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Title: The "N" Word
Post by: Vexer on December 10, 2006, 06:32:23 PM
http://p076.ezboard.com/fpoliticalpalacefrm73.showMessage?topicID=366.topic

Interesting essay.
Title: The word "Nigger" & its use in Hip-Hop not a p
Post by: dat dude who happens to rap! on December 11, 2006, 12:50:38 PM
Personally I think it has grow away from the rasist meaning, to one that hip-hop cats address each other by! since I rap, Sometyms cats will make a comment like "That whiteboy is my Nigga", So its all based on in which context we use the word!, Obviously if I say it, it will cause outrage, and shit, but lets all think outside the box for a second. Honestly I dont think that anyone that raps and uses the word in is 16, intends it to be rasist!

Think about it


Explicit
Title: The word "Nigger" & its use in Hip-Hop not a p
Post by: Draztik on December 11, 2006, 01:32:38 PM
dude you just used the word.... i really think twice when i use it, i really think we need to stop using it, it bares too many conatations. whiteboy is my nigga dont make it any better. i lived both sides ,south africa and the US, but i mean its like us comercializing the word KAFIR... think about it just Because our favorite emcees use it!!! i mean common.
Title: The word "Nigger" & its use in Hip-Hop not a p
Post by: Dpleezy on December 11, 2006, 02:02:58 PM
The argument that "some of your boys use the word" does not take away the historical meaning of the word. My view is that white people should just stay away from it, period.

Why, as a white person, would you want to use a racially-charged word that you know offends some black people because of its racist connotations? It doesn't make you more 'down' - if anything, the complete opposite.
Title: The word "Nigger" & its use in Hip-Hop not a p
Post by: dat dude who happens to rap! on December 11, 2006, 02:13:53 PM
You just getting it twisted, I dont use it, I was just making an example, yes it is contriversial and bad, Im not disagreeing with that!

Explicit
Title: The word "Nigger" & its use in Hip-Hop not a p
Post by: TATEguru v.2K9 on December 11, 2006, 02:27:18 PM
Quote from: "explicit"
Personally I think it has grow away from the rasist meaning, to one that hip-hop cats address each other by! since I rap, Sometyms cats will make a comment like "That whiteboy is my Nigga", So its all based on in which context we use the word!, Obviously if I say it, it will cause outrage, and shit, but lets all think outside the box for a second. Honestly I dont think that anyone that raps and uses the word in is 16, intends it to be rasist!

Think about it


Explicit


Why do you continue to draw negative attention to yourself man?

I Agree with Draz & D Planet just steer clear of the term. If black Americans we (in my opinion) dumb enough to embrace it doesn't mean that its okay to use it.
I tire of this debate but it seems some people never learn.
Title: The word "Nigger" & its use in Hip-Hop not a p
Post by: Dpleezy on December 11, 2006, 02:27:40 PM
hahah,,, aight, my bad ;)
Title: The word "Nigger" & its use in Hip-Hop not a p
Post by: Vexer on December 11, 2006, 03:08:25 PM
I understand the historic negative connotations the word has, however, from a social and cultural dynamics perspective isn't it legitmately possible to argue that the word's meaning has changed.

Here is an excerpt of a Styles P interview where the issue of the "N" word comes up:

Styles P: When somebody from the hood is calling you [“n***a”], there is no emotional attachment. He’s not trying to degrade you or disgrace you or anything- he’s saying it out of love. So when someone other then that calls you that, it takes it to another level. I think from us using it with each other it’s kinda turning a negative into a positive. For them to still use it, it’s a negative-negative. When we use it, it’s a loving and endearing term. No matter where the word came from, it’s [about] the context of what we use it now. The word came from somewhere but the word hot originally meant something was hot, but hot means something is cool now. It’s alright to switch those words around, but it’s not correct to switch [“n***a”] around.

At the end of the day, culture and language as a component of culture are in constant flux.

The result is that as life progress culture evolves.Has the word "N" word not evolved as well?

Maybe the problem is that the "N" word hasn't completely evolved and so it can still be used to cause offence, hence people's sensitivity bcoz the word seems to possess a double-barrel meaning depending on the context its used and on the intention of the person uttering the word.

One thing is clear though, the word can both be offensive and inoffensive depending on the intention of whoever says it.

I think if u're black and u honestly trust the relationship u have with a white cat and u know their fundamental intentions I don't see why a white person u know and trust can't adopt the term "nigga" in its benevolent sense to address u. Its like Eminem not being able to call D-12 his niggaz.

I wouldn't advise a white person to address a black dude they don't have a personal relationship with as "nigga" bcoz their intentions are not likely to be understood.

To me the most important thing is that culture evolves and the realisation that the power of the "N" word to offend lies solely in historic intention and the malicious intent of those who today choose to utter the word with a desire to offend.

However, the word itself has no inherent power to offend and ultimately whether I am offended as a black person lies in the meaning I choose to give to the word when its uttered to me.

