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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpIcwctC7nQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpIcwctC7nQ)
i think this was disrespectful im sorry
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disrespectful
And the prize for understatement of the century goes to!!!!!!!!
the guy had a valid argument and he realised that he had no answer to it, so this is the reaction.
Seriously, the guy has become way too big for his shoes. He is one of those people who has become so arrogant because of the position that he was given, that he believes he cannot be touched.
Typical "Big man of Africa-syndrome" as we have seen with so many despots in other countries. And, the thing is, he isn't even in charge yet, he is but a minor blister on the rash that we call government.
The only reason I can think of for him to not be killed, is that he might be considered a martyr, as we are seeing happen now with Eugene among the whites.
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Question:
During press conferences, isnt it traditional that the speaker(dont know what s/he's refer to as), in this case Malema, first speaks once done he gives the media a chance to ask questions?
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f*** It these Brits need to be told!
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Question:
During press conferences, isnt it traditional that the speaker(dont know what s/he's refer to as), in this case Malema, first speaks once done he gives the media a chance to ask questions?
Yes that is the usual procedure. Did the journalist interupt him?
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He was busy responding to a Question and that's when the guy interrupted. I'm not saying the journo wasn't wrong, but I am looking at his reaction.
Do you think that was warranted? Does this not set off warning lights to you? If it doesn't I think you are just as stupid as all his other followers.
He kept talking about rich folk in Sandton. He always talks about the rich folk and how they f*** our people over. What we forget is that he lives in Sandton too, in a house worth millions.
He earns millions from corrupt tender processes and when questioned about this, he either swears at journos, accuses them of sleeping with politicians for stories or threatens to have them arrested. Now he kicks them out of press conferences because they made a statement to which he had no response.
It was a press conference. What is revolutionary about that? He is a f***ing coffee shop revolutionary, who rolls around with bodyguards because he is too scared of the people he pretends to be representing.
If he is one of the poor, why is he rocking what he rocks, rolling in what he does and living whre he does, while acting like the laws don't apply to him?
I think this upsets me most, because that journo could have been me, or any of my colleagues.
For once, this is somethig I don't find funny.
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it couldve been handled better. i think calling him names was direspectful. i am of the opinion that NOT everything should be racialized like he does. yeah so the guy said something while he was speaking, and a proper person wouldve dealt with it better, resorting to name calling and this manner reminded me of Idi Amin (finger waving and wild rhetoric)
anyway i sincerely hope we dont have to be led by this guy because then we will have serious problems very serious ones.
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That jurno...is an arrogant f***! And he needed to be put in his place by a "barbarian" If they can talk shit bout us they should be able to take it.
whats appauling is how the media is presenting the issue...it is delivered to us as tho Julius went on an unprovoked mouth sling!
The bold headed white jurno from e needs to be put in order or else..
"Chief..."
The black people who are buying face at working are making me so mad I am bout to go home right now..
"Julius makes us blacks look stupid to the rest of the world"
"White people won't respect us coz of thing like this"
"He is antagonizing.."
SHUT THE f*** up we keep turning the other cheek and not telling white people that they full of shit when they are ...
know what f*** it...
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After a majority of people saw this video i could see some black people smiling on the low,nodding their heads like that including me.Duke needs to chill out now keep a low profile until next year.
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He was busy responding to a Question and that's when the guy interrupted. I'm not saying the journo wasn't wrong, but I am looking at his reaction.
Do you think that was warranted? Does this not set off warning lights to you? If it doesn't I think you are just as stupid as all his other followers.
He kept talking about rich folk in Sandton. He always talks about the rich folk and how they f*** our people over. What we forget is that he lives in Sandton too, in a house worth millions.
He earns millions from corrupt tender processes and when questioned about this, he either swears at journos, accuses them of sleeping with politicians for stories or threatens to have them arrested. Now he kicks them out of press conferences because they made a statement to which he had no response.
It was a press conference. What is revolutionary about that? He is a f***ing coffee shop revolutionary, who rolls around with bodyguards because he is too scared of the people he pretends to be representing.
If he is one of the poor, why is he rocking what he rocks, rolling in what he does and living whre he does, while acting like the laws don't apply to him?
I think this upsets me most, because that journo could have been me, or any of my colleagues.
For once, this is somethig I don't find funny.
cosign 100 percent. most South Africans are so insulated from the rest of Africa, its history, that they dont realize how dangerous this is. dudes behaving like the textbook example of a despot and we cheer him. wow. a journo friend of mine chalks up the journos mute reaction to him being british and foreign. i really hope shes right. f*** this cat. no one, least of journalists, should step down to him.
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so is the issue about telling WHITE people where to get off rather than addressing the problem of simple tact? and no its not cos the recipient is white. yeah he (journalist) f***ed up and he shouldve been thrown out for all i care but what the way malema handles it perpertuates the WHITE AGENDA he speaks of
cos now the focus is on his outrageous utterances.
personally i wont be checkin for anything to do with him anymore.
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so is the issue about telling WHITE people where to get off rather than addressing the problem of simple tact? and no its not cos the recipient is white. yeah he (journalist) f***ed up and he shouldve been thrown out for all i care but what the way malema handles it perpertuates the WHITE AGENDA he speaks of
cos now the focus is on his outrageous utterances.
personally i wont be checkin for anything to do with him anymore.
Cosigiddy!!
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That jurno...is an arrogant f***! And he needed to be put in his place by a "barbarian" If they can talk shit bout us they should be able to take it.
whats appauling is how the media is presenting the issue...it is delivered to us as tho Julius went on an unprovoked mouth sling!
The bold headed white jurno from e needs to be put in order or else..
"Chief..."
The black people who are buying face at working are making me so mad I am bout to go home right now..
"Julius makes us blacks look stupid to the rest of the world"
"White people won't respect us coz of thing like this"
"He is antagonizing.."
SHUT THE f*** up we keep turning the other cheek and not telling white people that they full of shit when they are ...
know what f*** it...
cosign all of this!
bald headed eTV dude: u mean Ben Sad/Said.
I hate this this motherfukcer
Malema should have chosen different words (not saying the dude doesnt deserve them) so he comes out better than the dude. The journalist interrupted him and that was disrespectful, no one is trying to talk more about the cause of Malema's reaction as expected.
The question from the journalist is a VALID one! and very relevant. The manner in which it was asked shows arragance and disrespect because he is talking to a black leader. these mofos dont have no respect for black leadership even in their own house/home.
f*** out here with his white racist bullshit.
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Can this f***er just die already ? He truly is an embarra**ment to all hard working,young black people in this country. People might think it's funny now, putting people "in their places" bla,bla, let's see how funny it is when this dude gets real power. He'll f*** over everybody. Now he's praising Mugabe's land reform program. I mean really now. This dude is so caught up in past politics and how certain people where heroes of their struggles, he's so not objective about anything. We should stop paying attention to this fool. Better yet the ANC should be pressured into firing him period. You think foreign investors will still wanna do business in this country, when one of it's potential future leaders is a ego-driven babbling fool ? As young people we need to do something before it's too late. For ours and our children's future. We've come too far already to let this prick ruin everything for us.
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White disrespectful journalist who hasnt done fokol for all you and shown his lack of respect for black leadership that has invited him in their own house is being defended by black people who should know better. Havent we learnt? That mofo didnt ask the question because he cares about black people, he asked it because he cares about white people's "Rhodesia".
Malema is for Zanu-PF land reform policies but not the manner in which it was carried out (violence). you all still overlook that.
this is a typical problem with us black people. Whites f*** us up, black man reacts, we defend the white man. e.g Zimbawe's Land issue, Eugene Terre Blanche, BBC journalist... i can go on and on.
WHITE PEOPLE IN GENERAL DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU. WHEN WILL YOU LEARN!
Cant believe yall defending this dude when he actually started this shit. goddamn!!
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White disrespectful journalist who hasnt done fokol for all you and shown his lack of respect for black leadership that has invited him in their own house is being defended by black people who should know better. Havent we learnt? That mofo didnt ask the question because he cares about black people, he asked it because he cares about white people's "Rhodesia".
Malema is for Zanu-PF land reform policies but not the manner in which it was carried out (violence). you all still overlook that.
this is a typical problem with us black people. Whites f*** us up, black man reacts, we defend the white man. e.g Zimbawe's Land issue, Eugene Terre Blanche, BBC journalist... i can go on and on.
WHITE PEOPLE IN GENERAL DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU. WHEN WILL YOU LEARN!
Cant believe yall defending this dude when he actually started this shit. goddamn!!
how do you know, as a fact, what the journalists motives are, and whether or not he disapproves of black leadership? it has never been a journalists job to be respectful towards politicians. imagine what would have happened if Frost did not interrupt Nixon. if every journalist let Bush respectfully finish even if what he said was always bullshit? come on, cat. this is emotive populist bullshit. what part of the journos question was racist, or indicative of all the other things you accuse him of? Malema was detracting from the point and being opportunistic. thats all.
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We don't care about the white journalist. We're talking about Malema here and his reaction, which was way over the top for what the journalist did. Is it the first time in the history of media briefings that a journalist interrupts someone ? NO.
Good leaders do not loose their temper over small shit like that. And why is it a Black/White thing again ? Just cos the journalist is white and Malema is Black we gotta make it a race issue now ? That's the problem with you black people. U care so much about them whereas they don't give two shits about u Julius is an embarra**ment period. Calling dude a bastard and an agent. Shows you he's not smart. He should have just ignored him if he didn't wanna answer. And what was so hard about the question anyway ? Journalist always dig into politicians @ press conferences.And did he say by the way if he only supports the Zimbabwean land reform program on paper and not how it was carried out ? Did he ? It's obvious when u say u support something people will look at it as whole unless you are specific. People will always remember that program for it's brutality. So if you say you are for it, and not condemning how it was carried out, how are we supposed to take it ?
Can't believe your defending this fool. The journalist only said one thing, Malema said 10 stupid things thereafter.
Guess you also got defense for him on
1) ridiculing the MDC for no reason
2) singing stupid rascist songs that are irrelevant
3) building inferior roads then denying it,
4) throwing R400 000 birthday parties and wearing R70 000 watches, then saying how do people know it's not a fong-kong. LOL !!!
6) killing for zuma,
7) buying jub-jub nandos,
8) disrespecting elders in general
9) Starting shit with the PAC for no reason.
WAKE UP.
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White disrespectful journalist who hasnt done fokol for all you and shown his lack of respect for black leadership that has invited him in their own house is being defended by black people who should know better. Havent we learnt? That mofo didnt ask the question because he cares about black people, he asked it because he cares about white people's "Rhodesia".
