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Hip Hop Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: rob_one on June 12, 2008, 01:32:51 PM
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All this talk of jerking off dogs and sniffing panties, while no doubt edifying, is actually a little pointless.
So anyway...
What makes a good live hip-hop show? What makes a bad one? Examples?
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personally i well thought out show where the tracks they do flow into each other - not just randomly doing songs, engaging with the audience busta rhymes show was dope him and spliff perform well together, jay-z's show as well as well as snoop doggs shows here were dope... i was also impressed by pharrells set. he had 2 live drum sets complimenting each other very well.
lauryn hills show here was very bad... she did tracks off that mtv live disc most of us were ready for some of that doo wop shit the old lauryn... so i guess knowing what the audience is expecting and exceeding that, giving them what they know, want and more.. thats me
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personally i well thought out show where the tracks they do flow into each other - not just randomly doing songs, engaging with the audience busta rhymes show was dope him and spliff perform well together, jay-z's show as well as well as snoop doggs shows here were dope... i was also impressed by pharrells set. he had 2 live drum sets complimenting each other very well.
lauryn hills show here was very bad... she did tracks off that mtv live disc most of us were ready for some of that doo wop shit the old lauryn... so i guess knowing what the audience is expecting and exceeding that, giving them what they know, want and more.. thats me
Cosign. Busta and Jay were crazy. Lauryn Hill was absolutely sodding awful; textbook case of not knowing or caring what your audience wants. We didn't pay R400 to come stand for hours in a cold building to watch you sit down and play acoustic guitar. We came for that Doo Wop, that Everything is Everything.
Tumi and the Volume and Zubz have always had great live shows. The live musician element really works well. Even HHP's getting into it - you haven't lived until you've heard the 20 minute jazz version of Tswaka.
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Selection of tracks for your set, like black-child said there are tracks that dont flow into each, for instance cats shud avoid doing bumpy tracks, getting the crowd all hyped up then doing a slow boring loving song. Rather make the relaxed tracks first then pick up.... Interact with the crowd, Prokid does that best....
An example of a bad live act wud be a cat that rocks up all by himself with no dj and ask who ever is the dj box to skip to number 3 and when the song starts he be on sum nah nah nah number 4... Shit makes me lose interest...
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Bad sound. There's nothing I hate more than going to a hip hop show and you can't hear a word. Even though I know the track I still wanna hear you spit.
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Bad sound. There's nothing I hate more than going to a hip hop show and you can't hear a word. Even though I know the track I still wanna hear you spit.
Cosign
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yeah bad sound is the worst, but whats with south african hip hop artists and this kwaito thing at their live shows its like they feel the need of gooing in some kwaito flava to get the crowd going >:( i hate that
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Cosign. Busta and Jay were crazy. Lauryn Hill was absolutely sodding awful; textbook case of not knowing or caring what your audience wants. We didn't pay R400 to come stand for hours in a cold building to watch you sit down and play acoustic guitar. We came for that Doo Wop, that Everything is Everything.
Tumi and the Volume and Zubz have always had great live shows. The live musician element really works well. Even HHP's getting into it - you haven't lived until you've heard the 20 minute jazz version of Tswaka.
Cosign!
I hate it when these guys make us rhyme or sing to half their tracks tho. Yes, we know the track, but we aint there to see them shove a mic towards us for more than a minute and all they do is grin as they bump their head >:(
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yeah bad sound is the worst, but whats with south african hip hop artists and this kwaito thing at their live shows its like they feel the need of gooing in some kwaito flava to get the crowd going >:( i hate that
Yeah! that whole "ARE YOU THERE" vibe is NOT ON >:( >:(
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Or when they spend 90% of the time talking shit. Saw Immortal Technique last week and although his track selection was great and his freestyles were CRAZY, he must have spent just as much time spouting incoherent political rhetoric as he did rapping. Not what I came to see.
Supremacy from Grahamstown have a great live show. Nice and tight, good crowd interaction. They have fun on stage too, take the piss out of each other.
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:D :D i feel ya, i dig slikour but he did that whole sing along thing................SUCKS!!!!
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At Back To the City not sure who was like...
When I say South African you say hip hop is not dead it's just a .....
I was like niggar is you crazy? Needless to say I went home...
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Ha. Baldi, four words: "Can I kick it?"
Most overused live gimmick ever.
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most over used and most irritating >:( its a show killa it should stp!!
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or cats running up and down the stage with one hand on their groin area, wtf. bad sound and all that " are u there, yo yo" shit ....niggas should listen to Yo yo Theory, sup TNG?
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Cosign on the bad sound.
