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Other => Politics => Topic started by: RuSh on June 13, 2005, 09:38:55 PM
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they startin to look like a bunch of new age NP's
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Damn straight, soon they gonna move the white peeps to the townships and vice versa. Then they probably gonna start saying they not allowed to live above a certain means. I havn't seen an transformation in ten years. my community hasn't changed a bit in 10 yrs. The only development that took place has been from out of the people's own pockets. Communties have had to deal with their socio-economic situations with virtually no support from the government. You know what makes it worse, most of the unemployed starving people now are those that have actively supported the ANC during the Apartheid era. Bonteheuwel was nicknamed an ANC central, but as soon as freedom hit we weren't needed any more. If it were up to me i'd rather be under the DA. It seems a hell of a lot better.
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let me play devil's advocate here for a while... the anc has done a lot to improve the lives of the people! it was very difficult for a liberation movement that was viewed with much suspicion throughout the world to transform itself into a centrist political party... it had to ensure that to attain the values enshrined in the freedom charter it didn't scare away local white capital, while at the same time attracting new foreign direct investments (FDI), had to grow the economy, decrease inflation t hat was @ 19% in the late 80s & bail out a bankrupt state- ie. it did a lot of economically astute, but socio- politically detrimental things.... for the ma**es in bonteuheuwel's plight to improve it has to get a bit worse first! for examples the labour regulations- minimum wage, BEE, employment equity- while politically expedient put South Africa on a bad footing when trying to compete on the world market with nations like China...
Things are improving though- increased FDI eg. Barclays deal & the main problem facing South Africa @ present is single party dominance & the lack of a credible opposition :wink:
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So the deputy president has been given marching orders....
the ANC IS FAR from being like the NP. I dont think we can even compare. All political organisations want power and have elite interests to some extent.
But that in no way makes the ANC like the NP.
thats just crazy
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But that in no way makes the ANC like the NP.
thats just crazy
there aint no comparison...come on now,the anc has done lots for this country and the NP has done lots for white people...the next thing people will be saying that apartheid was a figment of our imagination... :!:
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yo, what's the BEEF chiefs?
the only BEEF is the Black Economic Empowerment Farce, but that's all good coz the hip hop generation won't need it if we get the necessary education on our side. the ANC are pretty cool for politricians, but the majority's too big.
too many of the opposed have access to the internet and it's forums, so there's no time to get together and organise a credible opposition.those that are on the ground have silly names like Boeremag and are too busy blowing up train tracks and hoping Madiba goes past in a car instead of a helicopter to do anything effetive and legal.but hey, let's hope the more tyres they burn on the street the more houses that that babe of a housing minister will build.
Also the rain queen just died, and RSA is a generally dry country so that sux.R.I.P :wink:
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people blinded by politiks
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He said New Age NP. The only people who would agree are those who aren't surrounded by the problems that face people today.
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I havn't seen an transformation in ten years. my community hasn't changed a bit in 10 yrs.
u gotta be 1 blind nigga, (or brother-- woteva the hell). thats jus a kak statement & u know it. and for u to say ud rather be under the DA-- let me jus say im glad it aint up to ungrateful peeps like urself :evil:
F**k that i aint even angry its jus so sad man.. :(
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Just like the old government only looked out for the whites, the ANC only looks out for the blacks... it's as simple as that.
Yes, they might be making a difference in the black communities and that's great. The whites had their time to shine and now the blacks are having theirs but, what about the minority groups, who also suffered under apartheid and have been supporting the ANC all the years? They don't seem to be living a better life...
So, I see the point Mulmens is making cos, it's true.
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THAT'S JUST SUCH A BLATANT DISTORTION OF THE TRUTH
the anc isnt looking out just for blacks. It just so happens that blacks are the majority in this country.
coz please if i look around me, i think white people are still pretty ok. they still have the best education, all the tourism money goes to them, they still drive around in cars and have cheese and ham in their fridges -every black child's dream!
i actually think we need to have an ordinary people's TRC, just so ordinary whites can apologise for not realising they creaed an evil system.
coz all of a sudden none of them seem to think they had anything to do with it.
and coloured and indian people are also part of the empowerment process.
we're all black. where do yo come from Liesl?
