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Other => Politics => Topic started by: afterbirth on June 13, 2005, 12:04:41 PM
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don't know if the president while on the net frequents africasgateway- if he does or if anyone can communicate this message to him, i say fire zuma now! :evil:
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so called leader of moral regeneration, his name is too tainted for him to become or even to nurse hopes of ever leading this country. They must not check out that whole french arms thing and see if it was done legally as well!but for zuma he must get out of politics!!
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youth league runnin around like a bunch of idiots
dem oppurtunists
talk about being on ones dick.
DEM>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Zuma needs a prison. That's what. If he gets fired he'' just get hired for sumthn els, he'll just hav a lower means. I think the notion of justice in the=is country is a joke.
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he better retire and save the state the money needed to bring him to trial. Better to step down disgraced than to do that jail time (again). Also have a feeling Shaik and his brothers would turn and testify against him to save his(Shaik's) slimy a**.
did you make that funny J-Z thread? ha ha
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Zuma needs a prison. That's what. If he gets fired he'' just get hired for sumthn els, he'll just hav a lower means. I think the notion of justice in the=is country is a joke.
you need a fair trial before you throw people in prison. I thought that was the basis of justice. :roll:
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corrupt officials means a corrupt govenrment this f***ers need to be booted this aint the 70s where we want a dude empowered just cos he is black we want leaders with morals not a bunch of money hungry retards
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This damn government. gets to me. The mor I learn and open my eyes, the more i hate being here. The only developmental progress that happens within communities (that i've noticed here in CPT) comes from the communities themselves. The few projects that have been govenrment sponsored or initiated need heavy support from community created and run projects. It's a pity there anren't enough people trying to make a change. I'll be one of the few after I get my degree. YEY is coming (Youth Empowring Youth).
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don't know if the president while on the net frequents africasgateway- if he does or if anyone can communicate this message to him, i say fire zuma now!
it seems as if he heard your message. The media says he'll be fired today @ 2pm - live on TV & Radio. The nation cant wait to hear his decision.
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He has been fired.
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He has been fired.
Shooo, finally.
so he really does frequent the AG forums. :D
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Yes that's true, Zuma is out. I was listening to the President addressing parliament on the radio. For a moment I thought he was about to say he let him keep his position till after he[Zuma] has defended himself in court.
I must say I am very happy of Mbeki's decision. It's very good for the country.
I am pissed off by the huge support that Zuma received and some organised by himself!
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yes ,he's been released from his duties...what is interesting for me is who'll be the next VP...the rumours floating around are that Nkosazana Zuma will be next,which means that she'll be the next president...you know how the ANC works right! whoever is vice president is the next president...
I'm happy he's gone but the drama's not over... 8)
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Fired. One Down, a whole party to go.
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4 sho fine you got issues wit the ANC, Mul, u entitled but you cant seriously rather have the DA 8O in power... I mean NIGGA PLEEZ!!!!!
Tony Leon is the f***in biggest plastic in this shit, throughout his carrer he has just gotten by, by sayin the opposite of the power, whether it mad e sense or not, he's never had an original policy idea in his life... he's full of shit AND he's the most patronising mofo, when it comes to coloured peeps, his f***in afrikaans preaching verisimilitude irritates the f***in shit out of me.... if that motherf***er EVER got in power, I'd take his a** out.
To him we still the toothless f***iin Delft livin fishermen who are dumb enuff to vote fo his cracker f***in piece of shit bek, cos we too dum to know difrent.....He's never done shit for coloured or black peeps other than hand out a few blankets or sum soup when the cameras loom.
That motherf***er got a bloody huge discretionary fund at his beck and call as the leader of the opposition, but the only change that effects is the colour of his suits and new cars...........
NEVER THE D.A. :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :evil:
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NEVER THE D.A. :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :evil:
the DA are jus a bunch of naggin bitches>> aint never heard anythin positive comin from them. they annoy the fok outta me, the sad thing is i think they r actually smart- i think if they put their energy into something positve (other than bitching all the time),, theyd help out a lot in making this country a better place.
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No matter what, the ANC is always gonna be in power... no matter how corrupt they are, they'll keep getting the votes because, their supporters are too blind to see the truth. Another problem is that, coloured and black people have no other option cos HELL NO, we so don't want the DA!
I'm glad our vice president has been relieved of his duties because Shaik can't take the fall alone... I hope Zuma goes to trial.
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Machiavela wrote:
what is interesting for me is who'll be the next VP...the rumours floating around are that Nkosazana Zuma will be next,which means that she'll be the next president...you know how the ANC works right! whoever is vice president is the next president...
people should separate the party from the state. JZ has only been fired as deputy president of the country & is still dep president of the ANC. So whoever is appointed deputy president of the country will not neccesarily become president of the ANC in 2007.
