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Title: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Waylander on November 01, 2010, 02:33:22 PM
What gives...

First of all, i drink alcohol, and i smoke cigarrettes.. I only drink on Fridays and Saturdays.. Sundays i rest, and during the week its work, school, business and gym..

I have noticed a negative trend amongst us as youth, and more specifically black youth, of leading very destructive lifestyles.. And its a very concerning for me... Addictive substances seem to be a norm amongst us..

i have two friends, one a very intelligent dude, who share a flat, and on average they ma**acre at least a tray of black label dumpies a day.. thats 24 dumpies of beer, everyday... The one dude only comes out of his shell after a few.. he is quiet, to the point of being unnoticable when he is sober, but when he's had a few, YHO!!!

Luckily, friends like that are at a minimum for me, im lucky enough to be blessed with focused , driven people as friends..


What inspired this thread for me though was not my friends as such, but the lifestyles lead by youth in general...
How many of you here drink on a daily basis? babalas monday?something something tuesday? ladies night wednesday? phuza thursday? and of course, the normal resumption of service friday and saturday!!! and theres a something something on sundays as well...

Then, theres also the small issue of drug use(abuse??)... Weed smoking, cocaine, acid etc.. how many of you get blunted daily? and how many of u use so called hard-drugs on weekends?

and just as a side debate, how is Cannibis good for a person? How many people do you know who are perpetually high on some drug or another?

Now my question  is, why are we so addicted to these destructive lifestyles? Black people in general seem to live for drugs and alcohol..

And theres also the small issue of sex... im not talking abt having it, im talking about the people who still have it without using protection!! i know this might amaze some of you, and embara** most, but its actually amazing the number of young, professional and mostly educated people who STILL dont use condoms, or who use them SOMETIMES(like they can see how got deases and shit by just lookin at them).. and generally, the ones who use condoms sometimes dont use them when they with hot, "clean looking" girls, or girls they meet at these up-market do's.. like girls who drive dope cars and wear expensive clothes are somehow immune to this shit...

anyway, im hoping to start a debate by this post, so comment away...

Safe...
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: briCK on November 01, 2010, 04:24:21 PM
I cant drink sundays, i refuse to detox at work!

sunday is stay indoors count the money you wasted day and Vow never to give random bitches money coz you were drunk and thought going to Gold Reef Casino is a good idea, you end up being on a r10 a chip table on a row from starting off with R100 worth of chips you got 9 R100 chips and the pit bosses looking at you like you cheating yet all you doing in letting the Gin And Juice do the betting i gave bitches r100 chips like 5 , won them all back...I kid you not from R100 i started off with I left with about a thousand Rand excluding the money I wasted throwing it in the air till i got kicked out
 the casion for bein drunk and disorderly!

anyway back to the the topic
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: briCK on November 01, 2010, 04:31:58 PM
Everyday drinking aint right, in Pretoria I won't like I was on that tip, i lived next door to a back packer place
there were ALWAYS new tourist daily most looking for black dick!

most pot heads I know smoke first thing in the morn, lunch time and before bed, I can't handle spending the whole day high...but those that can, they do and most look normal.

unless i am going for the jugula beer first thing in the morning is a nono...if i drink on Friday till early morn i will sleep till atleast 12..

as for hard drugs i know crackheds that aint sleep in a week sucking dick for a fix! f*** THAT!
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: briCK on November 03, 2010, 01:55:09 PM
why was this thread locked?

its unlocked now tho???
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Touareg on November 03, 2010, 02:31:03 PM
Well, I know some cats who knock out at least 3 bottles of whisky and a coupla beers daily, and these cats are progressive people in that they are educated and hold big positions in their companies and the fact that they drink excessively does not seem to hinder their progress in that they wake everyday and do what they need to do no stress...and wouldnt take kindly to anyone failing to report for duty because of babalaaz.

To someone looking from ouside in, this might look like destructive behaviour, but contraty its just a lifestyle choice. This may vary from person to person in terms of substance of choice and the degree to which it effects their everyday functioning. In my view the use of drugs and alcohol is only destructive if it starts effecting your progress wether in your work, school, relationships etc.

In tertiary, as many of us have, I  ma**acred many a case and experimented with a few drugs too...Nothing wrong with that, its youth and its supposed to be that way, at some point you ougrow that kind of behaviour and as I said...Its only destructive only once it starts f***ing with your life.

As for wreckless sexual behaviour...That's just stupidity...

BTW...This type of behaviour is not unique to young blacks...in fact I'll go as far as saying it is more prevelant in young whites.

Ma 2cents...
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: briCK on November 03, 2010, 03:02:55 PM
Well, I know some cats who knock out at least 3 bottles of whisky and a coupla beers daily.


 ???

damn!
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 03, 2010, 04:47:03 PM
cosigning Touareg

BTW...This type of behaviour is not unique to young blacks...in fact I'll go as far as saying it is more prevelant in young whites.

True. drugs, orgies and all.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 03, 2010, 04:52:44 PM
cosigning Touareg

BTW...This type of behaviour is not unique to young blacks...in fact I'll go as far as saying it is more prevelant in young whites.

True. drugs, orgies and all.

and not using condoms
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: briCK on November 03, 2010, 05:04:36 PM
cosigning Touareg

BTW...This type of behaviour is not unique to young blacks...in fact I'll go as far as saying it is more prevelant in young whites.

True. drugs, orgies and all.

My drug experiment days was 1 pill of X and thats it ...

the orgies however...ooooooooooh!

i rolled with a buch of f***ed up people...

one junkie bitch i used to f*** invited me for the first orgie in my life it was her and three other freinds...female
what a nigh to remmeber, i attended four or five other suck orgies but it was always on or more of the initial three friends till one day I walked in condoms in hand, Jack in the other, lube in and ma**age oil in the pockets and agrin on my face which was quickly wiped off when I saw another dude at the crib!

nothing says "f***  >:( like a nigga maxing smoking a spliff stroking one of my girls..."

they pop pills and this nigga just stand and drop his pants and stick his dick in this bitches mouth!

I puked in my mouth took my rubbers, lubes ma**age oil and left the Jack and went clubbing deleted the orgie bitch from my phone!

Met her few years later and she was happily married with  kid...the shit niggaz will marry!

i have my suspicions tho, the kid does not look like the mother OR the father..if i had to place a bet, i say nigga is being suckered to raise some other niggaz sperm and THAT fellow is the efinition of  FAILURE!
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Boss on November 04, 2010, 02:32:35 AM
look nigger i sip whenever regardless of the day f the week.

by the way, im drunk. ive spewed half of my grocery money on some useless chick and booze!
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: MOFF G on November 04, 2010, 09:29:41 AM
f*** anybody telling me about the amount of weed i busta day.

i do (at times) think that it is a problem, like yesterday, it was my day off. i chilled at the spot and mayn, i smoked a whole pack of swazi (r10 skuif) in a day. usually i'd do this in 3 days or so, but i wasted that ish in a few hours and this morning had to go reload before i went on my way to this shit hole i work. but tell u what, i was still able to do my chores and still spare me some time to give it to her in all angles.

i hear stories of peeps saying them can't perform due to excessive drug use....THANX GOD i don't use drugs, i only do the SPLIFF......
or maybe they just bonning sum unsexy chicks.

i say do what u do but don't let it go to your head to a point it takes over your life, u start getting late at work, looking all slobbish and untidy. do which ever drug u can lay ur hands on but don't let it go to your head.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Touareg on November 04, 2010, 09:38:22 AM
do which ever drug u can lay ur hands on but don't let it go to your head.

This must be really hard to do...
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Alcohol Abuser on November 04, 2010, 09:59:49 AM
Except maybe an occasional quart or two during the week, I go all out during weekends from friday afternoon untill sunday evening I'm guzzling quarts like a mother and aint never been called for a disciplinary hearing at work so it depends on what are your priorities in the first place fcuking up your career or going to work so that you can be able to sustain your beer and weed smoking habits that's what get me outta bed every morning
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: MOFF G on November 04, 2010, 11:47:01 AM
Except maybe an occasional quart or two during the week, I go all out during weekends from friday afternoon untill sunday evening I'm guzzling quarts like a mother and aint never been called for a disciplinary hearing at work so it depends on what are your priorities in the first place fcuking up your career or going to work so that you can be able to sustain your beer and weed smoking habits that's what get me outta bed every morning


smoke more help me break off this ozone layer...it's blocking my shine!!
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: King Genius on November 04, 2010, 02:38:54 PM
do which ever drug u can lay ur hands on but don't let it go to your head.

This must be really hard to do...

Hahaha... you needa be high to believe you've done that.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Sosiba on November 04, 2010, 02:50:32 PM
Man, I have so many bad stories about alcohol but im not yet convinced to even tone it down. There was a period of about a 2 months when me and my friend got drunk like seroiusly from thursday till monday.

Anyway, there was this teacher at school, dude was really brilliant but he was a fukin' drunkard who came to school drunk. they hesitated to fire him coz of how good he was, one day dude was called to a disciplinary hearing and he went to it pissed drunk, kowu!

this past weekend this other dude was selling me his Adidas track top on a "negotiable price" just so he can buy some beers, this a student i know and i've had some drinks with. yerrr...
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Waylander on November 16, 2010, 01:40:29 PM
All points taken....

If a dude is "productive" when he's had a few drinks or a coupla blunts, and isnt when sober, at which is he then? kauz i know a few...

And i hear the point about doing this shit in tertiary etc, but isnt that where the addiction starts for most people? Also, at which age do you start outgrowing that shit? kauz most of the people who led me to start this thread are in their late 20's to mid 30's.. and theres a good sprinkling of late 30's as well...

