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you know i was just thinking about the issue of food.

that sometimes when we break things down, if only we could take it there. the basics.

the issue of food. i mean im sure we've grown (or been left no choice but to) somewhat accustomed to the changes that have had to be made in terms of our pockets. just in relation to what is happening the world over, in terms of the financial sector. we are no different, not special. we arent and wont go unscathed, obviously. the world being the size of a peanut and all.

but when we delve into our particular circumstances and just take a look. something bothers me. is bothering me. this issue of food not just being left to an explanation of simple economic 'market related' factors. i think its disgusting how under wraps, all things considered, the saga with the big brands colluding to match fix food pricing was kept. i think its absolutely shocking. and unnacceptable. a slight discussion in the corridors of power, murmurings amongst those in the know. this should have been put on the public platform in a big way. these guys should have been hung out to dry in a very big way. lets play fair. this business of being selective in what we deem in public interest. media should have made such an issue of this case. disseminated and simplified it in ways that could reach even those people who dont read the specialist papers.

this is precisely the kind of information the ordinary south african should have been made more privy too. because where the government isnt entirely to blame, the people must know who is. they must know. we know how to nail other quarters and not other. these guys got away with fines. bread is like 9 bucks. and they who can afford it, got away with fines. the processes and findings of this case should have been shared more openly and made more simpler for people to hook in and understand. i feel like there's this problematic gap between the people who own the means of understanding, of information, just talking to themselves. there is a need in this country of people being informed, of the things that actually matter, that affect them. from all angles. when you dont know, you will a**ume all sorts of things. people are hungry. and when people are hungry sooner or later it becomes everyones problem. food is a national issue. its one of those. they dont know whats going on and so they blame government when evidently white collar crime is rampant across the board in this country. this matter was dealt with quite carefully and quietly and that concerns me. it wasnt in our faces. these are double standards. 

yes, people need to take the intiative, but the reality of where we are is that, the majority of the people in this country have no access. and obviously then most times means of reasoning become limited. whilst in the choices made in media spaces available to them, the people who can, dont. 

bread is 9 bucks. bread. 
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Good one Rhozie.

Every once in a while you post one of your long posts and it is just too interesting not to read.

I agree that there is something very wrong with a country where people who collude to rip off the poor get away with fines so small they can pay them with the profits from one week of business, while still continuing to rip off the people afterwards. Then when a poor member of the public steals a loaf of bread in order to feed her family, she gets sent to jail for five years, by some prick of a judge who obviously has no concept of punishment suiting the crime.

What do we do about it though? Because the media obviously isn't that interested in reporting on it, since their owners are often linked to the offending companies in some way, and those who can afford to spend money on a newspaper often aren't the ones being hardest hit by the price increases.






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pyro, ill respond in a few. ill be back.

but this morning theres an article/advert by a retailer about their mission to make some significant cuts on a number of goods. apparently another retailer has also put out notice that they will be doing the same.

look after i wrote this another thing i wondered about is what kind of government intervention is possible, because i dont know, when a sector related commission conducts its own inquiry and has its own findings. i dont know the intricacies of how these things work, so i cant quite comment, but i wondered what should have government done following this. without these people being tried in a court of law, what government intervention was possible here on behalf of the people. when the prices then remained the same as a result of such fiddling.

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I spoke to a lawyer friend of mine about this a while back and he says that thought government has found that there has been illegal price fixing and fined them, there is still nothing government can do to force them to reduce their prices afterwards.

Its the same as when Toyota was fined for artificially boosting their prices a few years back. It is all up to retailers and consumers then to say that we won't buy products from these companies until they drop their prices and the retailers should stop stocking their goods as well if we want to see any change.




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..and then well i almost choked on my bread then, when upon actually taking further time to read this advert/article, they were saying how this move was prompted by the fact that a huge segment of their market has been quite hard hit by the financial crisis - the black diamonds. im just like can we just forget about the diamonds for a second, i mean really. but i suppose i am idealist and i know this, doing something coz you genuinely care will probably earn you a laff. there is something fundamentally wrong with the situation as it is on a large scale, the black diamonds join everybody else. this wasnt about fancy goods, we are talking the basics. right down to the kideos having to go to primary school on empty stomachs. this like all the other crap thats going on, it stands right up there with its attempts at crippling the nation. this is the kind of stuff that cripples the nation. kids not going to school, people disgruntled in addition to all their problems, getting agitated, and then theyll south africa is going down. well youre trying to starve its people. youre also not helping.

what id quite like, as someone who isnt in the know, is a panel discussion involving retailers and suppliers. so that they can explain how this process works. say for example what happens at that very moment when a retailer is being put in the position where they see that there has to be something going on when now all their suppliers of a particular product hike their prices significantly. what happens in that moment. are the suppliers in a more powerful position then the big retailers. when we know the inflation rates and then theres just this sitting there not adding up. dont THEY themselves have recourse suppliers, as the first point of call. thats scary too then.

