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Title: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: A pimp named Sarkozy on October 22, 2009, 09:30:52 AM
Bullet-proof vests in SA!
Posted: 2009-10-21 15:39

The security team taking care of the German national team during the World Cup next year has warned the players to wear bullet-proof vests when they leave the hotel.

BaySecur says South Africa’s high crime-rate necessitates the extra security, which will also involve armed security personnel.
 
“The possibility for the players of moving outside of the hotel boundaries should be kept to a minimum,” BaySecur’s Guenter Schnelle tells German magazine Sport-Bild. “Otherwise there must be a full escort: armed security guards and bullet-proof vests for the players.”
 
German Football Federation (DFB) security boss Helmut Spahn says they won’t be taking any risks during the tournament.
 
“We will probably use more personnel than we would normally have,” he says. “We need to first of all get an idea of what security arrangements are already in place for both the team and the media. Then we will decide then whether to improve the security measures or whether they are sufficient.”

http://www.kickoff.com/static/news/article.php?id=11788
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Naturelle on October 22, 2009, 09:42:23 AM
The problem is the news that they see on tele.
I saw an insert on German TV showing hectic CCTV footage and all that is wrong with our country. And at this point in time, it's a lot of crime, corruption and getting away with murder. Newspapers are telling people to change their travel plans and forget about the world cup.
This is all they see.
Apparently 50 people are murdered everyday across SA, I didn't know that, call me naive.
I would be shyt scared to come here if I wasn't living here and thats' all I saw.
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Swordsman on October 22, 2009, 09:43:32 AM
Bullet-proof vests in SA!
Posted: 2009-10-21 15:39

The security team taking care of the German national team during the World Cup next year has warned the players to wear bullet-proof vests when they leave the hotel.

BaySecur says South Africa’s high crime-rate necessitates the extra security, which will also involve armed security personnel.
 
The possibility for the players of moving outside of the hotel boundaries should be kept to a minimum,” BaySecur’s Guenter Schnelle tells German magazine Sport-Bild. “Otherwise there must be a full escort: armed security guards and bullet-proof vests for the players.”
 
German Football Federation (DFB) security boss Helmut Spahn says they won’t be taking any risks during the tournament.
 
“We will probably use more personnel than we would normally have,” he says. “We need to first of all get an idea of what security arrangements are already in place for both the team and the media. Then we will decide then whether to improve the security measures or whether they are sufficient.”

http://www.kickoff.com/static/news/article.php?id=11788

 I wish those bastards meet some brazillian Shemales in the middle of S.A. and then they get raped by them after getting robbed, so that they loose the f***ing cup in the process.

Nazi puss.
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: The KWEDZA HOD on October 22, 2009, 09:51:10 AM
Quote from: Meshack: 2009-10-21 15:53
By the way?will they go around wearing the Condoms cos here in SA Chicks are way too HOT to ignore.I WONDER!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is by far the best comment there!
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Dpleezy on October 22, 2009, 09:53:02 AM
Now before we go and get all xenophobic, let's just look at the stats:

Murders in Germany: 0.0116461 per 1,000 people (ranked #49)
Murders in SA: 0.496008 per 1,000 people (ranked #2)

Murders with Firearms in Germany: 0.00465844 per 1,000 people (ranked #21)
Murders with Firearms in SA: 0.719782 per 1,000 people (ranked #1)

Rape in Germany: 0.0909731 per 1,000 people (ranked #24)
Rape in SA: 1.19538 per 1,000 people (ranked #1)

a**aults in Germany: 1.4183 per 1,000 people (ranked #26)
a**aults in SA: 12.0752 per 1,000 people (ranked #1)

(Source: NationMaster.com)

Now we all know that stats can be inaccurate and that they don't tell the whole story, but you can understand why someone who has never been to SA is going to be paranoid.
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: The Angry Hand of God on October 22, 2009, 09:54:33 AM
What are you guys pissed off about really?

Would you go on holiday to a country knowing that they have 40 murders a day? Hijackings have increased by approximately 400% in the past year, and the former chief of police is facing charges of corruption and accepting bribes from drug dealers who have also admitted to murder?

