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General Discussion / Fuk the Dumb
« on: June 04, 2004, 07:13:00 PM »
The GIANT sticker campaign can be explained as an experiment in Phenomenology. Heidegger describes Phenomenology as "the process of letting things manifest themselves." Phenomenology attempts to enable people to see clearly something that is right before their eyes but obscured; things that are so taken for granted that they are muted by abstract observation.

The FIRST AIM OF PHENOMENOLOGY is to reawaken a sense of wonder about one´s environment. The Giant sticker attempts to stimulate curiosity and bring people to question both the sticker and their relationship with their surroundings. Because people are not used to seeing advertisements or propaganda for which the product or motive is not obvious, frequent and novel encounters with the sticker provoke thought and possible frustration, nevertheless revitalizing the viewer´s perception and attention to detail. The sticker has no meaning but exists only to cause people to react, to contemplate and search for meaning in the sticker. Because Giant has a Posse has no actual meaning, the various reactions and interpretations of those who view it reflect their personality and the nature of their sensibilities.

Many people who are familiar with the sticker find the image itself amusing, recognizing it as nonsensical, and are able to derive straightforward visual pleasure without burdening themselves with an explanation. The PARANOID OR CONSERVATIVE VIEWER however may be confused by the sticker´s persistent presence and condemn it as an underground cult with subversive intentions. Many stickers have been peeled down by people who were annoyed by them, considering them an eye sore and an act of petty vandalism, which is ironic considering the number of commercial graphic images everyone in American society is a**aulted with daily.

Another phenomenon the sticker has brought to light is the trendy and CONSPICUOUSLY CONSUMPTIVE nature of many members of society. For those who have been surrounded by the sticker, its familiarity and cultural resonance is comforting and owning a sticker provides a souvenir or keepsake, a memento. People have often demanded the sticker merely because they have seen it everywhere and possessing a sticker provides a sense of belonging. The Giant sticker seems mostly to be embraced by those who are (or at least want to seem to be) rebellious. Even though these people may not know the meaning of the sticker, they enjoy its slightly disruptive underground quality and wish to contribute to the furthering of its humorous and absurd presence which seems to somehow be antiestablishment/societal convention. Giant stickers are both embraced and rejected, the reason behind which, upon examination reflects the psyche of the viewer. Whether the reaction be positive or negative, the stickers existence is worthy as long as it causes people to consider the details and meanings of their surroundings. In the name of fun and observation.

Shepard Fairey, 1990


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General Discussion / Fuk The Buff
« on: June 04, 2004, 07:05:00 PM »
1.- What do you think of the Fred Perry Ads?
The Fred Perry ads don´t really make sense to me because it feels like a white tennis company trying to infiltrate hip hop/graffiti culture rather than the culture embracing Fred Perry. Many elitist white companies have been embraced by hip hop as a status symbol, but this comes off as a little patronizing to me. A photographic campaign of real graff people in the clothing or even the person painting the mural may have seemed more authentic. Designers always copy each other so the ones that don´t work with actual graffiti artists might have a version of graffiti that is 5 generations removed. They even make weak graffiti type faces for the computer.

2.- Do you agree that the minute that you have somebody corporate dictating your words, it is no longer true graffiti?
Graffiti can never become too mainstream because it is an activity, not a style. Mainstream embrace can water down the cliché graffiti look but most progressive graff artist have evolved past that eighties wild style look. It´s true that once it´s done for a company it´s not true graffiti unless the company is the graff artist´s company and they advertise their product with their street art. Graffiti is generally an illegal activity which conforms to no rules, no design by committee! True graffiti to me, is just putting work you want out on the street for everyone to see without compromise. No govt. censorship, no gallery owner to reject you. It´s about a pure uncompromised manifestation of your art and ideas whether people like it or not. I try to be respectful of businesses and private property that isn´t run down, but with all the bad ads out there, I think most public space if fair game.

3.- Does it have to stay underground to stay true?
What does underground mean? Punk rock and hip hop are not underground. That whole mainstream vs. underground thing is a load of crap. People who whine about a thing becoming successful are just jealous. It all depends on quality and intent. If something retains its integrity and quality, people shouldn´t mind if it becomes popular. Exploiting a style just because it is popular sucks, and any artist, graffiti or otherwise, shouldn´t participate in a project unless it´s proponents desire to understand and perpetuate the culture and perspective from which the artist comes. I have this unrealistic notion that exposure for graffiti is positive through any channel that gives positive representation, which may or may not be fashion. I think expanding acceptance of graffiti expands freedom of speech and genuinely helps democratize things for the individual in this spectator democracy. Graffiti is very liberating and that shouldn´t be reserved for the cool underground. That´s a selfish mentality.

