I don't know if any a ya'll are into seduction but if you are you should definately check out sumatha material out there, I mean this shit is crazy, if you've read 'The Game' by Neill Strauss yo'll know about sumathem. Like the Octoberman, this dude claims you can create a sexually free identity inside a broad right and you can link pain to anything she thinks about that isn't about you. Have you heard of it? I got a copy it's an ebook.