Malema is for Zanu-PF land reform policies but not the manner in which it was carried out (violence). you all still overlook that.
this is a typical problem with us black people. Whites f*** us up, black man reacts, we defend the white man. e.g Zimbawe's Land issue, Eugene Terre Blanche, BBC journalist... i can go on and on.
WHITE PEOPLE IN GENERAL DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU. WHEN WILL YOU LEARN!
Cant believe yall defending this dude when he actually started this shit. goddamn!!
no one is defending the dude. i doubt ANYONE chastizing Malema is defending the journalist, if your
read clearly you will notice no one is picking a side but the black pride side.
how can you seriously watch that clip and be proud of him as your leader? that you can put him in the
same mould as the Oliver tambo's and Mandela's(say what you want he was a great leader)
not because he is "putting a white man in his place" but because in his doing that he is making
himself look stupid and feeding into the exact thing he is saying the white media is there for
the so called "white agenda"
u look at the clip and you laugh, are u laughing at the fact that he is doing something or the manner
in which he does it? does it make u proud? does it evoke a feeling of safety and the a**urance a
leader is supposed to instill?
come on people,
IT IS NOT ABOUT THE "WHITE MAN" IT IS ABOUT US AND WHAT THIS BUFFOONS ACT IS DOING TO US IN THE
WORLDS EYES, SAY WHAT U FEEL TILL U GO BLUE BUT NO INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY WILL TAKE U SERIOUSLY
WITH A GUY LIKE THAT LEADING YOU.
he has a dodge life and has the audacity to speak like he doesnt?
im very much ashamed and the meer fact that some of you do not see the point is even more
frightening
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You think foreign investors will still wanna do business in this country
We don't care about the white journalist. We're talking about Malema here and his reaction, which was way over the top for what the journalist did. Is it the first time in the history of media briefings that a journalist interrupts someone ? NO.
these two matters are not unrelated.. that we've been pandering to the whims of international [read: white] capital in the post liberation era without any tangible results has irked very many within the alliance.. the trickle down economics bandied about by those involved in the 1996 cla** project have not had a material effect on the lives of our people & malema's outbursts ought be understood in that context.. we swallowed the prescripts of the washington consensus whole all the while currying favour with the international media & capital.. so the world cup was awarded to SA.. another excuse to divert government expenditure from those that go to bed with nothing but want in their stomachs & appease the international community.. the truth is that all this posturing hasn't changed perceptions of africans.. malema's response though inappropriate was him telling the british media that so vilified JZ on his trip to the UK that we will no longer be prescribed to by colonisers & imperialists.. though we are willing to listen to bob across the pond..
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You think foreign investors will still wanna do business in this country
We don't care about the white journalist. We're talking about Malema here and his reaction, which was way over the top for what the journalist did. Is it the first time in the history of media briefings that a journalist interrupts someone ? NO.
these two matters are not unrelated.. that we've been pandering to the whims of international [read: white] capital in the post liberation era without any tangible results has irked very many within the alliance.. the trickle down economics bandied about by those involved in the 1996 cla** project have not had a material effect on the lives of our people & malema's outbursts ought be understood in that context.. we swallowed the prescripts of the washington consensus whole all the while currying favour with the international media & capital.. so the world cup was awarded to SA.. another excuse to divert government expenditure from those that go to bed with nothing but want in their stomachs & appease the international community.. the truth is that all this posturing hasn't changed perceptions of africans.. malema's response though inappropriate was him telling the british media that so vilified JZ on his trip to the UK that we will no longer be prescribed to by colonisers & imperialists.. though we are willing to listen to bob across the pond..
the more articulate puts it out better than i can. thanks
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You think foreign investors will still wanna do business in this country
We don't care about the white journalist. We're talking about Malema here and his reaction, which was way over the top for what the journalist did. Is it the first time in the history of media briefings that a journalist interrupts someone ? NO.
these two matters are not unrelated.. that we've been pandering to the whims of international [read: white] capital in the post liberation era without any tangible results has irked very many within the alliance.. the trickle down economics bandied about by those involved in the 1996 cla** project have not had a material effect on the lives of our people & malema's outbursts ought be understood in that context.. we swallowed the prescripts of the washington consensus whole all the while currying favour with the international media & capital.. so the world cup was awarded to SA.. another excuse to divert government expenditure from those that go to bed with nothing but want in their stomachs & appease the international community.. the truth is that all this posturing hasn't changed perceptions of africans.. malema's response though inappropriate was him telling the british media that so vilified JZ on his trip to the UK that we will no longer be prescribed to by colonisers & imperialists.. though we are willing to listen to bob across the pond..
the more articulate puts it out better than i can. thanks
misfiring and still missing the the point
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afterbirth, how do you know those were Malemas motives? because it was a British journalist that interrupted him? the cat has treated black South African journalists the same way. and is he apart from the kind of corrupt and ineffectual government you describe? the mans actions definitely speak against that idea.
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and by the way, i'm not all for Malema. I don't trust him as a person and therefore dont entirely believe in him. but i have learnt to understand that he is good for something. he helped take out my favorite african leaders alive so i have all the reason to hate him but I will not be blind not to recognise that he is good for something. that something which are need to learn to do but in most cases are not in a position to do(or else we lose our jobs). That is, not to be apologetic on our way to get whats due to us as black people.
I thought Malema was your man MrC? the man who helped JZ (the leader you love) get up there. rhetorical question coz i can see you are against him now. but anyway, point is im not totally for Malema.
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afterbirth, how do you know those were Malemas motives? because it was a British journalist that interrupted him? the cat has treated black South African journalists the same way. and is he apart from the kind of corrupt and ineffectual government you describe? the mans actions definitely speak against that idea.
they behave the same as the BBC journalist too. flippin sellouts if you ask me.
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and by the way, i'm not all for Malema. I don't trust him as a person and therefore dont entirely believe in him. but i have learnt to understand that he is good for something. he helped take out my favorite african leaders alive so i have all the reason to hate him but I will not be blind not to recognise that he is good for something. that something which are need to learn to do but in most cases are not in a position to do(or else we lose our jobs). That is, not to be apologetic on our way to get whats due to us as black people.
I thought Malema was your man MrC? the man who helped JZ (the leader you love) get up there. rhetorical question coz i can see you are against him now. but anyway, point is im not totally for Malema.
RR, please, tell me what you think hes good for other than showing you that you can own your balls (and i use that as a metaphor not as an insult to you before u think i insulted u), and do so by outrageous rhetoric?
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@ Afterbirth
So we should just say f*** the international community and go @ it alone huh ? wow. that's your solution ? in this day in age right ? what ? should we just focus on doing business with just the rest of our black brothers around the world and become a POWEHOUSE like that right ? this is not the 1800's my friend. We all know what the world has become. The powers that be are THERE and they run shit and unfortunately aint much we can do about it. If it aint the "white capitalists" then it's the Chinese, who also got their own agenda. That's life.
And now all this frustration, we take it out on one White Journalist who just said he lives in Sandton right ? Why doesn't Malema question his own PARTY which is more responsible for the economic situation this country finds itself in more than anything else. It's his parties policies and lack of implementation that's got us here. don't pa** the buck.
@RR
Im not a blind loyalist. If people are f***ing up, im not gonna just sit back and support them just for the f*** of it. Malema has f***ed up a bit too many times for my liking.
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@Pyro and Panic
I do agree with you on the potential danger of having Malema lead the country. I do hope that it never gets to that.
But still people, we questioning his expensive lifestyle. what kind of lifestyle do white politians have? what houses do DA politicians live in, how come they are never investigated and questioned?
Yes, I do suspect corruption, chances are he is but let us not forget who look at how bias the media is about it and how they pushing to make black leadership look negetive at all costs.
somebody please name a black president thats viewed with a positive light by the world media. name one please.
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@RR
Im not a blind loyalist. If people are f***ing up, im not gonna just sit back and support them just for the f*** of it. Malema has f***ed up a bit too many times for my liking.
understood
RR, please, tell me what you think hes good for other than showing you that you can own your balls (and i use that as a metaphor not as an insult to you before u think i insulted u), and do so by outrageous rhetoric?
good. otherwise, I touch you in your studio.
be back
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afterbirth, how do you know those were Malemas motives? because it was a British journalist that interrupted him?
can't say i know his motives.. but from his tirade about this not being an american press room where journalists run amok, but it rather being a building housing a revolutionary party.. figured he was alluding to the type of news generated on JZ's trip..
the cat has treated black South African journalists the same way. and is he apart from the kind of corrupt and ineffectual government you describe? the mans actions definitely speak against that idea.
am in agreement with him on the paucity of south african journalism. said on numerous occasions that south african journalists aren't too conversant in the news they report on.. wholly lacking in context to say nothing of substance.. yearn for an instance where politics matters would be reported on by those with a thorough understanding of politics, economics similarly and so forth.. that these lapdogs have been given a platform from which to rant & seem to think us oblivious to their shortcomings seriously irks me..
the JZ government's attempt to reorientate the trajectory of south african society is only an afterthought to sound bites from juju & his ilk.. no mention is made of the fact that at least 5% of PIC funds are to be used to fund developmental programmes.. south africa's industrial policy's being rewritten.. the SARB's mandate broadened to include growth considerations..
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It seems you are missing the point here.
It's not a black white issue, cos as C said and I have mentioned, this f***tard has treated black journos in the same way before. He is an arrogant f*** and he thinks he is above the law and doesn't have to answer to anything.
If you say he is good for arguing against the neo-liberal policies of post-apartheid SA, then how do you explain his partaking in those same policies?
How do you expalin all the shit C mentioned? Also, where did you hear that he is against the way the Zim land grabs were executed but for the idea of it?
We have a video here of him saying that we should "take land militantly". What does that mean?
He is for grabbing land in the same way Zim did and havin us crawling into neighbouing countries just like the Zimbos are. Or is that cool, because then at least we will be suffering under blacks and have black farm owners that makes us starve?
You are a bunch of idiots. This is why white people look at us as fools and idiots. Because we try to justify every f*** up by pulling the race card, instead fo standing up against black leaders who are doing things that are bad for our own people.
This is why Africa will remain the dark continent. Because we are all too happy with supporting people who can impress us with their funny speeches and rethoric and look past the fact that we are starving and being destroyed by their actions.
Sorry, I edited my post because I realised that first part made me seem like a real Julius.
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@ Afterbirth
So we should just say f*** the international community and go @ it alone huh ? wow. that's your solution ? in this day in age right ? what ? should we just focus on doing business with just the rest of our black brothers around the world and become a POWEHOUSE like that right ? this is not the 1800's my friend. We all know what the world has become. The powers that be are THERE and they run shit and unfortunately aint much we can do about it. If it aint the "white capitalists" then it's the Chinese, who also got their own agenda. That's life.
