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General Discussion / Rapping In Venec (Zulu, Sotho, Afrikaans... ect)

« on: July 13, 2004, 08:13:00 PM »

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So U see we going round in circles re-hashing the same ish sed before on other threads!

point taken.

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General Discussion / Rapping In Venec (Zulu, Sotho, Afrikaans... ect)

« on: July 13, 2004, 07:49:00 PM »

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13-07-2004 at 09:59, Sensai_Tate : We have discussed some of these issues.

true, but tha debate iz a never-ending one. i don´t mind it, as said before on tate´s thread (by some) that tha accent izn´t as important as your lyrical content, i´m with THAT argument, but sometimes, ya gotta draw tha line. i´ve heard cats who rap in this very (VERY) forced "american" accent an honestly, it jus takes away from your whole performance, ya can´t even hear what a cat´s tryin to say cuz he´s so intent on soundin like rza, jay-z or even (ugh) chingy. but then again, we tend to slam otha emcees who rap in what we so quickly tend to call an american accent when this iz in fact how they speak. i mean, if you were taught to speak in a certain way (most likely in schools) then "how real are you if you have to fake an "african" accent jus to please tha ma**es?" can´t remember who said this before, but they had a damn good point.

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Chief Rocka - Open Mic / Dark blood

« on: July 11, 2004, 08:56:00 PM »

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23-06-2004 at 23:32, Anonymous : i dont wanna be a nuisance

:-Y too late...

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General Discussion / Authentic African Hip Hop Sound

« on: June 30, 2004, 11:47:00 PM »

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30-06-2004 at 16:33, Sensai_Tate : Has anyone actually heard the Two Questions song that sparked this debate?

yeah! what sparked off this debate  (i´m thinkin) iz towards tha end where T tunes bout hip-hop bridgin cultural boundaries (if i undastood tha track right) an it all links back to tha hook which goes on peops askin why he raps in "european" an why he sounds "american". right? :-?

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General Discussion / Authentic African Hip Hop Sound

« on: June 30, 2004, 10:35:00 PM »

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30-06-2004 at 15:27, eef_haf : But another point is English is not even the most common language in South Africa. So it depends who you are trying to get your message to. Hey Khoi I heard the new Method Man is the whackest def jam album this decade. I warned you  :-]

well we´re not tryin to keep all this good sh*t only in sa are we? ;-)  i reckon we push this whole movement throughout tha rest of tha continent. look how gidi-gidi-maji-maji (hell, iz that even their name?) iz bein received here in south...hmmm based on that, my lil argument bout usin english jus got blown straight  outta tha water but i´m still for it. as for meth´s latest release, let´s not even go there, i´ma need therapy to get over tha disappointment. peace.

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General Discussion / Authentic African Hip Hop Sound

« on: June 30, 2004, 10:12:00 PM »

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30-06-2004 at 14:30, khoi : All this boils down to one thing Meth don’t rap in English cause he want the whole world to hear him or that he’ll limit his audience if he rapped in another lingo – he raps in English cause that’s what he speaks at home and in fact he don’t rap in English he raps in Staten Island slang same with Nas (QB), Jay-Z (Marcey, Brooklyn)

point taken, but our situatio iz way different to meth´s though. hell, we still gotta struggle wit xeno-fcukin-phobia issues an all of that. sa alone has 11 different languages (correct me if i´m wrong) what about tha rest of tha dark continent? yeah, yeah i feel ya on tha whole "peops who jus imitate ny slang, need to get wit tha program" tip an a way to deal wit that iz to incorporate (sp) african influences into hip-hop as we see it, but doesn´t conveyin whatever msg ya wanna in a way that will be understood by everyone count for anythang? i´m thinkin i´d prefer peops trippin over my lyricism an content rather than not pay me attention at all cuz they jus can´t understand what tha fcuk i´m sayin or how i sound sayin it. an that´s jus me...

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General Discussion / Authentic African Hip Hop Sound

« on: June 30, 2004, 07:20:00 PM »

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30-06-2004 at 11:56, Young-n-mighty : The problem comes in trying to a**ociate certain styles with Blackness. "You´re black so must sound like a Black." "Black MC´s must sound like their roots" That´s really the problem. Will it always be an issue simply because authenticity moves units in this country? Until you sound AFRICAN you wont sell? Ultimately though, we must admit it seems silly to rap in an accent you dont really speak in. Quote: ZUBZ in HYPE: I feel when people start getting caught up with how you sound, they aren´t listening to what you´re saying. There´s more to hiphop that just someone´s accent

word! there´s always gonna be a debate as to what does an doesn´t sound "african" an like young said, who´s to decide what is an isn´t african? i´ve probably hit on this point before, but cla**ifyin hip-hop accordin to what language you´re rappin in often creates some isolation or anotha, not sayin that rappin in vernac iz wrong (we all know how tight it can be) but when emcees are looked down upon (as it so often happens today...i mean bein labelled as abo "chizboy" an what-not) for rappin in english, it makes you wonder really, where we´re goin wit this. as far as i´m concerned, tha aim iz to educate an elevate (once in a while "innovate"...wudup tng & second son!) as for "drawin influences from africa" it´s all good, but to those that don´t see this as bein "african enuff" what´s to stop them into turnin hip-hop into a recycled form of kwaito or mbaqanga? it seems to me that we´re so caught up in cultural boundaries that we don´t even bother to step back an reflect on how we´re really dealin wit these issues.

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General Discussion / Grahamstown Festival

« on: June 28, 2004, 10:12:00 PM »

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25-06-2004 at 09:40, Sensai_Tate : G-TOWN ALL THE WAY BABY!

yep, thatz what´s up :-D

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General Discussion / Overseas influences

« on: June 24, 2004, 11:37:00 PM »

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24-06-2004 at 16:21, Supafly : Hey! You guys are hi-jacking my post! ;-)

:-P sorry man, personally, i haven´t noticed any of that in any of tha hip-hop acts i´ve been listenin to...

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General Discussion / Overseas influences

« on: June 24, 2004, 10:36:00 PM »

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24-06-2004 at 14:06, FT : take a look at this (unda-the-breath) beef between cats who rhyme with Vernac and those who rhyme with English... Does dat mean to be locally-correct U gotta use isi-Zulu when U write like H2O, cos if U sound like Tumi or Cashless there’s this false impression dat only people who are into hiphop will buy into yo sh*t. I thought that what waz more crucial waz the subject of the matter (what U’re saying).

true, an since now (i´ve noticed) tha whole "rappin in vernac" thang is tha latest craze, some catz reckon if you´re still flowin in "tha queen´s english" you´re tryina be "american". lookin at sa today, wit all it´s different languages, how clever iz it to rap in xhosa/zulu/afrikaans/whatever ONLY an end up isolating a whole lotta otha people you´re tryina reach anywayz? it´s a noble idea an all, don´t get me wrong, but isn´t tha mission of crossin boundaries an unitin people more important in tha greater scheme of thangs?

*open to constructive criticism*


[ This message was edited by: blakrok on 24-06-2004 15:37 ]

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General Discussion / A chance Rock the Mic

« on: May 04, 2004, 06:41:00 AM »

my seven wld have to be:

killah priest
busta rhymes
ghostface killah
rza
dom pachino
sfiso sudan
masta sip

almost feel like sayin boss (from skwatta, jus so we cld all outshine him) cat iz wack! but i ain´t THAT spiteful...

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Hot Traxxx / Mobb Deep !

« on: April 14, 2003, 11:58:00 PM »

yep! mobb deep rocks, or should i say...rocked they wuz off tha hooked till they released infamy. i´m still into them though... :-?