That meaning is not purely dependant on the historcal meaning of the word, but its also dependent on the cultural norms we have today.

I will therefore only attach the historical meaning where I conclude that the person uttering the words has the intention to offend.If I conclude that there's no intention to offend, then I'll attach a benevolent meaning to the word according to the cultural norms we have today.
 
At the end of the day we may even rob the "N" word of its offensive power as time progresses.

Maybe one day instead of thinking the "N" word is offensive, perhaps peolpe will understand that altho its origins were negative it has come to mean something else.

Pac's own interpretation was Never Ignorant Getting Goals Accomplished.

This way maybe someday everyone will want to be a Nigga.
Title: The word "Nigger" & its use in Hip-Hop not a p
Post by: TATEguru v.2K9 on December 11, 2006, 03:19:34 PM
Quote from: "explicit"
You just getting it twisted, I dont use it, I was just making an example, yes it is contriversial and bad, Im not disagreeing with that!

Explicit


BUT....

Quote from: "explicit"
Quote from: "French Toaster"
Yo what up my fellow AG peeps, I just wanna know sumthin, how many of ya’ll feel offended when white boys use the word NIGGA, because I do.And if any of ya’ll know Explicit, he is a white boy who uses the term so freely, and he is not suppose to, like when he battled Reason on YFM, the battle turned very personal and he called Reason a nigga. And he often calls in on 5fm and uses the term so freely, I respect him as an mc, I’m actually a big fan but he was not born with the right to use the term.
Not 2 offend any white people on the site but nigga is a term which should be used by only black, coloured and Latino niggas, I don’t believe in white niggaz, it brings back bad memories for white people to use it Period.


Ya its explicit here you just making an issue out of nothing so what if I use the word, I dont use it in racist way or mean any harm, you say "hey if you black you can say nigga or latino can say nigga but because im white you feel offended? Dont I feel offended when cats say white boy in Zulu or sotho? But just cause Exlicit used Nigga its suddenly bad cause im white! Dawg get your facts straight before you talk shit! and trying draw negative attention on my a**, cause I have worked f***in hard to get the respect of the streets and you are just tryin to f*** it up for me, You have a problem address me on explicitmcu@gmail.com and tell your friends that also got offended they can send me there hate mail as well or shut the f*** up and dont make shit a public issue
Your Trully
Explicit


So now you're denying ever using the word?..
Title: The word "Nigger" & its use in Hip-Hop not a p
Post by: dat dude who happens to rap! on December 12, 2006, 11:21:39 AM
Yeah and now we go back to the beginning again!


Explicit
Title: The word "Nigger" & its use in Hip-Hop not a p
Post by: Tebzah on December 13, 2006, 04:36:39 PM
This explicit cat sounds dead stupid..........pity I was gonna check his shit out but hey I changed my mind........I'll warn my camp not 2 lay they hands on his material too(if he got any)

Thanx 4 comming clean fool, now we know
Title: The word "Nigger" & its use in Hip-Hop not a p
Post by: Naturelle on December 13, 2006, 06:07:38 PM
Get off Explicits case.
Title: The word "Nigger" & its use in Hip-Hop not a p
Post by: One_man_army on December 14, 2006, 10:31:10 AM
Quote from: "Tebzah"
This explicit cat sounds dead stupid..........pity I was gonna check his shit out but hey I changed my mind........I'll warn my camp not 2 lay they hands on his material too(if he got any)

Thanx 4 comming clean fool, now we know


I know explicit from back in the day of battles with crusade and Q, we went to the same high-school, and explicit is far from what you f***s make him out to be on this website. I want to tell you he was the first white boy that I know who came to alexandra to take up a battle challenge! He has got dope luv in alex, and soweto and any other suburb where his name had been heard. All you cats are doing is discrediting a good artist who is trying to make it, I dont think any of you f***s here have worked as hard as he has. And for your information explicit is my NIGGA and always will be.So with shit like that! its no wonder why he left.
Title: The word "Nigger" & its use in Hip-Hop not a p
Post by: Dpleezy on December 14, 2006, 11:08:55 AM
If a person comes on AG and expresses an opinion, they gotta be able to stand by their word and defend themselves if need be,,, it's a discussion forum - get over it.

It's a FACT that some people get offended by the N-word. It's a FACT that Explict chooses to use it (by his own admission).

You can't pretend you didn't say something, or just tell people to 'let it go' because it's unpopular and you'd rather focus on something else.

No one has 'made him out' to be anything. I don't think anyone on AG has said that Explicit is a racist - or attempted to discredit him in any other way. If people have issues with him using the N-word they have every right to express those issues on AG.