MrC your sarcasm is duly noted..
though methinks it's naive to think that julius has any impact on south africa's economic fortunes.. having done my stint working in the financial markets it's evident to me that those looking for the bottom line see him to be a buffoon.. even after his most inflammatory statements, portfolio flows, that look at flows of hot money [ie. gauge investor sentiment in the markets] haven't markedly changed.. even during our darkest hours.. JZ rape.. corruption trial.. elevation to president nothing changed.. it's the DA & their ilk that harp on about international investors to mask their true intentions of maintaining white privilege & scuppering the transformation of our society..
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RR, if I had any respect for you, I would have lost all of it now.
It seems you are missing the point here.
It's not a black white issue, cos as C said and I have mentioned, this f***tard has treated black journos in the same way before. He is an arrogant f*** and he thinks he is above the law and doesn't have to answer to anything.
If you say he is good for arguing against the neo-liberal policies of post-apartheid SA, then how do you explain his partaking in those same policies?
How do you expalin all the shit C mentioned? Also, where did you hear that he is against the way the Zim land grabs were executed but for the idea of it?
We have a video here of him saying that we should "take land militantly". What does that mean?
He is for grabbing land in the same way Zim did and havin us crawling into neighbouing countries just like the Zimbos are. Or is that cool, because then at least we will be suffering under blacks and have black farm owners that makes us starve?
You are a bunch of idiots. This is why white people look at us as fools and idiots. Because we try to justify every f*** up by pulling the race card, instead fo standing up against black leaders who are doing things that are bad for our own people.
This is why Africa will remain the dark continent. Because we are all too happy with supporting people who can impress us with their funny speeches and rethoric and look past the fact that we are starving and being destroyed by their actions.
Funny enough, I have always and still do have respect for you though we are disagreeing right now. but anyway.
It is a black and white thing as I've been stressing it all along.
Julius is not why white people look at us as idiots. it that we are still monkeys to them that they view us as idiots and don't deserve the same freedoms as them and therefore we cannot lead ourselves. how about you critisize Helen Zuzman for pushing for sanctions in Zim but against sanctions for the apartheid gorvenment. this is a black and white thing.
About the land issue, I heard Julius say it on TV as I have put it. I heard how he suggest it should be done on the Debra interview as well.
"Or is that cool, because then at least we will be suffering under blacks and have black farm owners that makes us starve?"
an idiot is the one who implies we(black) are failures before we even start. what are negetive statement! insult.
Africa is a dark continent because of the European agenda more than anything else. SUCH NEGATIVE VIEWS ABOUT AFRICANS ARE NOTHING BUT SHAMEFUL AND SADENING.
With that, we still don't understand when these kinds of outbursts occur.
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@ Afterbirth
So we should just say f*** the international community and go @ it alone huh ? wow. that's your solution ? in this day in age right ? what ? should we just focus on doing business with just the rest of our black brothers around the world and become a POWEHOUSE like that right ? this is not the 1800's my friend. We all know what the world has become. The powers that be are THERE and they run shit and unfortunately aint much we can do about it. If it aint the "white capitalists" then it's the Chinese, who also got their own agenda. That's life.
MrC your sarcasm is duly noted..
though methinks it's naive to think that julius has any impact on south africa's economic fortunes.. having done my stint working in the financial markets it's evident to me that those looking for the bottom line see him to be a buffoon.. even after his most inflammatory statements, portfolio flows, that look at flows of hot money [ie. gauge investor sentiment in the markets] haven't markedly changed.. even during our darkest hours.. JZ rape.. corruption trial.. elevation to president nothing changed.. it's the DA & their ilk that harp on about international investors to mask their true intentions of maintaining white privilege & scuppering the transformation of our society..
sure he doesn't have an effect on current investors, cos as you've so appropriately put it, they "see him to be a buffon", but im sure he's rattled the confidence of future investors looking for long term opportunities in our beloved country. You think Wal-Mart would come here, spend $10 billion for the next 10 years opening up 100 branches all over Mzansi, with the possibility of Malema being cabinet minister in the near future and pushing for the nationalisation of the retail sector ? LOL !!! --- > wouldn't put that one past him actually.
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an idiot is the one who implies we(black) are failures before we even start. what are negetive statement! insult.
Africa is a dark continent because of the European agenda more than anything else. SUCH NEGATIVE VIEWS ABOUT AFRICANS ARE NOTHING BUT SHAMEFUL AND SADENING.
With that, we still don't understand when these kinds of outbursts occur.
I am not talking about it before it has occured.
We saw it occur in Zim. If we allow Julius to carry on as he is, we will see what occured in Rwanda here as well. Go look how it started there.
We will see how effective white farmers are run off their land in favour of cronies with no agricultural experience or knowledge get handed these farms as status symbols, which will lay baren within months and only these same rich cronies will be eating, because they will be the only ones who can afford to import food and go on overseas shopping trips.
Haven't we seen this before?
I am all for land reform. I have always been, but I have also always been against the way our "leaders" sold us out all those years ago and now act as if it is the white man's fault for the situation we are in, when they are equally culpable.
They live in their fancy houses in Sandton and try to convince you that joining and supporting the ANC can also bring you such riches. Seriously?
Then they go around criticising all their neighbours and we lap it up.
I would like to think we are smarter than that.
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Guess you also got defense for him on
1) ridiculing the MDC for no reason
2) singing stupid rascist songs that are irrelevant
3) building inferior roads then denying it,
4) throwing R400 000 birthday parties and wearing R70 000 watches, then saying how do people know it's not a fong-kong. LOL !!!
6) killing for zuma,
7) buying jub-jub nandos,
8) disrespecting elders in general
9) Starting shit with the PAC for no reason.
WAKE UP.
To answer Pyro, I dont have defence for him on most of these which is why i also have fears on running for president.
"2) singing stupid rascist songs that are irrelevant"
stupid? not. racist? not. irresponsible? YES
"6) killing for zuma,"
Irrensponsible
"7) buying jub-jub nandos,"
no one knows why he went there. nothing wrong with buying him nandos, he obvious feels said for him and they might know each other.
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On the topic of the relevence of him singing his little dities, I do agree that it is part of our heritage. I also think that certain parts of our heritage should be left in the past. We can write it in our history books if we really want to preserve them, because a lot of our heritage comes with too many negative connotations.
How would you feel if the Afrikaners sing their Old Transvaallied at gatherings where the media is present?
It contains lines about protecting their wives and children form the "savage kaffirs".
This is part of their heritage. Do we need it in our society?
Let's start thinking and stop applying one set of rules to whites and another set to our incompetent leaders.
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an idiot is the one who implies we(black) are failures before we even start. what are negetive statement! insult.
Africa is a dark continent because of the European agenda more than anything else. SUCH NEGATIVE VIEWS ABOUT AFRICANS ARE NOTHING BUT SHAMEFUL AND SADENING.
With that, we still don't understand when these kinds of outbursts occur.
I am not talking about it before it has occured.
We saw it occur in Zim. If we allow Julius to carry on as he is, we will see what occured in Rwanda here as well. Go look how it started there.
We will see how effective white farmers are run off their land in favour of cronies with no agricultural experience or knowledge get handed these farms as status symbols, which will lay baren within months and only these same rich cronies will be eating, because they will be the only ones who can afford to import food and go on overseas shopping trips.
Haven't we seen this before?
I am all for land reform. I have always been, but I have also always been against the way our "leaders" sold us out all those years ago and now act as if it is the white man's fault for the situation we are in, when they are equally culpable.
They live in their fancy houses in Sandton and try to convince you that joining and supporting the ANC can also bring you such riches. Seriously?
Then they go around criticising all their neighbours and we lap it up.
I would like to think we are smarter than that.
the land was meant to be bought from the farmers through an agreement Zim made with the UK, the UK commited to contribute 20million(Zim or pounds i dont know)
UK's money wasnt comming through, Zim gorvement went back and forth with this with the UK.
Magareth Thatcher came to gorvement i think and they said they have no special responsility towards Zimbabwe. basically they changed their mind on the deal.
Zim could not afford to buy all the land i think. IMF was telling zim to chance from putting money into social responsibilities, only if they do that will the IMF(world bank or whoever they are) lend them money. Thats where this whole shit came from but the media makes it look like Mugabe just woke up and demanded land.
The world media and selllout south african black journalist paint a whole different picture about the land issue in Zim.
AGAIN, EUROPEAN AGENDA.
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An email currently doing its rounds. Just one of THOUSANDS of this kind...
A sobering thought
RSA Income Tax Explained
OK, I have decided to put a South African spin to an old story so Blacks can
understand what happens to taxes, tax cuts and what happens when Whites
leave.
Suppose there are ten men who go to dinner every night. Six of them are
Black, one Coloured, one Indian and two Whites. The one White guy is
middlecla** and the other is rich. If they paid their bill the way we pay
our taxes, it would go something like this:
The bill comes to R1000, but four Blacks pay nothing, they eat for free
every night. Two Blacks pay a share of R20 and R30 each. The Coloured guy
pays R100, the Indian pays R150, the middle cla** White guy pays R200 and
the rich White guy pays R500.
Everything went well. The ten men ate happily every night until one day the
restaurant owner said that they were such good customers he was going to
give them a break so he reduced the bill by R200. (In tax language a tax
cut).
So the first four Black guys were basically unaffected by this and still ate
for free, but the six others started thinking about how they would split the
R200 cut in the Bill so everyone would get his fair share.
R200 divided by six would mean R33.33 each. But if they subtracted that from
everybody's share, then the two paying Blacks would end up being PAID to eat
their meal. So the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to
reduce each man's bill by roughly the same proportional amount, and he
proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
So the first paying Black guy that night only had to pay R16, the second
paying Black guy only paid R24, the coloured guy paid R80, the Indian guy
R120, the middlecla** White guy paid R160 and the rich White guy paid R400
instead of his usual R500. Each of the original six paying ones were better
off than before. The first four Black guys still got their meal for free.
But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. The
first paying black said he only got R4 from the R200. The second Black guy
said he only saved R6. The Coloured and the Indian guys were a bit grumpy
that they only got R20 and R30 off their usual bill, but otherwise they were
happy that they paid less that night.
Wait a minute, yelled the first four Black men in unison, We didn't get
anything at all. The system exploits the poor!?
The Blacks looked at the middle cla** White guy who got R40 from the R200
discount and the rich White guy who got a wopping R100 and they became
bitter about it. So the six Blacks surrounded the two White guys, beat them
up and stole what they had on them.
