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read the following and then drop your opinion.

The Singularity

Human history has been characterized by an accelerating rate of
technological progress.  It is caused by a positive feedback loop.
A new technology, such as agriculture, allows an increase in population.
A larger population has more brains at work, so the next technology
is developed or discovered more quickly.  In more recent times,
larger numbers of people are liberated from peasant-level agriculture
into professions that entail more education.  So not only are there
more brains to think, but those brains have more knowledge to work
with, and more time to spend on coming up with new ideas.

We are still in the transition from mostly peasant-level agriculture
(most of the world's population is in un-developed countries), but the
fraction of the world considered 'developed' is constantly expanding.
So we expect the rate of technological progress to continue to accelerate
because there are more and more scientists and engineers at work.

a**ume that there are fundamental limits to how far technology
can progress.  These limits are set by physical constants such as
the speed of light and Planck's constant.  Then we would expect that
the rate of progress in technology will slow down as these limits are
approached.  From this we can deduce that there will be some time
(probably in the future) at which technological progress will be at
it's most rapid.  This is a singular event in the sense that it happens
once in human history, hence the name 'Singularity'.

This is my definition of the concept.  Vernor Vinge, in his series
of stories 'The Peace War' and 'Marooned in Real Time' had a different
definition.  He implicitly a**umed that there was no limit to how
far technology could progress, or that the limit was very very high.
The pace of progress became very rapid, and then at some point
mankind simply disappeared in some mysterious way.  It is implied that
they ascended to the next level of existence or something.  From the
point of view of the 20th century, mankind had become incomprehensively
different.  So that time horizon when we can no longer say anything
useful about the future is Vinge's Singularity.  One would expect
that his version of the Singularity would recede in time as time
goes by, i.e. the horizon moves with us.

When will the Singularity Occur?

The short answer is that the near edge of the Singularity is due about
the year 2035 AD.  Several lines of reasoning point to this date.  One
is simple projection from human population trends.  Human population
over the past 10,000 years has been following a hyperbolic growth trend.
Since about 1600 AD the trend has been very steadily accelerating with
the asymptote located in the year 2035 AD.  Now, either the human
population really will become infinite at that time (more about that
later), or a trend that has persisted over all of human history will
be broken.  Either way it is a pretty special time.

If population growth slows down and the population levels off, then
we would expect the rate of progress to level off, then slow down as
we approach physical limits built into the universe.  There's just one
problem with this naive expectation - it's the thing you are probably
staring at right now - the computer.

Computers aren't terribly smart right now, but that's because the
human brain has about a million times the raw power of todays' computers.
Here's how you can figure the problem:  10^11 neurons with 10^3 synapses
each with a peak firing rate of 10^3 Hz makes for a raw bit rate of
10^17 bits/sec.  A 66 MHz processor chip with 64 bit architecture has
a raw bit rate of 4.2x10^9.  You can buy about 100 complete PC's for
the cost of one engineer or scientist, so about 4x10^11 bits/sec, or
about a factor of a millionless than a human brain.

Since computer capacity doubles every two years or so, we expect that
in about 40 years, the computers will be as powerful as human brains.
And two years after that, they will be twice as powerful, etc.  And
computer production is not limited by the rate of human reproduction.
So the total amount of brain-power available, counting humans plus
computers, takes a rapid jump upward in 40 years or so.  40 years
from now is 2035 AD.

Can the Singularity be avoided?

There are a couple of ways the Singularity might be avoided.  One
is if there is a hard limit to computer power that is well below the
human-equivalent level.  Well below means like a factor of 1000
below.  If, for example, computer power were limited to only a
factor of 100 short of human capacity, then you could cram 100 CPU
chips in a box and get the power you wanted.  And you would then
concentrate on automating the chip production process to get the
cost down.  Current photolithography techniqes seem to be good
for a factor of 50 improvement over today's chips (maybe a real
expert can correct this figure for me if I am off).  So it seems
that we need at least one major process change before the Singularity
and maybe it doesn't exist.

Another way to possibly avoid the Singularity is by humans messing
themselves up sufficiently.  The argument goes that the work involved
in killing people is roughly constant over time, but the energy
and wealth available to each person goes up over time.  So it becomes
easier over time for small numbers of people to kill ever larger
numbers of people.  Then, given a small but finite rate of loonies
bent on ma** murder, you eventually kill off large numbers of people
and set things back.

The usual technologies pointed to are nuclear weapons and engineered
plagues.  One can describe scenarios like the hobbyist mad scientist
of the future extracting Uranium from sea-water (where it is present
in a few parts per billion), and then separating the U-235 with a
home ma**-spectrometer, and building a bomb with his desktop milling
machine.  It all is designed on his 'SuperCAD version 9.0' design
software.

Some Other Interesting Thresholds

Human life expectancies have been increasing at about 0.1 years
per calendar year.  If the rate of progress in medical areas increases
by a factor of 10, then life expectancy will be increasing as fast
as you are aging.  This means your projected lifespan suddenly jumps
from being in the mid to upper 80 year range to a much larger number.
From my point of view as a 36 year old, biotechnology is making
gratifyingly rapid progress even today, and I hope that this will feed
jumps in life expectancy in the future.

Whether the size of a factory or a Drexler-style a**embler, the complexity
of a self-replicating machine is probably about constant.  At some point
we will have tools capable of modeling and designing such machines, and
shortly therafter building them.  A finite investment in building the
first such machine will yield an exponentially expanding output.  This
has radical consequences for wealth levels, etc.  Even nearly self-
replicating machines (say 99% capable) will have dramatic economic
effects.
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Either I'm tired or my academic cock-suckery meter is full for the week cos while I read it all I cant bring myself to digest more than the first paragraph... you got WAAAAAAAYYYYtoo much time on yo hands man.
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Personally, i think shit'll get a lot worse before we reach that critical ma** in development that'll allow our advancement to jet forward to this singularity.

Our current commonly known human history generally follows a sine wave pattern with regards to technological development. Civilisations spawn, accelerate in their rate of development, peak, then dip and dissipate, each lasting at most about 10,000 years. This singularity thing just doesn't seem to be happening. Several civilisations before us failed to achieve much of what we do today, sure. So that may tempt us into thinking our civilisation is the deepest so far. But thats just human nature no1 wants to say they're wack...
However, older civilisations certainly achieved things we can only google at today, e.g. Pyramids at Giza, etc., the list is endless. Our technology simply cannot reproduce such feats yet. So who's civilisation is more advanced? And are we getting dumber or smarter? And when are we finally gonna reach this singularity thing?
Our civilisation is now approaching the 10,000 year mark, and according to the predictions of some great civilisations before us, our time's almost up. The Mayas figured it ends in 2012...
Most times all it takes is one of Mother Earth's all too frequent (on a geological time-scale) natural disasters, like Noah's Flood (which was real according to damn near all cultures around the globe, and worldwide geological evidence like sea-creature shells and fossils in our highest mountain ranges), or another meteorite like the 1 which apparently wiped the dinosaurs (Armageddon and Deep Impact are bullshit, chances are, if we were hit by a meteorite, we'd never see it coming), etc...  the list is also endless.
Plus Waterworld is becoming a strong possibility any time soon, I don't need to remind anyone how loony the global weather has become...
On the other hand, if none of this shit happens and Georgie doesn't kick off World War III: Nukefest, we might just reach 2035 and see whattagwan. I'd like to peep it myself, actually...
I cud write mo, but i gotta crash, major, maybe later.  :wink:
Tha High Explocive