You sound like an expatriate in lONDON eating biltong.
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and coloured and indian people are also part of the empowerment process.
we're all black. where do yo come from Liesl?
You sound like an expatriate in lONDON eating biltong.
agree with Sunshine...what i've noticed is that most people who seem unhappy are the coloured folk...a lot of indians are doing very well...indian cars like TATA in the counrty and stuff...
I also know that most coloureds are not cool with being called black but that's a whole different issue,...the previous government looked out for the minorities...i mean blacks were at the bottom of the resources chain...below even the coloureds,now its time for majority interest...everybody else will just have to hold on a bit ...that's not too much to ask,its unpleasant but bearable 8)
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they startin to look like a bunch of new age NP's
what makes you say that?
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u ever went to a township and see how some of the people live and shit was suppose to get better? i mean come on now we empowered them so why are only selected people being empowered?look at the eastern cape the administration is in a messed up state
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I think that pple are expecting shit to happen over nite,
the anc has only had 11yrs to try and undo the damage dun to blacks when van riebeeck first put his skinny little a** on this land,
do y tink the anc are magicians?
on the other hand, maybe they CUD get more dun if they would just stop chowing all the muny!
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11 years have nothing to do with the case we talkin bout corruption and mismanagement thats no excuse
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rush I think your statements are rushed...
sure the eleven years have nothing to do with corruption and what have you. One thing you need to note that seperates the ANC and NP in terms of governance is that during the old regime corruption was there but no one knew about it(meaning citizens never got to find out) but with this government all corruption is exposed and punished, hell JZ was fired not because he was found giulty of it but becoz he was too close to it. You mentioned the EC, how many people have been arrested for mismanagement & corruption? how many have been dismissed? is it a secret that the EC has the worst management?
to blame the government for what poeple do is naive, to say the least. People are prone to corruption, like it's said, money corrupts. Very few people have intergrity, the minute they see an opportunity to make extra cash with minimal effort they jump to it, check the quick fix schemes to get an idea of what I mean. our government is doing all it can to prevent plus punish such crimes against the people by the people. a hard thing to do, but it's being done none the less.
and to equate BEE, AA to apartheid is LUDACRIS. Aparthied as a system stated that whites are not equal with no one they are superior to everyone, Coloured, Indian or African and as such we were not to be treated with any respect. The system engineered an education system to teach us about where and what our place was, to teach us to be servants to the master(whites). Even today older folks still submit themselves to whites becoz it's what they were taught, they frown when we(the youngters) stand up for ourselves against umlungu, they sure do know their "place". we are in the townships becoz we were placed there. Now show me any lagislation that seeks to belittle whites. show me any lagislation that promotes Africans as the superior "race". Where in the BEE policy does it say white people should not own the houses they leave in? where does is say they should be restricted to a certain area and need authorisation to leave that area? where does it say they are not supposed to own land?(and bare in mind they brought no land to Africa), where does it say/imply that they should not own businesses?
BEE seeks to address the imbalance in economic power. It would be naive to think South Africa is not a capitalistic country becoz we are, but when Africans with connections expliot what capitalism is about they are cricified instead of being commended. If you want to improve your living condition go out and do that, nothing is preventing you, well except CAPITAL and guess who owns CAPITAL in South Africa? the minority (read whites) and they are still pulling strings to make sure we don't progress economically. They are releasing "their" capital to the few "darkies" to control the wealth distribution to blacks, hey!! we can't afford to have a lot of darkies with inflated balance sheets now can we?
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I sorta hear what rush and every cat critical of the ANC and I'm down with what is being said. I think there a funky regressive culture that has encouraged total deifying of the ANC and all them cats tha fought for the liberation of our peoples while it discourages any form of criticism. the ANC is no better or no worse than, say DA. There are generally corrupt folks in there and there are folks who aren't. The problem the Anc faces has deeper roots than anybody is willing to acknowledge. For example; during the pre 94 elections, when everybody was campaigning to get a piece of the pie, the general message to the ma**es was: "We will give you houses and water and electricity and jobs and and..." Now 11 years on people are still waiting on the houses,water,jobs etc, thinking that all they had to do was vote for the anc and everything was to be Express mailed to them. That is what the politicians started and they have to deal with it.