3.- Do Japanese fashion designers, in general, have a better understanding of graffiti?
Graffiti seems to be big with lots of forward thinking brands right now. Especially in Japan. Companies like Bathing Ape, Undercover, Haze, Subware, Project Dragon, Stussy, Zoo York, Ecko Unltd, all take a sophisticated , graphically sound approach to mixing fashion and graffiti. In the US, Tribal Clothing has used only real graffiti artists for it´s product for the last 10 years. I respect those guys a lot for their commitment to the scene. They are in for love not money. That is what is important to me but people shouldn´t frown on one making money if they do it with integrity. In Japan, there seems to be an appreciation for innovation in graffiti and elsewhere. The graff artist and designers who are popular there are innovators, ahead of the curve collaborating. My work has been embraced there and the company I work with is considering opening a couple of stores to sell "Obey", my clothing line. The guys I work with in Japan recognize that I need a controlled environment with no competing product watering down my presentation to best represent my art meets propaganda, meets fashion project. All the top designers in Japan have a store that helps enroll their audience in their vision. I´d like to do the same thing in a store that I do on the street and in the gallery.

4.- Is graffiti ever effected by what is going on in fashion?
Traditionally graffiti was influenced by fashion in it´s early iconography because it was so closely tied to hip hop. Adidas and Puma and Kangol were always used in graff iconography. Lately, I think fashion influences graffiti more in exposing people that don´t live in big city to graffiti. Everyone has MTV. If Graffiti writers don´t like where fashion takes the culture then they just need to stay a step ahead. Futura and Haze are good examples of graff pioneers who lead in the beginning and have evolved and continued to lead.

5.- Are there examples of fashion, graffiti, and hip hop working side by side? Did Stussy achieve it?
Graffiti and hip hop have been so closely linked for so long and hip hop has been so influential on fashion that graffiti has been close by for tons of fashion since the early eighties. Movies like "Beat Street", "Breakin´" and "Wild Style" all had a strong graffiti presence. To me, Stussy was the first real hip hop, street graff flavored clothing line that used images from the culture itself as iconography. Prior to that it was more like..."Run DMC rock Adidas so I will too". With Stussy the fashion became a more reflexive representation of the culture.

6.- What do you think of Futura´s work with Levi´s Japan?
I like Futura´s collaboration with Levi´s. The stuff looks really cool and I think it´s good exposure for Futura and a smart a**ociation for Levi´s. It´s not like Levi´s is new on the scene, Zephyr is wearing a jeans jacket in "Wild Style". I´m actually working on the same program with Gareth Wills for Japan. He is a designer himself and has a true appreciation for graff art. He saw my work on the streets in Tokyo and contacted me. I´m into doing collaborations with companies that represent the art properly and I don´t have any hang-ups about it because I´m still very active on the streets. I feel comfortable doing commercial stuff as long as there is still a contextual reference to my work on the street. I feel people do eventually evolve in their lives past being able to take the risks involved in street art, but the vitality of the street bombing is still crucial for me. My art feels meaningless without the context of the street and it´s rich texture and unpredictability.

7.- Do you think that it is okay to employ graffiti in fashion?
For me, fashion alone is elitist and boring. Graffiti is populist. The mixture, sociologically can be an interesting melting pot. I enjoy things that cause different groups of people to mingle and exchange ideas or argue.

8.- Can you tell me what kind of clothes you sell and how they work in the way your stickers and posters work?
The clothes I sell are based primarily on the graphics I do and the iconography I use. I´ve always thought of a T-shirt as a utilitarian, unintimidating canvas. My cut and sew items have flag labels of the giant face and interior labels that say, "The medium is the message". The garments come with a stencil hang tag that has a condensed manifesto and my obeygiant.com url on the back. My clothing line is designed to espouse my ideas and be intelligently irreverent. I´m hoping the stencils will get the line banned in high schools, then kids will want it even more and understand oppression on a small scale. I also just enjoy making cool stuff. My work is a combination of fun and provocation. People tell me they get more questions about my T-shirts that anything else they wear.