These guys only know what they see on TV and in the stats. You can't blame them.

Usually their attitudes change when they actually see the country and realise that its not like that all over. this will happen here too.
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Swordsman on October 22, 2009, 10:01:11 AM
What are you guys pissed off about really?

Would you go on holiday to a country knowing that they have 40 murders a day? Hijackings have increased by approximately 400% in the past year, and the former chief of police is facing charges of corruption and accepting bribes from drug dealers who have also admitted to murder?

These guys only know what they see on TV and in the stats. You can't blame them.

Usually their attitudes change when they actually see the country and realise that its not like that all over. this will happen here too.

point made, but under what circumstances are those murders commited?  do people go out on a random murder fest? or what? 
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Dpleezy on October 22, 2009, 10:02:14 AM
Bullet-proof vests in SA!
Posted: 2009-10-21 15:39

The security team taking care of the German national team during the World Cup next year has warned the players to wear bullet-proof vests when they leave the hotel.

BaySecur says South Africa’s high crime-rate necessitates the extra security, which will also involve armed security personnel.
 
The possibility for the players of moving outside of the hotel boundaries should be kept to a minimum,” BaySecur’s Guenter Schnelle tells German magazine Sport-Bild. “Otherwise there must be a full escort: armed security guards and bullet-proof vests for the players.”
 
German Football Federation (DFB) security boss Helmut Spahn says they won’t be taking any risks during the tournament.
 
“We will probably use more personnel than we would normally have,” he says. “We need to first of all get an idea of what security arrangements are already in place for both the team and the media. Then we will decide then whether to improve the security measures or whether they are sufficient.”

http://www.kickoff.com/static/news/article.php?id=11788

I wish those bastards meet some brazillian Shemales in the middle of S.A. and then they get raped by them after getting robbed, so that they loose the f***ing cup in the process.

Nazi puss.


And you wonder why people are scared to come to SA :)
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Swordsman on October 22, 2009, 10:07:01 AM
they come with that kind of expectation, they will get it.
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: MrC The Rap God Almighty on October 22, 2009, 10:08:05 AM
IPL was successfully hosted in SA cos of security concerns in India and England.No Incidents.

Irish and British Lions came over here with no worries.

We've hosted a successful Cricket World Cup, Rugby World Cup, AFCON, CONFED CUP,etc.

Can't believe you guys are sticking up for the Germans. We got tourists coming in on a daily,without bodyguard and shit
and they leave here without incidents. Yeah,yeah, some of them get caught in the wave, but that shit happens in every country.

The German team are already gonna come with a huge security contingent and they still wanna rock BV's ? That's some Bullshit man. This is huge tournament and im sure security will be tight all around.They might as well land in Cape Town with Armored Ships and moved thru the country in Tanks and shit,just to avoid all the stray bullets flying around.

Come on people.
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Killa Merc on October 22, 2009, 10:13:16 AM
Yes they are being paranoid. Funny how German corporations like Benz have production planst right here and have their execs come here on the regular. And all of a sudden their soccer team must have vests and be guarded.

yes crime is high, but to instruct players to keep any stepping outside hotel as low as possible is a joke. f***ing joke.

Everyone knows crime is high here. It's an abnormal society with a history of violence. You would expect them to know that it is hardly a big issue at international events like World Cups and International Politics Summits.

Ridiculous I tell yo.  


Now, D i dont get your logic. I can imagine someone comparing crime rates in Khayelithsa and paarl

Like

Murders in Cape Suburb  - 1 per 100 days
Murders in Khalthsa - 1 per hour.  

and then decinding not to go to khayelithsa orto wear bullet proof vest when going there. paranoid.

Naturelle - yes they show that on TV. but you would expect them to be deciding on security issues on more than TV reports. Easy as that. real ground info. Why wont they call their emba**y, Mercedes benz people, etc.they would know that it is dumb to say players must wear bullet proof vests and not step outside their hotels.

f*** Germany man.

Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Swordsman on October 22, 2009, 10:14:40 AM
co-sign Mr C
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: the panic! on October 22, 2009, 10:20:15 AM
why isn't anyone asking where these people are dying?

aside from the World Cup (which i couldn't give a shit about) i think this is important.