If you can drink on a daily and still be productiv, isnt the problem the fact that you have to drink daily?
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 16, 2010, 03:51:12 PM
Its in environments with no so great conditions where alcohol tends to be encourage a destructive lifestyle. for the 5/6year I have been drinking I havent been able to touch alcohol when I'm in the hood because of what I see it do to the people there, both young and old. What makes it worst is the almost every street has a house that sells alcohol, you know how bad that is. The government knows too that why in white suburbs there are restricted areas where alcohol is available. none of that in the hood.

I spent the whole weekend at home in Gugs this past weekend. Theres another concerning phenomenon that was not hard to notice. Teenage pregnancy. The number of kids with kids just in the area where i stay, never mind the area, just my street that has "12" houses. i saw maybe two other kids walking pa**ed my street pregnant, 17year old looking kids. damn! you'd think they've found a cure for aids.

Another thing. We slaughtered for my late grandmother at home over the weekend. I could not help but notice how much the support from almost all men attending required the availability of alcohol. Our very own African Customs are to blame. Don't you think? I'm telling you as soon as they had their one shot from that brandy and that bucket of mqombothi did its rounds, the whole front yard was empty. I was constantly "nagged" (and made to feel guilty) to make something available by some uncles and neighbors. i selfishly made bought some alcohol for friends though and pretended it came out of their own pockets.

off topic. Throughout the weekend I was reminded, though politely(fortunately), that i should go for circumcision. I tell you one thing that stood out the most about the ceremony was how much alcohol and the "west" are prevalent in the custom. the brandy, the jacket that was put on my shoulders when it was time for me to speak even though i was dressed in a tradition african attire, the reference to the christian god to opening the ceremony with christian prayer, etc.

African customs have so much potential to resolve a whole lot of our youth's problems but how do we expect the youth to respect these customs that are over shadowed by western attributes, how do we expect african values to have any positive effect in the lives of the youth.


Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Tonnes on November 16, 2010, 04:23:30 PM
^^^if u don't mind me asking, why don't you want to do the circumcision?
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 16, 2010, 10:35:02 PM
^^^if u don't mind me asking, why don't you want to do the circumcision?

the question should be why do they want me to do circumcision? everybody who trying to explain why i need to do hasn't given me a good enough reason for me to do it.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Lord Deacon Of Frost on November 16, 2010, 10:40:37 PM
who gives a shit go for your own reasons nigga
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Tonnes on November 17, 2010, 09:47:51 AM
^^^if u don't mind me asking, why don't you want to do the circumcision?

the question should be why do they want me to do circumcision? everybody who trying to explain why i need to do hasn't given me a good enough reason for me to do it.

Ayt, do you.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: briCK on November 17, 2010, 09:59:00 AM
African customs have so much potential to resolve a whole lot of our youth's problems but how do we expect the youth to respect these customs that are over shadowed by western attributes, how do we expect african values to have any positive effect in the lives of the youth.

Very well put!

this was and always has been my problem with City slickers! they Mix whats convinient...do the "Qaba" shit but dilute it with Civilised, Christain white bullshit! when we do a "ritual" we don't mix and match there is clear distinction between the white way and the "black" way.

no whiskies and the alchohols is brewed the seven days ay...No King Korn or none of those white peoples shit!



Different topic...


Is it nessesary to "dash" you whishky with beer? cummon fam you wanna get drunk we get but commun show some reson!

why not just drink the whisky raw?
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Waylander on November 17, 2010, 10:04:12 AM
^^^if u don't mind me asking, why don't you want to do the circumcision?

the question should be why do they want me to do circumcision? everybody who trying to explain why i need to do hasn't given me a good enough reason for me to do it.

So awuzokoluka chief? nja!!
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 17, 2010, 10:36:17 AM
^^^if u don't mind me asking, why don't you want to do the circumcision?

the question should be why do they want me to do circumcision? everybody who trying to explain why i need to do hasn't given me a good enough reason for me to do it.

So awuzokoluka chief? nja!!

case in point
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Killa Merc on November 17, 2010, 04:34:34 PM
Yho AGIANS whats recommended for drinking whisky? Is a quarter of a bottle in a day excessive. I'm just shocked that hitting 3 a day is the norm with some people. Flip, you must be unable to walk or talk after that. unless it was 10 of you drinking that.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Mrs Jones on November 17, 2010, 06:02:53 PM
^^^if u don't mind me asking, why don't you want to do the circumcision?

the question should be why do they want me to do circumcision? everybody who trying to explain why i need to do hasn't given me a good enough reason for me to do it.

So awuzokoluka chief? nja!!

LMAO!

@R double, so I take it you don't usually attend imicimbi yeminye imizi. Reason for my a**umption is that Xhosa men can be quite brutal xa ubaleka notywala bamadoda at your age.

Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: K'niep Tang on November 18, 2010, 09:19:17 AM
^^^if u don't mind me asking, why don't you want to do the circumcision?

the question should be why do they want me to do circumcision? everybody who trying to explain why i need to do hasn't given me a good enough reason for me to do it.

Just out of curiosity, what are the reasons they've given you?
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: The Mighty Loks on November 18, 2010, 11:43:47 AM
^^^if u don't mind me asking, why don't you want to do the circumcision?

the question should be why do they want me to do circumcision? everybody who trying to explain why i need to do hasn't given me a good enough reason for me to do it.

Judging by your previous post you seem like a pretty traditional man, one that value your tradition more than religion or ‘Western world’ influences. You make reference to the fact that they covered your African attire with their jacket, which wasn’t altogether African and how there was so much reference to the Christian God which you feel is not appropriate for a traditional ceremony. So here’s a reason I think you should get circumcised, because it’s part of your Xhosa tradition. I mean if you’re such a firm believer in tradition then surely this being part of your tradition is something you should be more than happy to embark on. Or are you doing the same thing that you stand so highly in judgment of, which is isolating parts of your tradition, remixing them and making them suit you and your lifestyle? You seem to have a problem with the western world having so much influence yet you yourself aren’t following your tradition. Please do correct me if I’m wrong.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Bobby Banks on November 18, 2010, 11:54:08 AM
^^^if u don't mind me asking, why don't you want to do the circumcision?

the question should be why do they want me to do circumcision? everybody who trying to explain why i need to do hasn't given me a good enough reason for me to do it.

Judging by your previous post you seem like a pretty traditional man, one that value your tradition more than religion or ‘Western world’ influences. You make reference to the fact that they covered your African attire with their jacket, which wasn’t altogether African and how there was so much reference to the Christian God which you feel is not appropriate for a traditional ceremony. So here’s a reason I think you should get circumcised, because it’s part of your Xhosa tradition. I mean if you’re such a firm believer in tradition then surely this being part of your tradition is something you should be more than happy to embark on. Or are you doing the same thing that you stand so highly in judgment of, which is isolating parts of your tradition, remixing them and making them suit you and your lifestyle? You seem to have a problem with the western world having so much influence yet you yourself aren’t following your tradition. Please do correct me if I’m wrong.

sustained.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: General Ratzinger van Stilzkin on November 18, 2010, 12:25:07 PM
^^^if u don't mind me asking, why don't you want to do the circumcision?

the question should be why do they want me to do circumcision? everybody who trying to explain why i need to do hasn't given me a good enough reason for me to do it.

Judging by your previous post you seem like a pretty traditional man, one that value your tradition more than religion or ‘Western world’ influences. You make reference to the fact that they covered your African attire with their jacket, which wasn’t altogether African and how there was so much reference to the Christian God which you feel is not appropriate for a traditional ceremony. So here’s a reason I think you should get circumcised, because it’s part of your Xhosa tradition. I mean if you’re such a firm believer in tradition then surely this being part of your tradition is something you should be more than happy to embark on. Or are you doing the same thing that you stand so highly in judgment of, which is isolating parts of your tradition, remixing them and making them suit you and your lifestyle? You seem to have a problem with the western world having so much influence yet you yourself aren’t following your tradition. Please do correct me if I’m wrong.


wow, dare i say it,  but this on some serious truth shit
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: The Angry Hand of God on November 18, 2010, 12:38:08 PM
Maybe he has also accepted that certain parts of tradition have become dated and no longer have the same value in modern society as they had back in the old days.

This is how I feel about a lot of traditional practices.

Then again, what do I know, I have no culture or tradition, except drunkenness and hip hop.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 18, 2010, 12:43:29 PM
^^^if u don't mind me asking, why don't you want to do the circumcision?

the question should be why do they want me to do circumcision? everybody who trying to explain why i need to do hasn't given me a good enough reason for me to do it.

Judging by your previous post you seem like a pretty traditional man, one that value your tradition more than religion or ‘Western world’ influences. You make reference to the fact that they covered your African attire with their jacket, which wasn’t altogether African and how there was so much reference to the Christian God which you feel is not appropriate for a traditional ceremony. So here’s a reason I think you should get circumcised, because it’s part of your Xhosa tradition. I mean if you’re such a firm believer in tradition then surely this being part of your tradition is something you should be more than happy to embark on. Or are you doing the same thing that you stand so highly in judgment of, which is isolating parts of your tradition, remixing them and making them suit you and your lifestyle? You seem to have a problem with the western world having so much influence yet you yourself aren’t following your tradition. Please do correct me if I’m wrong.

Nicely put but I disagree with you here.

Tradition/customs as they are, what you seem like you dont know, had in the pa**ed been "discussed and changed" accordingly where there was a need. One of the reasons being some unavoidable social changes or lack of access sometimes to certain things. i.e animal skins replaced by the current materials as you have seen the material Xhosa people use now for their attire. Even umqombhothi was never part of these ceremonies. Amasi was what was used in the pa**ed. You didn't know this either. Ukwaluka was started by a certain somebody too, not too sure if im at liberty to get into this though and also keep in mind that i have limited information in this subject.