When you become a public figure, you have to be able to accept that not everyone will see things the same way as you - you will have to answer your critics and defend yourself. Running away from issues does not silence critics.
Title: The word "Nigger" & its use in Hip-Hop not a p
Post by: One_man_army on December 14, 2006, 11:35:08 AM
Public this and Public that! f*** you make out as if this place is filled with puppets. As it stand explicit was f***ed up back in the day, with the rap shit and he did say nigga alot, but recently I haven't heard him say it for a good, 9 months. Its evident that he changed! and you hard headed f***s just dont understand, and hear his side of the story!
Title: The word "Nigger" & its use in Hip-Hop not a p
Post by: churchofthe latterdayLatte on December 14, 2006, 11:52:29 AM
they have heard his side of the story...they happen to think he's wrong. that's gonna happen whether you're on AG or not...its life. frankly, i dont understand how one allows themselves to be frustrated and affected by people he has no relationships with beyond a keyboard...seriously.build a bridge and get over it.

sometimes the best release is to stop arguing for the sake of being  right, accept that your view is wrong, and learn a new way...its growth...change...and unfortunately for softserve X, its constant.
Title: The word "Nigger" & its use in Hip-Hop not a p
Post by: TATEguru v.2K9 on December 14, 2006, 01:33:24 PM
co-sign D Planet couldnt have sed it better myself.

Quote from: "One_man_army"
Public this and Public that! f*** you make out as if this place is filled with puppets.

This statement makes no sense. Please ellaborate...

Quote from: "One_man_army"

As it stand explicit was f***ed up back in the day, with the rap shit and he did say nigga alot, but recently I haven't heard him say it for a good, 9 months.

Explicit was on AG less than a month ago justifying his use of the N-word. The above quotes are from within a 9 (even 2) month timeframe.

Quote from: "One_man_army"

Its evident that he changed! and you hard headed f***s just dont understand, and hear his side of the story!

But thats EXACTLY the point evidently based on his comments on this very thread he HAS NOT changed.
Had he had the decency to come on here & show some remorse (for want of a better word) I'm sure those of us opposed to his use of the term would not have kept raising it up.
Instead he came here (in my opinion & others I've spoken to) rather arrogantly continually running his mouth calling people (me in particular) names reinforcing but never JUSTIFYING (i.e. making us see his reasoning) his position.
Title: The "N" Word
Post by: That Bastard Crook on December 10, 2008, 05:59:04 PM
So, I'm in Hyde Park chillin' wid my favourite whiteboy Brett The Butcher, someone knocks on the door an' another whiteboy comes through an' Butcher introduces him as follows "...Yo Crook dis my nigga Vaughn, he mad nice on production, yo Vaughn dis my nigga Crook remember?......" And you know what da most ironic thing was; I ain't even feel offended in the slightest. So what does that say about our use of the word nigga? Coz I for one use the word nigga regardless of whether I'm talking about a white kid, brother, Asian or whoever. Has the word nigga lost it's racist connotations when used in a suitable context? I mean one whiteboy introducing another as "my nigga" actually made me laugh. Just askin'.
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: The Angry Hand of God on December 10, 2008, 06:02:43 PM
Just admit that you were scared. What he said did offend you, but he is a white boy, whose nickname is "The Butcher", so you were too scared to say shit, in case he got the name for a reason.
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: That Bastard Crook on December 10, 2008, 06:06:11 PM
Just admit that you were scared. What he said did offend you, but he is a white boy, whose nickname is "The Butcher", so you were too scared to say shit, in case he got the name for a reason.

Pyro please, I grew up with Brett; we both went to Camps Bay Primary and High School together. That's my nigga right there.
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: Thornz on December 10, 2008, 06:14:45 PM
There was this white kid in my cla** who used it, the funny thing was he wasn't into hip hop or anythin but I guess he just liked the way it rolled off his tongue. The first time he called me that i wasn't offended either, bu l8a i told em nicely that i wasnt comfortable wid em referring to me as such...I neva used 2 use the word myself cuz i found it demeaning, but being in hip hop circles as often as i am...eishhh, it happens sometyms  :-[
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: J-oNE/Pat-B-Rick on December 10, 2008, 06:32:20 PM
When I was at school in P.E earlier this year, some white du' I didnt know (I later found out he was a prefect at my school) came to where me and my friends used to chill at the end of break to tell us to go to cla**. Now I dont know if he was tryna mock us or if he was being 'friendly', he says "niggaz (he said it surprisingly naturally too), the bells gone"
I for one didnt do anything as I allow some of my white friends say the word............ my friends didnt take it lightly at all.
They didnt hurt him though, they were just swearing at him and what not. Obviously I threw in a couple words to stay cool with ma niggaz ;D.
Im not THAT offended. But there is a limit.
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: That Bastard Crook on December 12, 2008, 02:56:04 PM
Ayo da question is not whether you feel offended when someone calls you nigga, but da general use of the word. For example don't you find it comical when one whiteboy calls another whiteboy "my nigga". Or (as i've experienced) an Asian cat calling one 'a' his Asian homies "yo nigga".
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: SIR DEEJAY MZU on December 12, 2008, 03:33:23 PM
id prolly laugh if i heard 2 white boys addressing each other as niggas... I think in SA the word nigga has never really had the deeper meaning that it has for the folks in America...
*SA whites say the word nigga around the right niggas*
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: Blizzard on December 12, 2008, 03:36:33 PM
@ Crook