(i don't really care about the Germans' fear. i'm more afraid of them than anything else. i mean, i'm afraid for the people who will be made to cater to them.)

@ D and Pyro are you really shocked that people would be offended by this, or where you just using that to springboard your arguments?

 

Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Dpleezy on October 22, 2009, 10:23:24 AM
What are you guys pissed off about really?

Would you go on holiday to a country knowing that they have 40 murders a day? Hijackings have increased by approximately 400% in the past year, and the former chief of police is facing charges of corruption and accepting bribes from drug dealers who have also admitted to murder?

These guys only know what they see on TV and in the stats. You can't blame them.

Usually their attitudes change when they actually see the country and realise that its not like that all over. this will happen here too.

point made, but under what circumstances are those murders commited?  do people go out on a random murder fest? or what? 

People from other parts of the world don't take the time to analyse the circumstances of the individual murders or rapes, they just look at the broad picture and make a decision about whether or not they would feel safe in that environment.

Obviously football teams don't have any choice - the WC is here so they have to come. Naturally they are going to see the stats and the tv reports and want to take precautions. Now to us, these precautions may seem excessive or silly, but that's because we know the environment. There are many parts of the world (such as Afghanistan) where I wouldn't feel safe because I don't know the local conditions (even if a local told me, 'don't worry, it's cool').

The fact that they are coming at all means that they understand that SA has hosted a lot of successful international sporting events without incident. This doesn't change the fear that the stats induce in people who are not familiar with the local environment.
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: MrC The Rap God Almighty on October 22, 2009, 10:31:21 AM
Granted, we all understand their concerns around security. But for them to go around wearing Vests is ridiculous. Like what, people just go around shooting each other in the streets over here ? ppppsshhhh.
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Swordsman on October 22, 2009, 10:34:37 AM
People from other parts of the world don't take the time to analyse the circumstances of the individual murders or rapes, they just look at the broad picture and make a decision about whether or not they would feel safe in that environment.


if you are that concerned about your safety, you would make time.
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Dpleezy on October 22, 2009, 10:35:33 AM
why isn't anyone asking where these people are dying?

aside from the World Cup (which i couldn't give a shit about) i think this is important.

(i don't really care about the Germans' fear. i'm more afraid of them than anything else. i mean, i'm afraid for the people who will be made to cater to them.)

@ D and Pyro are you really shocked that people would be offended by this, or where you just using that to springboard your arguments?

I'm not trying to argue that the Germans are right to wear bullet proof vests or want to stay in their hotels. If I subscribed to that point of view, I wouldn't be living in SA, let alone running a record label where I end up spending a lot of time in various hoods. I am just saying that you have to understand people's fear of coming to, statistically, one of the most violent countries in the world. It's going to make them act a bit irrationally. Instead of understanding their fear, our reaction is to say, 'f*** these cats, I hope they die'.

I don't know where to find a list of murders by suburb. I'm sure most tourists don't know either.
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Dpleezy on October 22, 2009, 10:38:06 AM
Granted, we all understand their concerns around security. But for them to go around wearing Vests is ridiculous. Like what, people just go around shooting each other in the streets over here ? ppppsshhhh.

where do we people go around shooting each other?
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: MrC The Rap God Almighty on October 22, 2009, 10:45:47 AM
Granted, we all understand their concerns around security. But for them to go around wearing Vests is ridiculous. Like what, people just go around shooting each other in the streets over here ? ppppsshhhh.

where do we people go around shooting each other?

wow, are u for real ? ummm, how about mostly in their homes, their front gates,etc ? planned criminal activities instead of just senseless rampant lawlessness like say in Belize ?

please give us examples of where people are getting shot in the streets on a daily, in full view of everyone ? Im sure Brent Kebble doesn't count.

Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: the panic! on October 22, 2009, 10:52:01 AM
I'm not trying to argue that the Germans are right to wear bullet proof vests or want to stay in their hotels. If I subscribed to that point of view, I wouldn't be living in SA, let alone running a record label where I end up spending a lot of time in various hoods. I am just saying that you have to understand people's fear of coming to, statistically, one of the most violent countries in the world. It's going to make them act a bit irrationally. Instead of understanding their fear, our reaction is to say, 'f*** these cats, I hope they die'.

okay.

i was just asking if an angry gut-reaction (considering - amongst other things, of course - our history as a continent with Europe) is something that you can't come to expect and understand from people. seems to me like you might be asking a lot when you ask people who toil to make ends meet in a 'Third World' country ravaged by 'First World' countires to empathize with the fears of 'First Worlders' when they take brief, chauffeured, hotel-accomodated excursions into Africa.

of course it's natural that one should defend/protect themselves. that is very sensible. but you cannot ignore the 'sensitivity' of the situation if you hope to communicate effectively with people. we cannot expect an internet list to summate the situation or rather direct how people should feel/re-act (personally, i think it's also quite sensible to be offended/angered by this).

but i'm not sure if you were aiming to communicate or push your own point? if not, you can ignore what i've said.

I don't know where to find a list of murders by suburb. I'm sure most tourists don't know either.

as i said i don't care about the tourists. i was asking why South Africans don't investigate this.
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Dpleezy on October 22, 2009, 11:06:06 AM
I'm not trying to argue that the Germans are right to wear bullet proof vests or want to stay in their hotels. If I subscribed to that point of view, I wouldn't be living in SA, let alone running a record label where I end up spending a lot of time in various hoods. I am just saying that you have to understand people's fear of coming to, statistically, one of the most violent countries in the world. It's going to make them act a bit irrationally. Instead of understanding their fear, our reaction is to say, 'f*** these cats, I hope they die'.

okay.

i was just asking if an angry gut-reaction (considering - amongst other things, of course - our history as a continent with Europe) is something that you can't come to expect and understand from people. seems to me like you might be asking a lot when you ask people who toil to make ends meet in a 'Third World' country ravaged by 'First World' countires to empathize with the fears of 'First Worlders' when they take brief, chauffeured, hotel-accomodated excursions into Africa.

of course it's natural that one should defend/protect themselves. that is very sensible. but you cannot ignore the 'sensitivity' of the situation if you hope to communicate effectively with people. we cannot expect an internet list to summate the situation or rather direct how people should feel/re-act (personally, i think it's also quite sensible to be offended/angered by this).

but i'm not sure if you were aiming to communicate or push your own point? if not, you can ignore what i've said.

I don't know where to find a list of murders by suburb. I'm sure most tourists don't know either.

as i said i don't care about the tourists. i was asking why South Africans don't investigate this.

So you think it's sensible to be offended or angered by Germans feeling scared? So what shall we do, round up all the Germans who arrive in SA and shoot them?
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: the panic! on October 22, 2009, 11:12:24 AM
So you think it's sensible to be offended or angered by Germans feeling scared? So what shall we do, round up all the Germans who arrive in SA and shoot them?

yes, within context it is sensible to be offended by the Germans being scared.

no, i don't think we should be violent. i think we should investigate why we re-act that way.
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: The Angry Hand of God on October 22, 2009, 11:29:08 AM

 or where you just using that to springboard your arguments?

 

This.

Give ma a while though, I am on my way out again.
Be back after 14:00.
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: General Ratzinger van Stilzkin on October 22, 2009, 11:44:45 AM
personally its pointless getting hot under the collar over people's ignorance, the world is such that people act on perceptions,  case in point many many years ago b4 i came to SA , the perception was that south africa was war torn and basically the idea was "why are u moving to a country that is war" suffice to say there was no war, but the news we got on SA was always about riots and such.

the same with these germans all they hear about in their media is people getting killed, corruption trials, president pomping HIV + woman, the one president getting kicked out, no one gives a full detailed story

its pointless to get angry because im pretty sure everyone here has a perception about some or other african country based on media reports which in most cases has nothing to do with the country at all.

so its a waste of energy. the bullet proof vest is bullshit, if its true.
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: song-stress on October 22, 2009, 02:04:58 PM
phuck that i wanna see a sick pack mna

bladdy ignant Europeans mofo's!
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Dpleezy on October 22, 2009, 02:14:50 PM
phuck that i wanna see a sick pack mna

bladdy ignant Europeans mofo's!