At some point people totally neglected that just as society changes some things do require change too in order to have these custom maintain relevance to the people on that particular time that requires that change. This is not about being selective and wanting to be white. Total misconception from your part.

One old man who happens to be a Sangoma and share the same views on the change im talking about put summarized it like this "Lento kuthwa lisiko yintetho", if I understood him correctly he was stressing it that it comes from a persons mouth before it is what it is. He was stressing the point of how some customs had to be changed (through discussion) and why that change sometimes is necessary.

To a**ume that I'm picking and choosing because i think it suits me in the way that you have put it then you are totally wrong. Im sure there are some c***oms if you were born into you would find the need to question them when you feel their relavence and role in society and your life has no role or rather inconveniences the idea to building a position people with pride and a strong sense of what makes them who they are.


Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 18, 2010, 12:48:13 PM
Maybe he has also accepted that certain parts of tradition have become dated and no longer have the same value in modern society as they had back in the old days.

This is how I feel about a lot of traditional practices.


exactly. but when you start saying this people think you mean african customs whould be done away with which is not what I'm saying. A whole lot of it needs to be brought back and parts of those that are kept need to be changed. There is a whole lot that is just symbolism but people out of ignorance take them as they are. on some no, you can not do it any other way that how are forefathers did it too which is BULLSHIT. no thats not how they always did it, they had to change it too at some point.

Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: A pimp named Sarkozy on November 18, 2010, 12:50:35 PM
Like hell The Youth can drink whatever they want ! I just got beef with random dudes who park their cars in a random streeet open their car boots,hold their drink n tap their feet like they doing the coolest ish on earth. Shoprite liquor store prices are quite reasonable They are 15%  to 20% lesser than the regular liquor store prices. R3500 worth of liquor can accommodate up To 30 peeps in a house. I drink once a month.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: General Ratzinger van Stilzkin on November 18, 2010, 12:58:47 PM
@RR   

everything is relative innit, with that in mind who decides what should be changed and what shouldnt be? i may feel circumcision is outdated, but joe soap may not feel that way.

not sure what point im getting at, still
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: The Angry Hand of God on November 18, 2010, 01:01:10 PM
some motherf***er came and parked on my spot in front of my house during Macufe weekend and started blasting loud music and drinking. Then he refused to move when I wanted to park on my spot.

Motherf***er.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 18, 2010, 01:11:19 PM
@RR   

everything is relative innit, with that in mind who decides what should be changed and what shouldnt be? i may feel circumcision is outdated, but joe soap may not feel that way.

not sure what point im getting at, still

There are customs done or were done as means to have a good social system and there are customs that are done because they are necessary or you are just drawn into them if had neglected them(the so called supernatural). one thing both these types of customs have in common are material things used just for symbolism, symbolism with a point depending on what it is used for. The symbolism changes. back then these things were discussed just as we have parlianment to discuss and change things if you get what i'm saying. The mentality to do or lack of ignorance to have this change is not there so it have to depend from family to family now until such time that iiNkosi are recognised and have a relevant part in out society, a role that is close to what they had before they started receiving allowances and being appointed and removed from their seats by Sir Something as instructed by the Queen in England.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Anna Sasin on November 18, 2010, 01:14:49 PM
Perhaps the best thing is to ask, to any one who has already undergone the process, what would you say you took away from the experience?

What profound benefit did you get besides following your culture?
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: A pimp named Sarkozy on November 18, 2010, 01:18:07 PM
RR has his own reasons for not doing bt to the xhosa culture extremist he wouldnt exist or recognise him as whole or a man! But then again if we all inside ebuhlanti slaughtering a cow who cares if hes a "man" or not who will  come to him and ask abt the secret language of the bushes?  But ke being in the mountains was a nice experience! But will that make you a real man in the real world? No!
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 18, 2010, 01:25:23 PM
hope you all are used to my grammatical errors. I think im getting worst by the day.  :) I should stop reading anything written by briCK
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: The Angry Hand of God on November 18, 2010, 01:42:28 PM
I had a little altercation with a Xhosa dude a while back.

Kid was about 19 or something.

It started with him being obnoxious around a couple of lesbian chicks who were drinking with me and my friends and talking about how they will never be acceptable to him as a man. He had apparently been to the mountain a while before that.

The chicks also happened to be Xhosa and the one started getting into a debate with him. I obviously couldn't understand it, but it ended with him threatening to beat her a** and her telling him he knows nothing about what it is to be a man.

All I was thinking was that if this is what it is to be a Xhosa man, I am glad I'm not one.

He asked me if I am snipped and I said no. He just said nothing and smirked.

Later he approaches the chick I'm with and starts getting all touchy feely. She tells him to f*** off and he starts swearing at her. I say nothing, cos she has quite a mouth on her too. I just sip my beer and remove my gla**es.

He tries to grab her breasts and she shoves him away.

This time I ask him to f*** off, very politely. He starts telling me how I am a boy and shouldn't talk to men and if he wants to take my woman he can.

So, this is where I hand the chick my gla**es to hold onto and make it very clear that I am about to stomp the shit out of him.

Unfortunately just as I am about to put my foot in his moouth his boy jumps in between and breaks up the fight and starts apologising, saying that dude is drunk and he leads him away.

Later they come around and he apologises, saying he is sorry, but I must learn to respect people's cultures.

So, is this Xhosa culture? I know a lot of mad cool Xhosa cats, but I have noticed that many of them tend to be very misogynistic and very judgemental of people who don't follow their way of doing things.

Its also not the first time I have been called a boy by someone who has been to the mountain, despite them being much younger than me. I have actually been forced to put my size tens into people's faces for just being plain disrespectful.

What is this?

Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: The Mighty Loks on November 18, 2010, 01:57:34 PM
^^^if u don't mind me asking, why don't you want to do the circumcision?

the question should be why do they want me to do circumcision? everybody who trying to explain why i need to do hasn't given me a good enough reason for me to do it.

Judging by your previous post you seem like a pretty traditional man, one that value your tradition more than religion or ‘Western world’ influences. You make reference to the fact that they covered your African attire with their jacket, which wasn’t altogether African and how there was so much reference to the Christian God which you feel is not appropriate for a traditional ceremony. So here’s a reason I think you should get circumcised, because it’s part of your Xhosa tradition. I mean if you’re such a firm believer in tradition then surely this being part of your tradition is something you should be more than happy to embark on. Or are you doing the same thing that you stand so highly in judgment of, which is isolating parts of your tradition, remixing them and making them suit you and your lifestyle? You seem to have a problem with the western world having so much influence yet you yourself aren’t following your tradition. Please do correct me if I’m wrong.

Nicely put but I disagree with you here.

Tradition/customs as they are, what you seem like you dont know, had in the pa**ed been "discussed and changed" accordingly where there was a need. One of the reasons being some unavoidable social changes or lack of access sometimes to certain things. i.e animal skins replaced by the current materials as you have seen the material Xhosa people use now for their attire. Even umqombhothi was never part of these ceremonies. Amasi was what was used in the pa**ed. You didn't know this either. Ukwaluka was started by a certain somebody too, not too sure if im at liberty to get into this though and also keep in mind that i have limited information in this subject.

At some point people totally neglected that just as society changes some things do require change too in order to have these custom maintain relevance to the people on that particular time that requires that change. This is not about being selective and wanting to be white. Total misconception from your part.

One old man who happens to be a Sangoma and share the same views on the change im talking about put summarized it like this "Lento kuthwa lisiko yintetho", if I understood him correctly he was stressing it that it comes from a persons mouth before it is what it is. He was stressing the point of how some customs had to be changed (through discussion) and why that change sometimes is necessary.

To a**ume that I'm picking and choosing because i think it suits me in the way that you have put it then you are totally wrong. Im sure there are some c***oms if you were born into you would find the need to question them when you feel their relavence and role in society and your life has no role or rather inconveniences the idea to building a position people with pride and a strong sense of what makes them who they are.


But then is this not the same type of logic that leads to the very same thing you complain of, where people pray to a Christian God at a traditional ceremony because that’s what society believes to be relevant? And who determines what stay and what goes because in my understating of the word tradition is something done by our father and forefathers and so on.
So which part of our society has made circumcision irrelevant for you? The part where 1 in 4 people are HIV positive and it’s proven that circumcision decreases the chances of contracting and spreading the disease. If anything I believe the current society we live in promotes circumcision.  So there you are, your tradition and your society both argue for circumcision, two reasons why you should be circumcised.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: The Angry Hand of God on November 18, 2010, 02:02:13 PM
Don't do it. It's all about an old guy who just wants to touch your wee wee.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: the panic! on November 18, 2010, 02:36:54 PM
So, is this Xhosa culture? I know a lot of mad cool Xhosa cats, but I have noticed that many of them tend to be very misogynistic and very judgemental of people who don't follow their way of doing things.

Its also not the first time I have been called a boy by someone who has been to the mountain, despite them being much younger than me. I have actually been forced to put my size tens into people's faces for just being plain disrespectful.