9.- Tell me about the collaboration with Paul Frank.
Paul Frank approached me about making a few custom items because they were fans of my work. I was a big fan of theirs as well so we decided to do a limited edition program. They are some of the coolest people I´ve ever worked with. They have fun with what they are doing and it shows in a great product. Their stuff is really great but has a very humble humorous self deprecation, a lot of designers could learn a lesson in humility from the folks at Paul Frank Ind. My stuff sells mostly at good boutiques and skate shops. I don´t really know what the sales volume is yet, that´s not my main concern. I´m preoccupied with making cool stuff that compliments my street campaign.

10.- What are your plans for the future?
The Levi´s collaboration is coming up and I´m talking with DC shoes about a limited edition shoe/t-shirt/custom box set. I also have some skateboard decks coming out through Expedition skateboards. I´ve been skating almost 17 years and I´d like to put my work back into the community that gave me so much inspiration. What´s next? I don´t know, I´m always just trying to grow the scope of the project. The quality and scale of my work keeps increasing and the more commercial projects I have the more I can fund the expansion of the street campaign. I just want to show that in a sea of very funded, cut throat corporate competition, a gra**roots campaign can make an impact with a little innovation and a lot of tenacity. I´m always pulling for the underdog whether I´m still the underdog or not.

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General Discussion / Bots vs. S.A Mc´s
« on: June 03, 2004, 11:27:00 PM »
My question is who much tighter and why u say so.Name cats or groups and why u give em the streng or ups or props.

Is Cashless a Bots or a Mzansi crew?
Where is Proverb from wasnt he rasied in Bots?


;-)

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General Discussion / The MILITIA... Streetcats!!
« on: June 03, 2004, 05:44:00 PM »
MILITIA >>Fiyasko, Sy, Intallekt, Killa Eye & Mirus
The album >> "Dusty streets of..."
An album with a deeper insight on what really goes on in the ghetto [Jozi to Cape town]. Lyrics indited and produced with a strict articulation to bring out the realness, not to be misconceived for some phony thuggish sh*t but real cats who are the real pulse of the streets..... sooner than U think!

Comment on them if U want....
???????????????  

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General Discussion / are you feeling this track?
« on: June 01, 2004, 09:01:00 PM »
hey watup yalls i just wanna know if any of yalls are feeling this track.. it goes sumfin lyk.. one body one heart and one soul together? i thinkits of da hook... theres also this new slum village track  ....it goes sumfin lyk; thers sumthin i wanted to know can we get closer>... i think the beat is on point...
ps: Big ups to all my girls out there  one luv..I.C.U :-W  :-W  :-W

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Producers - Discussion / what is that?
« on: June 01, 2004, 05:13:00 AM »
when i convert my beats/lyrics to wave files, i sometimes get this crackling sound (almost like an lp), not all the time, but its enuff to f*** up the tempo. is this my sound-card, or what can it be?  How do i fix this? can i do something when i edit? sharp  

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Chief Rocka - Open Mic / budda pentration
« on: June 01, 2004, 04:13:00 AM »
i`m dope even without the use of smack or coke/makin hard rock junkies hit they against wall and bleedin through they nose/we walk around with dilated facial muscles when we spew flows/all you do is cram notes on some pre-madonna bullshit /youre a bow without an arrow/mc uz dala isi khokho but youre still to meet your worst nightmare when the B.d.p haunts your mind njenge sporho/i bet live showz r your weakest area /bitch youre a U.S.O unidentified static object/whats worse you still have the nerve to bust a verse/quite rhyming and buy yourself stilletos and a matching purse/they say u r the best but you could`nt be half as real as me even if the b.d.p chose to cross dress/in my universe u aint big /infact youre smaller than a molecule

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Hip Hop Events / My Question is?
« on: June 01, 2004, 01:40:00 AM »
First of all i have beef with the way the Hiphop category is setup!!! calissifying artists and groups together is already wrong..... it should be split up.

Ok, so my question is, if cats aint feeling the peoples and judges call for the SAMA"s!!! where do you rate crews besides SK, in other words who would you put next years lineup as a fair lineup with no gripes as to you wins it... like a top 5 crews and a the top 5 individual artists.