I guess it would annoy people if I pointed out how many South Africans tell me not to go to certain hoods because of stories they have heard about those hood, despite never having been there themselves...
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: song-stress on October 22, 2009, 02:25:52 PM
phuck that i wanna see a sick pack mna

bladdy ignant Europeans mofo's!

I guess it would annoy people if I pointed out how many South Africans tell me not to go to certain hoods because of stories they have heard about those hood, despite never having been there themselves...



My theory on "locations" aka hoods; go there with someone who is from there, they will show you what kind of culture the place has.  Which parts are "straight up gangsta" and which parts you can hang out at!  If you dont do this, u can be easily spotted as the alien, coz ur walking will probably expose you! just me.


and ya phuck those Germans.... SA prostitutes must deny them! nxa
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Capt Schti on October 22, 2009, 02:36:56 PM
phuck that i wanna see a sick pack mna

bladdy ignant Europeans mofo's!

I guess it would annoy people if I pointed out how many South Africans tell me not to go to certain hoods because of stories they have heard about those hood, despite never having been there themselves...

No it wouldn't (after all this warning is worldwide).
What annoys people is that as someone who lives in South Africa, you should know better.
No one has the business to say people coming to South Africa should be wearing vest whether misguided or not.

I (we) are outraged because, not only is it false, but we are the people of this country who wake up to make an honest living, pay taxes, and totally abhor crime and as someone living here 24/7 you should be outraged too, if not definitely not on their side.
 
It's an insult for someone who is basically is going to be spending just one month as a guest in our country to ridicule and silly our daily lives.

Ironically I was driving around in Soweto with a white German guy last night when we heard Robert Marawa say this on the radio.
We went to a buy and braai and the Chiefs match. He even disappeared for five minutes.                   
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Dpleezy on October 22, 2009, 03:00:01 PM
phuck that i wanna see a sick pack mna

bladdy ignant Europeans mofo's!

I guess it would annoy people if I pointed out how many South Africans tell me not to go to certain hoods because of stories they have heard about those hood, despite never having been there themselves...

No it wouldn't (after all this warning is worldwide).
What annoys people is that as someone who lives in South Africa, you should know better.
No one has the business to say people coming to South Africa should be wearing vest whether misguided or not.

I (we) are outraged because, not only is it false, but we are the people of this country who wake up to make an honest living, pay taxes, and totally abhor crime and as someone living here 24/7 you should be outraged too, if not definitely not on their side.
 
It's an insult for someone who is basically is going to be spending just one month as a guest in our country to ridicule and silly our daily lives.

Ironically I was driving around in Soweto with a white German guy last night when we heard Robert Marawa say this on the radio.
We went to a buy and braai and the Chiefs match. He even disappeared for five minutes.                   

When did I say that anyone should wear a bullet-proof vest in SA (apart from the police of course)?

I think it's stupid that the German football federation are advising their players to wear vests and stay in their hotels, but I understand why they are doing it - they hear '50 murders a day' and they get shook. It's their job to make sure that their players are safe - not to make sure that they get a balanced and fair view of South Africa. They are doing their job over-zealously but I don't think that makes them evil.

I'm sure Obama goes everywhere with ma**ively over-zealous security too. Does that make him stupid and insensitive?

I was with a South African friend of mine on his first trip to London. He was blown away when he saw white people sleeping on the streets and begging for money in London. He thought everyone in the UK was rich. The point is, he didn't know any better until he went there and saw it himself.

Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Capt Schti on October 22, 2009, 03:19:10 PM
phuck that i wanna see a sick pack mna

bladdy ignant Europeans mofo's!

I guess it would annoy people if I pointed out how many South Africans tell me not to go to certain hoods because of stories they have heard about those hood, despite never having been there themselves...

No it wouldn't (after all this warning is worldwide).
What annoys people is that as someone who lives in South Africa, you should know better.
No one has the business to say people coming to South Africa should be wearing vest whether misguided or not.

I (we) are outraged because, not only is it false, but we are the people of this country who wake up to make an honest living, pay taxes, and totally abhor crime and as someone living here 24/7 you should be outraged too, if not definitely not on their side.
 