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U really sound like a sterile politician. Its strange how ordinary people are always told to be patient but the fat bellied man and woman have engaged in an orgy of self-enrichment. And the strangest thing ofcourse is that rappers never document this
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While i agree with the sentiment of rush there are a few things we should commend the ANC on. their effort in reducing the national deficit and of course the wonderful work Thabo Mbeki has done in both bringing in foreign investment and further developing relationships between african countries.
thabo mbeki is an a**et to south africa and so is trevor manuel.
but i want to make a point on the bee statements reflected in this post. bee is not benefiting black people. black people are still poor as hell living in townships and it's getting worse. the only black people that the bee deals benefit are those blacks who were advantaged enough to get a tertiary qualification. very far from being disadvantaged. many of these rich blacks have their hands in different deals, sitting on various boards as executives and/or chairmans. there is a small group of black people getting rich in this country while the rest live in poverty. the point i'm trying to make is that is there is no black and white issue here. it's a rich and poor issue. the govt has made it black and white because it's a convenience to them.
affirmative action is also a joke. i see black people who still live in townships sit in the same position for years. yet those black people who are graduates (with no experience) are pushed up to management and climb the ladder several times over the past few years. the other blacks who still live in the township, who have years of experience, but because they are not part of the rich black crowd, are getting nowhere. there's soemthing else going on here and if you open your eyes you wouldn't be blinded by the bullshit the government feeds you.
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u ever went to a township and see how some of the people live and shit was suppose to get better? i mean come on now we empowered them so why are only selected people being empowered?look at the eastern cape the administration is in a messed up state
I hear you man
but we as the people need to take it to their faces so much that they have no option but to hear and service the people.
coz truth be told,we can talk talk talk,but that dont mean shit
and talkin is all the youth of today seem to do,the youth of
76 must be turning in they grave
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we gotta fight the power
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Yeah, we gotta fight it. Just 'cos they're a pioneering non-white ruling party doesn't mean that they caa lie to us and mislead us... That stuff about the Guvvy getting fat while the ma**es are told to be patient and starve doesn't appeal to me. They're investing in all kinds of things and then at the end of the day they wonna tell us there's no money left for you... You who gave us power... You who trusted us... You who now have to suffer in the long run because we're just too greedy to work for you... You're... meaningless.....
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I find it strange that the people are not satisfied with the service the ANC has delivered yet just last year the ANC ran away with the election. I think there is much more to that than simply saying they are a 'black party'.
I also think many of you here are disillusioned as to what really was going on pre-94. The NP really messed up this country and Apartheid caused problems that will take centuries to undo. Yeah, sure it might sound 'tired' to keep blaming Apartheid but what else is the cause of illiteracy, poverty and unemployment in this country?
The turn around of South Africa will take years and years of hard work. I believe government is working in stages...Madiba was the perfect man for the first stage, the reconciliation phase to avoid civil war. Then came Mbeki's first term when the media kept critisizing him for being out of the country all the time. Now that same media is commending the government for the growth of the economy which is a direct outcome of Mbeki's travels. Stage 3 is in full swing now, getting Africa as a whole going can only mean ma**ive economic growth for us. Included in this stage is improving government services. Mbeki himself took an active role is this by making it his business to visit some the areas where numerous complaints were given.
This stage includes legislation against corruption and government pushing companies into corners over transformation. People are quick to point out that transformation is not working out (BEE for example). Though they crucify the ANC for their role they forget the country's economy is still controlled by whites. The white companies and managers decide who they want to empower.
Im not saying the ANC are angels but name a government in the world that is. And there is no party at this moment that can challenge the ANC. Don't even mention the DA who bitches at every oppurtunity.
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In a couple of years, people will really get fed up with them if the ma**es, especially in rural and less privileged areas do not really start to benefit from this democracy, those areas are certainly neglected, but they have done fairly well over the past years.
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MACRO vs MICRO?? which should take precedence... i think that's the real issue here... the good of the state vs the good of the individual?? with this in mind i don think we doin 2 badly not quite tym 2 jump ship jus yet esp not onto the DA liner... i share the sentiments of stretch, sunshine and afterbirth