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Hip Hop Events / Ninja Tune / Big Dada Presents...
« on: June 05, 2007, 02:15:38 PM »
wohooooooooooooo!!!
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Movie Talk / The Boondocks
« on: April 16, 2007, 02:08:39 PM »
yeah, it is asheru doing the into n outro
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Traders / Slim is the 2nd richest man in the world
« on: April 13, 2007, 01:10:46 PM »
Bill Gates is not the richest man in the world. He's the richest we allowed to know about. There are families at the top, most notably the central banks.... Federal Reserve Bank, Bank for International Settlements etc etc, that control more than half of the worlds resources on their own. THey are the real government behind all the politics. They are the people who fund your political campaigns. They OWN the media conglomerates, dictate to us how to think. They lend out money to BOTH sides in wars at interest and push the world depper into their web of debt and control/power. And they have been doing this for centuries starting with the practice of ursury (lending out money at compund interest) - These are people who have the power to print money..and promptly make money out of THIN air. Dont you ever wonder why we never see to the top of the pyramid....the hierarchy? Who is the real top dog? As you climb higher in the chain of power shit gets less transparent and complicated covered in soulless economic lingo, on purpose, so that us, the serfs, dont ask questions. We are taught to trust. Do we ever question the banking system...or the economy? No...no one understands it, but yet everyone trusts and just a**umes that it'll be okay.
The whole economic system is rigged. It comes down to a faulty equation that just does not add up, heres why:
For the sake of simplicity lets imagine taking all the banks in the world and squelching them together into the umbrellaterm 'UeberBank". This UeberBank creates all the money in the world, and then borrows it out to the people and charges 10% interest. But where is that 10% supposed to come from if they alone print all the money in the world? ----
It's not possible, the equation cannot be solved. There is not enough money in the world to cover the debt. And so we...are left to try to slave away to maintain out status quo as our governments pay towards their increasing debt. As economic growth slows down as we are approaching the limits of planet earths sustainability, we become poorer an poorer. Wake up...the system is rigged.
Families, like the Rothschilds, Rockerfellers etc....do your research
Anyway...i think i might have veered off point. But.......goddamn it man. Shit needs to be said
The whole economic system is rigged. It comes down to a faulty equation that just does not add up, heres why:
For the sake of simplicity lets imagine taking all the banks in the world and squelching them together into the umbrellaterm 'UeberBank". This UeberBank creates all the money in the world, and then borrows it out to the people and charges 10% interest. But where is that 10% supposed to come from if they alone print all the money in the world? ----
It's not possible, the equation cannot be solved. There is not enough money in the world to cover the debt. And so we...are left to try to slave away to maintain out status quo as our governments pay towards their increasing debt. As economic growth slows down as we are approaching the limits of planet earths sustainability, we become poorer an poorer. Wake up...the system is rigged.
Families, like the Rothschilds, Rockerfellers etc....do your research
Anyway...i think i might have veered off point. But.......goddamn it man. Shit needs to be said
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Hot Traxxx / Pioneer Unit - Planetary a**ault
« on: March 31, 2007, 12:29:23 PM »
WHAT!!!!!!!!?
nicccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccce
conceptual brilliance
nicccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccce
conceptual brilliance
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General Discussion / Apathy killing AG
« on: March 19, 2007, 12:48:05 PM »
Watchful eyes in the background.....
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General Discussion / Flags- Do you understand what they mean?
« on: March 07, 2007, 12:57:41 PM »
I dont see me rocking a 'Camps Bay' hoody with much street cred.
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Politics / SAMRO signs major music reproduction rights agreement with..
« on: March 07, 2007, 12:28:20 PM »
very suspect. usually when they make an effort to be vague about shit....it means someone's getting f***ed..... i dont trust SAMRO.
Last month i was chilling at my firends store...choice records in town. He was telling me this story about a copper walking into the store and proceeding to try and tax him.....for playing music.
My friend proceeded to tell him that the music he was selling in the store had nothing to do with SAMRO and that as a matter of fact the shit he was bumping was his OWN. The copper said it didnt matter and that SAMRO has a monopoly on ALL music in SA... that means...if you play music in a commercial setting, you gotta pay some kind of tax/fee to SAMRO.... EVEN IF THAT MUSIC IS SELF PRODUCED.
The only way he got out of it was proving to him that in fact he wasnt making any profit.
wtf? Can i get a confirmation? D? anyone?
Last month i was chilling at my firends store...choice records in town. He was telling me this story about a copper walking into the store and proceeding to try and tax him.....for playing music.