It's an insult for someone who is basically is going to be spending just one month as a guest in our country to ridicule and silly our daily lives.

Ironically I was driving around in Soweto with a white German guy last night when we heard Robert Marawa say this on the radio.
We went to a buy and braai and the Chiefs match. He even disappeared for five minutes.                   

When did I say that anyone should wear a bullet-proof vest in SA (apart from the police of course)?

I think it's stupid that the German football federation are advising their players to wear vests and stay in their hotels, but I understand why they are doing it - they hear '50 murders a day' and they get shook. It's their job to make sure that their players are safe - not to make sure that they get a balanced and fair view of South Africa. They are doing their job over-zealously but I don't think that makes them evil.

I'm sure Obama goes everywhere with ma**ively over-zealous security too. Does that make him stupid and insensitive?

I was with a South African friend of mine on his first trip to London. He was blown away when he saw white people sleeping on the streets and begging for money in London. He thought everyone in the UK was rich. The point is, he didn't know any better until he went there and saw it himself.



Then you understand that their job is safe-guard their players not make lazy and insane sweeping statement.

They should ask the German consulate in the country for tips or the countless fat German chicks that visit Cape Town every year to get black dick...

Anyway Obama is the first black president of an openly hated country.

And there really isn't much I can say about someone who believes that white people can't be homeless.
Did he put a gla** to the bathroom door every time you went in to find if you guys shit too?

Playin'

There is a very good piece written by a British writer for The Guardian about traveling to the world cup. I'mma try and find that and post it.               
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Papa ThReAdS on October 22, 2009, 03:47:52 PM

I'm sure Obama goes everywhere with ma**ively over-zealous security too. Does that make him stupid and insensitive?



This right here, is just stupid. If you have no idea why he in particular, or any other president for that matter, rolls with such a thick security detail, then i seriously dont even know what to say to you.
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Dpleezy on October 22, 2009, 04:03:30 PM
phuck that i wanna see a sick pack mna

bladdy ignant Europeans mofo's!

I guess it would annoy people if I pointed out how many South Africans tell me not to go to certain hoods because of stories they have heard about those hood, despite never having been there themselves...

No it wouldn't (after all this warning is worldwide).
What annoys people is that as someone who lives in South Africa, you should know better.
No one has the business to say people coming to South Africa should be wearing vest whether misguided or not.

I (we) are outraged because, not only is it false, but we are the people of this country who wake up to make an honest living, pay taxes, and totally abhor crime and as someone living here 24/7 you should be outraged too, if not definitely not on their side.
 
It's an insult for someone who is basically is going to be spending just one month as a guest in our country to ridicule and silly our daily lives.

Ironically I was driving around in Soweto with a white German guy last night when we heard Robert Marawa say this on the radio.
We went to a buy and braai and the Chiefs match. He even disappeared for five minutes.                   

When did I say that anyone should wear a bullet-proof vest in SA (apart from the police of course)?

I think it's stupid that the German football federation are advising their players to wear vests and stay in their hotels, but I understand why they are doing it - they hear '50 murders a day' and they get shook. It's their job to make sure that their players are safe - not to make sure that they get a balanced and fair view of South Africa. They are doing their job over-zealously but I don't think that makes them evil.

I'm sure Obama goes everywhere with ma**ively over-zealous security too. Does that make him stupid and insensitive?

I was with a South African friend of mine on his first trip to London. He was blown away when he saw white people sleeping on the streets and begging for money in London. He thought everyone in the UK was rich. The point is, he didn't know any better until he went there and saw it himself.



Then you understand that their job is safe-guard their players not make lazy and insane sweeping statement.

They should ask the German consulate in the country for tips or the countless fat German chicks that visit Cape Town every year to get black dick...

Anyway Obama is the first black president of an openly hated country.

And there really isn't much I can say about someone who believes that white people can't be homeless.
Did he put a gla** to the bathroom door every time you went in to find if you guys shit too?

Playin'

There is a very good piece written by a British writer for The Guardian about traveling to the world cup. I'mma try and find that and post it.               