Group....(1 to 5)

Individual Artist (1-5)

this ought to be good......  ;-)

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Producers - Discussion / two pizzas said ootz
« on: June 01, 2004, 12:11:00 AM »
ootz.
since you are locked in your room you must find a way to teleport ALL the beats for the monkey ill, indelible mongols and shoot to illyiad. PLEAZE you must get them to me. the lousy pastor has forgotten them in some spider infested corner. those spiders dont like me and plus there was some beats missing on that cd anyways.
hows the beat makin going? do you want an mpc?

peace love and all

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Hip Hop Events / **** THE SAMAS
« on: May 31, 2004, 11:23:00 PM »
LOOK HERE GUYS! FINE WE ALL KNOW THAT TUMI & HIS VOLUME SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THE AWARD BUT INSTEAD SKWATTA TOOK IT...BUT NOW THAT THE AWARDS ARE OVER AND DONE WITH LETS MOVE ON AND WORK ON THE ASPECTS OF TUMI THAT WERNT SO OBVIOUSLY APPRECIATED. FOR STARTERS : CAN WE HAVE MORE FREQUENT PERFORMANCES BY TUMI AND IF THEY`VE BEEN THERE CAN THEY BE MORE PUBLISISED SO THAT MORE PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THEM AND NOT ONLY YFM LISTENERS...SECONDLY CAN TUMI GO OUT AND ATTEND CELEBRITY  PARTIES ETC SO THAT HE CAN BE RECOGNISED COS AT THE END OF THE DAY ITS THAT LITTLE SCHOOL CHILD WHOS VOTE FOR TUMI WILL COUNT NEXT YEAR.BU AS LOYISO GOLA SAID,"LIFE SUCKS!" BUT TUMI IS STILL YOUNG SO HIS GOT HIS WHOLE LIFE TO IMPROVE ON HIS STATUS AND SHOW US HIS TRUE COLOURS!!!PEACE!!! :-)

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Hip Hop Events / IRA GOLDSTEIN ARTICLES?
« on: May 31, 2004, 10:07:00 PM »
milkdaddy has been sleeping on my genuis!!

so please bug that red wine drinking, rothmans mild smoking, pasta eating, foot fetish, playa and tell him you want to read more of my ish (shit)!!!!

ira tha geeee

or mail me: drinkalotlife@yahoo.com

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Hot Traxxx / oh shit
« on: May 30, 2004, 06:01:00 PM »
HANGAR 18 new album:

THE MULTI PLATINUM DEBUT ALBUM

these def jukies are off the f***in metre. here are some sample clips of the album, which you can order off the definitivejux.net website.

http://www.definitivejux.net/av/hangar_18/player.php?id=378&filetype=song" TARGET="_blank">Hangar 18 - where we at
http://www.definitivejux.net/av/hangar_18/player.php?id=379&filetype=song" TARGET="_blank">Hangar 18 - Beatslope
http://www.definitivejux.net/av/hangar_18/player.php?id=382&filetype=song" TARGET="_blank">Hangar 18 - Hangar 18 and the temple of doom
http://www.definitivejux.net/av/hangar_18/player.php?id=389&filetype=song" TARGET="_blank">Hangar 18 - Take no chances

and heres the full music video for Where we at
http://www.definitivejux.net/av/player.php?id=13&filetype=highvideo" TARGET="_blank">Where we at - video clip

i hope we get to hear more from these dudes.

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Hip Hop Events / Time Out - Lonehill Every Tuesday
« on: May 28, 2004, 08:57:00 PM »
Heya Peeps
Just a shout out to y´all, I spin every tuesday evening at a place called
Time Out in Lonehill, (downstairs from the old Toveys)Johannesburg. i generally play stuff like Dialated Peoples, J5, Gangstarr, Atmosphere, Murs, Acelyone, Cypress, Rob Swift etc! i start playing at about 8:30 and its free entrance, we do have guest dj´s as well. drinks are cheap and parking is secure. if you find you have nothing to do on a tuesday night come through. b boys and girls welcome as well as open mike, just bring your own mike, heh.
PEACE :-Y

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Producers - Discussion / sa dj in the us
« on: May 28, 2004, 01:20:00 PM »
whazzup?  i just found this site while looking for prices on technics turntables in south africa... i am in the states at the moment.  is´true that it´s 14,000 rand for 2 !!??  peace out, wardog

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General Discussion / Jean Grae
« on: May 28, 2004, 04:49:00 AM »
What do you guys think of Jean Grae?

Just listen to My Crew, God´s Gift or Block Party and you´ll soon realise she is one of the best things to hit this corrupt world of hip hop.

She´s amazing.

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