What is this?

no, that's just a 19 year old being a 19 year old.

i'm Xhosa and i went in, despite most people thinking i wouldn't since I AM WHITE BOY. I LIKE WHITE GIRLS AND WHITE DRUGS.

lol. joking.

anyway, i grew up in different parts of the country so i never really felt 'rooted' in any community, but when i went in, it quickly became the most profound experience i'd ever had.  it still is. just the amount of shit i discovered i was a part of; the explanations behind how certain things were; and the understanding of the men and women in Xhosa culture. how things have come along. and also being part of something that my grandfather and his father probably did; my grandmother and her mother probably knew. i received something i'll never part with there. and of course the love--this kind of debilitating and intense sense of love you feel projected towards you by your community. i've never felt anything, anything, like that. ever.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 18, 2010, 02:49:59 PM
anyway, i grew up in different parts of the country so i never really felt 'rooted' in any community, but when i went in, it quickly became the most profound experience i'd ever had.  it still is. just the amount of shit i discovered i was a part of; the explanations behind how certain things were; and the understanding of the men and women in Xhosa culture. how things have come along. and also being part of something that my grandfather and his father probably did; my grandmother and her mother probably knew. i received something i'll never part with there. and of course the love--this kind of debilitating and intense sense of love you feel projected towards you by your community. i've never felt anything, anything, like that. ever.

this makes you the second person in my entire life to say something that made me think i might consider it.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: the panic! on November 18, 2010, 02:57:01 PM
i feel you on what you're saying, too, bro.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 18, 2010, 03:18:41 PM
Ungumni Panic?
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: sero147 on November 18, 2010, 03:40:32 PM
well said panic, @ Nathaniel, it is the same thing you get from dudes who just spent 2 months in prison and they come out being the loudest 26/28 you have ever met.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Lord Deacon Of Frost on November 18, 2010, 04:13:24 PM
well said panic, @ Nathaniel, it is the same thing you get from dudes who just spent 2 months in prison and they come out being the loudest 26/28 you have ever met.

i remember kids in my area being shook of these lame who was popping of his mouth cos hed been in the pen, remember being uneasy too until a cousin of mine from outta town quietely pointed out that the nigga had a prison bitch tattoo on him, from then on man it was pure comedy i laughed at that fag everytime i saw him
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 18, 2010, 04:20:37 PM
well said panic, @ Nathaniel, it is the same thing you get from dudes who just spent 2 months in prison and they come out being the loudest 26/28 you have ever met.

i remember kids in my area being shook of these lame who was popping of his mouth cos hed been in the pen, remember being uneasy too until a cousin of mine from outta town quietely pointed out that the nigga had a prison bitch tattoo on him, from then on man it was pure comedy i laughed at that fag everytime i saw him

lol
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: The Angry Hand of God on November 18, 2010, 04:32:41 PM
I also had a boy who came out and acted like he was the biggest man on the block.

Shortly after another one of our boys came out, after being in for the second time and told us he wants nothing to do with a man who willingly got f***ed in jail.

Turns out dude was someone's wifey inside and all his tales of bravery were fantasy.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 18, 2010, 04:40:10 PM
had a great friend, my best friend at the time, he went for circumcision, when he came out he let me know the custom doesnt allow him to befriend him. the friendship ended like that. another very close friend of mine from way back did the same before him too. he told me he cannot befriend me after he returned from the bush.

any of you all dude mind commenting on this?
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: the panic! on November 18, 2010, 10:27:18 PM
Ungumni Panic?

ndingumNtlane, mfowethu!

a clan of chill a** mofos, if i do say so myself  ;D
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Killa Merc on November 19, 2010, 09:31:51 AM
Guys, how much do you drink? Is half a bottle in a day too much? Is this destructive lifestyle? How much sex is considered destructive lifestyle if one keeps it safe? is the issue messing up some girls by f*&*g them and leaving?
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: briCK on November 19, 2010, 09:46:55 AM
different people have different tolerance levels so you can't real put a blacket too much!

half a bottle of beer a day is distructive on your image...dude you can't finish a beer? MAN UP!
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Killa Merc on November 19, 2010, 10:38:59 AM
different people have different tolerance levels so you can't real put a blacket too much!

half a bottle of beer a day is distructive on your image...dude you can't finish a beer? MAN UP!

A bottle of whisky! This is based on someone's comment earlier about dudes hitting 3 in a day.  :o
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Touareg on November 25, 2010, 10:22:02 AM
had a great friend, my best friend at the time, he went for circumcision, when he came out he let me know the custom doesnt allow him to befriend him. the friendship ended like that. another very close friend of mine from way back did the same before him too. he told me he cannot befriend me after he returned from the bush.

any of you all dude mind commenting on this?

Simple...ikwekwe yinja... ;)

Its just a rule chap and its based on the fact you are now a man and are supposed to disa**ociate yourself with all things "boyish", Hence you get rid of all your old clothes and boyish habits (Imikhwa)

Plus you wont get the same respect from other men if ikwekwe ikubiza ngegama and you allow it...Imagine your boy callin you "Ta RR" or as you put it in CT "Bhuter" as he is supposed to...
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 25, 2010, 10:31:57 AM
had a great friend, my best friend at the time, he went for circumcision, when he came out he let me know the custom doesnt allow him to befriend him. the friendship ended like that. another very close friend of mine from way back did the same before him too. he told me he cannot befriend me after he returned from the bush.

any of you all dude mind commenting on this?

Simple...ikwekwe yinja... ;)

Its just a rule chap and its based on the fact you are now a man and are supposed to disa**ociate yourself with all things "boyish", Hence you get rid of all your old clothes and boyish habits (Imikhwa)

Plus you wont get the same respect from other men if ikwekwe ikubiza ngegama and you allow it...Imagine your boy callin you "Ta RR" or as you put it in CT "Bhuter" as he is supposed to...

I imagined something deep :-/

Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Touareg on November 25, 2010, 10:43:27 AM
had a great friend, my best friend at the time, he went for circumcision, when he came out he let me know the custom doesnt allow him to befriend him. the friendship ended like that. another very close friend of mine from way back did the same before him too. he told me he cannot befriend me after he returned from the bush.

any of you all dude mind commenting on this?

Simple...ikwekwe yinja... ;)

Its just a rule chap and its based on the fact you are now a man and are supposed to disa**ociate yourself with all things "boyish", Hence you get rid of all your old clothes and boyish habits (Imikhwa)

Plus you wont get the same respect from other men if ikwekwe ikubiza ngegama and you allow it...Imagine your boy callin you "Ta RR" or as you put it in CT "Bhuter" as he is supposed to...

I imagined something deep :-/

Nah nothin deep about it man...Its all ultimately about respect, and nothing's more important kuwe xa ulikrwala than respect...

If I may ask...how old are you bro? Have you ever lived in a township/village?
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 25, 2010, 11:04:06 AM
had a great friend, my best friend at the time, he went for circumcision, when he came out he let me know the custom doesnt allow him to befriend him. the friendship ended like that. another very close friend of mine from way back did the same before him too. he told me he cannot befriend me after he returned from the bush.

any of you all dude mind commenting on this?

Simple...ikwekwe yinja... ;)

Its just a rule chap and its based on the fact you are now a man and are supposed to disa**ociate yourself with all things "boyish", Hence you get rid of all your old clothes and boyish habits (Imikhwa)

Plus you wont get the same respect from other men if ikwekwe ikubiza ngegama and you allow it...Imagine your boy callin you "Ta RR" or as you put it in CT "Bhuter" as he is supposed to...

I imagined something deep :-/

Nah nothin deep about it man...Its all ultimately about respect, and nothing's more important kuwe xa ulikrwala than respect...

If I may ask...how old are you bro? Have you ever lived in a township/village?

I'm from the township, Gugs. I lived in a village for one year when I was seven. Im 30

Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Touareg on November 25, 2010, 11:23:44 AM
had a great friend, my best friend at the time, he went for circumcision, when he came out he let me know the custom doesnt allow him to befriend him. the friendship ended like that. another very close friend of mine from way back did the same before him too. he told me he cannot befriend me after he returned from the bush.

any of you all dude mind commenting on this?

Simple...ikwekwe yinja... ;)

Its just a rule chap and its based on the fact you are now a man and are supposed to disa**ociate yourself with all things "boyish", Hence you get rid of all your old clothes and boyish habits (Imikhwa)

Plus you wont get the same respect from other men if ikwekwe ikubiza ngegama and you allow it...Imagine your boy callin you "Ta RR" or as you put it in CT "Bhuter" as he is supposed to...

I imagined something deep :-/

Nah nothin deep about it man...Its all ultimately about respect, and nothing's more important kuwe xa ulikrwala than respect...

If I may ask...how old are you bro? Have you ever lived in a township/village?

I'm from the township, Gugs. I lived in a village for one year when I was seven. Im 30

This is strangeness to my mind...Cos one would think @ 30 and having spent time with Xhosas, you woulda realised the significance of ulwaluko...What about fam? havent your uncles,pops, big bro's or even friends spoken to you about this?

I don't get it...Werent you one of the cats who called Mad "Jwabulani"?

Look I'm not gon diss or judge I just wanna understand this...Cos personally I never questioned it, It was something I looked forward to after matric, Something That I not only HAD to do, but something I WANTED to do...It was my culture and that's it!

If I'm being personal forgive me bro, I just dont understand being a 30 Year old Xhosa boy...

BTW I've seen a 56 year old mkhwetha...not a good look! so might wanna check yourself...
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: LetsogoLaPlastik on November 25, 2010, 11:38:11 AM
had a great friend, my best friend at the time, he went for circumcision, when he came out he let me know the custom doesnt allow him to befriend him. the friendship ended like that. another very close friend of mine from way back did the same before him too. he told me he cannot befriend me after he returned from the bush.

any of you all dude mind commenting on this?

Simple...ikwekwe yinja... ;)

Its just a rule chap and its based on the fact you are now a man and are supposed to disa**ociate yourself with all things "boyish", Hence you get rid of all your old clothes and boyish habits (Imikhwa)

Plus you wont get the same respect from other men if ikwekwe ikubiza ngegama and you allow it...Imagine your boy callin you "Ta RR" or as you put it in CT "Bhuter" as he is supposed to...

I imagined something deep :-/

Nah nothin deep about it man...Its all ultimately about respect, and nothing's more important kuwe xa ulikrwala than respect...

If I may ask...how old are you bro? Have you ever lived in a township/village?