and now what off the small middle man. the mom and pops stores. what about those guys. coz now maybe these big guns can say well we'll do you the favour of...but the guy who isnt so and so, its game over for that guy. where there arent any big stores, in the outlying areas of the country. i mean imagine. where now theres nothing going on there, no employment, limited development and then you wake up one day and then now you cant even afford bread. how sour would you be.

i think its crazy that they cant force them to take down the price. i think its crazy. coz maybe then ill also try pull a fast one, be a stuntman and then you can fine me, but ill be done. have you eating dust bra. communication is so much more important than people realise sometimes. its a tool. there are all these communication entities and departments but nobody ever knows anything. they should have found ways to get out to people to explain this. failing the ability to put any pressure on these okes, and knowing how incestuous the system is and how things work, media being horrendously selective, the onus should have been on government to use whatever, community channels, community organisations, these flippin district representatives who never do their jobs, gather people and let them know look this is whats going on. this is what has happened here. i think moving on, im just more vexed at the idea that then people generally didnt know about this. there are other ways and other channels, whats missing is the responsibility and urgency required to realise that these type of things have to happen. more so in those spaces where they are most tunlikely. this is the kind of schlep work that has to be done. that isnt being done. communication left to and dependent on systems we know are not always impartial. its important for people to be a**isted in understanding that there are various dynamics at play. but you have to make that effort if you know. this stuff is the kind of small stuff that chips away, repeatedly and unnoticed. and then things fall apart. there are these kind of things ahppening out there aswell.

and then i think about the trade unions affiliated with these companies, in terms of being industry specific, how bout putting your tools down bout that. the bread theyre making, that they now wont afford to eat. let them eat cake.

unfortunately this can be quite tricky terrain for me, even as though you never wanna be that guy who just puts up a red flag. you want to say well try this and this or look at it this way. i dont know what the solutions would be here practically. i dont know enough about how these things work. i just think it sucks.

and it has made me sad.
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Good one Rhozie.

Every once in a while you post one of your long posts and it is just too interesting not to read.

I agree that there is something very wrong with a country where people who collude to rip off the poor get away with fines so small they can pay them with the profits from one week of business, while still continuing to rip off the people afterwards. Then when a poor member of the public steals a loaf of bread in order to feed her family, she gets sent to jail for five years, by some prick of a judge who obviously has no concept of punishment suiting the crime.

What do we do about it though? Because the media obviously isn't that interested in reporting on it, since their owners are often linked to the offending companies in some way, and those who can afford to spend money on a newspaper often aren't the ones being hardest hit by the price increases.



well put Pyro, and on the issue of media, i think the community radio stations would play a pivotal role in taking up these issues and go beyond just reporting on them but also mobilize (no Julius) the communities to respond.


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I thought the commision have already fined these Bread cartels millions of rands for fixing the price as a result they brought down the price. These competition tribunal commission investigate one industry at a time, last year it was the steel and Bread industry(as they were fined hefty fees, this year they are after the Dairy industry.         Anyway i buy my bread for the past 2 years at Pick n Pay at a cost of R5.20 mofos its so fresh n hot from the oven.  R9 for bread Damn! Is that Albany bread its nice and got a rich taste too.


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I buy seed bread and that is R9,80.

I can't afford it any more, so I think I must also start doing the Pick n Pay thing.




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I buy seed bread and that is R9,80.

I can't afford it any more, so I think I must also start doing the Pick n Pay thing.

dude thats between 7 and 8 bucks not very far off

now u need to find a shop that bakes its own bread. they mosly cheaper.
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I think I must find myself a girl who can bake me some seed bread every morning.




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I think I must find myself a girl who can bake me some seed bread every morning.

i been looking for one for close to 4 years now... im still lookin

heck!! cant even find me one that will fry me an egg. an egg <sigh>
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I think I must find myself a girl who can bake me some seed bread every morning.

i been looking for one for close to 4 years now... im still lookin

heck!! cant even find me one that will fry me an egg. an egg <sigh>

What's wrong with your hands that you can't fry it yourself.


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I think I must find myself a girl who can bake me some seed bread every morning.

i been looking for one for close to 4 years now... im still lookin

heck!! cant even find me one that will fry me an egg. an egg <sigh>

What's wrong with your hands that you can't fry it yourself.

um baldi. wasnt um... how do u say it talking to you.
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I think I must find myself a girl who can bake me some seed bread every morning.

i been looking for one for close to 4 years now... im still lookin

heck!! cant even find me one that will fry me an egg. an egg <sigh>

What's wrong with your hands that you can't fry it yourself.

um baldi. wasnt um... how do u say it talking to you.

Then next time please make use of this phenomenal thing called PM