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Meet John Favreau, head speech writer for the Obama camp...





he's cute.
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look i guess any responses to this are marked by who we are, what we believe in, the position from which we speak and the experiences of our lives - our respective life philosphies. we all have that, in whatever way, shape or form. to imagine that you dont is to have one actually. all of this will obviously influence how we relate to this moment. with what little that i know of the intricacies, and i dont know much by way of the kind of detail that gives way to what is described as informed opinion or debate, though sometimes i wonder if the experts know any better. what summarises it for me is 'i cant believe my eyes', i couldnt believe my eyes.

and if one man can have close to the entire world stop, look and listen, in so singular a fashion then i am in awe.

and so unable to speak on what i dont know i will only say what i do, from where i stand, with my particular worldview.

i dont know what it takes to make a complete overhaul of a system you had nothing to do with creating, one that outdates you. i know that he has inherited a mess. i dont know how he will fair in his tasks as outlined by the needs of his land and his people. i dont know how many people never thought theyd actually even ever see the day. i dont know how many of them didnt. i know that his people voted him the best man for the job. i do know that he is a person, like any other leader, anywhere. and that any scrutiny applied to him should be one that remains consistent and across the board, to focus so on just him almost sets him up for failure. all president of the west as he is. precisely because his message is different. ofourse he isnt perfect, but who can claim it. thats a given that. he is going to fail in certain aspects of his reach. my hope, in turn, is that he will receive the support he needs to atleast try. but i know that something will change. has changed already. i know that something will get done, not all, but something and maybe sometimes thats all that matters. all he says, by way of his own beginning is, it can be done. it offers a beginning.

of what ive seen and experienced of change or any attempts at it. i know that cynicism is easy, is widespread, is justified - its what we know. but in any moment dating back years, centuries perhaps, cynicism has had to have been met with a kind of irrational ambitious belief. seemingly unfounded and idealistic. at each of those junctures, nobody believed, nobody could believe. so many things would still be the same, in so many places. the messages that came in those moments made no sense in their times. had no proof. borne in the lines of an impa**ioned rhetoric. and perhaps still even with time, some arent seen as having done anything. ever questionable.

there was a time when i couldn’t believe it. when i couldn’t find it in me to believe it, when i couldnt bare to be swept up in this tide because it was so ridiculous. but this is who this person is and lets not forget that. you had to have been a person who knew what they were doing. he did it. just this. just that at that place already where i was ready to waiver. a relative unknown with not only practical odds against him but the odds of history. he did it. an act of such force, of will, that it empowers just in its observing. there are stories of those who tried. i respect him for accomplishing it in so fine a fashion. i guess then this is the position from which i see obama. as the individual, the man. this person who said this is what he was going to do and went out and finished it. i dont know what it took, may never know what kind of fiddling, manipulating and rearranging of circumstance that takes. i do know that by the end of it i couldnt believe my eyes.

i cannot comment on his role as president of the united states of america. he is an american president and that is fact. their votes, their choice, their system. he is obliged to them first. he is, and that’s no sin. that’s his job. thats what he signed up for. i cannot comment on what he will or wont do for the world. or should. i can only look upon him and be forced to look upon my own leaders in my own land and ask questions that force us to answer in some changes of our own. i look upon myself. to me this is who obama is. lets not expect or demand of people what we owe ourselves.

the example set here is one of the possibilities of change. fullstop.

within all the calls for pragmatism, more than anything else this moment was about this. in the lives of african americans, in the lives of black people all over the world, in the lives of anyone who has and does want better. who struggles to see it, who has lost faith in it, who believes they dont possess the capacity to effect it. this is a moment that has tilted the frame of reference. and i believe that that is what he will have given to the world. relatively i think he’s done what he needed to do, well for me. he has already done what he needed to do. so its from a very simplistic place that i speak from. he has already done something humungous. that will echo and reverberate into time whether we are there or not. sometimes in a world of an obsession with tangibles and measurables i sometimes feel like we underestimate the value and importance of speaking into the hearts and minds of people. the work will never be done by one person, it can never be – it should never. we should never pin our hopes on a person and thereby exonerate ourselves from a certain responsibility. what we should do is be inspired. its that simple. we should be drawing from ‘the audacity of hope’ as he puts it, taking it and building and contributing, in a manner that ensures that the feeling begins to determine choices made in regard to what it takes to build a country. that involves everybody in all spheres. or we can just stick around and wait for the scorecard and miss part of the point that is here with us already.

and the fibre of the person must count for something. the character of the man. just in who he is. who he is is already a difference. and that has to make a difference.

i believe that i do and will thank obama and his family for showing me something else of the black face. for the sight of those two little black girls standing beside their father at such an inconceivable moment. i will thank him for showing me a healthy relationship between a black man and a black woman, for being a man who not only loves his woman but openly shares of his respect and admiration for her in her own right. between the two of them, whether consciously or by default, they have not only contributed to the upliftment of black people in general, in redefining the perimeters of dreams and reflections, theyve represented for their respective sexes within the stereotypes and struggles that take place within the relationship between black man and black woman. theyve shown people something different. a man who wasnt afraid to choose a woman of such calibre, michelle obama mustnt be too far behind in discussions on barack. that woman is amazing. and shes played her part. and will continue to do so i imagine.

so yes, we can. as i interpreted it until someone kindly pointed it out as: yes, we, can. broken down and combined in three words as affirmation of positivity. and the strength it requires. makes you want to be part of that 'we' doesnt it. 

in our prudence let us not be so quick to anticipate, that we take away from now. now is important. now is what we do know for sure and it comes with its own gifts. right now is what is new.

breathe it in.