My friend proceeded to tell him that the music he was selling in the store had nothing to do with SAMRO and that as a matter of fact the shit he was bumping was his OWN. The copper said it didnt matter and that SAMRO has a monopoly on ALL music in SA... that means...if you play music in a commercial setting, you gotta pay some kind of tax/fee to SAMRO.... EVEN IF THAT MUSIC IS SELF PRODUCED.
The only way he got out of it was proving to him that in fact he wasnt making any profit.
wtf? Can i get a confirmation? D? anyone?
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Producers - Discussion / DJ Lessons
« on: February 09, 2007, 01:16:39 PM »
Money... only if u gonna be spinning Justin Timberlake and the other Bull****.
Groupies...yeah
Groupies...yeah
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Chief Rocka - Open Mic / have you ever...
« on: February 04, 2007, 12:36:34 PM »
sounds like a hellish dose of quarter-life crisis... might i suggest that your present challenges include finding the unseen horizons behind your senses. Its time to stop chasing new thrills but to practice new ways of perceiving. It aint easy..aint hard...just is.
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General Discussion / KONFAB on BBC Radio 1
« on: January 26, 2007, 01:05:52 PM »
wow, good work damien... that is absolutely awesome. hats off.
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Hot Traxxx / SHOULD PRODUCERS WHO SAMPLE BE GIVEN AS MUCH AS THEY GET
« on: January 23, 2007, 05:10:03 AM »
What reinterpretation?
its the same riff. they didnt change it. all they did was use their TECHNICAL knowledge.. or a sound engineer, to "repackage" the original song for different taste of the times or for a different market. Its marketing... not art.
I can write an instructional manual to give u the exact process you have to go through to make Biggie's "Juicy" from Mtume's version.
There is no manual for inspiration however.
Vexer said:
Who decides what a "genuine" artistic method is and according to what criteria?
----I don't know. But i can point out those that arent. How do you take music that you wouldnt have been able to compose and take credit for it? The first time you heard The biggie "juicy" sample by Mtume didnt you loose a bit of respect for puffy?
I don't c why taking a riff from a sequencer is different from taking a riff from a hit or an obscure record.
--- A riff from a sequencer? What are you gonna do, jack the fruityloop demo tracks and make millions?
---- The difference with sampling the hit is.... that i would have to sell my ca/house to publish it.... unless i had a major record company backing me. PLUS, cmon...sampling a hit is a nobrainer. You already know that it'll work with people - you can be TOTALLY tonedeaf and be able to recognize that the sample works.. Obscure records are not as obvious. If u sample an obscure record at least you obviously FEEL music. you had the musical ear and dexterity to go through dusty records and the ability to recognize that a certain part of the song would sound good looped and over a beat.
Either way once u embody the alien riff within the hip-hop genre then as a producer you have to come up with an interpretation of that riff that will actually work.
---- whats an alien riff? how do you embody it? sounds like gay hippie shit.
Just becoz "Good Times" was a disco hit it didn't follow that "Rapper's Delight" would also be a hit.
---- Look... If u put me in front of a CD that says "Michael Jackson's Thriller Seperates" or one with "HipHop Samples vol 13"... which one is more likely to produce a hit.
----Of course it doesnt MEAN it will be a hit. But makes it a f***load more likely. Especially in hiphop. As a producer/DJ U KNOW it works....cuz u played the break at blockparties and watched ppl go apeshit.
Those catz had to come up with an effective re-interpretation of the track even though on a production level they just looped the track.
---Lucky for them they got clearance.
Its all in the execution and the re-interpretation of the sampled material which is art in itself regardless of whether the sample is just a loop of a hit or obscure record.
---But is it REALLY art? Or is it a smart move? "The execution and re-interpretation of the sampled material" that you were speaking of.... what is that? Chopping up a sample and looping it up? Is that your understanding of art?
I'm sure u've heard lots of tracks that have used the same sample Biggie used for "Juicy" but how many of them achieved the same effect?
---- What are you talking about? The original sounds exactly the f***ing same, just without biggie rapping. The girl is even singing the hook. Puffy even jacked the hook. NO INTERPRETATION.
None, the reason being the execution and interpretation weren't on point.
--- They dun fcked up.
Catz started by sampling records bcoz they didn't have libraries of readily available sounds like we have today in modern sequencers.
---- sure.... so whats the excuse today?
If u notice sequencer sounds or sample CD sounds are actually termed "royalty free samples" therefore using them doesn't make u an "original" composer.
--- How many generic samples actually make hits though. List one. Theres no such a thing as a "Hit a**embler package".. sample CD's are mostly hits, stabs and individual sounds or instruments. They dont provide Hooks or soul.
If originality is a feeling then u'll agree that lots of sampled tracks possess and convey feeling and all manner of our abstract perceptions as human beings.