The next night the men met again for dinner, but noticeably absent were the
two White men who decided to go to another restaurant and not eat with them
anymore. At first nobody missed the two White guys and they all sat down and
ate without them, but then the bill came and to their horror they discovered
that they were now R560 short of paying their bill. Imagine that!
And that, dear fellows, is how it works when you tax White people to death,
beat them up and steal from them. They will just not show up at the table
anymore and will just decide to go have dinner somewhere else, which means
that you will be on your own and will have to pay all the bills yourself and
there will be no more free lunches, you will catch rats and scratch in
dustbins just like in Zimbabwe after the Whites have left.
So...it has nothing to do with race?? What stupidity. This is South Africa, EVERYTHING has to do with race. How can the inhabitants of this land NOT be racially charged given the history of injustice and atroceties that have occured in the past?
The above is an email that i recieved, not surprisingly from a white collegue who probably expected me to smile and nod in agreement upon reading this load of drivel. "Oh, he is an educated black, and he speaks well so he understands that the rest of these monkeys cant survive or take care of themselves without us white people to save them from themselves".
You are a FOOL if you dont believe that this email reflects the sentiment of most, if not ALL white South Africans who are PRIVELEDGED enough to live in this country.
They honestly believe that we are incapable of taking care of our own, despite the fact that buffons like Malema are running amock on international television scaring 'potential investors' from coming into the country.
I am no Malema supporter. I actually think that he is a dick. And the only thing that he is good for, like AA suggests, is the fact that he can stand up to the white international community, and say whatever the f*** he wants. Whether it makes any sense at all or not. And that is something that i can respect him for.
For too long, black leadership has been at the mercy of the white international community. And just looking at history, ALL of our vocal african leaders who have seen through the cloak and daggers bullshit, and have risen to challenge the oppressors have either been killed, silenced, arrested or made to look demented or incapable of doing anything at all.
Personally, i say f*** white people, and f*** the west. Thats what china said, and they are now the worlds number one economy. And guess what?? They did it WITHOUT the whites, and without the west. And the west had no excuse to run up on the chinese and start a war on some who has got the biggest dick shit, because they know, that right now, as i type this, China has a gps guided missile aim directly and president Obamas left testical, and knowing the chinese, that shit is about as accurate as 0.000001 to the meter.
I divert. f*** the white people of SA, and the next country. We needs to f*** with the emerging world. The east. They can all take their shit, and f*** off to Australia.
Malema is a dick.
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We know all about the Lancaster house agreement.
We all know that the Brist f***ed them over.
We also know about the misery the Zim government's actions have caused though.
So, would we rather have a steady supply of food and a stable economy with a future for the country or do we want black owned farms (mind you, it will be the same black people who have been benefiting from our "freedom till now) where nothing is grown and the poorest of the poor suffer even more than they do now?
Give me a straight, honest answer, with no quotes from any leaders, cos our leaders are all pieces of shit, in it only for themselves, or references to any agreements. Just choose one of the two.
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Personally, i say f*** white people, and f*** the west. Thats what china said, and they are now the worlds number one economy. And guess what?? They did it WITHOUT the whites, and without the west. And the west had no excuse to run up on the chinese and start a war on some who has got the biggest dick shit, because they know, that right now, as i type this, China has a gps guided missile aim directly and president Obamas left testical, and knowing the chinese, that shit is about as accurate as 0.000001 to the meter.
I divert. f*** the white people of SA, and the next country. We needs to f*** with the emerging world. The east. They can all take their shit, and f*** off to Australia.
Malema is a dick.
I'm not gonna say anything about the rest of your post, because that e-mail is f***ed up and you should have bitch slapped your colleague. I'm sure your boss would understand if you show him the message.
On the quoted part, all I can say is that you have no cluewhat you are talking about.
Go read up on how China became such a powerhouse. If you think it has nothing to do with the West, you are deluded.
There is no country or state or even person who can exist without trading with the rest of the world.
Check where your clothes are from. Even if they were made here, check where the material, dyes etc. came from.
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We know all about the Lancaster house agreement.
We all know that the Brist f***ed them over.
We also know about the misery the Zim government's actions have caused though.
So, would we rather have a steady supply of food and a stable economy with a future for the country or do we want black owned farms (mind you, it will be the same black people who have been benefiting from our "freedom till now) where nothing is grown and the poorest of the poor suffer even more than they do now?
Give me a straight, honest answer, with no quotes from any leaders, cos our leaders are all pieces of shit, in it only for themselves, or references to any agreements. Just choose one of the two.
I would rather have an African country that doesn't depend on the Brits to survive. Zimbabwe is where it is because of sanction put up the British so they don't prosper without them. White people are bullies and they would much rather watch Zimbambe suffer then to help them without anything to gain.
I think what Juju did is bullshit and quite frankly I hate the man.
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We know all about the Lancaster house agreement.
We all know that the Brist f***ed them over.
We also know about the misery the Zim government's actions have caused though.
So, would we rather have a steady supply of food and a stable economy with a future for the country or do we want black owned farms (mind you, it will be the same black people who have been benefiting from our "freedom till now) where nothing is grown and the poorest of the poor suffer even more than they do now?
Give me a straight, honest answer, with no quotes from any leaders, cos our leaders are all pieces of shit, in it only for themselves, or references to any agreements. Just choose one of the two.
What the Britts wanted was for Zimbabwe to continue living on their hand outs. Zimbabwe on the other hand, took the situation into their own hands without having thought things through soberly, and without a feasably executable plan, and they went and f***ed things up.
Like Panic said, if niggers werent so bent on self enrichment, we would come up with the most amicable means to resolve land issues with the white counterparts, and come up with strategies and workshops on how to make black farmers self sufficient.
That would be difficult though, as so many of us are stilled ruled mentally by decades of conditioning by white people that have resulted in us hating each other, and antagonizing each others success. They created a mindset so that we cannot live in harmony with one another. So that we would constantly look to them for guidance, food and shelter. And although the physical restraints they had in place have fallen away, we still think the way we were taught to.
I know this may be extreme, but i would rather see this country go up in flames, and me along with it, than to see it go back into the hands of a white man/woman. We have shed SO much blood just to go back to where we started.
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We know all about the Lancaster house agreement.
We all know that the Brist f***ed them over.
We also know about the misery the Zim government's actions have caused though.
So, would we rather have a steady supply of food and a stable economy with a future for the country or do we want black owned farms (mind you, it will be the same black people who have been benefiting from our "freedom till now) where nothing is grown and the poorest of the poor suffer even more than they do now?
Give me a straight, honest answer, with no quotes from any leaders, cos our leaders are all pieces of shit, in it only for themselves, or references to any agreements. Just choose one of the two.
The fact that you call it by name "Lancaster house agreement" means you know the story better than I do but with realizing that I am shocked that you've said all of what you've said like Mugabe just took the land just as you imply ANCYL is planning to do with no progressive handover that will help keep the farms producing as they currently do. Stupid black people what can we do with them.
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We know all about the Lancaster house agreement.
We all know that the Brist f***ed them over.
We also know about the misery the Zim government's actions have caused though.
So, would we rather have a steady supply of food and a stable economy with a future for the country or do we want black owned farms (mind you, it will be the same black people who have been benefiting from our "freedom till now) where nothing is grown and the poorest of the poor suffer even more than they do now?
Give me a straight, honest answer, with no quotes from any leaders, cos our leaders are all pieces of shit, in it only for themselves, or references to any agreements. Just choose one of the two.
What the Britts wanted was for Zimbabwe to continue living on their hand outs. Zimbabwe on the other hand, took the situation into their own hands without having thought things through soberly, and without a feasably executable plan, and they went and f***ed things up.
Like Panic said, if niggers werent so bent on self enrichment, we would come up with the most amicable means to resolve land issues with the white counterparts, and come up with strategies and workshops on how to make black farmers self sufficient.
That would be difficult though, as so many of us are stilled ruled mentally by decades of conditioning by white people that have resulted in us hating each other, and antagonizing each others success. They created a mindset so that we cannot live in harmony with one another. So that we would constantly look to them for guidance, food and shelter. And although the physical restraints they had in place have fallen away, we still think the way we were taught to.
I know this may be extreme, but i would rather see this country go up in flames, and me along with it, than to see it go back into the hands of a white man/woman. We have shed SO much blood just to go back to where we started.
What he said
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ANC YOUTH LEAGUE PRESIDENT STATEMENT ON THE BBC JOURNALIST INCIDENT AT
THE PRESS CONFERENCE:
08 April 2010
Today, the 8th of April 2010, we instructed a Journalist to be removed
from ANC Youth League Press Conference for interjecting whilst we were
addressing the Press conference. At the beginning of the Press
Conference, ANC Youth League Spokesperson indicated that Journalists
who were at the Press Conference will ask questions and we will
respond as leadership of the ANC Youth League after questions have
been posed. The Spokesperson even emphasised when he was taking the
first round of questions that another round of questions from all
Journalists present will be taken.
In the process answering to questions, a white guy, whom we later
discovered is a reporter from the British Broadcasting Corporation
(BBC) interjected when we were expressing the disgust over the fact
that the MDC is throwing insults at the ANC Youth League leadership
from air-conditioned offices in Sandton, whilst the ma**es are on the
ground in Zimbabwe. He, in a very scornful way responded saying that
“but you stay in Sandton”. We responded by saying that he should
respect the reality that we were at the Head Office of the ANC, not
Newsroom, where he can speak as he wishes.
In the process of clarifying such a reality, the Journalist said we
are speaking nonsense and rubbish repeatedly, and we then got agitated
to say all the things we have said about the Journalist, including
that he is an “agent”, but emphasising that he should leave the Press
Conference. In the subsequent intervention, we highlighted to all
Journalists present that we are not undermining press freedom, but
expressed disgust over the fact that the Journalist disrespected our
proceedings.
We are not remorseful on our stance and will never be remorseful about
disrespectful Journalists; particularly from countries whose media
always undermine the credibility and integrity of African leaders. Our
doors are however open for engagement with the Journalist if he
intends to render an apology and we will from there decide what will
happen. We will forever remain as defenders of free speech and media
freedom, but these should be expressed within certain confines, such
as respecting our space.
We are disturbed on how most media houses have portrayed a distorted
picture on what exactly happened. They presented a picture that we
just responded to the Journalists without provocation and that is
mischievous. We respect the rights of Journalists to openly engage on
whatever issue they want deem suitable, but they should not be
disrespectful.
Issued by ANC Youth League President Julius Malema
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see, the problem here is that all of you are still thinking in terms of black and white, instead of simply what is best for us and our future kids.
I have had plenty of arguments with people who think like this, so I will step back and let it be. There is no arguing with this kind of reasoning and I'm eventually gonna be called a coconut or a wannabe white.