 

That was very well put Rhoze, It felt good to see him for who he was and for what he has accomplished and abolished yesterday, him and Michelle were adorable at the Ball as well, when Beyonce was singing Ella James' At Last, was quite an emotional moment.


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Rob & D are two people I consider friends & even brothers. I respect you both as my peers so this is not coming from left field or with any hidden agenda.
As white guys you may not fully appreciate how a (half) black man being elected as president of the USA resonates with black people the world over. Correct me if I'm wrong but neither of you has ever experienced directly the prejudices attached with being black. Ever walked into a random Service station and been followed by the security guard like you were gonna rob the place just coz of the way u look? Or had to tell your daughter/ son/ niece/ nephew/ cousin they could be whatever they wanted to be yet had no role models to point to that looked like you?

Remember this is the same constitution that held a black man (even if he was only 1/16th black) legally as only 3/5ths of a man. Now this man who's father, like he said in his speech, "would not have been served in a restaurant" just a generation ago is the President here.

Coming to the US I personally always felt there was a gla** ceiling placed on us. Those ceilings may still exist but this is certainly at least a crack.

Even if the man never does a thing for us directly as Africans or is part of some huge conspiracy or whatever the fact that he identifies himself as black and is recognized as such is a leap in the right direction for race relations the world over.

So NO the euphoria is NOT out of hand.


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ayo! im a hard thug nigga and all  :D  but this shit brought tears mayne!!! :-[

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I hear you Tate - and I do appreciate the huge symbolic statement his presidency is making for black people the world over - but that doesn't change the fact that he been lionised beyond what any mere mortal could possibly ever live up to.

The iconography of his campaign is that of a revolutionary or a rock star (depending on what appeals to you more) - people are in such a state of euphoria you'd think this was the second coming. Beyond his skin colour, he's just a mainstream American politician who faces ma**ive challenges.

It should also be pointed out that the euphoria is not just coming from African Americans (or black people from other parts of the world) - the whole world has been overcome by Obamania.

As a person, he is a way more accomplished that Bush, so he's a definite improvement, but that doesn't change the fact that there are incredibly powerful interests at stake who may not share his vision of the way forward.

So, in short, I'm happy Obama won, but let's see what happens...



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Tate, understood. Completely. My point is not that the euphoria is misplaced - what he has done is historic, unprecedented and bloody fantastic. It shows how far the US has come.

But I will say again: as someone who does not believe in trusting politicians until they put actions behind their words, I do not trust him. Not because of who he is, but because he is a power broker who may or may not be beholden to a system he cannot control.

I think as a person he is a great man. And if he puts actions behind his words, then I will be convinced.
I understand what you guys are saying about the proof being in the doing. That was not the point I was trying to make.
You cannot dismiss the euphoria around the election of this man identified as black as "misplaced" or "beyond his skin colour" coz thats what makes it such a monumental achievement.
Even if it is just a symbolic achievement the fact that he is black & likely had to deal with some prejudices that we can all identify with as black people makes us ecstatic with joy that may seem a bit too much from the outside looking in as you are. But believe me, from the inside out, no amount of euphoria is too much for this achievement.
It will surely inspire an entire race to dream as MLK did of beating said prejudices and rising to the "mountain top" achieving the highest accomplishments as Obama has.


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I hear you Tate - and I do appreciate the huge symbolic statement his presidency is making for black people the world over - but that doesn't change the fact that he been lionised beyond what any mere mortal could possibly ever live up to.

The iconography of his campaign is that of a revolutionary or a rock star (depending on what appeals to you more) - people are in such a state of euphoria you'd think this was the second coming. Beyond his skin colour, he's just a mainstream American politician who faces ma**ive challenges.

It should also be pointed out that the euphoria is not just coming from African Americans (or black people from other parts of the world) - the whole world has been overcome by Obamania.

As a person, he is a way more accomplished that Bush, so he's a definite improvement, but that doesn't change the fact that there are incredibly powerful interests at stake who may not share his vision of the way forward.

So, in short, I'm happy Obama won, but let's see what happens...



D got there first.

Tate, understood. Completely. My point is not that the euphoria is misplaced - what he has done is historic, unprecedented and bloody fantastic. It shows how far the US has come.

But I will say again: as someone who does not believe in trusting politicians until they put actions behind their words, I do not trust him. Not because of who he is, but because he is a power broker who may or may not be beholden to a system he cannot control.