would you be offended if he were to call you a k******
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: Tuboy on December 12, 2008, 03:43:16 PM
I laughed at Kid Rock sayin it to another whiteboy infront of Luda! But will they be fine if you say Yo Bliz this is my Cracker (so and so) ??? when addressin them
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: Blizzard on December 12, 2008, 03:47:20 PM
I laughed at Kid Rock sayin it to another whiteboy infront of Luda! But will they be fine if you say Yo Bliz this is my Cracker (so and so) ??? when addressin them

i don't think so
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: The Mighty Loks on December 12, 2008, 03:48:38 PM
I laughed at Kid Rock sayin it to another whiteboy infront of Luda! But will they be fine if you say Yo Bliz this is my Cracker (so and so) ??? when addressin them

White people aren't really phased by the term cracker,well at least the white people that I've come into contact with.
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: Enis21 on December 12, 2008, 03:48:53 PM
I think it would've been more interesting if he were to say: "ayo! this is my k****** Butcher..."etc


Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: cash on December 12, 2008, 04:11:55 PM
The term "nigga" is a term for "Friend/Homeboy/Hip-hop head/G/Brother etc.
I call ALL my friends and a**ociates "nigga", whether black/white/coloured/asian!
If you go to Midrand theres mad Indian dudes who use the word.

I dont think it is a problem, unless you make it a problem.

I mean some black people(like Oprah) are offended by another black person calling them "Nigga". So of course some black people will be offended when a "white" person calls them "nigga"

Now the word "Nigger", now this means something different which will most definitely lead to a beatdown whatever race you are!

@ The word k****** - Never again!
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: cash on December 12, 2008, 04:21:07 PM
 ;D Hold up a second are you guys seriously censoring posts now?

hahahaha, reminds me of Arthur - Baas, say nee, Ba**! dont call me a k******
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: Thornz on December 12, 2008, 04:49:20 PM
;D Hold up a second are you guys seriously censoring posts now?


k******
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: Thornz on December 12, 2008, 04:55:03 PM
;D Hold up a second are you guys seriously censoring posts now?


k******

would u look at that? they really are censoring posts
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: TATEguru v.2K9 on December 12, 2008, 08:57:29 PM
I merged these topics coz we had discussed this before above.
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: Trinidad-Hux on December 13, 2008, 10:59:32 AM
Honestly, most of us use the word to sound 'cool'. If our favourite rappers werent using it, we'd probably not use it. The really means nothing to us.
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: That Bastard Crook on December 13, 2008, 12:32:35 PM
The term "nigga" is a term for "Friend/Homeboy/Hip-hop head/G/Brother etc.
I call ALL my friends and a**ociates "nigga", whether black/white/coloured/asian!
If you go to Midrand theres mad Indian dudes who use the word.

I dont think it is a problem, unless you make it a problem.

I mean some black people(like Oprah) are offended by another black person calling them "Nigga". So of course some black people will be offended when a "white" person calls them "nigga"

Now the word "Nigger", now this means something different which will most definitely lead to a beatdown whatever race you are!


@ The word k****** - Never again!

This is the biggest load of bullshit alive in Hip-Hop today. How the f*** you gon' differentiate between nigga and nigger? They both pronounced exactly the same and people don't write the word down when they addressin' you wid it. What? You gon' be on some  "...did you just call me nigger?" And he replies "...nah man, I said nigga" "..Oh, aight cool then, just thought for a minute there you called me a nigger instead of a nigga"  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: Volatyl on December 13, 2008, 03:34:25 PM
^^^lmfao hahahahaha :D :D :D true true
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: Mrs Jones on December 14, 2008, 01:41:10 PM
Honestly, most of us use the word to sound 'cool'. If our favourite rappers werent using it, we'd probably not use it. The really means nothing to us.
I remember back in the day my mom used a stretch comb to soften my hair because there weren't any relaxer creams then and my sister would say that I have "k****** hare" because my hair was extremely coarse. She said it in such a way that I thought that was what you would call my type of hair, that there was no other word for it. I almost got the hinding of my life when I said it to my mother, she told me never to use that word again. As I grew up I read up alot about our culture and I still do. The problem "I think" is that we don't understand the meaning of these two words and where they come from. Sure most of us have watched slavery movies like Roots, Malcom X, etc but have we really done our reseach thoroughly? For me, its really hard not to get offended. What are we going to tell the generation to come about these two words? Are we going to let them think that its cool words one uses when calling their friends to show affection or are we going to teach them the history of these words and let them decide? I don't know guys, I seriously fear for the generation to come since we seem to be remixing everything including the true meaning of certain words and simply call it EVOLUTION! 
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: 1kind on December 14, 2008, 03:09:53 PM
sigh....

I propose a notion. In south africa le'ts replace the  world nigga with k****** and see how often people will actually be using that word.
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: cash on December 15, 2008, 08:10:55 AM
The term "nigga" is a term for "Friend/Homeboy/Hip-hop head/G/Brother etc.
I call ALL my friends and a**ociates "nigga", whether black/white/coloured/asian!
If you go to Midrand theres mad Indian dudes who use the word.

I dont think it is a problem, unless you make it a problem.

I mean some black people(like Oprah) are offended by another black person calling them "Nigga". So of course some black people will be offended when a "white" person calls them "nigga"

Now the word "Nigger", now this means something different which will most definitely lead to a beatdown whatever race you are!


@ The word k****** - Never again!

This is the biggest load of bullshit alive in Hip-Hop today. How the f*** you gon' differentiate between nigga and nigger? They both pronounced exactly the same and people don't write the word down when they addressin' you wid it. What? You gon' be on some  "...did you just call me nigger?" And he replies "...nah man, I said nigga" "..Oh, aight cool then, just thought for a minute there you called me a nigger instead of a nigga"  ::) ::) ::)

In the words of Kat Williams....Please dont take "Nigga" away from us. lol
Title: Re: The word "Nigger" & its use in Hip-Hop not a p
Post by: Z-DIGITAL on December 15, 2008, 08:37:44 AM
You just getting it twisted, I dont use it, I was just making an example, yes it is contriversial and bad, Im not disagreeing with that!

Explicit

Yo snow-flake look putna I feel where you comin' from but yo, I been growin up with my White boy Niggaz since way back yo....& them niggaz know that Nigga is off topic. Like them niggaz wont even think twice about that shit...I mean look at Marshall Mathers, that White Boy is dope of the mi but duke aint never ever ever let that shit slip yo. I aint comin at you in any way at all.
The word has lost that stigma it had behind coz most cats nowadays just view it as a term of endearement coz like The Eses and the Cheves use it now and the Portaricans coz them niggaz also went through that shit y'know. I figure its only used by races that went through that rough shit. For instance my Indian niggaz I call em Terrorists straight up and down & and when they holla nigga, it dont even move me. Its kinda like dont be tryina slurrs if you havent been there yourself and got the stripes to be called that your self.
Title: Re: The word "Nigger" & its use in Hip-Hop not a p
Post by: Dpleezy on December 15, 2008, 08:45:29 AM
You just getting it twisted, I dont use it, I was just making an example, yes it is contriversial and bad, Im not disagreeing with that!

Explicit

Yo snow-flake look putna I feel where you comin' from but yo, I been growin up with my White boy Niggaz since way back yo....& them niggaz know that Nigga is off topic. Like them niggaz wont even think twice about that shit...I mean look at Marshall Mathers, that White Boy is dope of the mi but duke aint never ever ever let that shit slip yo. I aint comin at you in any way at all.
The word has lost that stigma it had behind coz most cats nowadays just view it as a term of endearement coz like The Eses and the Cheves use it now and the Portaricans coz them niggaz also went through that shit y'know. I figure its only used by races that went through that rough shit. For instance my Indian niggaz I call em Terrorists straight up and down & and when they holla nigga, it dont even move me. Its kinda like dont be tryina slurrs if you havent been there yourself and got the stripes to be called that your self.

why do you call indians 'terrorists'?
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: J-oNE/Pat-B-Rick on December 15, 2008, 09:02:07 AM
The term "nigga" is a term for "Friend/Homeboy/Hip-hop head/G/Brother etc.
I call ALL my friends and a**ociates "nigga", whether black/white/coloured/asian!
If you go to Midrand theres mad Indian dudes who use the word.

I dont think it is a problem, unless you make it a problem.

I mean some black people(like Oprah) are offended by another black person calling them "Nigga". So of course some black people will be offended when a "white" person calls them "nigga"

Now the word "Nigger", now this means something different which will most definitely lead to a beatdown whatever race you are!


@ The word k****** - Never again!
Quote
This is the biggest load of bullshit alive in Hip-Hop today. How the f*** you gon' differentiate between nigga and nigger? They both pronounced exactly the same and people don't write the word down when they addressin' you wid it. What? You gon' be on some  "...did you just call me nigger?" And he replies "...nah man, I said nigga" "..Oh, aight cool then, just thought for a minute there you called me a nigger instead of a nigga"  ::) ::) ::)
Nah man. That nigger pronounciation has to really roll off ya tounge, like nigerrr. Say it with me, niggerrrr, Like them old slave master with the beard and hat British peeps, NIGGER........ it sounds better than "nig" or "nigga" or "nyucca" or "nyug" or "negga" or the dirty south "nhegguh" or even or own South African "ma'neegah" and "le'neegah".
klklkl ;D ;D ;D
Honestly, most of us use the word to sound 'cool'. If our favourite rappers werent using it, we'd probably not use it. The really means nothing to us.
I remember back in the day my mom used a stretch comb to soften my hair because there weren't any relaxer creams then and my sister would say that I have "k****** hare" because my hair was extremely coarse. She said it in such a way that I thought that was what you would call my type of hair, that there was no other word for it. I almost got the hinding of my life when I said it to my mother, she told me never to use that word again. As I grew up I read up alot about our culture and I still do. The problem "I think" is that we don't understand the meaning of these two words and where they come from. Sure most of us have watched slavery movies like Roots, Malcom X, etc but have we really done our reseach thoroughly? For me, its really hard not to get offended. What are we going to tell the generation to come about these two words? Are we going to let them think that its cool words one uses when calling their friends to show affection or are we going to teach them the history of these words and let them decide? I don't know guys, I seriously fear for the generation to come since we seem to be remixing everything including the true meaning of certain words and simply call it EVOLUTION! 
The 'K' word ;D ;D ;D had to have been the stupidest racial slur ever.
According to MY knowledge and hard research (An old dictionary ;D)
The 'k' word is of Arab origins, it was used by Arabian slave traders to address non believers, which were black obviously......
As far as I know, most Arabs follow the Islam religion

So when Sir Lancelot ;D came through calling niggerrrrrs Kaff*rs he was just being a dumb a** "nigga". :) ::)

Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: Z-DIGITAL on December 15, 2008, 09:05:33 AM
Coz mayn its just like Nigga. It was a term that Americans were hurling around to try to demean them or bring them down as a culture in a condescending way just coz of 9/11 but now just like word Nigga was used by other niggaz to niggaz, I call my Indian niggaz Terrorist coz sooner or later its gonna lose that stigma that in came in with. The first I heard Terrorist call each other Terrrorist was like 2 year after 9/11 and them niggaz was my boyz so like since then man its just been like Nigga Terrorist.....and to me I prefer terrorist over Charo or Koolie yuhmean coz that koolie shit man I don't even dig bra its still too heavy for me kinda like k****** is to Nigga.
I hope it makes sense hommee.
Title: Re: The word "Nigger" & its use in Hip-Hop not a p
Post by: J-oNE/Pat-B-Rick on December 15, 2008, 09:07:32 AM
You just getting it twisted, I dont use it, I was just making an example, yes it is contriversial and bad, Im not disagreeing with that!

Explicit

Yo snow-flake look putna I feel where you comin' from but yo, I been growin up with my White boy Niggaz since way back yo....& them niggaz know that Nigga is off topic. Like them niggaz wont even think twice about that shit...I mean look at Marshall Mathers, that White Boy is dope of the mi but duke aint never ever ever let that shit slip yo. I aint comin at you in any way at all.
The word has lost that stigma it had behind coz most cats nowadays just view it as a term of endearement coz like The Eses and the Cheves use it now and the Portaricans coz them niggaz also went through that shit y'know. I figure its only used by races that went through that rough shit. For instance my Indian niggaz I call em Terrorists straight up and down & and when they holla nigga, it dont even move me. Its kinda like dont be tryina slurrs if you havent been there yourself and got the stripes to be called that your self.

why do you call indians 'terrorists'?
I was wondering the same thing. But it's kinda funny though :-X ;D
Title: Re: The word "Nigger" & its use in Hip-Hop not a p
Post by: Z-DIGITAL on December 15, 2008, 09:17:05 AM
You just getting it twisted, I dont use it, I was just making an example, yes it is contriversial and bad, Im not disagreeing with that!

Explicit

Yo snow-flake look putna I feel where you comin' from but yo, I been growin up with my White boy Niggaz since way back yo....& them niggaz know that Nigga is off topic. Like them niggaz wont even think twice about that shit...I mean look at Marshall Mathers, that White Boy is dope of the mi but duke aint never ever ever let that shit slip yo. I aint comin at you in any way at all.
The word has lost that stigma it had behind coz most cats nowadays just view it as a term of endearement coz like The Eses and the Cheves use it now and the Portaricans coz them niggaz also went through that shit y'know. I figure its only used by races that went through that rough shit. For instance my Indian niggaz I call em Terrorists straight up and down & and when they holla nigga, it dont even move me. Its kinda like dont be tryina slurrs if you havent been there yourself and got the stripes to be called that your self.

why do you call indians 'terrorists'?
I was wondering the same thing. But it's kinda funny though :-X ;D

Mayng you done seen that one episode on Boondocks where Manny is talkin' bout how the war was & shit & how he wanned to bang one of them bitches who have carpets over the eyes and you cant see shit till you try to hit and bitch pulls the shit up off her face & its a man...............'member that. That plus them other Terro freinds of mine.
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: Mrs Jones on December 15, 2008, 09:42:36 AM
Coz mayn its just like Nigga. It was a term that Americans were hurling around to try to demean them or bring them down as a culture in a condescending way just coz of 9/11 but now just like word Nigga was used by other niggaz to niggaz, I call my Indian niggaz Terrorist coz sooner or later its gonna lose that stigma that in came in with. The first I heard Terrorist call each other Terrrorist was like 2 year after 9/11 and them niggaz was my boyz so like since then man its just been like Nigga Terrorist.....and to me I prefer terrorist over Charo or Koolie yuhmean coz that koolie shit man I don't even dig bra its still too heavy for me kinda like k****** is to Nigga.
I hope it makes sense hommee.
WTF?? Dude are you American? 'cause your ignorance reeks american. How the hell does one confuse Afghanistan with f@%* India? Gggrrrr..........., get right!!
Title: Re: The word "Nigger" & its use in Hip-Hop not a p
Post by: J-oNE/Pat-B-Rick on December 15, 2008, 09:53:15 AM
You just getting it twisted, I dont use it, I was just making an example, yes it is contriversial and bad, Im not disagreeing with that!