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see, the problem here is that all of you are still thinking in terms of black and white, instead of simply what is best for us and our future kids.
I have had plenty of arguments with people who think like this, so I will step back and let it be. There is no arguing with this kind of reasoning and I'm eventually gonna be called a coconut or a wannabe white.
On such sensitive issues people tend to agree to disagree. You are however fully within right to have your own personal view on the matter and more importantly, to express and share it.
That is called debating. And it is the 2nd step, after identifying a common problem, to achieving a potential solution. It only becomes a problem when personal views are being imposed on the next person, even if its only on a public bored, and nobody is doing that.
So dont withdraw. Continue to post your views, and lets debate this issue like civilized human beings with common logic. I truelly believe it is more important than ever to understand each other now. Unlike post 94 when we were forced to sweep everything under the rug, and issues were never debated on a public platform.
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see, the problem here is that all of you are still thinking in terms of black and white, instead of simply what is best for us and our future kids.
I have had plenty of arguments with people who think like this, so I will step back and let it be. There is no arguing with this kind of reasoning and I'm eventually gonna be called a coconut or a wannabe white.
This is what this whole issue is about plus the rest of what has to do with what we spoke about. its black and white. that the situation. we don't choose to see it that way, that how it is. if we don't we live like it isn't then we will always be victims just like didn't realize that missionaries' mission wasn't about the bible as christians know it but about deceit. The real problem is you talking about this race issue and colonialism like its a thing of the past.
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Johannesburg - The ANC "strongly condemned" its youth league president Julius Malema's treatment of a BBC journalist, a spokesperson said on Friday.
"The aggressive and insultive (sic) behaviour to the said journalist that culminated with Mr Fisher walking out of the Youth League press briefing cannot be condoned at all," said spokesperson Jackson Mthembu.
The ruling party issued a strongly-worded response to the incident at an ANCYL media briefing on Thursday.
Reflected negatively on ANC
"The unfortunate outburst by Comrade Julius Malema did not only reflect negatively on him, but also reflected negatively on the ANC YL, the entire ANC family, our alliance partners as well as South Africa in the eyes of the international community."
Malema called BBC journalist, Jonah Fisher, a "bastard" and an "agent" before booting him out of the media briefing.
This was after Fisher had quipped that Malema lived in Sandton while the youth league president chastised Zimbabwean political party, the Movement for Democratic Change, for operating out of offices in Johannesburg's upmarket Sandton.
"The behaviour in question, by the ANCYL president is not in keeping with the culture and traditions as well as conduct of a cadre and leader of the ANC.
"No amount of alleged provocation that was directed to Comrade Julius Malema could justify such a response.
Leadership
"We are of a firm view that this matter could have been handled differently.
"The leadership abilities and qualities of the position that Comrade Julius Malema holds, should have prepared him to deal with the issue in a manner that demonstrated leadership," Mthembu said.
He also condemned "whatever provocation" had emanated from the said journalist "as it might have been seen as an attempt to undermine and mock the leadership of the ANCYL".
Mthembu also said the party would "immediately" arrange a meeting with the ANC YL to discuss the youth leader's behaviour at the conference, land issues, a call made by party officials for all ANC members to stop singing struggle songs "that might be interpreted as contributing to racial polarisation".
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ohannesburg - The ANC Youth League's expression of support for Zanu-PF undermines South Africa's mediation efforts in Zimbabwe, the ANC said on Friday.
The party is seeking an "urgent meeting" with its youth movement to discuss the matter.
"The ANC would also like to strongly disagree and distance itself from utterances by the ANCYL at their press conference yesterday (Thursday) that they will support President Robert Mugabe and his Zanu-PF to win the forthcoming general elections in Zimbabwe," ANC spokesperson Jackson Mthembu said.
Mediation
"The ANC together with its government would like to see all political parties in Zimbabwe (the two MDC's and Zanu-PF) implementing the spirit and the letter of the global political agreement.
"It is therefore our view that the ANCYL's expression of support for one party in Zimbabwe goes against our country and President (Jacob) Zuma's mediation efforts in that country."
Youth league leader Julius Malema on Thursday held a media briefing following his recent visit to Zimbabwe - where he met Mugabe, Reserve Bank governor Gideon Gono and the leadership of Zanu-PF and its youth movement.
Malema described the visit as successful and hailed Zimbabwe's controversial land reform programme. He also expressed the ANCYL's wish to see Mugabe's Zanu-PF returned to power after elections in Zimbabwe.
Terre'Blanche comments on agenda
Mthembu said at the proposed meeting the party would also raise the matter of singing struggle songs and Malema's comments on slain AWB leader Eugene Terre'Blanche.
"In this envisaged urgent meeting, the ANC will also sharply raise with the ANCYL their utterances in matters relating to the death of Mr Eugene Terre'Blanche."
During the briefing, Malema dismissed claims that Terre'Blanche's death was linked to his singing the song with the words "shoot the boer".
"It's not about the song... they (the murder accused) wanted what rightfully belongs to them - salary," Malema said.
"This man (Terre'Blanche) has been a distaste to the people he lived with, including the animals... the horse itself would not tolerate him."
He said he understood the pain Terre'Blanche's family was experiencing and that they were looking for a "scapegoat".
Treatment of journalist
Mthembu also took issue with Malema's treatment of a journalist during the briefing and also lashed out at AWB secretary general Andre Visagie who allegedly threatened a political commentator at the eNews broadcasting studios.
"This action by Mr Visagie equally does not augur well for the freedom of expression, as enshrined in our Constitution.
"What is even more glaring on this matter is that Mr Visagie threatened a woman political commentator with the intention to harm during a live TV broadcast."
The political commentator, Lebohang Pheko, reportedly intends to file charges of intimidation with the police.
Visagie became agitated when Pheko confronted him with the abuse of farm workers, reports said.
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so even the ANC agrees. the simple truth is Malema didnt handle it in a manner a repsectable leader should. and that you can take to the bank.
race, the white man, the economy can then be discussed.
as a seperate issue
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weve gone slightly off topic, but i think part of Pyros beef is with the unwillingness people seem to have when it comes to acknowledging that black leaders, through selfserving corruption, can also be responsible when it comes to the suffering of poor black communities. im with him on that. . .Malema is no Biko or Sobukwe. hes very much part of the enemy he claims to be fighting on behalf of the ma**es. the whole race shit in this country stays in focus because of its impossibly glaring economic disparities. as much as its about black and white its also about having and not having, being rich and being poor.
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so even the ANC agrees. the simple truth is Malema didnt handle it in a manner a repsectable leader should. and that you can take to the bank.
race, the white man, the economy can then be discussed.
as a seperate issue
I agree.
but again the focus is one sided. what is the ANC saying about the journalists conduct? nothing. smh. this is so one sided to please the europeans.
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having said that (again, off topic) we cant ignore the structural racism palpable in the private sector, and we cant rely, solely, on the government to do something for our fellow woman/man/child.
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so even the ANC agrees. the simple truth is Malema didnt handle it in a manner a repsectable leader should. and that you can take to the bank.
race, the white man, the economy can then be discussed.
as a seperate issue
I agree.
but again the focus is one sided. what is the ANC saying about the journalists conduct? nothing. smh. this is so one sided to please the europeans.
RR journalists the world over do this. this is not something Malema is not used to. u think these are bad u should see the british journalists they are worse.
clearly the ANC feel what he did didnt warrant that type of response from malema
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so even the ANC agrees. the simple truth is Malema didnt handle it in a manner a repsectable leader should. and that you can take to the bank.
race, the white man, the economy can then be discussed.
as a seperate issue
I agree.
but again the focus is one sided. what is the ANC saying about the journalists conduct? nothing. smh. this is so one sided to please the europeans.
RR journalists the world over do this. this is not something Malema is not used to. u think these are bad u should see the british journalists they are worse.
clearly the ANC feel what he did didnt warrant that type of response from malema
but it doesnt mean they shouldnt be put in their place.
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So, what would you rather have journos do?
Sit, arms folded, tight-lipped and eat the bullshit we are fed, while these a**holes keep looting and living large?
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So, what would you rather have journos do?
Sit, arms folded, tight-lipped and eat the bullshit we are fed, while these a**holes keep looting and living large?
read the ANCYL letter that i've posted above
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Blacks can be a nasty lot. we are capable of ma** murder think of Idi Amin, Mobutu, the vicious Bantustan leaders, the toyi toyin comrades with their fiery necklaces...Think about those who sold and a**asinated Lumumba, Sankara...It is also true that we sometimes kill women and rape children we are known to be cannibals, we eat human beings!
BUT RACISTS? OH HELL NO!
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and then. . .he apologizes. well, sort of.
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Blacks can be a nasty lot. we are capable of ma** murder think of Idi Amin, Mobutu, the vicious Bantustan leaders, the toyi toyin comrades with their fiery necklaces...Think about those who sold and a**asinated Lumumba, Sankara...It is also true that we sometimes kill women and rape children we are known to be cannibals, we eat human beings!
BUT RACISTS? OH HELL NO!
Yeah, lord forbid if Julius starts eating people if he becomes the leader of South
Africa! lol Boka**a and Amin were cannibals and it's been said that Mobutu
and Obiang-Nguema drank human blood. What power can do to a person........
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we blacks are very racist and we dont see it. everything is black and white and coloured - ma**ive generalisations etc.
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^^ we're the poorest! we're allowed to! our racialism doens't count as it affects no one but us! why do u think no one really cares if WE'RE racist or not?
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Julius is a douche (worst word I could think of *shrug*).
However,what I've picked up from this thread is that what is most threatening about him is how he comes across to white people.ie 'playing into white agenda,reaction of international community,making black people look bad TO WHITE PEOPLE'
Black people have a wierd kind of Stockolms Syndrome. We don't want to develop/grow/evolve as a good thing in and of itself that will develop us as individuals and communities. We want to do this only to the extent that it will curry favour with white people or offset their wrath/mitigate criticism. Subliminally the argument rests on the a**umption that ultimately we need them whether we like it or not so we have to 'convince them' of our positive attributes.
I'm extrapolating here ofcourse...
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Julius is a douche (worst word I could think of *shrug*).
However,what I've picked up from this thread is that what is most threatening about him is how he comes across to white people.ie 'playing into white agenda,reaction of international community,making black people look bad TO WHITE PEOPLE'
Black people have a wierd kind of Stockolms Syndrome. We don't want to develop/grow/evolve as a good thing in and of itself that will develop us as individuals and communities. We want to do this only to the extent that it will curry favour with white people or offset their wrath/mitigate criticism. Subliminally the argument rests on the a**umption that ultimately we need them whether we like it or not so we have to 'convince them' of our positive attributes.
I'm extrapolating here ofcourse...
Interesting.
I have to run, but remind me to get back to this later, if I don't.
I have my own theory here.
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Julius is a douche (worst word I could think of *shrug*).
However,what I've picked up from this thread is that what is most threatening about him is how he comes across to white people.ie 'playing into white agenda,reaction of international community,making black people look bad TO WHITE PEOPLE'
Black people have a wierd kind of Stockolms Syndrome. We don't want to develop/grow/evolve as a good thing in and of itself that will develop us as individuals and communities. We want to do this only to the extent that it will curry favour with white people or offset their wrath/mitigate criticism. Subliminally the argument rests on the a**umption that ultimately we need them whether we like it or not so we have to 'convince them' of our positive attributes.
I'm extrapolating here ofcourse...
a real problem indeed. cats just don't realise how negative it reflects on them. but then again, its conditioning, colonialism did this to us, we all have this to some extent. I think a short cut solution to undoing it is to try not to think in terms of how do I(or another black person) look in front of white people when i do this or that, AND most importantly get it in your head that any behaviour from a black person that will please white people is one that shows them that you acknowledge their superiority by caring about how you look in their eyes.
Julius Malema's behavior will not make any white person think lesser of you than they already do, it will certainly not change a non-racist white person to suddenly think negatively of you us.
look at these Europeans organising protests at SA emba**ies in some countries saying theres white genocide going on in SA. smh
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Julius is a douche (worst word I could think of *shrug*).
However,what I've picked up from this thread is that what is most threatening about him is how he comes across to white people.ie 'playing into white agenda,reaction of international community,making black people look bad TO WHITE PEOPLE'
Black people have a wierd kind of Stockolms Syndrome. We don't want to develop/grow/evolve as a good thing in and of itself that will develop us as individuals and communities. We want to do this only to the extent that it will curry favour with white people or offset their wrath/mitigate criticism. Subliminally the argument rests on the a**umption that ultimately we need them whether we like it or not so we have to 'convince them' of our positive attributes.
I'm extrapolating here ofcourse...
a real problem indeed. cats just don't realise how negative it reflects on them. but then again, its conditioning, colonialism did this to us, we all have this to some extent. I think a short cut solution to undoing it is to try not to think in terms of how do I(or another black person) look in front of white people when i do this or that, AND most importantly get it in your head that any behaviour from a black person that will please white people is one that shows them that you acknowledge their superiority by caring about how you look in their eyes.
Julius Malema's behavior will not make any white person think lesser of you than they already do, it will certainly not change a non-racist white person to suddenly think negatively of you us.
look at these Europeans organising protests at SA emba**ies in some countries saying theres white genocide going on in SA. smh
This.
And that is the crux of the matter. All Julius Malema is, at this stage, is a posterboy for all the buffoonary that is 'black' according to white people. Its not as if they think of us any lower than they already do because of Malemas idiotic outbursts. All he does is give them a justification for a mindset they have already had of black people since this country became free.
This IS all about black and white. And i am sick and tired of South Africans pussy footing around the topic in fear of people catching feelings. This issue NEEDS to be addressed on a public platform, and fast. Let us discuss our differences, in an effort to break down stereo types and promote understanding among race groups and cultures. We need to stop censoring the fact that it IS about race.
This needs to be dealt with first, before any of this cla**ism bullshit because we cant sit here and say that the two are not even intricately linked to one another.
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who honestly gives a shit what white racists think? Malema is a dangerous, power-hungry, self-serving borderline despot. thats all the reason needed to dislike him. it has nothing to do with whites.
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who honestly gives a shit what white racists think? Malema is a dangerous, power-hungry, self-serving borderline despot. thats all the reason needed to dislike him. it has nothing to do with whites.
makes sense but you still confusing two things here.
- The press conference drama: it has something to do with whites
- Malema character: yes it has nothing to do with whites (to some extent)
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who honestly gives a shit what white racists think? Malema is a dangerous, power-hungry, self-serving borderline despot. thats all the reason needed to dislike him. it has nothing to do with whites.
thats what i have been saying.. f*** what white people think. if u removed the fact that the journalist was white. what he did was still disgraceful period.
race in this country still needs to be dealt with. i doubt anything can change it. im convinced the only way is to continue to lie to each other like it has already been
happening till we all die off. my kids will know and understand that the white skin doesnt NOT constitute to superiority.
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who honestly gives a shit what white racists think? Malema is a dangerous, power-hungry, self-serving borderline despot. thats all the reason needed to dislike him. it has nothing to do with whites.
makes sense but you still confusing two things here.
- The press conference drama: it has something to do with whites
- Malema character: yes it has nothing to do with whites (to some extent)
what do u mean?
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who honestly gives a shit what white racists think? Malema is a dangerous, power-hungry, self-serving borderline despot. thats all the reason needed to dislike him. it has nothing to do with whites.
makes sense but you still confusing two things here.
- The press conference drama: it has something to do with whites
- Malema character: yes it has nothing to do with whites (to some extent)
what do u mean?
I mean the press conference drama should not be looked at or judged on Malema's character only. The choice of words was a reflection on his character that most of us hate and find idiotic. But the cause of the drama was the character of white media which most of us never have harsh critisism on, even when its mocking black leadership and the black peoples image.
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the journalist could have been black, though. and i hardly see a politician talking down a journalist as a triumph for people in general and black people in particular. the truth is the dude was cornered, had his hypocrisy exposed, and then panicking, pulled the race shit. it would actually be more beneficial to black people if Malema were to take responsibility for his actions and be accountable. forget this empty revolutionary posturing.
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hes populist rhetoric (airconditioned sandton offices) got him cornered. cos he lives there and when someone asked him what his point was he blew up.
personallt theres nothing racial about it. if the journalist was balck he probably wouldve done the same thing
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who honestly gives a shit what white racists think? Malema is a dangerous, power-hungry, self-serving borderline despot. thats all the reason needed to dislike him. it has nothing to do with whites.
makes sense but you still confusing two things here.
- The press conference drama: it has something to do with whites
- Malema character: yes it has nothing to do with whites (to some extent)
what do u mean?
I mean the press conference drama should not be looked at or judged on Malema's character only. The choice of words was a reflection on his character that most of us hate and find idiotic. But the cause of the drama was the character of white media which most of us never have harsh critisism on, even when its mocking black leadership and the black peoples image.
i don't know dude!!! i'm of the thought that, as a journalist, that type of shit falls under the shit u expect from a journo! push the buck, ask questions. your statement right there almost feels as if u're saying black media is too scared to ask shit.
the guy didn't seem out of line at all to me.. i'd have loved it even more if that question came from a black, south african journo so we could get the race card out of the way but thats not how it went down.
if you're heckling and downright tellin them to f*** out your country coz they have offices in Sandton but u live there, i'd also wanna kno why Sandton is a f***ed up place to have offices.
dude wasn't racist or mocking Malema in my eyes. he asked a legitimate question and who cares if he cut in? Thina s'funukwazi! people are starting to wise-up to Juju... he's lost support in his own province because motherf***er is arrogant and doesn't do what he says.. con artist!!
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I think we're fully aware that white people are constantly f***ing us in the a** and think very little of us. But why are we ignoring the fact that Julius is also f***ing us in the a**. Is his a** f*** better because he's black? Quite frankly I don't care what white people think but I'm so tired of Jujus and most of our leaders hypocrisy. The only reason they're so quick to spot white racist bullshiters who sit in the million rand homes is because they're occupying the house next door. They have the wool right over our eyes. The only difference between Juju and the people he claims to hate so much is that he's black and they're white but at the end of the day they are ALL giving us one hell of an a** f***.
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I think we're fully aware that white people are constantly f***ing us in the a** and think very little of us. But why are we ignoring the fact that Julius is also f***ing us in the a**. Is his a** f*** better because he's black? Quite frankly I don't care what white people think but I'm so tired of Jujus and most of our leaders hypocrisy. The only reason they're so quick to spot white racist bullshiters who sit in the million rand homes is because they're occupying the house next door. They have the wool right over our eyes. The only difference between Juju and the people he claims to hate so much is that he's black and they're white but at the end of the day they are ALL giving us one hell of an a** f***.
geez baldi... something tells me u have an obsession with anal sex
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don't know if i did mention that i feel the question from the journalist was very relevant and on point. didn't I say that before?
The problem is the manner and the timing. you are not looking at that.
The black dudes who apparently killed ET could have maybe raped his wife and not killed ET, I would say yes, i understand their reason and that ET deserves any bad thing that could happen to him but I would disapprove of their choice of action. Same thing with Malema. Choice of words.
even if it was a black journo i would be saying the exact same thing because i feel they are mostly sellouts who report on black related issues with the same attitude the white media has. they are the same to me.
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Quite frankly I don't care what white people think but I'm so tired of Jujus and most of our leaders hypocrisy.
Well said...and yes our leader are having a NICE time f***ing us in the a**!
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don't know if i did mention that i feel the question from the journalist was very relevant and on point. didn't I say that before?
The problem is the manner and the timing. you are not looking at that.
The black dudes who apparently killed ET could have maybe raped his wife and not killed ET, I would say yes, i understand their reason and that ET deserves any bad thing that could happen to him but I would disapprove of their choice of action. Same thing with Malema. Choice of words.
even if it was a black journo i would be saying the exact same thing because i feel they are mostly sellouts who report on black related issues with the same attitude the white media has. they are the same to me.
so u issue was WHEN he made that comment and no that he made it?
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even if it was a black journo i would be saying the exact same thing because i feel they are mostly sellouts who report on black related issues with the same attitude the white media has. they are the same to me.
I don't think a black jurno would have been able to be so condecending while asking a "harmless" question. and as white media washed as a black jurno is but saying "you talking rubbish" to a loose canon like Juju knowing his crazy supporters...it would never happen!
Speaking of black Jurnos
there is the BLACK BITCH of a reporter who reports for CNN...she used to be on one of the Local stations...IF i ever run into that BITCH..it will be very unpleasant she IS DISGUSTED by black people and it across in her report and question asking ...I HATE THAT BITCH.
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so u issue was WHEN he made that comment and no that he made it?
please rephrase
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Julius is a douche (worst word I could think of *shrug*).
However,what I've picked up from this thread is that what is most threatening about him is how he comes across to white people.ie 'playing into white agenda,reaction of international community,making black people look bad TO WHITE PEOPLE'
Black people have a wierd kind of Stockolms Syndrome. We don't want to develop/grow/evolve as a good thing in and of itself that will develop us as individuals and communities. We want to do this only to the extent that it will curry favour with white people or offset their wrath/mitigate criticism. Subliminally the argument rests on the a**umption that ultimately we need them whether we like it or not so we have to 'convince them' of our positive attributes.