I also dont understand why so many people say whoever is deputy president of the party will become president of the party. There is no such thing. Yes it has happened over the past few decades but there have been many instances where this has not happened. Even some within the ANCYL keep on staing this. It is a lie. for instance Mandela was never Tambo's deputy. Tambo was not deputy president before he became president.
Mbeki is a very astutute and wise politician. he will not appoint his preferred successor. Coz this will only expose that person to attacks from all sorts of people. He will appoint a "neutral" person. As we get closer to 2007, his canditate will emerge & try to trounce all the prentenders to the throne.
Wait & see. This is going to be very intriguing.
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Liesl there you again with your expatriate bull.
The ANC governments have run this country far better than any white govt.
They have dealt with corruption better than any white or bantustan government.
Corruption exists in AMERICA but you don't hear people thinking its some kind of natural attribute that white people have.
But no, when its black people it just confirms all the rubbish racist ideas we've been taught to believe about people just because they have darker skins.
Go to New Zealand. We don't need people who can't get rid of their Eurocentric white washed minds.
The ANC has 70% of the vote but not once did it make them change the constitution.
The ANC has 70% of the vote, yet still they hold their leaders so accountable they fired them.
The anc 70 % OF THE vote and yet SHAIK, A COMRADE, Has been sentenced to 15 years imprisonment.
And where the f*ck is MAGNUS MALAN, PIK BOTHA and all the rest of the buggers that created a huge f*king debt in this country.
SOMEWHERE ENJOYING THE MONEY THEY STOLE FROM THE SOUTH AFRICAN TAX PAYER.
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I ACTUALLY HANE NOTHING TO SAY JUS WANNA GET TO A THOUSAND POSTS
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I ACTUALLY HANE NOTHING TO SAY JUS WANNA GET TO A THOUSAND POSTS
lol. this is one of the reasons I enjoy coming to this website.
You're crazy man.
RR
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Sunshine: You say I have a white washed mind? Look who's been brain washed by the ANC?!
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mbeki is too hecti, he actually fired the huslting deputy president. zuma still got ambitions though as he is still the ANC deputy preident and can become president, though i hope it dont happen
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I don't think he'd become president after this... and if he does, it could be quite fatal to our country.
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On the contrary Liesl,
I resist all attempts to have my brain filled with rigid paradigms that cause seriously silly knee jerk reactions like you've posted on this website.
The fact that I refuse to follow the silly anti-ANC hype which smacks of Eurocentricism doesn't mean I vote for the party or even agree with everything they say.
Thinking that there's a problem with empowering 80% of the South African population is seriously stupid and sounds like a silly defensive white people's type of reaction.
This country has been run for 100 odd years for the minority, now there's people who actually try to run it on everyone's behalf and all you can do is moan about it.
You're white washed because you clearly think through the idea that there's something wrong with a majority elected govt (which just happens to be black) that caters for the majority of the people.
Its like white people who thought the country was going to be run to the ground and decided to build underground bunkers for a situation they caused in the first place.
But the black, indian and coloured people of south africa responded with quite the opposite spirit, we forgave the officially and decided to re build the country.
the fact that the government that leads this change is ANC doesn't mean it should be failing.
Maybe you have a problem with the fact that the ANC and in fact the entire govt. actually knows how to run this joint and does so much better than white people ever did.
Maybe you'd like for South Africa to be run down just you can confirm your subconcious Eurocentric notions of black governments and black people. Black referring to all people of colour.
Maybe you'd feel better if Tony Leon was in power coz it always feels better when White people run things... doesnt it!
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where is the lurv masistas :?: :D
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:x
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Sorry Miachiavelli
I dont have much love for perspectives which perpetuate the idea that failure is inherent to black people because they are black.
I dont have much love for perspectives which are suspicious of a black government's successes at every turn:
Such as equating the ANC to the NP an evil white regime that killed thousands and oppressed millions and sent their own white men to fight illegitimate wars in Angola.
Such as people who think there's something wrong with a black government that follows its mandate to help the country to transform from a previously sick society into a normal one.
I think people who hold these ideas should go to Australia and leave us the hell alone to go ahead and inspire people of colour to be positive about themselves and their current gains.