I'm from the township, Gugs. I lived in a village for one year when I was seven. Im 30

This is strangeness to my mind...Cos one would think @ 30 and having spent time with Xhosas, you woulda realised the significance of ulwaluko...What about fam? havent your uncles,pops, big bro's or even friends spoken to you about this?

I don't get it...Werent you one of the cats who called Mad "Jwabulani"?

Look I'm not gon diss or judge I just wanna understand this...Cos personally I never questioned it, It was something I looked forward to after matric, Something That I not only HAD to do, but something I WANTED to do...It was my culture and that's it!

If I'm being personal forgive me bro, I just dont understand being a 30 Year old Xhosa boy...

BTW I've seen a 56 year old mkhwetha...not a good look! so might wanna check yourself...


that was harsh, but RR might get kidnapped and get sent to the mountains......I know this other Sotho guy who got set up, niggas got him drunk...he woke up at the hills heheh
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Tonnes on November 25, 2010, 11:41:42 AM
@Touareg its not strange in Gugs/Nyanga/Crossroads/Langa...look at Fikile Mbalula.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 25, 2010, 11:46:31 AM

This is strangeness to my mind...Cos one would think @ 30 and having spent time with Xhosas, you woulda realised the significance of ulwaluko...What about fam? havent your uncles,pops, big bro's or even friends spoken to you about this?

I don't get it...Werent you one of the cats who called Mad "Jwabulani"?

Look I'm not gon diss or judge I just wanna understand this...Cos personally I never questioned it, It was something I looked forward to after matric, Something That I not only HAD to do, but something I WANTED to do...It was my culture and that's it!

If I'm being personal forgive me bro, I just dont understand being a 30 Year old Xhosa boy...

BTW I've seen a 56 year old mkhwetha...not a good look! so might wanna check yourself...

I thought it was no secret here on AG that Im Xhosa and never went for circumcision. I don't know how many times I've spoken about this here. I dont think I ever called Mad Jwabulani, if I did, you might have to maybe check the context at which I did.

To respond to the rest of what you said. Thats the thing with the Xhosa definition of manhood and respect, I don't relate to it at all. I respect a lot about my culture and I follow the customs and tradition now but the reasons explained to me as into why I should do it don't appeal to me at all.

I have just met my fathers side of the family for the first time, now i have to deal with his older brothers about this issue and i was told by one of them straight up that it will come to me being forced to do it. I've only met him about a month ago but this seems to be the most important/worrying issue for him. He strikes me as a good person but the authority in which he already thinks he has over me and that decision is really something else.

From both sides of the family, I know there will come a time where I will be caught sleeping. I'm sure you know what I mean.

I have made a decision to go though, that was after panic's comment. now choosing a side (father's or mothers) by which i should do is going to be a real challenge.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 25, 2010, 11:51:19 AM
it was something i looked forward to too. I still cant forget how sad i was when my younger cousin I grew up with went in first but i couldnt because of money issues. then by the time i was 19, my views on the custom had changed. I refused to go.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Touareg on November 25, 2010, 11:55:27 AM

This is strangeness to my mind...Cos one would think @ 30 and having spent time with Xhosas, you woulda realised the significance of ulwaluko...What about fam? havent your uncles,pops, big bro's or even friends spoken to you about this?

I don't get it...Werent you one of the cats who called Mad "Jwabulani"?

Look I'm not gon diss or judge I just wanna understand this...Cos personally I never questioned it, It was something I looked forward to after matric, Something That I not only HAD to do, but something I WANTED to do...It was my culture and that's it!

If I'm being personal forgive me bro, I just dont understand being a 30 Year old Xhosa boy...

BTW I've seen a 56 year old mkhwetha...not a good look! so might wanna check yourself...

I thought it was no secret here on AG that Im Xhosa and never went for circumcision. I don't know how many times I've spoken about this here. I dont think I ever called Mad Jwabulani, if I did, you might have to maybe check the context at which I did.

To respond to the rest of what you said. Thats the thing with the Xhosa definition of manhood and respect, I don't relate to it at all. I respect a lot about my culture and I follow the customs and tradition now but the reasons explained to me as into why I should do it don't appeal to me at all.

I have just met my fathers side of the family for the first time, now i have to deal with his older brothers about this issue and i was told by one of them straight up that it will come to me being forced to do it. I've only met him about a month ago but this seems to be the most important/worrying issue for him. He strikes me as a good person but the authority in which he already thinks he has over me and that decision is really something else.

From both sides of the family, I know there will come a time where I will be caught sleeping. I'm sure you know what I mean.

I have made a decision to go though, that was after panic's comment. now choosing a side (father's or mothers) by which i should do is going to be a real challenge.

Nuff said!!!

BTW December's here...Ndiyayivela lo ngcibi bawo!!! wophuk' umdlanga...
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 25, 2010, 12:00:47 PM
nah nigga, i cant just go this december, just mentioned that i have met my fathers side of the fam for the first time recently so theres still the issue of crossing over or not crossing over. then again, because of their religion certain parts of the custom are excluded so im not comfortable with that. its gonna be a tough one.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 25, 2010, 12:03:00 PM
lol @ Ta RR
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Touareg on November 25, 2010, 12:07:56 PM
nah nigga, i cant just go this december, just mentioned that i have met my fathers side of the fam for the first time recently so theres still the issue of crossing over or not crossing over. then again, because of their religion certain parts of the custom are excluded so im not comfortable with that. its gonna be a tough one.

Aight I hear you fam...Got clarity!
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: motley on November 25, 2010, 03:19:06 PM
If you a Christian don't do it, it's demonic period, it's ancestor worship. I regret having done it. In no way did it make me any more of a man. But there's a definite spiritual element to it, you might even have to visit sangomas before going there.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: LetsogoLaPlastik on November 25, 2010, 03:24:21 PM
If you a Christian don't do it, it's demonic period, it's ancestor worship. I regret having done it. In no way did it make me any more of a man. But there's a definite spiritual element to it, you might even have to visit sangomas before going there.

Bwahahahah 8).I respect your views though, used to think like this as a teenager untill I re-evaluated the "Gospel"
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 25, 2010, 03:26:47 PM
If you a Christian don't do it, it's demonic period, it's ancestor worship. I regret having done it. In no way did it make me any more of a man. But there's a definite spiritual element to it, you might even have to visit sangomas before going there.

nc nc nc.

Im not christian
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 25, 2010, 03:29:10 PM
So Xhosa men wouldnt befriend Xhosa boys on FB?

































no pyro  ;D
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: briCK on November 25, 2010, 03:30:26 PM
If you a Christian don't do it, it's demonic period, it's ancestor worship. I regret having done it. In no way did it make me any more of a man. But there's a definite spiritual element to it, you might even have to visit sangomas before going there.

For the life of me I don't understand how the whiteman pulled this shit off!


Practices which were the way of life DECADES before the arrival of whites have our blacks turning they backs on a way of living older than they ansestors and embrace....the SAME thing packaged different..

We belived that our Ansestors are the only people who can speak to God so we speak to him through them by "speaking" to a person who is not physically tangible!

Is that not EXACTLY what Christains do ...Jesus IS an ansestor and "the only to my father is through me!" is something that was uttered...no one sees him physicaly so they "speak" to a person who is not physically tangible...
when packaged by white missioraies it demonic ancestor worship if its packaged by white men in dresses its Religion.


I SERIOUSLY am dissaopinted by blacks! othathekile!



but to each they own....comming from a family of sangomas and nyanga i will punch a person in the mouth if they refer to that way of life as demonic!
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 25, 2010, 03:39:53 PM
If you a Christian don't do it, it's demonic period, it's ancestor worship. I regret having done it. In no way did it make me any more of a man. But there's a definite spiritual element to it, you might even have to visit sangomas before going there.

For the life of me I don't understand how the whiteman pulled this shit off!


Practices which were the way of life DECADES before the arrival of whites have our blacks turning they backs on a way of living older than they ansestors and embrace....the SAME thing packaged different..

We belived that our Ansestors are the only people who can speak to God so we speak to him through them by "speaking" to a person who is not physically tangible!

Is that not EXACTLY what Christains do ...Jesus IS an ansestor and "the only to my father is through me!" is something that was uttered...no one sees him physicaly so they "speak" to a person who is not physically tangible...
when packaged by white missioraies it demonic ancestor worship if its packaged by white men in dresses its Religion.


I SERIOUSLY am dissaopinted by blacks! othathekile!



but to each they own....comming from a family of sangomas and nyanga i will punch a person in the mouth if they refer to that way of life as demonic!

www.iqiniso.com/camagu

Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: sero147 on November 25, 2010, 03:39:54 PM
@ RR, good that you have made the decision to go my man, a dude i know who was also on the same mental as you wanted to get married and in his case he was a person in the public eye and so most people knew about him not wanting to get circumcised... come the time for lobola negotiations the girls family tells him and his entourage "ayikho into esizoyi thetha nenkwenkwe"... so my man if you trying to get married to xhosa chick best get your story on point
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 25, 2010, 03:43:14 PM
@ RR, good that you have made the decision to go my man, a dude i know who was also on the same mental as you wanted to get married and in his case he was a person in the public eye and so most people knew about him not wanting to get circumcised... come the time for lobola negotiations the girls family tells him and his entourage "ayikho into esizoyi thetha nenkwenkwe"... so my man if you trying to get married to xhosa chick best get your story on point

well, with the world blessed with so many beautiful women from different walks of life and religions why would I limit myself to Xhosa women :)

I've always known this my brother.

Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: sero147 on November 25, 2010, 03:48:45 PM
@ RR, good that you have made the decision to go my man, a dude i know who was also on the same mental as you wanted to get married and in his case he was a person in the public eye and so most people knew about him not wanting to get circumcised... come the time for lobola negotiations the girls family tells him and his entourage "ayikho into esizoyi thetha nenkwenkwe"... so my man if you trying to get married to xhosa chick best get your story on point

well, with the world blessed with so many beautiful women from different walks of life and religions why would I limit myself to Xhosa women :)

I've always known this my brother.
naboke ubukwenkwe buzi veza, if you read my post carefully it says "if you are trying to get married to a xhosa chick"
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 25, 2010, 03:57:24 PM
@ RR, good that you have made the decision to go my man, a dude i know who was also on the same mental as you wanted to get married and in his case he was a person in the public eye and so most people knew about him not wanting to get circumcised... come the time for lobola negotiations the girls family tells him and his entourage "ayikho into esizoyi thetha nenkwenkwe"... so my man if you trying to get married to xhosa chick best get your story on point

well, with the world blessed with so many beautiful women from different walks of life and religions why would I limit myself to Xhosa women :)

I've always known this my brother.
naboke ubukwenkwe buzi veza, if you read my post carefully it says "if you are trying to get married to a xhosa chick"

dude you know how it easy it is to have a xhosa man catch feelings if i dared insult his manhood. i'd say just be careful there, don't be reckless with your words. i'll let this one pa** since you're not waylander. plus its not in me to have an argument over such childish comments.





Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Last of the old AG Hittaz on November 25, 2010, 11:49:45 PM
As this subject is about kids gone bad, anyone remember the movie "Kids"?
As a reminder, some of those kids were under the age of 18, and they
smoked, drank, had sex and did other mess. In reality, some of the
kids that stared in the film are alive while most of them have died. The film
may have somewhat been scripted but most of them were really like the
characters they portrayed.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Boss on November 26, 2010, 02:13:05 PM
@RR- ntwana yam, yiya kuba unceda wena. qha qwaba!
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 26, 2010, 02:20:28 PM
@RR- ntwana yam, yiya kuba unceda wena. qha qwaba!

hahaha. sure Ta-Boss.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Waylander on November 26, 2010, 02:30:48 PM
^^^if u don't mind me asking, why don't you want to do the circumcision?

the question should be why do they want me to do circumcision? everybody who trying to explain why i need to do hasn't given me a good enough reason for me to do it.

So awuzokoluka chief? nja!!

case in point

Uyinja ke qha... four nyawo... juvi.. janki... usi skapi njandini.. masende'bhokhwe..if you pm me a pic of ijwabu(foreskin) yakho ill deposit R50 into your bank account!! Its been a while since ndilibona...
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Waylander on November 26, 2010, 02:35:15 PM
@ RR, good that you have made the decision to go my man, a dude i know who was also on the same mental as you wanted to get married and in his case he was a person in the public eye and so most people knew about him not wanting to get circumcised... come the time for lobola negotiations the girls family tells him and his entourage "ayikho into esizoyi thetha nenkwenkwe"... so my man if you trying to get married to xhosa chick best get your story on point

well, with the world blessed with so many beautiful women from different walks of life and religions why would I limit myself to Xhosa women :)

I've always known this my brother.
naboke ubukwenkwe buzi veza, if you read my post carefully it says "if you are trying to get married to a xhosa chick"

dude you know how it easy it is to have a xhosa man catch feelings if i dared insult his manhood. i'd say just be careful there, don't be reckless with your words. i'll let this one pa** since you're not waylander. plus its not in me to have an argument over such childish comments.

Hey voetsek kwedini!! zuphinde uthethe nam xa ubomvu qha ngoku... andithethi namakhwenkwe xa kusiyiwa kwi festive..its part of my detox plan...
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 26, 2010, 02:40:02 PM
^^^if u don't mind me asking, why don't you want to do the circumcision?

the question should be why do they want me to do circumcision? everybody who trying to explain why i need to do hasn't given me a good enough reason for me to do it.

So awuzokoluka chief? nja!!

case in point

Uyinja ke qha... four nyawo... juvi.. janki... usi skapi njandini.. masende'bhokhwe..if you pm me a pic of ijwabu(foreskin) yakho ill deposit R50 into your bank account!! Its been a while since ndilibona...

no manhood characteristics to shine on that you are so desperate and dumb to try to find it under the shade of my foreskin.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Waylander on November 26, 2010, 02:56:37 PM
^^^if u don't mind me asking, why don't you want to do the circumcision?

the question should be why do they want me to do circumcision? everybody who trying to explain why i need to do hasn't given me a good enough reason for me to do it.

So awuzokoluka chief? nja!!

case in point

Uyinja ke qha... four nyawo... juvi.. janki... usi skapi njandini.. masende'bhokhwe..if you pm me a pic of ijwabu(foreskin) yakho ill deposit R50 into your bank account!! Its been a while since ndilibona...


no manhood characteristics to shine on that you are so desperate and dumb to try to find it under the shade of my foreskin.


Huh?

Dont know what that was suppozd to be.. But whatever you intended it to be, it didnt work...
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 26, 2010, 03:01:06 PM
^^^if u don't mind me asking, why don't you want to do the circumcision?

the question should be why do they want me to do circumcision? everybody who trying to explain why i need to do hasn't given me a good enough reason for me to do it.

So awuzokoluka chief? nja!!

case in point

Uyinja ke qha... four nyawo... juvi.. janki... usi skapi njandini.. masende'bhokhwe..if you pm me a pic of ijwabu(foreskin) yakho ill deposit R50 into your bank account!! Its been a while since ndilibona...


no manhood characteristics to shine on that you are so desperate and dumb to try to find it under the shade of my foreskin.


Huh?

Dont know what that was suppozd to be.. But whatever you intended it to be, it didnt work...

ask a real man to translate it for you little boy.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Boss on November 26, 2010, 03:03:42 PM
He waylander go easy on kid...rather shut ur faggotory, "i was admitted to barraguanath hosptal when i was circumcised" mouth up coz u only being sarcastic when u shouldnt be u dumb f***. rather give constructive criticism or useful advice and prove that u worthy enough to be called "bra"

ftsek ngohlekisa man.

*kills a person trying to xpress his anger*
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Touareg on November 26, 2010, 03:08:31 PM
^^^if u don't mind me asking, why don't you want to do the circumcision?

the question should be why do they want me to do circumcision? everybody who trying to explain why i need to do hasn't given me a good enough reason for me to do it.

So awuzokoluka chief? nja!!

case in point

Uyinja ke qha... four nyawo... juvi.. janki... usi skapi njandini.. masende'bhokhwe..if you pm me a pic of ijwabu(foreskin) yakho ill deposit R50 into your bank account!! Its been a while since ndilibona...


no manhood characteristics to shine on that you are so desperate and dumb to try to find it under the shade of my foreskin.


Huh?

Dont know what that was suppozd to be.. But whatever you intended it to be, it didnt work...

ask a real man to translate it for you little boy.

This is quickly getting out of line...Not cool!!!
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Waylander on November 26, 2010, 03:18:17 PM
He waylander go easy on kid...rather shut ur faggotory, "i was admitted to barraguanath hosptal when i was circumcised" mouth up coz u only being sarcastic when u shouldnt be u dumb f***. rather give constructive criticism or useful advice and prove that u worthy enough to be called "bra"

ftsek ngohlekisa man.

*kills a person trying to xpress his anger*

The less said the better...
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Waylander on November 26, 2010, 03:19:54 PM
^^^if u don't mind me asking, why don't you want to do the circumcision?

the question should be why do they want me to do circumcision? everybody who trying to explain why i need to do hasn't given me a good enough reason for me to do it.

So awuzokoluka chief? nja!!

case in point

Uyinja ke qha... four nyawo... juvi.. janki... usi skapi njandini.. masende'bhokhwe..if you pm me a pic of ijwabu(foreskin) yakho ill deposit R50 into your bank account!! Its been a while since ndilibona...


no manhood characteristics to shine on that you are so desperate and dumb to try to find it under the shade of my foreskin.


Huh?

Dont know what that was suppozd to be.. But whatever you intended it to be, it didnt work...

ask a real man to translate it for you little boy.

This is quickly getting out of line...Not cool!!!

Mna ndizothethelelwa ngu mkhonto nembabala qha... ndigqibile...
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Mrs Jones on November 26, 2010, 06:14:46 PM
^^^if u don't mind me asking, why don't you want to do the circumcision?

the question should be why do they want me to do circumcision? everybody who trying to explain why i need to do hasn't given me a good enough reason for me to do it.

So awuzokoluka chief? nja!!

case in point

Uyinja ke qha... four nyawo... juvi.. janki... usi skapi njandini.. masende'bhokhwe..if you pm me a pic of ijwabu(foreskin) yakho ill deposit R50 into your bank account!! Its been a while since ndilibona...


no manhood characteristics to shine on that you are so desperate and dumb to try to find it under the shade of my foreskin.


Huh?

Dont know what that was suppozd to be.. But whatever you intended it to be, it didnt work...

ask a real man to translate it for you little boy.

This is quickly getting out of line...Not cool!!!
Tl tl tl tl tl I was waiting for this, lmao! that train is never late!
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Lord Deacon Of Frost on November 26, 2010, 07:42:06 PM
this is getting chikdish, we had a cow @ the crib about 2 months back, I had to break up a brawl between to cats because the other one accused the other of being a "boy" how old were these cats u ask, they were in their 50s. smh @ deac having to put an old f*** in a joint lock. sometimes u gotta walk away from the bullshit seriously
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: briCK on November 27, 2010, 02:17:30 PM
Lol old people beef kills me, in his 90s my gandfather would tell "biza loya mfana" he would talking bout a 70 year old who has grand kids! I'd lol and call the 70 year old "boy" death by laughter!
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: A pimp named Sarkozy on November 29, 2010, 09:01:44 AM
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In the article “Cultural warriors are not rational” (City Press 2 August 2009), Andile Mngxitama seems to be disgusted by the “slave mentality” that induces Africans to “kill young men in the name of a mythical and idiotic thing called manhood”. He suspects “this madness is a result of spiritual and material dispossession” that resulted in our “backwardness, fear, superstition and irrationality”

A belief system as an aspect of culture is a subject that has over time intrigued anthropologists. It is simply repeated, learned and acquired behaviour that sometimes consolidates into rituals. These rituals need not be “rational” or scientific. Nor do they have to be “proven” in newspaper columns or academic platforms for them to be accepted. Those who may have an affinity to impose Karl Marx’s statements where they least apply may be interested to find out why Marx never cut his beard in the first place.