I think as a person he is a great man. And if he puts actions behind his words, then I will be convinced.
I understand what you guys are saying about the proof being in the doing. That was not the point I was trying to make.
You cannot dismiss the euphoria around the election of this man identified as black as "misplaced" or "beyond his skin colour" coz thats what makes it such a monumental achievement.
Even if it is just a symbolic achievement the fact that he is black & likely had to deal with some prejudices that we can all identify with as black people makes us ecstatic with joy that may seem a bit too much from the outside looking in as you are. But believe me, from the inside out, no amount of euphoria is too much for this achievement.
It will surely inspire an entire race to dream as MLK did of beating said prejudices and rising to the "mountain top" achieving the highest accomplishments as Obama has.

That's all well and good and I accept all of that... I'm not trying to tell black people not to be happy or even euphoric about the fact that a black man has become president of the United States. I accept that it is significant because it shows that years of activism has made America a more civilised place.

However, firstly, I'm not sure that becoming the leader of an aggressively imperialistic, ultra-capitalist, inward-looking country is such a pinnacle of achievement, especially when you consider who else has held the post (Reagan, Bush etc). It's not as if there are no other Black role models - Black people have been elected to high office and held prestigious positions before. Black people have been university presidents, business leaders and leading sports and entertainment figures. Obama is _just_ a politician - there is nothing radical about his election.

Secondly, the office of the president of the United States is not _just_ a symbolic post. He has issues to deal with in the real world - ugly, dirty, difficult, real decisions to make. Beyond the colour of his skin, he's just a man. As much as I'd love not to be cynical, we don't live in a fluffy bunny world where the good guy comes and saves the day. 

What I object to is that people's response is so simplistic. All it takes is someone to come along against the background of years of Bush's incompetence saying, "we can make a change" and we all say, 'YES!', without any idea how we're going to do it.

So he's closed Guantanamo Bay? Big deal! Was that a tough political decision? No. Is there anyone in the world who feels strongly that it should be kept open? No. I will judge him on how he delivers on his promises of social justice whilst keeping big business happy. I will judge him on how he handles the Middle East, Iraq, Iran, Northern Korea and even South America. Being Black means nothing if he can't actually effect change.

"The Obama phenomenon, I think, reflects the alienation of the population that you find in the polls: 80% say the country is run by a few big interests. While Obama says we are going to change that, there’s no indication of what the change is going to be. In fact, the financial institutions, which are his major contributors, think he’s fine, so there’s no indication of any change. But if you say “change,” people will grasp at it; you say “change” and “hope,” and people will grasp at this and say, OK, maybe this is the savior who will bring about what we want, even though there is no evidence for it. ... So I think the Obama phenomenon and people’s alienation go hand in hand."

- Naom Chomsky


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That's all well and good and I accept all of that... I'm not trying to tell black people not to be happy or even euphoric about the fact that a black man has become president of the United States. I accept that it is significant because it shows that years of activism has made America a more civilised place.

However, firstly, I'm not sure that becoming the leader of an aggressively imperialistic, ultra-capitalist, inward-looking country is such a pinnacle of achievement, especially when you consider who else has held the post (Reagan, Bush etc). It's not as if there are no other Black role models - Black people have been elected to high office and held prestigious positions before. Black people have been university presidents, business leaders and leading sports and entertainment figures. Obama is _just_ a politician - there is nothing radical about his election.

Secondly, the office of the president of the United States is not _just_ a symbolic post. He has issues to deal with in the real world - ugly, dirty, difficult, real decisions to make. Beyond the colour of his skin, he's just a man. As much as I'd love not to be cynical, we don't live in a fluffy bunny world where the good guy comes and saves the day. 

What I object to is that people's response is so simplistic. All it takes is someone to come along against the background of years of Bush's incompetence saying, "we can make a change" and we all say, 'YES!', without any idea how we're going to do it.

So he's closed Guantanamo Bay? Big deal! Was that a tough political decision? No. Is there anyone in the world who feels strongly that it should be kept open? No. I will judge him on how he delivers on his promises of social justice whilst keeping big business happy. I will judge him on how he handles the Middle East, Iraq, Iran, Northern Korea and even South America. Being Black means nothing if he can't actually effect change.

"The Obama phenomenon, I think, reflects the alienation of the population that you find in the polls: 80% say the country is run by a few big interests. While Obama says we are going to change that, there’s no indication of what the change is going to be. In fact, the financial institutions, which are his major contributors, think he’s fine, so there’s no indication of any change. But if you say “change,” people will grasp at it; you say “change” and “hope,” and people will grasp at this and say, OK, maybe this is the savior who will bring about what we want, even though there is no evidence for it. ... So I think the Obama phenomenon and people’s alienation go hand in hand."

- Naom Chomsky


Either you are reading my mind or some other strange shit is going down.

Firstly you summed up my thoughts exactly, and secondly, you beat me to posting the Chomsky.





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Either you are reading my mind or some other strange shit is going down.

Firstly you summed up my thoughts exactly, and secondly, you beat me to posting the Chomsky.



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