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Zuma Vs Mbeki,Face-Off

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A week’s a long time in ANC politics — and fortune is fickle.




What prompted President Thabo Mbeki to blurt out so clearly and unequivocally last week that he was in the running for the presidency of the ANC?

The reason is simply that Mbeki is feeling good. He feels that, suddenly, he is ahead in the running for the ANC’s top job and Jacob Zuma, the man we all seem to believe cannot be stopped, is suddenly wavering.

Last week, Mbeki, speaking to (the pro-government) SABC in Windhoek, said: “If in the nominations process the membership of the ANC says ‘We want Thabo Mbeki to continue to be president of the ANC’, you can’t say ‘no’.

“Indeed, if the membership of the ANC feels that I should be the president of the ANC, I’m saying it’s within the culture and traditions of the ANC, and I understand them very well.”

He went on to take a dig at another contender, former Gauteng premier and businessman Tokyo Sexwale, by saying leading the ANC was not about personal ambition but about serving people.


So why is Mbeki so buoyant?

Well, on Sunday City Press reported that Mbeki was leading the field comfortably in Limpopo. The report said that 146 branches had held general meetings to nominate their preferred leaders. Of these branches, 104 nominated Mbeki and only 42 chose Jacob Zuma.

It was a nice fillip for the Mbeki camp, which had also received news that it was leading by a wide margin in Eastern Cape (more than 200 branch nominations for Mbeki compared to Zuma’s 58). In North West, the picture was much the same.

This is why Mbeki was feeling so good last week. Things had changed so dramatically in ANC branches that it was no longer a given that Zuma would be singing Awuleth’ Umshini Wam all the way to the Union Buildings.

This bit of good news gave Mbeki confidence to speak, to feel that he could send a signal to his supporters that they should forge on because he truly believes that victory is within his grasp. But a week is a long time in politics. Words uttered in haste could very easily come back to haunt one.

By Friday, Independent Newspapers was reporting that the picture had changed in Limpopo after 285 of Limpopo’s 400 ANC branches made their nominations. It said 165 ANC branches had so far named Zuma as their choice for president, compared to 106 which nominated Mbeki.

Sexwale received 13 branch nominations and his fellow businessman Cyril Ramaphosa received two.

As you can see, a week is a long time in the ANC succession battle. Mbeki was up last weekend, but is down this week.

Mbeki’s fortunes will continue to change. On Friday, Mbeki was said to have emerged as the clear front- runner in Western Cape.

Members of Mbeki’s team are sitting in the provinces counting the support they are getting from the ANC branches. The same goes for Zuma’s and Sexwale’s teams. It is not known if Ramaphosa, who has steadfastly refused to comment on the race, has a team working for him.

Over the next few weeks the branches making nominations will go to provincial general councils at which nominations will be made by the provinces. These will be closely run races and lobbying will be hard.

To be nominated for the position of president of the ANC one has to have been nominated by at least two provinces. Mbeki might have secured Western Cape and Eastern Cape already.

Mbeki’s comments last week signal that the ANC succession race has changed in character. Hurling insults at each other will continue, but the action has now moved to each and every branch of the ANC as the branches decide who to nominate.

The nominations are now evenly split between Mbeki and Zuma. One week, Mbeki will be buoyant, like last week, and the next week Zuma will be buoyant.

If Ramaphosa or anyone else stands a chance now, he will have to be nominated on the conference floor in Polokwane. His nomination would then have to be seconded by 25percent of the conference delegates.

Until that happens, the next six weeks will be weeks of hope and fear for both Mbeki and Zuma
http://www.thetimes.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=604909


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20 day later!