Belief systems are critically important for group affiliation, social acceptance and self-affirmation. The rejection and social sanction against those who despise our way of life is what sometimes compels inkwenkwe to join his peers entabeni against the wish and readiness of his parents.

All societies have their share of “irrationality and idiocy”. There is for instance nothing “rational” in shaking hands; covering your body for decency and walk naked in the beach among the same people; shaving your head and beard hoping to be handsome. But no matter how idiotic it sounds, no American male candidate would win a presidential election with a face hidden under a forest of hair and beard. It makes me wonder if it is the same concept of rationality that makes Mngxitama not to wear skirts.

Granted, some aspects of cultural practice could be dangerous. Yet the beauty of culture may be located in that very same quality. Europeans spend valuable time fighting and sometimes killing or getting killed by bulls. I have yet to hear someone screaming about the idiocy and cruelty caused to animals by this culture.

Car racing, rugby or boxing are all “dangerous” and perhaps “idiotic” sports. But “rational” people call not for their abolition but regulation. By the same token, stringent regulation and control of ulwaluko must be imposed to curb the deaths that have the effect of drowning the social importance of the practice. Amakhwenkwe are never meant to be killed at the mountain – ayadlangwa. If we were to heed the socially reckless call to abolish ulwaluko because of the “neglect and incompetence” visiting the practice, there would be no public hospitals today.

The cut is a small aspect of ulwaluko. It is a powerful institution where you learn the values of ubuntu. That is also where the writer learned to be an African and umJwarha. I came to appreciate the knowledge of science by the indigenous people. Umkhwetha smears lime (calcium carbonate) all over his body. This substance has anti-perspirant and anti-deodorant properties, which account for why umkhwetha does not have a foul smell despite not washing for months. It also serves as a sunscreen.

I doubt if anybody could be proud of ridiculing Africans for lack of originality by wearing “Czechoslovakian beads” and eating “Latin American maize” as though there is nothing African these nations are using. They are using our mathematical formulas, singing our jazz and eating our meat. They are still colonising our artifacts in their museums. Be that as it might, we traded with other nations on equal par long before Christ was born. We were not done any favours.

Sadly, Africans are often the first to attack their own value systems in such exaggerated viciousness as would make Verwoerd turn green with envy in his grave. We are the first to distort and attack ilobola as reducing women to commodities when it has nothing of the sort in its undiluted version. We are so obsessed with departing from ourselves that we even walk, talk, laugh and eat in the manner and style of other people. Talk about slave mentality"
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: A pimp named Sarkozy on November 29, 2010, 09:08:16 AM
^^^if u don't mind me asking, why don't you want to do the circumcision?

the question should be why do they want me to do circumcision? everybody who trying to explain why i need to do hasn't given me a good enough reason for me to do it.

So awuzokoluka chief? nja!!

case in point

Uyinja ke qha... four nyawo... juvi.. janki... usi skapi njandini.. masende'bhokhwe..if you pm me a pic of ijwabu(foreskin) yakho ill deposit R50 into your bank account!! Its been a while since ndilibona...

Or Fotyela!! ;) anyway waylander its not hows its done now!! You wont get nothing out of it if spew venom n calling out names!! You get a brandy or whisky without asking for it!!

Now they have these circumcision schools at the back, at their father's Garages Smh! and listening to lil wayne!! ::)

Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 29, 2010, 10:55:03 AM
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In the article “Cultural warriors are not rational” (City Press 2 August 2009), Andile Mngxitama seems to be disgusted by the “slave mentality” that induces Africans to “kill young men in the name of a mythical and idiotic thing called manhood”. He suspects “this madness is a result of spiritual and material dispossession” that resulted in our “backwardness, fear, superstition and irrationality”

A belief system as an aspect of culture is a subject that has over time intrigued anthropologists. It is simply repeated, learned and acquired behaviour that sometimes consolidates into rituals. These rituals need not be “rational” or scientific. Nor do they have to be “proven” in newspaper columns or academic platforms for them to be accepted. Those who may have an affinity to impose Karl Marx’s statements where they least apply may be interested to find out why Marx never cut his beard in the first place.

Belief systems are critically important for group affiliation, social acceptance and self-affirmation. The rejection and social sanction against those who despise our way of life is what sometimes compels inkwenkwe to join his peers entabeni against the wish and readiness of his parents.

All societies have their share of “irrationality and idiocy”. There is for instance nothing “rational” in shaking hands; covering your body for decency and walk naked in the beach among the same people; shaving your head and beard hoping to be handsome. But no matter how idiotic it sounds, no American male candidate would win a presidential election with a face hidden under a forest of hair and beard. It makes me wonder if it is the same concept of rationality that makes Mngxitama not to wear skirts.

Granted, some aspects of cultural practice could be dangerous. Yet the beauty of culture may be located in that very same quality. Europeans spend valuable time fighting and sometimes killing or getting killed by bulls. I have yet to hear someone screaming about the idiocy and cruelty caused to animals by this culture.

Car racing, rugby or boxing are all “dangerous” and perhaps “idiotic” sports. But “rational” people call not for their abolition but regulation. By the same token, stringent regulation and control of ulwaluko must be imposed to curb the deaths that have the effect of drowning the social importance of the practice. Amakhwenkwe are never meant to be killed at the mountain – ayadlangwa. If we were to heed the socially reckless call to abolish ulwaluko because of the “neglect and incompetence” visiting the practice, there would be no public hospitals today.

The cut is a small aspect of ulwaluko. It is a powerful institution where you learn the values of ubuntu. That is also where the writer learned to be an African and umJwarha. I came to appreciate the knowledge of science by the indigenous people. Umkhwetha smears lime (calcium carbonate) all over his body. This substance has anti-perspirant and anti-deodorant properties, which account for why umkhwetha does not have a foul smell despite not washing for months. It also serves as a sunscreen.

I doubt if anybody could be proud of ridiculing Africans for lack of originality by wearing “Czechoslovakian beads” and eating “Latin American maize” as though there is nothing African these nations are using. They are using our mathematical formulas, singing our jazz and eating our meat. They are still colonising our artifacts in their museums. Be that as it might, we traded with other nations on equal par long before Christ was born. We were not done any favours.

Sadly, Africans are often the first to attack their own value systems in such exaggerated viciousness as would make Verwoerd turn green with envy in his grave. We are the first to distort and attack ilobola as reducing women to commodities when it has nothing of the sort in its undiluted version. We are so obsessed with departing from ourselves that we even walk, talk, laugh and eat in the manner and style of other people. Talk about slave mentality"

The real problem is education, our elders don't educate us on these things which is why the western education easily influence the way we see our beliefs and customs. Even most circumcised Xhosas dont seem recognise the "science" in our practices. even in politics of black consciousness I have never heard any african political system being referenced when talking of possible political solutions.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Blizzard on November 29, 2010, 11:12:32 AM
^^^if u don't mind me asking, why don't you want to do the circumcision?

the question should be why do they want me to do circumcision? everybody who trying to explain why i need to do hasn't given me a good enough reason for me to do it.

So awuzokoluka chief? nja!!

case in point

Uyinja ke qha... four nyawo... juvi.. janki... usi skapi njandini.. masende'bhokhwe..if you pm me a pic of ijwabu(foreskin) yakho ill deposit R50 into your bank account!! Its been a while since ndilibona...

Or Fotyela!! ;) anyway waylander its not hows its done now!! You wont get nothing out of it if spew venom n calling out names!! You get a brandy or whisky without asking for it!!

Now they have these circumcision schools at the back, at their father's Garages Smh! and listening to lil wayne!! ::)

hee madoda....umntu ongolukanga uqale nini uba ngu " Fotyela" ngoku?  bendisazi ukuba unofotyela ngunotywetywe ( someone who ended up in hospital coz he culd not take the heat)!!! and oh yeah f*** Andile!!!!
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: motley on November 29, 2010, 03:34:49 PM
Christianity has nothing to do with race. The fact that the missionaries that propagated the religion in South Africa were white does not discredit the truths in the bible. If you read your history, you'll learn not all of them were on good terms with the colony. Missionaries like Dr van der Kemp lived with the Xhosa in their way of life. Xhosa spirituality has always had gaps, like on what happens on the after life, some were filled by the Khoi before the missionaries. The issue of faith is complex, please do not make uninformed statements stemming from an ignorant and often contrived afrocentric perspective.

As one who went through the ritual, I know the effect it had on my spirit, long after I had been circumsised.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: the panic! on November 29, 2010, 03:38:41 PM
The real problem is education, our elders don't educate us on these things which is why the western education easily influence the way we see our beliefs and customs. Even most circumcised Xhosas dont seem recognise the "science" in our practices. even in politics of black consciousness I have never heard any african political system being referenced when talking of possible political solutions.

i call it "The Conspiracy of Cultural Silence"

from the pre-apartheid era to the present, black parents and elders don't say shit!

and then they hate me when i'm down in Cape Town doing blow off white girl tittays.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: The Angry Hand of God on November 29, 2010, 03:40:59 PM
I bet I could beat the shit out of Jesus. Damn baby acting like his shit don't stink.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: LetsogoLaPlastik on November 29, 2010, 03:47:56 PM
I bet I could beat the shit out of Jesus. Damn baby acting like his shit don't stink.