I'm extrapolating here ofcourse...
Interesting post there!!
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so u issue was WHEN he made that comment and no that he made it?
please rephrase
are u saying the timing of his question justifies the outburst?
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I think we're fully aware that white people are constantly f***ing us in the a** and think very little of us. But why are we ignoring the fact that Julius is also f***ing us in the a**. Is his a** f*** better because he's black? Quite frankly I don't care what white people think but I'm so tired of Jujus and most of our leaders hypocrisy. The only reason they're so quick to spot white racist bullshiters who sit in the million rand homes is because they're occupying the house next door. They have the wool right over our eyes. The only difference between Juju and the people he claims to hate so much is that he's black and they're white but at the end of the day they are ALL giving us one hell of an a** f***.
what she said!
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don't know if i did mention that i feel the question from the journalist was very relevant and on point. didn't I say that before?
The problem is the manner and the timing. you are not looking at that.
dude u're killin me. okay, when would have been a good time to ask the question then, so as to not solicit that response?
p.s Did u notice i said i don't care that he butt in? he's a journalist! go figure
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so u issue was WHEN he made that comment and no that he made it?
please rephrase
are u saying the timing of his question justifies the outburst?
the timing and the manner in which the question was asked. the outburst is justifiable. The only disadvantage in this is that its "Malema's" outburst, so in some way I do understand why with some people it seems unjustified.
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don't know if i did mention that i feel the question from the journalist was very relevant and on point. didn't I say that before?
The problem is the manner and the timing. you are not looking at that.
dude u're killin me. okay, when would have been a good time to ask the question then, so as to not solicit that response?
a good time would have been when he gets a chance to ask a question not in the middle of Malema's response to another journo's question.
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even if it was a black journo i would be saying the exact same thing because i feel they are mostly sellouts who report on black related issues with the same attitude the white media has. they are the same to me.
I don't think a black jurno would have been able to be so condecending while asking a "harmless" question. and as white media washed as a black jurno is but saying "you talking rubbish" to a loose canon like Juju knowing his crazy supporters...it would never happen!
Speaking of black Jurnos
there is the BLACK BITCH of a reporter who reports for CNN...she used to be on one of the Local stations...IF i ever run into that BITCH..it will be very unpleasant she IS DISGUSTED by black people and it across in her report and question asking ...I HATE THAT BITCH.
I think i know her,you mean the one with long braids/long afro hair,she used to be on etv!! funny thing is that when CNN wants to report newsworthy staff live on tv they dont show her face instead they will send down one of its reporters from NY to here!!! Bitch lost!!!
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the timing and the manner in which the question was asked. the outburst is justifiable. The only disadvantage in this is that its "Malema's" outburst, so in some way I do understand why with some people it seems unjustified.
even the ANC doesnt see anything wrong with the journalists comments, timing or not.
as a public figure with dodgy lifestyles. there are something u have to take.
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so u issue was WHEN he made that comment and no that he made it?
please rephrase
are u saying the timing of his question justifies the outburst?
the timing and the manner in which the question was asked. the outburst is justifiable. The only disadvantage in this is that its "Malema's" outburst, so in some way I do understand why with some people it seems unjustified.
u don't call people bastards and cuss them out coz they asked a question before they're turn. the point is, Julius has become so arrogant he doesn't give a f*** anymore. he was hurt by that blow.
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so u issue was WHEN he made that comment and no that he made it?
please rephrase
are u saying the timing of his question justifies the outburst?
the timing and the manner in which the question was asked. the outburst is justifiable. The only disadvantage in this is that its "Malema's" outburst, so in some way I do understand why with some people it seems unjustified.
That outburst was not justifiable in any manner. If Juju was half the leader he thinks he is he would've merely said "could you please wait till the q and a stage". The only reason he reacted in the manner that he did was because the journalist asked a very relevant question that Juju himself could not respond to. He avoided the question completely he turned it into a race issue which, I believe it wasn't. I really wonder what he's response would've been had the journalist been black?
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don't know if i did mention that i feel the question from the journalist was very relevant and on point. didn't I say that before?
The problem is the manner and the timing. you are not looking at that.
dude u're killin me. okay, when would have been a good time to ask the question then, so as to not solicit that response?
a good time would have been when he gets a chance to ask a question not in the middle of Malema's response to another journo's question.
sometimes u can't wait for ur turn to ask the right question. 'strike while the iron is hot'.. i'm certain the journalist who was being responded to was more than happy to hear dude ask that question while he was being responded to!
and secondly, a black journo from overseas could have had the same retort to that outburst and not worry a bit coz fankly, he couldn't give to rats a** about Julius and his supposedly domineering personality bcoz they aren't from here.
if u tell me u'er scared coz u know u will get murked tryina pull that shit off then i understand. u'd be fearing for ur life.
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You people are special. Really. So Malema reacts to an interjection by a journalist, and evades a question. The media then goes on a two week rampage, and demand an apology.
This Visagie guys gets interjected on television in studio by a black journalist. He then lambastes the journo, and almost gets into a fight before storming out of the studio, and this is covered by news stations for a day, he isnt even asked ro make a formal apologhy, and everybody forgets his outburst and carries on with their lives.
I agree that Malema is an imicile. But you lot are a bunch of f***ing sellouts. My opinion.
The media chooses to dwell on issues by black people. They continue to undermine and degrade us, and to everybody, that is ok.
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You people are special. Really. So Malema reacts to an interjection by a journalist, and evades a question. The media then goes on a two week rampage, and demand an apology.
This Visagie guys gets interjected on television in studio by a black journalist. He then lambastes the journo, and almost gets into a fight before storming out of the studio, and this is covered by news stations for a day, he isnt even asked ro make a formal apologhy, and everybody forgets his outburst and carries on with their lives.
I agree that Malema is an imicile. But you lot are a bunch of f***ing sellouts. My opinion.
The media chooses to dwell on issues by black people. They continue to undermine and degrade us, and to everybody, that is ok.
i am trying to understand your educated point of view.
Visagie getting ingnored shows the same "we dont give a f*** about white people" that you are purpoting here. what is your point?
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You people are special. Really. So Malema reacts to an interjection by a journalist, and evades a question. The media then goes on a two week rampage, and demand an apology.
This Visagie guys gets interjected on television in studio by a black journalist. He then lambastes the journo, and almost gets into a fight before storming out of the studio, and this is covered by news stations for a day, he isnt even asked ro make a formal apologhy, and everybody forgets his outburst and carries on with their lives.
I agree that Malema is an imicile. But you lot are a bunch of f***ing sellouts. My opinion.
The media chooses to dwell on issues by black people. They continue to undermine and degrade us, and to everybody, that is ok.
lmao!! okay thanks. BYE!!
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You people are special. Really. So Malema reacts to an interjection by a journalist, and evades a question. The media then goes on a two week rampage, and demand an apology.
This Visagie guys gets interjected on television in studio by a black journalist. He then lambastes the journo, and almost gets into a fight before storming out of the studio, and this is covered by news stations for a day, he isnt even asked ro make a formal apologhy, and everybody forgets his outburst and carries on with their lives.
I agree that Malema is an imicile. But you lot are a bunch of f***ing sellouts. My opinion.
The media chooses to dwell on issues by black people. They continue to undermine and degrade us, and to everybody, that is ok.
i am trying to understand your educated point of view.
Visagie getting ingnored shows the same "we dont give a f*** about white people" that you are purpoting here. what is your point?
First of all, stick to your f***ing story. Dont come here and tell everybody this has nothing to do with race, then respond to my post telling me you dont give a f*** about a grumpy white guy throwing his toys out the cot on national tv.
You are pushing the agenda that the principal of how Malema reacted was wrong. Yet you havent even bothered to respond to my post by stating the way in which Visagie responded was wrong.
Take race out of the issue, as you have so elloquently done with the Malema case. Why arent you as equally concerned about the way Visagie reacted? Its because he's white right? Its ok for them to react the way they do when they are interjected and to walk out of studio, and threaten women on live tv right?
Your argument holds f*** all.
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even if it was a black journo i would be saying the exact same thing because i feel they are mostly sellouts who report on black related issues with the same attitude the white media has. they are the same to me.
I don't think a black jurno would have been able to be so condecending while asking a "harmless" question. and as white media washed as a black jurno is but saying "you talking rubbish" to a loose canon like Juju knowing his crazy supporters...it would never happen!
Speaking of black Jurnos
there is the BLACK BITCH of a reporter who reports for CNN...she used to be on one of the Local stations...IF i ever run into that BITCH..it will be very unpleasant she IS DISGUSTED by black people and it across in her report and question asking ...I HATE THAT BITCH.
I think i know her,you mean the one with long braids/long afro hair,she used to be on etv!! funny thing is that when CNN wants to report newsworthy staff live on tv they dont show her face instead they will send down one of its reporters from NY to here!!! Bitch lost!!!
Yeah thats her!!!
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You people are special. Really. So Malema reacts to an interjection by a journalist, and evades a question. The media then goes on a two week rampage, and demand an apology.
This Visagie guys gets interjected on television in studio by a black journalist. He then lambastes the journo, and almost gets into a fight before storming out of the studio, and this is covered by news stations for a day, he isnt even asked ro make a formal apologhy, and everybody forgets his outburst and carries on with their lives.
I agree that Malema is an imicile. But you lot are a bunch of f***ing sellouts. My opinion.
The media chooses to dwell on issues by black people. They continue to undermine and degrade us, and to everybody, that is ok.
i am trying to understand your educated point of view.
Visagie getting ingnored shows the same "we dont give a f*** about white people" that you are purpoting here. what is your point?
First of all, stick to your f***ing story. Dont come here and tell everybody this has nothing to do with race, then respond to my post telling me you dont give a f*** about a grumpy white guy throwing his toys out the cot on national tv.
You are pushing the agenda that the principal of how Malema reacted was wrong. Yet you havent even bothered to respond to my post by stating the way in which Visagie responded was wrong.
Take race out of the issue, as you have so elloquently done with the Malema case. Why arent you as equally concerned about the way Visagie reacted? Its because he's white right? Its ok for them to react the way they do when they are interjected and to walk out of studio, and threaten women on live tv right?
Your argument holds f*** all.
dude get over it. no one really gives a f*** about an AWB member who's stupid tirade was nothing short of comic. of course its a big deal but guess what, Julius Malema is regarded as much more important so when he does something stupid, we all pay attention as it affects S.A a lot more than a racist boertjie catching wreck from a way more articulate black lady. admirable really 8)
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damn. it just ain possible to share an opinion on ag without people catching feelings
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a good time would have been when he gets a chance to ask a question not in the middle of Malema's response to another journo's question.