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Nobody in this thread stated that Black people were incapable of leading a nation. That's just something you drummed up from who knows where and made it the basis of your argument. What I was doing by equating the two parties was likening what they are doing today to what was done back then. They obviously can't be as blatant, but I feel it is there. Also another thing that I've noticed is, that the ANC doesn't really seem to be representing all the people. Most of the black people that have risen were the rich middle cla** blacks that were not at the bottom of the food chain during arartheid anyway. The DA would probably make a better jod any day. Does anyone think there's a really good reason for Ebrahim Rasool being fired? I haven't heard one yet.
Did you guys check that special on SABC1 last night. I didn't understand a word of it, but I know the smell of propaganda when I smell it. That school they filmed with the kiddies crying for Zuma was so unrealistic. What do they know about Zuma and why was it some rural school in the middle of nowhere? Because they set up the whole thing. I thought Hitler and Leni Reifenstahl were bad when it came to propageanda viewing, but this is worse simply because it is now, the present, these days and times.
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Did you guys check that special on SABC1 last night. I didn't understand a word of it, but I know the smell of propaganda when I smell it. That school they filmed with the kiddies crying for Zuma was so unrealistic. What do they know about Zuma and why was it some rural school in the middle of nowhere? Because they set up the whole thing. I thought Hitler and Leni Reifenstahl were bad when it came to propageanda viewing, but this is worse simply because it is now, the present, these days and times.
Man that's what i thought when i saw it.
What do they know about Zuma and why was it some rural school in the middle of nowhere?.
Well JZ is from there and apparently he was paying for their school fees.
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Thanx A-Hole. Why perpetuate the situation with your feeble attempts at humour? Get a brain or get a life, choose one...
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Ok, Mul, while you are mosdef entitled to your opinion.... please I gotta point out a major flaw in your reasoning.....WHy the D.A.? Bra , you sounding like you buying into the DA propaganda machine,... bra, you do realise that the basis of DA leadership is still the same peeps who led the DP throughout Apartheid, they had seats in parliament, they had a say, not a major one, BUT they were the Opposition, and yet NOt Once did they ever even put forward ANY single piece of legislature in order to combat or even temper any aspect of Apartheid policy. They never saw anything wrong with it. They were as vocal to demonise the people fighting for freedom, as any part of the Apartheid government, they considered anyone involved in the armed struggle for the country, not on the side of the government, as criminals. They never seriously tried to challenge detention without trial, summary death penalties.... you know what they did following the incidents of June 16 1976?.... f***ALL.
Sure I got issues with the current governance, but I can see what they doin wrong now and talk about it.... during Apartheid, we knew f***all about what was happening in the government buildings, and if we said anything, we disappeared.
The Np government left this country in huge debt, thanks to the work doen by the Reserve Bank and the Finance Ministry, this country is doing better economically than it ever has................
The People who ran this country into the ground and crushed its people had more than 300 YEARS to perfect their art, we've come f***IN far in just 10.
My Grandfathers house was sullied by the thugs of BOSS, simply for housing and feeding hunted families in the seventies.
I've lost a cousin and an uncle to "accidents" in police detention during the eighties, and I've got another uncle who's an alchoholic who still carries the scars and suffers the nightmares from his time in detention. He's f***ed up for the rest of his life, he saw his nephew and his brother die like dogs because they and he decided to fight for their family.
As many problems I've got with the government and as f***ed up as my uncle is... If EVER our country fell into the hands of someone unwilling to bleed for their land. We will NOT hesitate to stand up and make them bleed.
The DA and what they come from and must never rule here again, All they are is The NP with a few more black tokens. They got no nuts to fight for this place.
AND fine yes there is corruption in government, but there is corruption in every government, no political system works perfectly, but its better than it was... and now we can build...Another revolution WILL kill this country. ANd right now its not neccessary.
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Word. Well, the govenrment should work to be more transparent. 'Cos people don't know what's going on and thus don't appreciate what seems to be neglect. People will continue to do so even more. I never said revolution either, I said change. I only said DA 'cos other than the ANC they the only people that'll be able to do at least something. They wouldn't dream of reinstating Apartheid now, it would just be insanity. They know this.
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No matter what, the ANC is always gonna be in power... no matter how corrupt they are, they'll keep getting the votes because, their supporters are too blind to see the truth.
what is the truth then?
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Thanx A-Hole. Why perpetuate the situation with your feeble attempts at humour? Get a brain or get a life, choose one...
lighten up bitch
you'd figure that people on a Hiphop website would get the punchline. :roll: Oh well...
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ouch
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Not really.
I got it,but it was weak.
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he is fired now lets dig out the rest
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Phumzile Nqcakula is the nu vice president,Zuma is still vice president of the ANC,if Mbeki bows down and the anti neptual contract wins the next elections,it means Zuma will be president.....Or duzz it :?: :?:
How duzz this work?Politicians are all the same :!: :!: