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Yo don't get me wrong I admire anyone that takes the effort to handle a show that big and make it work out, just don't feel the same about the festival as i used too.

i understand people have to eat I'd be a real dick if i was denying that.
good luck to all involved, think i got misunderstood here, will keep quiet from now on.

Don't feel i need to justify my thoughts to anyone regarding a choice of mine.

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Alternative opinions help things to evolve. I wanted to know so I could understand where you coming from and you have raised valid points.

There's something beautiful about the strong affiliation and sense of owership we feel with regards to our underground expression platforms. The love for the music, the culture.

I would like to know though, is there no room in SA hiphop  for the commercial sound to co-exist with the underground? To share stages? Do we feel threatened that they will take over? That sponsors will want to see more of them and less of the music we love?





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Hawu guys lets go and enjoy ourselves there! Every heads favourite artist is there.


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im so jealous :(

I hope it rains heavily tomorrow (jokes)
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I would like to know though, is there no room in SA hiphop  for the commercial sound to co-exist with the underground? To share stages? Do we feel threatened that they will take over? That sponsors will want to see more of them and less of the music we love?

Thats exactly what i was saying, the first Back to the City was exactly that, the commercial cats were upstaged that day and put alot of things into perspective for me and others, i definitely think the stages can be shared its a barrier that has to be broken.

That was my point i was tryna put across, shit on this tour in europe we've played on the same stages with rock bands, house cats, jiggy dudes even a french folk band! That worked out fine! Obviously hip hop across the board can be on the same stage the heads against xenophobia was another gig where that worked out.

i think if its done more regularly it can build a culture much better than dividing the small fanbase...


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intergration is great, the new south africa, the global village -great, being able to eat...a great necessity no qualms about it. Not so great is the ideal that a lot of 'underground' heads can enjoy the event without denouncing aspects of it that are less than appealing to their acquired tastes for definitive acoustics. The ideal that tolerance can easily be substituted with pleasure to create this 'fair' balance.

in my opinion & experience of SA hip hop - however narrow minded it may seem, alternative hip hop artists and faithfuls do not dig being spoonfed commercial rap music full stop and the same applies with commercial fans. in spite of our different preferences, ideas & feelings about hip hop, underground & commercial cats do have similar interests & form partnerships/relations, be peoples based on other shit - personality, business interests, favourite soccer teams, whateva! My friend/ex room-mate (like my entire family) couldn't stand the hip hop i listen to & i wasn't exactly thrilled about her collection either but that's okay coz we was good on so many levels. so while we'd often go to live jazz events together, we'd never be in attendance @ the same hip hop gig...just sayin', this not hate speech.

Nascent i get what u say about it part being about adjustment & extending the fanbase and i do respect it coz it comes from a good place but realistically we're just not there, a lot of us don't wanna get there, just because we don't see this sudden need 4 damaging amounts of hospitality. I alone can't think up a single good enough reason why we should be jumping on this wagon, considering that it requires a certain amount of compromise, a compromise that alienates some.

Wouldn't work better perhaps to invite artists from other equally or similarly orientated creative genres, introduce them to the hip hop we like, enjoy what they have to offer instead of sharing our aero moments with artists within the genre but who r at an opposing side of what we do? I'm not saying promoters should not do it this, not hating and not saying they should not accomodate this kind of hip hop & i'm certainly not saying ideas should be created without the possibility of expansion. But the main issue here is these are 2 different worlds- the messages r different, the sounds are different, the aim and so to appreciation. The one message cannot completely thrive or suck in the necessary nutrients by the roots if the other keeps casting blue crystals in the same patch of soil! For the same fan's attention. Which of the 2 points is being driven home here? Coz that are a few ways to live a little, in the many forms that underground hip hop is. some of us r comfortable & satiated in what we're used to & love to love - just that pure inexcusably explosive innovative feeling from an all sorts of limitless underground hip hop bill. But the fan is not my only concern, the artist too coz the value monetary or in terms of exposure is always given to the commercial rapper, the home side if we can call it that, stay hungry coz a few hundred is usually the mark of their worth when the two are up on the same stage, at least 90 percent of the time. I can understanding this kind of thing like some1 said when it comes to events like Hip Hop against Xenophobia or such initiatives.

As Jules put it into perspective, some of the original following is, whether we likes it or not, in polar opposites with syrupy rap & at loggerhedz with some or all things bearing the commercial sartorial of hip hop. This image of supposed harmony doesn't render fully necessary for the reasons given. It is no doubt viable for commercial interest in promotional strategy & in that sense has many gratifying benefits but not so for the fan. Among those mentioned, the expanding fanbase. I won't be surprised at a major success to come from such an event i mean from the trajectory i've seen hip hop take over the years, this intergration mission is likely to work well especially with the younger, bornfree generation with all this insurbodination & fresh quirks about sharing & caring. admittedly i got a less-than-tropical, more unorthodox view & i enjoy the bias. Almost as much as i enjoy being at a particular kind of event without even as much as the peripheral of what i don't dig.

but as some cats  pointed out, it's what the fest used to be, what it used to represent, flag, encourage & push that gave it that special appeal to you the fans. This quicksand shift is leaving some in neglect thanks once again to commercialisation and the legion reasons why commercial rappers are more entitled to 'eat', first from the very shaky hands that feed them monotony, & now from alternative platforms too??!

that said, knowing the organisers/founders who have over the years promoted the more alternative side of the artform...who i look up to as key players, respect as veterans in SA hip hop. Seeing that they are coming uncaged from the seemingly onedimensional way in which the likes of me see progression in indie hip hop ( black-or-white with an acceptable margin only of overhearing the JRs of this world from a pa**ing taxi); i would have to guess that does in itself lend hope to this idea that such an environment can be created, conjusive to the attraction of these contrasting sides. 

for that reason, i'm urging myself on to go thru, but also meet up with peoples, network & support those i dig that are sowhat worth the compromise...there's no telling wut it's gonna be like though, it will be my first polygamous experience/ment with hip hop on that scale. The last 2 times i went i didn't stay long enough to witness much of the other side or to develop a taste for cocktail.

 








 




 


 
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Federation and driemanskap is nice.lets mingle with the ma**es,vip section is boring.
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shit it's been dope yo. B-boy stage nice esp the battles plus drie's stage presence & set was dope. Just checked out the beatboxers 'Infinites' sick shit. I'm back at the b-boy stage again. Lovin it


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DOPENESS!! Drie, Federation, Black Moss(sp), and some names i have forgotten! nice!!

it amazing how people were not bothered by the rain. still so many people at that time of the night while it rained, that was beautiful man. i loved being there seeing people so into it.

The sound was great! a whole lot of people i heard and those i watched were great! accept for the backstage or around the stage disorder since there were too many people with access to it, the gig looked very organised! what a great event it was for me!!

I was mad that the afterparty ended too soon. i met random dudes and females and had crazy conversations and i bought some weed i wont even be able to finish before i leave jozi. `the whole transaction was too funny now that i think about it.

do yall think i can get away with mailing it to my address in CT? i dont have the courage to fly back with it.


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When it comes to the whole who deserves to be on the line-up...

For me it doesn't matter if they are unsigned or big. My rule would be, woiuld this person support the show if they were not playing. O.S.T or The Bank?
That's the difference between Tuni and Glittz Gang.

Otherwise show was dope, the Federation killed it.
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Show was off the hinges. I loved the atmosphere, the people who were there really made it quite special. Glad they had beer this time around. LOL !!!!

Big ups to Lee, your special Ms. Kasumba. Big ups to everyone who showed The Federation love.

Didn't really agree with the line-up as well, cos it's always been a sort of a gra**-roots event, but at the end of it, i had so much fun it didn't matter anymore. Let's do it again next year ya. Big ups to Osmic and Dominique for putting on a great show. Power tripped for like 30 minutes, but people still stuck around. Big ups to HIP-HOP overall.
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It was nice seeing these cats live afterall i have their music. Smerf was nice,projekta was nice,Abdus had phat beats on there.


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the alcohol area made too much sense.
the music by the b-boy stage held me down.
Had a good laugh watching some of the performances. whats up with the milli vanilli shit cats are on? that lip syncing shit dont work..
Missed the Federation..was parking when they were on.
caught driemanskaap...nice energy on stage ..that was dope.
was expecting to see projectah elderbars..dunno how i missed that.. even mothipa (money cut his dreads).. I think it was the vodka. I enjoyed last days fam...

ondaground's bankie was the shit... didnt even need to touch my stash...
loved it when RAS and 'em hopped on stage and did "limping" ...
Left during zaki ibrahim's set. I was in stitches with the choreography and the back up singers.

And the tumi and MXO joint made my day....even his first joint...the beat...i think i need to cop the album on the strength of yesterday... i had a good laugh and a good time yesterday regardless of the rain..














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the alcohol area made too much sense.
the music by the b-boy stage held me down.
Had a good laugh watching some of the performances. whats up with the milli vanilli shit cats are on? that lip syncing shit dont work..
Missed the Federation..was parking when they were on.
caught driemanskaap...nice energy on stage ..that was dope.
was expecting to see projectah elderbars..dunno how i missed that.. even mothipa (money cut his dreads).. I think it was the vodka. I enjoyed last days fam...

ondaground's bankie was the shit... didnt even need to touch my stash...
loved it when RAS and 'em hopped on stage and did "limping" ...
Left during zaki ibrahim's set. I was in stitches with the choreography and the back up singers.

And the tumi and MXO joint made my day....even his first joint...the beat...i think i need to cop the album on the strength of yesterday... i had a good laugh and a good time yesterday regardless of the rain..

hahahah

was it Kwesta who had the funnyiest and lamest punchlines? hahaha shit we were in stitches during that performance. "i got a fan base, you only have fans with ba**/base". hahaha. he has shit loads of this kind of stuff. just forgot them


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@RR.. did u check when the glitz gang did some joint with a hook that goes like " do u like it when it rains...yeaaaahhhh..do u like it when it rains ...yeeeaaahhhh" ... i was finished...

the punchline mcs also made my day.... they had the crowd going tho but some of the punchlines was just funny and corny ... i need one of those guys to keep around for comic relief...
i even heard some shit (on my way to refill vodka) like "dont touch me in my studio ..." some thing along those lines.. i was dead... who was that?!!!!?!
another one was "" somethig something... rhythm city i got hustle" i was finished....


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