"Dear Mama" by Pac was a sampled track does it mean that Tony Pizzaro the producer doesn't deserve his props for sampling "Sadie".R u telling me that track is a vapid commercialist scam completely devoid of any artistic integrity just coz it used a sample that most catz especially Americans could identify with.
--------"No.. its not exactly what im saying. Because if you reread the oringial question... which is still what i make my point (That ORIGINAL producers/composerve deserve MORE credit than jackers/ (hit) loop samplers WE STILL ON TRACK HERE RIGHT?) Then you might have a hard time disagreeing with me that whoever wrote "Sadie" deserves more credit than Tony Pizzaro for that beat. And that if Mr Pizzaro had composed the track...now THAT would have been impressive.
All i'm saying is everyone is equal let's not take anything away from anyone and attempt to create "hierachies of creativity".
---No...everyone is NOT equal. When you watched the world cup final. Did the cameraman or holding the camera deserve the same amount of credit as the players on the field" It all comes down to the final experience...right? ... no
Boz we're discussing art those hierachies are inherently contradictory and ultimately unsustainable.
--- Sounds like a parliamentary speech.
---Art has no hierarchies. Either u brought something new to the table....or you plagiarised.
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Disclaimer: There are no general rules. Obviously some producers make samples sound great. But we need to make a bit of a distinction between art and sound engineering...
its the same riff. they didnt change it. all they did was use their TECHNICAL knowledge.. or a sound engineer, to "repackage" the original song for different taste of the times or for a different market. Its marketing... not art.
I can write an instructional manual to give u the exact process you have to go through to make Biggie's "Juicy" from Mtume's version.
There is no manual for inspiration however.
Vexer said:
Who decides what a "genuine" artistic method is and according to what criteria?
----I don't know. But i can point out those that arent. How do you take music that you wouldnt have been able to compose and take credit for it? The first time you heard The biggie "juicy" sample by Mtume didnt you loose a bit of respect for puffy?
I don't c why taking a riff from a sequencer is different from taking a riff from a hit or an obscure record.
--- A riff from a sequencer? What are you gonna do, jack the fruityloop demo tracks and make millions?
---- The difference with sampling the hit is.... that i would have to sell my ca/house to publish it.... unless i had a major record company backing me. PLUS, cmon...sampling a hit is a nobrainer. You already know that it'll work with people - you can be TOTALLY tonedeaf and be able to recognize that the sample works.. Obscure records are not as obvious. If u sample an obscure record at least you obviously FEEL music. you had the musical ear and dexterity to go through dusty records and the ability to recognize that a certain part of the song would sound good looped and over a beat.
Either way once u embody the alien riff within the hip-hop genre then as a producer you have to come up with an interpretation of that riff that will actually work.
---- whats an alien riff? how do you embody it? sounds like gay hippie shit.
Just becoz "Good Times" was a disco hit it didn't follow that "Rapper's Delight" would also be a hit.
---- Look... If u put me in front of a CD that says "Michael Jackson's Thriller Seperates" or one with "HipHop Samples vol 13"... which one is more likely to produce a hit.
----Of course it doesnt MEAN it will be a hit. But makes it a f***load more likely. Especially in hiphop. As a producer/DJ U KNOW it works....cuz u played the break at blockparties and watched ppl go apeshit.
Those catz had to come up with an effective re-interpretation of the track even though on a production level they just looped the track.
---Lucky for them they got clearance.
Its all in the execution and the re-interpretation of the sampled material which is art in itself regardless of whether the sample is just a loop of a hit or obscure record.
---But is it REALLY art? Or is it a smart move? "The execution and re-interpretation of the sampled material" that you were speaking of.... what is that? Chopping up a sample and looping it up? Is that your understanding of art?
I'm sure u've heard lots of tracks that have used the same sample Biggie used for "Juicy" but how many of them achieved the same effect?
---- What are you talking about? The original sounds exactly the f***ing same, just without biggie rapping. The girl is even singing the hook. Puffy even jacked the hook. NO INTERPRETATION.
None, the reason being the execution and interpretation weren't on point.
--- They dun fcked up.
Catz started by sampling records bcoz they didn't have libraries of readily available sounds like we have today in modern sequencers.
---- sure.... so whats the excuse today?
If u notice sequencer sounds or sample CD sounds are actually termed "royalty free samples" therefore using them doesn't make u an "original" composer.
--- How many generic samples actually make hits though. List one. Theres no such a thing as a "Hit a**embler package".. sample CD's are mostly hits, stabs and individual sounds or instruments. They dont provide Hooks or soul.
If originality is a feeling then u'll agree that lots of sampled tracks possess and convey feeling and all manner of our abstract perceptions as human beings.
"Dear Mama" by Pac was a sampled track does it mean that Tony Pizzaro the producer doesn't deserve his props for sampling "Sadie".R u telling me that track is a vapid commercialist scam completely devoid of any artistic integrity just coz it used a sample that most catz especially Americans could identify with.
--------"No.. its not exactly what im saying. Because if you reread the oringial question... which is still what i make my point (That ORIGINAL producers/composerve deserve MORE credit than jackers/ (hit) loop samplers WE STILL ON TRACK HERE RIGHT?) Then you might have a hard time disagreeing with me that whoever wrote "Sadie" deserves more credit than Tony Pizzaro for that beat. And that if Mr Pizzaro had composed the track...now THAT would have been impressive.
All i'm saying is everyone is equal let's not take anything away from anyone and attempt to create "hierachies of creativity".
---No...everyone is NOT equal. When you watched the world cup final. Did the cameraman or holding the camera deserve the same amount of credit as the players on the field" It all comes down to the final experience...right? ... no
Boz we're discussing art those hierachies are inherently contradictory and ultimately unsustainable.
--- Sounds like a parliamentary speech.
---Art has no hierarchies. Either u brought something new to the table....or you plagiarised.
-------------------------------------------
Disclaimer: There are no general rules. Obviously some producers make samples sound great. But we need to make a bit of a distinction between art and sound engineering...
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Hot Traxxx / SHOULD PRODUCERS WHO SAMPLE BE GIVEN AS MUCH AS THEY GET
« on: January 22, 2007, 07:54:51 PM »
difference is.. ppl like puffy and kanye take loops that are already established have been hits and already popular. Madlib takes obscure stuff that no ones heard before....and arranges them in new unique ways...including his own musical ability.
I dont agree with vexer at all. originality has nothing to do with notes and clefts.... originality is a feeling.. a moment a progression...that was given to YOU by something else, something that came THROUGH you. Musicians will know what i'm talking about, those moments where YOU the arist are the instrument being played by something else, something undefinable.
Curtis Mayfield went through it when he conceived 'move on up'.... kanye did not when he made touch the sky. THAT was a business decision. In my opinion that was NOT a true artistic method...
Leon Haywood ent through the process it for 'I wanna do something freaky '. Dre did not for next episode he did not conceive of it
David Bowie - Lets Dance same thing. Puffy jacked it ...didnt conceive of it.
etc..
Theres a difference between sampling a whole riff that was created by someone else or taking bits and pieces...like chords individual drum sounds.... etc but putting them together in an own unique inspired and creative way...a la dj premier or prefuse 73. these guys are stuill artists...just wih samplers as heir instruments of expression.
I dont think the end justifies the means. Otherwise i might justifiably just jack somene elses music...beef up the snare...or add a triangle and claim to be ill.
I dont agree with vexer at all. originality has nothing to do with notes and clefts.... originality is a feeling.. a moment a progression...that was given to YOU by something else, something that came THROUGH you. Musicians will know what i'm talking about, those moments where YOU the arist are the instrument being played by something else, something undefinable.
Curtis Mayfield went through it when he conceived 'move on up'.... kanye did not when he made touch the sky. THAT was a business decision. In my opinion that was NOT a true artistic method...
Leon Haywood ent through the process it for 'I wanna do something freaky '. Dre did not for next episode he did not conceive of it
David Bowie - Lets Dance same thing. Puffy jacked it ...didnt conceive of it.
etc..
Theres a difference between sampling a whole riff that was created by someone else or taking bits and pieces...like chords individual drum sounds.... etc but putting them together in an own unique inspired and creative way...a la dj premier or prefuse 73. these guys are stuill artists...just wih samplers as heir instruments of expression.
I dont think the end justifies the means. Otherwise i might justifiably just jack somene elses music...beef up the snare...or add a triangle and claim to be ill.
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Humour / Jokes / White people NOOOOOOO! *Syntactic's gonna shed a tear*
« on: January 16, 2007, 02:14:41 AM »
ahem... i'm a cracker n i happen to love a**.
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Hot Traxxx / SHOULD PRODUCERS WHO SAMPLE BE GIVEN AS MUCH AS THEY GET
« on: January 14, 2007, 02:38:20 PM »
Threadstalker, Where do u draw the line?
What if i "sample" a whole timbaland instrumental, add a fart and a sneeze on verse 1 and 2 and then resell it under a different name..... and it sounds good.
Am i a good producer deserving respect?
What if i "sample" a whole timbaland instrumental, add a fart and a sneeze on verse 1 and 2 and then resell it under a different name..... and it sounds good.
Am i a good producer deserving respect?