This one?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2009/jul/16/south-africa-2010-football-world-cup (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2009/jul/16/south-africa-2010-football-world-cup)
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Ramorethetho on October 22, 2009, 04:31:27 PM

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Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Capt Schti on October 22, 2009, 04:41:06 PM
phuck that i wanna see a sick pack mna

bladdy ignant Europeans mofo's!

I guess it would annoy people if I pointed out how many South Africans tell me not to go to certain hoods because of stories they have heard about those hood, despite never having been there themselves...

No it wouldn't (after all this warning is worldwide).
What annoys people is that as someone who lives in South Africa, you should know better.
No one has the business to say people coming to South Africa should be wearing vest whether misguided or not.

I (we) are outraged because, not only is it false, but we are the people of this country who wake up to make an honest living, pay taxes, and totally abhor crime and as someone living here 24/7 you should be outraged too, if not definitely not on their side.
 
It's an insult for someone who is basically is going to be spending just one month as a guest in our country to ridicule and silly our daily lives.

Ironically I was driving around in Soweto with a white German guy last night when we heard Robert Marawa say this on the radio.
We went to a buy and braai and the Chiefs match. He even disappeared for five minutes.                   

When did I say that anyone should wear a bullet-proof vest in SA (apart from the police of course)?

I think it's stupid that the German football federation are advising their players to wear vests and stay in their hotels, but I understand why they are doing it - they hear '50 murders a day' and they get shook. It's their job to make sure that their players are safe - not to make sure that they get a balanced and fair view of South Africa. They are doing their job over-zealously but I don't think that makes them evil.

I'm sure Obama goes everywhere with ma**ively over-zealous security too. Does that make him stupid and insensitive?

I was with a South African friend of mine on his first trip to London. He was blown away when he saw white people sleeping on the streets and begging for money in London. He thought everyone in the UK was rich. The point is, he didn't know any better until he went there and saw it himself.



Then you understand that their job is safe-guard their players not make lazy and insane sweeping statement.

They should ask the German consulate in the country for tips or the countless fat German chicks that visit Cape Town every year to get black dick...

Anyway Obama is the first black president of an openly hated country.

And there really isn't much I can say about someone who believes that white people can't be homeless.
Did he put a gla** to the bathroom door every time you went in to find if you guys shit too?

Playin'

There is a very good piece written by a British writer for The Guardian about traveling to the world cup. I'mma try and find that and post it.               

This one?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2009/jul/16/south-africa-2010-football-world-cup (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2009/jul/16/south-africa-2010-football-world-cup)

Haven't read this one, will now, the one I'm talking about is written by David Smith.   
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Killa Merc on October 22, 2009, 04:54:02 PM
why isn't anyone asking where these people are dying?

aside from the World Cup (which i couldn't give a shit about) i think this is important.

(i don't really care about the Germans' fear. i'm more afraid of them than anything else. i mean, i'm afraid for the people who will be made to cater to them.)

@ D and Pyro are you really shocked that people would be offended by this, or where you just using that to springboard your arguments?

I'm not trying to argue that the Germans are right to wear bullet proof vests or want to stay in their hotels. If I subscribed to that point of view, I wouldn't be living in SA, let alone running a record label where I end up spending a lot of time in various hoods. I am just saying that you have to understand people's fear of coming to, statistically, one of the most violent countries in the world. It's going to make them act a bit irrationally. Instead of understanding their fear, our reaction is to say, 'f*** these cats, I hope they die'.

I don't know where to find a list of murders by suburb. I'm sure most tourists don't know either.

Crime stats are collated from police stations in certain  areas. So the same source produces national stats has them . i have seen this in newspaper reports after our annual crime stats release. So you can do some digging and get them . Anyway, my point was it seems an overeraction to look at geographic stats and compare them to where you are and decide to wear vests or stay in your hotel.
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: daliq on October 22, 2009, 06:59:10 PM
bet u when u a vistor to any country theyd tell u to 'protect ya neck' son.
therez a lot of countries with anomalies & crime high weighted stats.