Explicit

Yo snow-flake look putna I feel where you comin' from but yo, I been growin up with my White boy Niggaz since way back yo....& them niggaz know that Nigga is off topic. Like them niggaz wont even think twice about that shit...I mean look at Marshall Mathers, that White Boy is dope of the mi but duke aint never ever ever let that shit slip yo. I aint comin at you in any way at all.
The word has lost that stigma it had behind coz most cats nowadays just view it as a term of endearement coz like The Eses and the Cheves use it now and the Portaricans coz them niggaz also went through that shit y'know. I figure its only used by races that went through that rough shit. For instance my Indian niggaz I call em Terrorists straight up and down & and when they holla nigga, it dont even move me. Its kinda like dont be tryina slurrs if you havent been there yourself and got the stripes to be called that your self.

why do you call indians 'terrorists'?
I was wondering the same thing. But it's kinda funny though :-X ;D

Mayng you done seen that one episode on Boondocks where Manny is talkin' bout how the war was & shit & how he wanned to bang one of them bitches who have carpets over the eyes and you cant see shit till you try to hit and bitch pulls the shit up off her face & its a man...............'member that. That plus them other Terro freinds of mine.
Lmao! Ye I remember that shit :D
Coz mayn its just like Nigga. It was a term that Americans were hurling around to try to demean them or bring them down as a culture in a condescending way just coz of 9/11 but now just like word Nigga was used by other niggaz to niggaz, I call my Indian niggaz Terrorist coz sooner or later its gonna lose that stigma that in came in with. The first I heard Terrorist call each other Terrrorist was like 2 year after 9/11 and them niggaz was my boyz so like since then man its just been like Nigga Terrorist.....and to me I prefer terrorist over Charo or Koolie yuhmean coz that koolie shit man I don't even dig bra its still too heavy for me kinda like k****** is to Nigga.
I hope it makes sense hommee.
WTF?? Dude are you American? 'cause your ignorance reeks american. How the hell does one confuse Afghanistan with f@%* India? Gggrrrr..........., get right!!
Read it again........... his Indian friends used to call each other terrorists then he also started
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: cash on December 15, 2008, 10:54:18 AM
The term "nigga" is a term for "Friend/Homeboy/Hip-hop head/G/Brother etc.
I call ALL my friends and a**ociates "nigga", whether black/white/coloured/asian!
If you go to Midrand theres mad Indian dudes who use the word.

I dont think it is a problem, unless you make it a problem.

I mean some black people(like Oprah) are offended by another black person calling them "Nigga". So of course some black people will be offended when a "white" person calls them "nigga"

Now the word "Nigger", now this means something different which will most definitely lead to a beatdown whatever race you are!


@ The word k****** - Never again!

This is the biggest load of bullshit alive in Hip-Hop today. How the f*** you gon' differentiate between nigga and nigger? They both pronounced exactly the same and people don't write the word down when they addressin' you wid it. What? You gon' be on some  "...did you just call me nigger?" And he replies "...nah man, I said nigga" "..Oh, aight cool then, just thought for a minute there you called me a nigger instead of a nigga"  ::) ::) ::)

Nigga Please. Stop fronting, you know exactly what I mean.
Its not what you say, its HOW you say it.
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: That Bastard Crook on December 15, 2008, 10:59:21 AM
^^^^^^My bad nigger.
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: The Mighty Loks on December 15, 2008, 11:12:01 AM
^^^^^^My bad nigger.

Actually in this case, it would be nigga  ;)






Whatever difference that makes.
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: cash on December 15, 2008, 11:25:22 AM
^^^^^^My bad nigger.

dont sweat it nigga! I got you
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: cash on December 15, 2008, 11:33:24 AM
^^^^^^My bad nigger.

Actually in this case, it would be nigga  ;)






Whatever difference that makes.

Thanks Boo.
lol. yes, it does make a difference
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: That Bastard Crook on December 15, 2008, 11:47:52 AM
^^^^^^My bad nigger.

Actually in this case, it would be nigga  ;)






Whatever difference that makes.

Thanks Boo.
lol. yes, it does make a difference


Never heard 'a' sarcasm have y'all? ::) ::) ::) ::)
Cool though, I got y'all niggers.
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: The Mighty Loks on December 15, 2008, 11:51:34 AM
^^^^^^My bad nigger.