Julius was responding to his question, not another journo's.
And if I were him, I would've also called his bullshit while he was talking, cos I refuse to sit and listen to someone spout garbage, criticising others while he does exactly the same thing.
Does this mean I'm too whitewashed and a hypocrite who wishes I was white?
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a good time would have been when he gets a chance to ask a question not in the middle of Malema's response to another journo's question.
Julius was responding to his question, not another journo's.
And if I were him, I would've also called his bullshit while he was talking, cos I refuse to sit and listen to someone spout garbage, criticising others while he does exactly the same thing.
Does this mean I'm too whitewashed and a hypocrite who wishes I was white?
that kind of "journalism/interviewing style" does not produce positive results and a perfect example of that is 3rd Degree. instead the audiences sympathise with the culprit because they see you as personalising the issue and that you have a hidden agenda. (white tendency, agent etc)
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^^ but no-one saw it like that except Julius
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a good time would have been when he gets a chance to ask a question not in the middle of Malema's response to another journo's question.
Julius was responding to his question, not another journo's.
And if I were him, I would've also called his bullshit while he was talking, cos I refuse to sit and listen to someone spout garbage, criticising others while he does exactly the same thing.
Does this mean I'm too whitewashed and a hypocrite who wishes I was white?
that kind of "journalism/interviewing style" does not produce positive results and a perfect example of that is 3rd Degree. instead the audiences sympathise with the culprit because they see you as personalising the issue and that you have a hidden agenda. (white tendency, agent etc)
You can be a**ertive without being condescending.
The dude wasn't rude at all. All he said was, "but you live in Sandton" and Julius couldn't respond, so he lashed out.
Sign of an idiot with something to hide.
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a good time would have been when he gets a chance to ask a question not in the middle of Malema's response to another journo's question.
Does this mean I'm too whitewashed and a hypocrite who wishes I was white?
WHITEBOY!
8)
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You people are special. Really. So Malema reacts to an interjection by a journalist, and evades a question. The media then goes on a two week rampage, and demand an apology.
This Visagie guys gets interjected on television in studio by a black journalist. He then lambastes the journo, and almost gets into a fight before storming out of the studio, and this is covered by news stations for a day, he isnt even asked ro make a formal apologhy, and everybody forgets his outburst and carries on with their lives.
I agree that Malema is an imicile. But you lot are a bunch of f***ing sellouts. My opinion.
The media chooses to dwell on issues by black people. They continue to undermine and degrade us, and to everybody, that is ok.
Im sayin'
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a good time would have been when he gets a chance to ask a question not in the middle of Malema's response to another journo's question.
Julius was responding to his question, not another journo's.
And if I were him, I would've also called his bullshit while he was talking, cos I refuse to sit and listen to someone spout garbage, criticising others while he does exactly the same thing.
Does this mean I'm too whitewashed and a hypocrite who wishes I was white?
that kind of "journalism/interviewing style" does not produce positive results and a perfect example of that is 3rd Degree. instead the audiences sympathise with the culprit because they see you as personalising the issue and that you have a hidden agenda. (white tendency, agent etc)
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"They say that Malema didn’t call the journalist b*stard, He thought his name was Ted and called him Baas Ted…"
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I think we underestimate this dudes political stance, he still maintains a youth leadership post afta all the controvery he has caused, not even a single tiny suspension? guys wake up, he knws some damaging intelligence about pips in the Anc.
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I think we underestimate this dudes political stance, he still maintains a youth leadership post afta all the controvery he has caused, not even a single tiny suspension? guys wake up, he knws some damaging intelligence about pips in the Anc!
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I've jumped to the defence of Julius Malema here:
http://tinyurl.com/yekmylw
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Julius Malema addresses many necessary issues. It is a pity that he also happens to be an idiot. I
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Julius Malema addresses many necessary issues. It is a pity that he also happens to be an idiot. I
he chimes in on important issues true. but..
his mandate which is youth related... what has he done for them/us ? someone enlighten me
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I've jumped to the defence of Julius Malema here:
http://tinyurl.com/yekmylw
"Think about it. The ANC Youth League is utterly and totally useless. It exists solely as a vanity project for guys who aren’t allowed to play with the big boys".
would like to know how you came to this conclusion!!!
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I've jumped to the defence of Julius Malema here:
http://tinyurl.com/yekmylw
"Think about it. The ANC Youth League is utterly and totally useless. It exists solely as a vanity project for guys who aren’t allowed to play with the big boys".
would like to know how you came to this conclusion!!!
OK. Enlighten me. What is the explicit purpose of the ANC Youth League?
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I've jumped to the defence of Julius Malema here:
http://tinyurl.com/yekmylw
"Think about it. The ANC Youth League is utterly and totally useless. It exists solely as a vanity project for guys who aren’t allowed to play with the big boys".
would like to know how you came to this conclusion!!!
OK. Enlighten me. What is the explicit purpose of the ANC Youth League?
dude, i asked you a question about a statement you made (and published) and now you responding by asking a question. didn't your grade 1 teacher tell you that you dont answer a question with another question? lol. I think you need to differentiate between ANCYL leadership and the rank and file on the branch level.
As far as i know the ANCYL is a platform for young people to raise their issues and participate in the democracy. its a space for all those young people who vote for the ANC during election (whether they believe in ANC's economic policies or they vote for it because of the party's history or because there is no alternative...i really dont know).
At a branch level the members have to ensure that youth issues are part of the municipalties Integrated Development Plans (IDP). im not a member of the ANCYL or any political party for that matter!!!
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I've jumped to the defence of Julius Malema here:
http://tinyurl.com/yekmylw
"Think about it. The ANC Youth League is utterly and totally useless. It exists solely as a vanity project for guys who aren’t allowed to play with the big boys".
would like to know how you came to this conclusion!!!
OK. Enlighten me. What is the explicit purpose of the ANC Youth League?
dude, i asked you a question about a statement you made (and published) and now you responding by asking a question. didn't your grade 1 teacher tell you that you dont answer a question with another question? lol. I think you need to differentiate between ANCYL leadership and the rank and file on the branch level.
As far as i know the ANCYL is a platform for young people to raise their issues and participate in the democracy. its a space for all those young people who vote for the ANC during election (whether they believe in ANC's economic policies or they vote for it because of the party's history or because there is no alternative...i really dont know).
At a branch level the members have to ensure that youth issues are part of the municipalties Integrated Development Plans (IDP). im not a member of the ANCYL or any political party for that matter!!!
Sorry. Don't buy it. In other words, it's a campaign organ for the ANC. Julius Malema knows as much about youth issues as Manto knew about HIV.
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I've jumped to the defence of Julius Malema here:
http://tinyurl.com/yekmylw
"Think about it. The ANC Youth League is utterly and totally useless. It exists solely as a vanity project for guys who aren’t allowed to play with the big boys".
would like to know how you came to this conclusion!!!
OK. Enlighten me. What is the explicit purpose of the ANC Youth League?
dude, i asked you a question about a statement you made (and published) and now you responding by asking a question. didn't your grade 1 teacher tell you that you dont answer a question with another question? lol. I think you need to differentiate between ANCYL leadership and the rank and file on the branch level.
As far as i know the ANCYL is a platform for young people to raise their issues and participate in the democracy. its a space for all those young people who vote for the ANC during election (whether they believe in ANC's economic policies or they vote for it because of the party's history or because there is no alternative...i really dont know).
At a branch level the members have to ensure that youth issues are part of the municipalties Integrated Development Plans (IDP). im not a member of the ANCYL or any political party for that matter!!!
Julius Malema knows as much about youth issues as Manto knew about HIV.
Thats a bold thing to say. What do you base this on?
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I've jumped to the defence of Julius Malema here:
http://tinyurl.com/yekmylw
"Think about it. The ANC Youth League is utterly and totally useless. It exists solely as a vanity project for guys who aren’t allowed to play with the big boys".
would like to know how you came to this conclusion!!!
OK. Enlighten me. What is the explicit purpose of the ANC Youth League?
dude, i asked you a question about a statement you made (and published) and now you responding by asking a question. didn't your grade 1 teacher tell you that you dont answer a question with another question? lol. I think you need to differentiate between ANCYL leadership and the rank and file on the branch level.
As far as i know the ANCYL is a platform for young people to raise their issues and participate in the democracy. its a space for all those young people who vote for the ANC during election (whether they believe in ANC's economic policies or they vote for it because of the party's history or because there is no alternative...i really dont know).
At a branch level the members have to ensure that youth issues are part of the municipalties Integrated Development Plans (IDP). im not a member of the ANCYL or any political party for that matter!!!
Sorry. Don't buy it. In other words, it's a campaign organ for the ANC. Julius Malema knows as much about youth issues as Manto knew about HIV.
you haven't answered my question, Rob!!!
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I've jumped to the defence of Julius Malema here:
http://tinyurl.com/yekmylw
"Think about it. The ANC Youth League is utterly and totally useless. It exists solely as a vanity project for guys who aren’t allowed to play with the big boys".
would like to know how you came to this conclusion!!!
OK. Enlighten me. What is the explicit purpose of the ANC Youth League?
dude, i asked you a question about a statement you made (and published) and now you responding by asking a question. didn't your grade 1 teacher tell you that you dont answer a question with another question? lol. I think you need to differentiate between ANCYL leadership and the rank and file on the branch level.
As far as i know the ANCYL is a platform for young people to raise their issues and participate in the democracy. its a space for all those young people who vote for the ANC during election (whether they believe in ANC's economic policies or they vote for it because of the party's history or because there is no alternative...i really dont know).
At a branch level the members have to ensure that youth issues are part of the municipalties Integrated Development Plans (IDP). im not a member of the ANCYL or any political party for that matter!!!
Sorry. Don't buy it. In other words, it's a campaign organ for the ANC. Julius Malema knows as much about youth issues as Manto knew about HIV.
you haven't answered my question, Rob!!!
Chill out.
What question would that be? How I came to the conclusion? Simple. I researched the Youth League, and couldn't find a single circumstance where I could actually figure out what they did. Thus, they are useless. Cogito ergo sum. 8)
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f*** all dat! julius is a c*** and defensive little a**hole, living in the Sandton version of the apartheid era.
Limited in perception as that between his trousers. If u disagree, then the sandman blew sleeping dust into yo eyes too. What f***in militancy? Shit's a joke!
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Izakunya latwana u julius!
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They say we get the leaders we deserve but damn... Julius and Shivambu are the harshest punishment. Lord have mercy.