from the brief probing into SA there was normal life, ghetto chefz, Businezz, partay, grieff mongerz & unorthodoxed gun positionz.
I bet u Sao Paolo or even in Jamaica or Haiti or er'where therez such stuff.
when i was a kid visitin soweto that shit registered way back.. the news/media corps must be the 1.
saw cars jacked, & mo explicit ish last time after 2K, when it comes to stats. we collectively creating this ish we discussin'
there must be places in Gauteng where they New Jersey drive your car & U xzit with a brief jog.
aint from SA Had a good ti'ne when I was thur with guys tryina shoot, jack u ova dime pieces ^2...only cause language barriers were not issue
'er hoodz the same' the media & stress ovablowz it , bet u theyd have a grand time @ the WC, hehe nxt
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Mad on October 23, 2009, 11:13:40 PM
im tired of people who know a lot of things about our country more than we citizens do. im still shocked about how people manage to come to such absurd conclusions about a country using information they derived from the media, the very same media they consistently accuse of spreading false and delusional reports throughout the world.

its funny how these european countries isolate themselves away from such crime issues, its also shocking to find out that these ignorant german fools pretend to be sensitive to such forms of violence  wheras their country mothers one of the worlds racist and violent group of people [nazi's]

i simply call this hypocrisy, f***ing germans are the last people to be sensitive to crime. we have heard of many brutal crime instances happening in germany and what, we still f***ing go to that country without any f***ing problem and now when its their turn to come to african they go and start doing these things?

i have a feeling germany is trying to subbotage south africa and belive this....sooner than expected another country is going to announce the same so-called precautionary measures and in no time this will be a global thing.

the 2010 loc should draft a slogan saying "if you want to come to sa for the wolrd cup then do it and if you dont f*** you and your motherf***ing mama"




f*** germans
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Mad on October 23, 2009, 11:37:38 PM
f*** germans


Hey Mad, you ever meet a German? What was he/she like? You seem mad... you are right about the Neonazi's in Germany though, they and their mentality are a problem, one that needs fixing, the German government went around and incarcerated 1000's of fascist hooligans with a violent past, before hosting the last World Cup, it doesn't solve the problem, but they have even taken such drastic measures on their own turf to provide a safe environment to host the biggest game in the world. Needless to say I think a lot of countries are a bit shook over the world cup, just type in Johannesburg in youtube and see how many violent reports there are, it's ridiculous!


yes i have actually, a couple of times, i even have a german dude's contact number on my phone, some dude named kien and i also know some german broad too. she attends UOFS, we met sometime back in 2007 when she came for a vist and we met again this year when she touched down the E.C with a couple of students. so the answer is YES

for a second there thought you was a german, f*** it, wouldve said the same thing even if you were german though, these people are nuts
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Mad on October 23, 2009, 11:58:11 PM
No, I'm not German, I am 1/2 Dutch, there is a lot of animosity towards Germans there as well, stemming from WWII, but I don't think it is a great idea to throw all people of a certain nationality or ethnicity in one bucket, I mean look at where all that hatred lead to in Yugoslavia for example, a Bloody Mess! If people don't learn from past mistakes, we will continue to make the same mistakes over and over again, I feel people the world over have more in common, then they do differences, it's just what we choose to focus on that's all.

i understand what u saying man, anyway whats up in yugoslavia? is there some killing spree there?
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Mad on October 24, 2009, 01:57:25 PM
There was a War there 15 years ago, many died, it divided the country. The former Yugoslavia is now split up into Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Slovenia. Read up on it.


wikipedia'd that shit, damn, some pretty ruff stuff happenin over there
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Dpleezy on October 26, 2009, 10:52:50 AM
http://www.hayibo.com/articles/view/1158/German_soccer_team_asked_not_to_invade_Poland,_France.htm (http://www.hayibo.com/articles/view/1158/German_soccer_team_asked_not_to_invade_Poland,_France.htm)
Title: Re: The Germans can go and f*** themselves!!!
Post by: Mad on October 27, 2009, 09:04:08 PM
http://www.hayibo.com/articles/view/1158/German_soccer_team_asked_not_to_invade_Poland,_France.htm (http://www.hayibo.com/articles/view/1158/German_soccer_team_asked_not_to_invade_Poland,_France.htm)

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