Actually in this case, it would be nigga  ;)






Whatever difference that makes.

Thanks Boo.
lol. yes, it does make a difference


Never heard 'a' sarcasm have y'all? ::) ::) ::) ::)
Cool though, I got y'all niggers.

It seems like neither have you....
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: Mrs Jones on December 15, 2008, 12:49:51 PM
You just getting it twisted, I dont use it, I was just making an example, yes it is contriversial and bad, Im not disagreeing with that!

Explicit

Yo snow-flake look putna I feel where you comin' from but yo, I been growin up with my White boy Niggaz since way back yo....& them niggaz know that Nigga is off topic. Like them niggaz wont even think twice about that shit...I mean look at Marshall Mathers, that White Boy is dope of the mi but duke aint never ever ever let that shit slip yo. I aint comin at you in any way at all.
The word has lost that stigma it had behind coz most cats nowadays just view it as a term of endearement coz like The Eses and the Cheves use it now and the Portaricans coz them niggaz also went through that shit y'know. I figure its only used by races that went through that rough shit. For instance my Indian niggaz I call em Terrorists straight up and down & and when they holla nigga, it dont even move me. Its kinda like dont be tryina slurrs if you havent been there yourself and got the stripes to be called that your self.

why do you call indians 'terrorists'?
I was wondering the same thing. But it's kinda funny though :-X ;D

Mayng you done seen that one episode on Boondocks where Manny is talkin' bout how the war was & shit & how he wanned to bang one of them bitches who have carpets over the eyes and you cant see shit till you try to hit and bitch pulls the shit up off her face & its a man...............'member that. That plus them other Terro freinds of mine.
Lmao! Ye I remember that shit :D
Coz mayn its just like Nigga. It was a term that Americans were hurling around to try to demean them or bring them down as a culture in a condescending way just coz of 9/11 but now just like word Nigga was used by other niggaz to niggaz, I call my Indian niggaz Terrorist coz sooner or later its gonna lose that stigma that in came in with. The first I heard Terrorist call each other Terrrorist was like 2 year after 9/11 and them niggaz was my boyz so like since then man its just been like Nigga Terrorist.....and to me I prefer terrorist over Charo or Koolie yuhmean coz that koolie shit man I don't even dig bra its still too heavy for me kinda like k****** is to Nigga.
I hope it makes sense hommee.
WTF?? Dude are you American? 'cause your ignorance reeks american. How the hell does one confuse Afghanistan with f@%* India? Gggrrrr..........., get right!!
Read it again........... his Indian friends used to call each other terrorists then he also started
oh and that's supposed to make it less retarded?!? Oh well its cool with them, why should I care right?
Title: Re: The word "Nigger" & its use in Hip-Hop not a p
Post by: Msanii_XL on December 15, 2008, 05:54:44 PM
You just getting it twisted, I dont use it, I was just making an example, yes it is contriversial and bad, Im not disagreeing with that!

Explicit

Yo snow-flake look putna I feel where you comin' from but yo, I been growin up with my White boy Niggaz since way back yo....& them niggaz know that Nigga is off topic. Like them niggaz wont even think twice about that shit...I mean look at Marshall Mathers, that White Boy is dope of the mi but duke aint never ever ever let that shit slip yo. I aint comin at you in any way at all.
The word has lost that stigma it had behind coz most cats nowadays just view it as a term of endearement coz like The Eses and the Cheves use it now and the Portaricans coz them niggaz also went through that shit y'know. I figure its only used by races that went through that rough shit. For instance my Indian niggaz I call em Terrorists straight up and down & and when they holla nigga, it dont even move me. Its kinda like dont be tryina slurrs if you havent been there yourself and got the stripes to be called that your self.

Went through what?
Title: Re: The word "Nigger" & its use in Hip-Hop not a p
Post by: Thornz on December 16, 2008, 03:50:43 PM
You just getting it twisted, I dont use it, I was just making an example, yes it is contriversial and bad, Im not disagreeing with that!

Explicit

Yo snow-flake look putna I feel where you comin' from but yo, I been growin up with my White boy Niggaz since way back yo....& them niggaz know that Nigga is off topic. Like them niggaz wont even think twice about that shit...I mean look at Marshall Mathers, that White Boy is dope of the mi but duke aint never ever ever let that shit slip yo. I aint comin at you in any way at all.
The word has lost that stigma it had behind coz most cats nowadays just view it as a term of endearement coz like The Eses and the Cheves use it now and the Portaricans coz them niggaz also went through that shit y'know. I figure its only used by races that went through that rough shit. For instance my Indian niggaz I call em Terrorists straight up and down & and when they holla nigga, it dont even move me. Its kinda like dont be tryina slurrs if you havent been there yourself and got the stripes to be called that your self.

Went through what?

DAT SHIT, nigga is you deaf?
Title: Re: The "N" Word
Post by: The Angry Hand of God on December 16, 2008, 03:54:27 PM
Yeah, and we all  know that shit wasn't cool.