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26 November 2007

Msholozi trounces Mbeki in five provinces in ANC’s leadership race


EASTERN CAPE

Thabo Mbeki – 520
Jacob Zuma – 322

FREE STATE

Thabo Mbeki – 76
Jacob Zuma – 287

GAUTENG

Thabo Mbeki – 94
Jacob Zuma – 262

KWAZULU-NATAL

Thabo Mbeki – 9
Jacob Zuma – 580

LIMPOPO

Thabo Mbeki – 224
Jacob Zuma – 210

MPUMALANGA

Thabo Mbeki – 37
Jacob Zuma – 267

NORTHERN CAPE

Thabo Mbeki – 106
Jacob Zuma – 137

NORTHWEST

Thabo Mbeki – 186
Jacob Zuma – 88

WESTERN CAPE

Thabo Mbeki – 142
Jacob Zuma – 89


Remmber the ANCYL and WOMANS league have fully JZ support..like one political analysit said Zuma is a Politician....Lethan'umshini kaZuma
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seriously though...anyone think Zuma gon be President...i think its a plot of some sort...they gon gooi us wit a suprise somewhere...on some Toyko Sexwale, the contender. by the way its Zuma head on wit Deborah Pata, 3rd degree...e-tv tonite...can't wait...check it out
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Deborah Pata

I hate this woman I have never in my life seen a more arrogant rasist in my LIFE puh!

Honestly I DON"T think Zuma being the President of the Country is a good look..BUT I belive he should be the ANC President. For many reasons the ANC has become soft and lost some of its reasons of being.


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by the way its Zuma head on wit Deborah Pata, 3rd degree...e-tv tonite...can't wait...check it out

Did this go down last night..coz i when i checked they had that pathetic reality show, the biggest loser. I am no Zuma supporter but i m glad that people have shown Mbeki that he is not invincible as he thinks and has been made out to be by some sections of our society. If great leaders like Mandela were able to relinquish power only after 5 years in the office,why can't he? Like most people i think they are gonna go for a compromise candidate!!


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^^^ its going down tonite...
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Deborah Pata

I hate this woman I have never in my life seen a more arrogant rasist in my LIFE puh!

Honestly I DON"T think Zuma being the President of the Country is a good look..BUT I belive he should be the ANC President. For many reasons the ANC has become soft and lost some of its reasons of being.



cosign  on ms patta, but as far as zuma kill too many birds per stone goes.... i dont know how i feel about someone who said if his brother was gay - he'd shoot them. right after a rape and well the whole scrap what you know a shower does it.

but then again the whole ANC has been on a dodgy tip...
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^^^ believe me i'm not a Debz fan miself. she has no journalistic ethics watsoever...she jerry springer...without the trailer trash... she always presses hard on politicians to crack and in the end they do and just expose how stupid they are. apparently Toyko killed it last week...leavin Deborah in the dust...wonder if Zuma can handle the heat...wonder if uzabe emphethe umshini wakhe
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I will be watching...she is disrespectfull...well the two have encountered each other remmber after the trial JZet basically wipped the floor with her long nosed disrespecting a**
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The African National Congress’s Women's League late on Monday nominated deputy leader Jacob Zuma as its candidate to head up the organisation, the South African Broadcasting Corporation reported. Their backing for Zuma for the top job comes after the ANC Youth League (Ancyl) on Friday also nominated Zuma.

In three days of voting in provincial and internal party organisations that ended on Monday, Mbeki won four of nine provinces, all with close votes. In his stronghold in the Eastern Cape, he won 520 votes to 322 for Zuma. The biggest upset was in Gauteng, where Mbeki lost to Zuma by 94 votes to 262.

While the voting was not binding, it was a clear cry for change.

Mbeki has alienated rank-and-file party members with a leadership style seen as aloof and exclusive, and economic policies seen as favouring big business and failing to improve life for the poor.

While Mbeki has charmed South Africa's white-led business community, Zuma's populist tactics have wowed the poor and unemployed who have not benefited from 14 years of black rule.

Zuma has spent the last couple of weeks meeting with business leaders, trying to allay their fears that he could overturn successful economic policies.

Mbeki had sought an unprecedented third term as ANC president, analysts say, to flout the ambitions of his one-time protégé , Zuma, and to ensure that he would have a say in who would succeed him as president. Under the Constitution, Mbeki cannot stand for a third term as leader of South Africa.

