents, a joke.

I am not denying shitloads of white racism in SA, I work in that field every day and have seen shit that would make you want to pick up a gun. I am denying the link between that and Caster's testing though. Crying wolf ito racism makes it difficult for actual victims, and I personally want to be fully shocked when I hear someone had bananas shoved in their locker, got spat on by their supervisor or slapped and called heinous shit.

I don't want to get so used to hearing that everything is "racism" that I hear shit and just sigh, or capture it with "due respect" in some bullshit report.  In this instance, The ufcking race card has been played endlessly by a bunch of politically shallow (1st Zuma quote yeah!) geese doing f*** all to actually change the situation. Like the much maligned opposition, the people who cry "racism" at every given point are usually people simply screeching from the marshes, and not involved in actually trying to fix these problems at any level. Go do, put your hands (no kiddifiddla) on your community and make it right if it's so wrong.

Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: the panic! on August 24, 2009, 12:37:08 PM
Like the much maligned opposition, the people who cry "racism" at every given point are usually people simply screeching from the marshes, and not involved in actually trying to fix these problems at any level.

could just as easily be applied to those who cry "non-racialism".

Go do, put your hands (no kiddifiddla) on your community and make it right if it's so wrong.

we should all do this. people just have to figure out what it is they find important, and then act towards it. i personally don't think any of the for or against ideas expressed in this thread are so important as to not be dismissable when considering how and what you want to contribute to your community.

as i asked earlier, what does a non-racialist want? what does what they want have in common with someone who believes black people are persecuted?

i am deliberately ignoring the topic. to me this is just one of so many AG discussions on the relevance and role of race in SA; the words "Semenya" and "gender" in the title are just a formality.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: SolitaryNative on August 24, 2009, 12:44:08 PM
Like the much maligned opposition, the people who cry "racism" at every given point are usually people simply screeching from the marshes, and not involved in actually trying to fix these problems at any level.

could just as easily be applied to those who cry "non-racialism".



Exactly. This thread I am going to try to re-ignore. Mad thought provoking though.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Anna Sasin on August 24, 2009, 12:53:27 PM
Find out more about our wonderful non racist white South African community here.

http://www.zasucks.com/

whoah
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Koli qha on August 24, 2009, 12:56:15 PM

to me this is just one of so many AG discussions on the relevance and role of race in SA; the words "Semenya" and "gender" in the title are just a formality.

i've noticed. well put
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: RearrangedReality on August 24, 2009, 01:10:33 PM
Find out more about our wonderful non racist white South African community here.

http://www.zasucks.com/

f*** 'em all. Why people like to lie to themselves and say that there are only a few white racists in SA that spoil it for the rest of them, is like saying just because shit comes out of the a**, it doesnt always have to smell.

I personally wish the government tightens the noose on these f***ers so that they can all leave and go to this 'heaven' that exists outside of our borders.

Stop fooling yourselves. Just because they smile at you and tolerate you because you speak english in an accent that they feel is acceptable doesnt mean they think any higher of you.

There are white racists in South Africa. No one is arguing about that.

However, there is no evidence that racist white South Africans are behind the Semenya debacle.

Im not sure if you dont understand how hard it is to prove that someone is being racist.

If something can't be proved, how do we know it's there?

Do you have evidence of any kind that the IAAF is implementing racist policies that undermine black people?

For example, if you could show me that the IAAF had investigated a disproportionate number of black athletes then I'd be down. If you could show that disproportionately high sanctions had been given to black athletes, I'd also be down. If you could show me anything to point towards a racist agenda, I'd be the first to join in with a big f*** You to the IAAF.

Again I cannot prove it D but i can tell you i have a whole lot of daily experiences to recognise subtle racism. Im not saying this was instigated by the IAAF. Having a black  representative to make shit look like it has nothing to do with discrimination has been done so many times D.

I'm not saying that the IAAF can't be racist because they have a black President, I'm just asking to see some evidence of institutionalised racism beyond the fact that Semenya is having her gender questioned. If there is no evidence, what are we supposed to do?

I just read that this issue became public because there was a leak from the lab where Semenya's gender testing was being done. You could argue that there is a racist agenda at the lab, but I still don't see what the IAAF has done wrong. Once the issue became public, what could they do?

Half the people on this board think Semenya looks like a man. She's been questioned about her gender in South Africa by other black people all her life - are they all racists who don't understand a non-western paradigm of beauty?

she looks and sounds like a man to me too D. If i was a girl I wouldnt undress infront of her untill i see her ID but the issue here is about the intention. humiliation and racism.

My last post in this thread:

Since the inception of gender testing, 8 women have been tested. Out of these 8, six were white. Where was the indignation and cries of racism then? Obviously the IAAF have something against white people, cos they have tested 3 times as many white women as black.


Alright cool, but how many ppl know about the white women who were tested?
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: The Angry Hand of God on August 24, 2009, 02:00:49 PM
Alright cool, but how many ppl know about the white women who were tested?


You're such an a**hole. I said it was my last post, now you are forcing me to have to reply.

Actually, don't you think less people would have known if we didn't make such a big fuss and all our politicians and internet forum dwellers weren't so quick to yell "racism"?

The last incident I know of was three years ago, when an Indian woman was stripped of her medal. Semenya has already heard that she will be allowed to keep her title and medal, regardless. I think the Indian woman had more reason to put up a fuss.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: motho on August 24, 2009, 02:04:31 PM
Alright cool, but how many ppl know about the white women who were tested?


You're such an a**hole. I said it was my last post, now you are forcing me to have to reply.



 :D
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: RearrangedReality on August 24, 2009, 02:46:23 PM
Alright cool, but how many ppl know about the white women who were tested?


You're such an a**hole. I said it was my last post, now you are forcing me to have to reply.


ha ha ha!
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Talentless on August 24, 2009, 10:05:46 PM
Just to derail the thread slightly... anyone catch the 7pm e-tv news? That guy from the equit commisiion or some shiat like that, was talking about racism or inequality in the business sector or summin, and then he randomly tossed in a statement something like "..it's racism, just like with Semanya..."
and I was like dooooooood, wtf has Semanya got to do with the number of non-whites in top business positions?

Anyway, carry on as before.
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Dpleezy on August 25, 2009, 12:16:07 AM
Semenya failed the sex test...




































...she couldn't get her dick in the test tube to give a sample.



(sorry. heard it tonight)
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: The Angry Hand of God on September 24, 2009, 02:14:49 PM
(http://i33.tinypic.com/2aglxg5.jpg)
Title: Re: Questions surround Semenya's gender
Post by: Mad on September 27, 2009, 08:58:50 PM
so i guess in Greenland they know this chick, if this was me getting this much hype, id be f***ing happy like a horse, id be god damned if im saddened by this shit