Who is this directed to??Waylander/motley/panic?
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Anna Sasin on November 29, 2010, 03:54:36 PM
Christianity has nothing to do with race. The fact that the missionaries that propagated the religion in South Africa were white does not discredit the truths in the bible. If you read your history, you'll learn not all of them were on good terms with the colony. Missionaries like Dr van der Kemp lived with the Xhosa in their way of life. Xhosa spirituality has always had gaps, like on what happens on the after life, some were filled by the Khoi before the missionaries. The issue of faith is complex, please do not make uninformed statements stemming from an ignorant and often contrived afrocentric perspective.

As one who went through the ritual, I know the effect it had on my spirit, long after I had been circumsised.

You make some good points, but its obvious you are very religious, so your default position will be that Christianity is the whole truth with no 'gaps'. This thing of mixing cultural beliefs and Christianity (if you're a born-again believer) obviously causes trauma.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 29, 2010, 03:58:08 PM
Christianity has nothing to do with race. The fact that the missionaries that propagated the religion in South Africa were white does not discredit the truths in the bible. If you read your history, you'll learn not all of them were on good terms with the colony. Missionaries like Dr van der Kemp lived with the Xhosa in their way of life. Xhosa spirituality has always had gaps, like on what happens on the after life, some were filled by the Khoi before the missionaries. The issue of faith is complex, please do not make uninformed statements stemming from an ignorant and often contrived afrocentric perspective.

As one who went through the ritual, I know the effect it had on my spirit, long after I had been circumsised.

You make some good points, but its obvious you are very religious, so your default position will be that Christianity is the whole truth with no 'gaps'. This thing of mixing cultural beliefs and Christianity (if you're a born-again believer) obviously causes trauma.

:)


Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Waylander on November 29, 2010, 04:01:41 PM
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In the article “Cultural warriors are not rational” (City Press 2 August 2009), Andile Mngxitama seems to be disgusted by the “slave mentality” that induces Africans to “kill young men in the name of a mythical and idiotic thing called manhood”. He suspects “this madness is a result of spiritual and material dispossession” that resulted in our “backwardness, fear, superstition and irrationality”

A belief system as an aspect of culture is a subject that has over time intrigued anthropologists. It is simply repeated, learned and acquired behaviour that sometimes consolidates into rituals. These rituals need not be “rational” or scientific. Nor do they have to be “proven” in newspaper columns or academic platforms for them to be accepted. Those who may have an affinity to impose Karl Marx’s statements where they least apply may be interested to find out why Marx never cut his beard in the first place.

Belief systems are critically important for group affiliation, social acceptance and self-affirmation. The rejection and social sanction against those who despise our way of life is what sometimes compels inkwenkwe to join his peers entabeni against the wish and readiness of his parents.

All societies have their share of “irrationality and idiocy”. There is for instance nothing “rational” in shaking hands; covering your body for decency and walk naked in the beach among the same people; shaving your head and beard hoping to be handsome. But no matter how idiotic it sounds, no American male candidate would win a presidential election with a face hidden under a forest of hair and beard. It makes me wonder if it is the same concept of rationality that makes Mngxitama not to wear skirts.

Granted, some aspects of cultural practice could be dangerous. Yet the beauty of culture may be located in that very same quality. Europeans spend valuable time fighting and sometimes killing or getting killed by bulls. I have yet to hear someone screaming about the idiocy and cruelty caused to animals by this culture.

Car racing, rugby or boxing are all “dangerous” and perhaps “idiotic” sports. But “rational” people call not for their abolition but regulation. By the same token, stringent regulation and control of ulwaluko must be imposed to curb the deaths that have the effect of drowning the social importance of the practice. Amakhwenkwe are never meant to be killed at the mountain – ayadlangwa. If we were to heed the socially reckless call to abolish ulwaluko because of the “neglect and incompetence” visiting the practice, there would be no public hospitals today.

The cut is a small aspect of ulwaluko. It is a powerful institution where you learn the values of ubuntu. That is also where the writer learned to be an African and umJwarha. I came to appreciate the knowledge of science by the indigenous people. Umkhwetha smears lime (calcium carbonate) all over his body. This substance has anti-perspirant and anti-deodorant properties, which account for why umkhwetha does not have a foul smell despite not washing for months. It also serves as a sunscreen.

I doubt if anybody could be proud of ridiculing Africans for lack of originality by wearing “Czechoslovakian beads” and eating “Latin American maize” as though there is nothing African these nations are using. They are using our mathematical formulas, singing our jazz and eating our meat. They are still colonising our artifacts in their museums. Be that as it might, we traded with other nations on equal par long before Christ was born. We were not done any favours.

Sadly, Africans are often the first to attack their own value systems in such exaggerated viciousness as would make Verwoerd turn green with envy in his grave. We are the first to distort and attack ilobola as reducing women to commodities when it has nothing of the sort in its undiluted version. We are so obsessed with departing from ourselves that we even walk, talk, laugh and eat in the manner and style of other people. Talk about slave mentality"

After reading the highlighted part i immediately lost interest in the rest of the article..

Just one question thou.. U Andile lo yikwekwe na? Kauz if he a man, why is he saying this shit(he bein a hypocrite)... And if uyikwekwe, what the f*** does he know?
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Waylander on November 29, 2010, 04:04:02 PM
^^^if u don't mind me asking, why don't you want to do the circumcision?

the question should be why do they want me to do circumcision? everybody who trying to explain why i need to do hasn't given me a good enough reason for me to do it.

So awuzokoluka chief? nja!!

case in point

Uyinja ke qha... four nyawo... juvi.. janki... usi skapi njandini.. masende'bhokhwe..if you pm me a pic of ijwabu(foreskin) yakho ill deposit R50 into your bank account!! Its been a while since ndilibona...

Or Fotyela!! ;) anyway waylander its not hows its done now!! You wont get nothing out of it if spew venom n calling out names!! You get a brandy or whisky without asking for it!!

Now they have these circumcision schools at the back, at their father's Garages Smh! and listening to lil wayne!! ::)

hee madoda....umntu ongolukanga uqale nini uba ngu " Fotyela" ngoku?  bendisazi ukuba unofotyela ngunotywetywe ( someone who ended up in hospital coz he culd not take the heat)!!! and oh yeah Fuck Andile!!!!

This...
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 29, 2010, 04:04:39 PM
Christianity has nothing to do with race. The fact that the missionaries that propagated the religion in South Africa were white does not discredit the truths in the bible. If you read your history, you'll learn not all of them were on good terms with the colony. Missionaries like Dr van der Kemp lived with the Xhosa in their way of life. Xhosa spirituality has always had gaps, like on what happens on the after life, some were filled by the Khoi before the missionaries. The issue of faith is complex, please do not make uninformed statements stemming from an ignorant and often contrived afrocentric perspective.

As one who went through the ritual, I know the effect it had on my spirit, long after I had been circumsised.

Had we had as much cultural education as we had had Christian/Western culture forced on us you wouldn't have to have to call what you don't know yet about life a "gap". What you don't know you probably shouldn't know. What I can tell you if you get to a point where u getting close to know more than you should, somebody will let you know.

Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Tonnes on November 29, 2010, 04:11:55 PM
f*** this Andile Mgximata dude.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Lord Deacon Of Frost on November 29, 2010, 04:24:55 PM
well atleast ag agrees on one thing for a change that this andile dude can go f*** himself
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 29, 2010, 04:28:01 PM
well atleast ag agrees on one thing for a change that this andile dude can go f*** himself

tltltl
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on November 29, 2010, 05:12:26 PM
The real problem is education, our elders don't educate us on these things which is why the western education easily influence the way we see our beliefs and customs. Even most circumcised Xhosas dont seem recognise the "science" in our practices. even in politics of black consciousness I have never heard any african political system being referenced when talking of possible political solutions.

i call it "The Conspiracy of Cultural Silence"

from the pre-apartheid era to the present, black parents and elders don't say shit!

and then they hate me when i'm down in Cape Town doing blow off white girl tittays.

lol

possible solution?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHNV6_v8ha4
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: the panic! on November 29, 2010, 07:54:46 PM
The real problem is education, our elders don't educate us on these things which is why the western education easily influence the way we see our beliefs and customs. Even most circumcised Xhosas dont seem recognise the "science" in our practices. even in politics of black consciousness I have never heard any african political system being referenced when talking of possible political solutions.

i call it "The Conspiracy of Cultural Silence"

from the pre-apartheid era to the present, black parents and elders don't say shit!

and then they hate me when i'm down in Cape Town doing blow off white girl tittays.

lol

possible solution?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHNV6_v8ha4

WOW.

thanks for the heads up on this.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on December 03, 2010, 12:43:56 PM
Andile Mngxitama will be on 702 tonight at 22:00 talking about circumcision.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Blizzard on December 03, 2010, 03:47:42 PM
Andile Mngxitama will be on 702 tonight at 22:00 talking about circumcision.

WOW, thats great, so he will be talking to a white middle cla** audience about circumcision!!!!
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on December 03, 2010, 04:05:09 PM
Andile Mngxitama will be on 702 tonight at 22:00 talking about circumcision.

WOW, thats great, so he will be talking to a white middle cla** audience about circumcision!!!!

basically. tltltl
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: RearrangedReality on December 03, 2010, 11:31:01 PM
Andile handled it very well. you had some really good points. I was really expecting him to drop some ignorance but he didnt.
Title: Re: Destructive lifestyles by the youth
Post by: Lord Deacon Of Frost on December 04, 2010, 07:35:22 AM
the nigga knew we had that ether locked and loaded for him