Rivalry between the two men began two years ago. Mbeki fired Zuma as the country's deputy president after Zuma was charged with rape and implicated in corruption in a multibillion-dollar arms deal.

Zuma was cleared of the rape charge. Corruption charges were withdrawn for lack of evidence but are expected to be resurrected since a judge opened the way this month for investigators to seek evidence abroad.

Mbeki stands accused of covering up the arms scandal by refusing to allow an independent investigation -- one of several scandals that have tarnished his presidency.

Analysts say the leadership race will mean much jockeying, lobbying, pay-offs and patronage before the December 16 to 20 national convention.

"Of course there's going to be fierce lobbying ... that still could tip the balance in Mbeki's favour, but I don't think it's likely," said analyst Aubrey Matshiqi of the Centre for Policy Studies in Johannesburg.

He said the question for Mbeki was whether he would be remembered as the ANC president and head of state who presided over unprecedented periods of economic growth and put Africa on the world agenda, or as "the leader who tried to stay for too long and was rejected by his own party?" - Sapa-AFP, Sapa-AP


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^^^ scary pants Zuma...was to no avail...esh. i wonder where is he hiding. errr well there was zero objectivity there as always...E-TV out to nail the ANC...their reporter and political analyst...i was disapointed that Zuma was not there...
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i watched the show and i must say i would have been interesting to hear what Zuma has got to say for himself....i m not sure what u mean about zero objectivity..coz 3rd degree is supposed to be an investigative show...cut through the bullshit kinda of journalism. The problem with Ms Patta is her attitude!!!


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i watched the show and i must say i would have been interesting to hear what Zuma has got to say for himself....i m not sure what u mean about zero objectivity..coz 3rd degree is supposed to be an investigative show...cut through the bullshit kinda of journalism. The problem with Ms Patta is her attitude!!!

Have to disagree with you on this one. every reportive/informative/investigative show/programme has its own policies and agendas to deliver. I think the subjectivity or rather objectivity in this context would lie in the viewers hands. One can never get the full story from one source, hence
(besides said event), watch Etv then SABC, watch CNN and then Al Jazeera,
can't disregard any other source or perspective just cos [they] tell you that they are a
investigative show.
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i think it's a sad day if this is what the once great ANC has come to! the ANC that i grew up with was not about promoting leaders who act a fool. Zuma has lost all credibility in my eyes. how long are we as South Africans gonna think it's cool to support people like him. it's some sick form of "keeping it real". this is the same reason we don't really want to do anything about the murderers and hijackers who live amongst us.
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azanian souljahs,

am not sure if i'm late on the conversation or not, but i find this relevant.
last nyt i watched that patta woman with zwelinzima vavi and some other mbeki biographist from the cape. The woman is doing more damage to the country than the ANC and its situation, she is practically using media to disrespect black majority rile in this country.
Secondly, Vavi seems to be too well informed in terms of president mbeki's decision making policies, what about his own, and as for his support of JZ, is his right ,the mistake is thinking everyone(espaecially workers) is behind JZ's actual  socio-political ideology.

Mbeki on the other hand seems to me to be well placed to becoming ANC president for a third term and the hype his opposition and critics are putting up is only fuelling his cause. Even Zuma is now lobbying foriegn legions, investors, economists and  world leaders, thats mbeki's strategy!!!!
All in all , i believe the two are actually stronger on the same page rather than on opposite ends, for the sake of "black south african nationalism"(which sold out with the freedom charterist bill by the way).
lastly, at this piont in time with all this drama, some of us are concerned at whta is going to happen after polokwane, and of cause the ever expanding gap of poverty, disease and infant mortality in this developing third world or what ever continent, what are these democrats and diplomats doing, not what media a**a**inist like patta and Ben Said are digging up in thier study!!!!!!!!!

Aluta Continua ;D ??? :'(
wether or not the two(mbeki/zuma)
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