From a performers side, the worst thing for a vocalist is having smoke machines all up in your face and choking your voice.
sets that dont flow, or artists that dont know their own words
artists that mime!!! i didn cum 2 hear ur cd, i wanna hear you!
good show = good sound, good artists, good vibe, good atmosphere, good love, good booze..... u get my point ;)
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than you cant hear jerk!! all you get is the sound of their breath on the mic coz a all the heavy breathin and stuff >:(
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BAD
1. When theres about 10 dudes on stage (why for?)
2. when the performer is too drunk or high (ie: Counting crow dude who fell over 3 times)
3. when dudes tell women to come on stage for some sexual seduction (except for the time janet jackson did it).
4. When artists play the same set/music (Eish Khenzero sometimes, and 340ml's)
GOOD examples
1. J-Live
2. Bahamadia
3. and i recently saw a Jay-Z show on MTv for american gangsta- it was really good!
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:D :D i feel ya, i dig slikour but he did that whole sing along thing................SUCKS!!!!
Speaking on an artists point of view, isnt that part of the crowd interaction coz wen i perform i like having the crowd help me with the hook....
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BAD
1. When theres about 10 dudes on stage (why for?)
Ahem*Crackboys*Ahem
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:D :D i feel ya, i dig slikour but he did that whole sing along thing................SUCKS!!!!
Speaking on an artists point of view, isnt that part of the crowd interaction coz wen i perform i like having the crowd help me with the hook....
WHY? I paid R50 to see YOU perform , if I wanted to see if I could sing I would've stayed home.
I think you should let the crowd do it voluntarily that way you can se whether or not you're dong it.
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BAD
1. When theres about 10 dudes on stage (why for?)
Ahem*Crackboys*Ahem
LMAO!
BAD
4. has got to be the time that L.E.S from Jozi was rapping a song called Tippy Toes (WTF?) at the ESPN basketball day...he then calls up 6 of his boys to do this tippy toe dance... as soon as they went on the entire stage collapses!
SMH
5. when the CD scratches to the track you wanna perform (ie: Jozi's biggest song at the basketball day)...
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Bad Shows
-When all the rappers try and rhyme at the same time.
-When the rappers forget their words... (da Brat @ the P Stuyvesant gig)..
-Ditto on the too drunk (wu tang .. countless times)
-when you're in the crowd and it starts raining...
-when the crowd control doesnt happen and a stampede occurs.. (UCT days Boom Shaka)
- too much crowd particepation (throw your hands in da air!!)
Good Shows
- audible
- Stage presence is felt
- Rappers do more that just mill about on stage (The Arsonists kill at this!!)
- mic juggles between crew (dope when dope right)
- the performer isnt sick... or starts show with... sorry Ive got the flu...
Worst show ever-
Launch of Groundworks CD in Rosebank... I and a friend were two of only 3 people that attended. Eventually Krookd grabs mic frm Snazz.. tells him he cant rhyme anymore.. Snazz's girl at the time happened to be the DJ too.. eish! Krook grbs the mic says 'f*** it Im gonna go home and get some pussy'... his embara**ed girlfriend blushes and ducks outta the room...
Best show...
Donnie. The gayest person Ive ever met in my life.. but conversely had the best vocals I ever heard on stage.
Show I would kill to be at: Amel Larrieux
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@m.z.u crowd interactiion happens automatically, i mean people came to see YOU do your thing and not have you makin me do what i do for free when im takin a shower!!!
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4. has got to be the time that L.E.S from Jozi was rapping a song called Tippy Toes (WTF?) at the ESPN basketball day...he then calls up 6 of his boys to do this tippy toe dance... as soon as they went on the entire stage collapses!
SMH
Why does he have a song called tippy toes in the first place?
What the f*** is that about?
I've gotta sat Tumi and the volume put on a nice live set. Also MAx Normal TV from the videos my friends have of two weeks ago in Bloem, seems rather nice.
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BAD
1. When theres about 10 dudes on stage (why for?)
Ahem*Crackboys*Ahem
LMAO!
BAD
4. has got to be the time that L.E.S from Jozi was rapping a song called Tippy Toes (WTF?) at the ESPN basketball day...he then calls up 6 of his boys to do this tippy toe dance... as soon as they went on the entire stage collapses!
SMH
5. when the CD scratches to the track you wanna perform (ie: Jozi's biggest song at the basketball day)...
yeah that was quite bad. im not sure why they decided to do the performances on the stage... they could've done it on the court.
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4. has got to be the time that L.E.S from Jozi was rapping a song called Tippy Toes (WTF?) at the ESPN basketball day...he then calls up 6 of his boys to do this tippy toe dance... as soon as they went on the entire stage collapses!
SMH
Why does he have a song called tippy toes in the first place?
What the f*** is that about?
Also MAx Normal TV from the videos my friends have of two weeks ago in Bloem, seems rather nice.
i've actually been asking myself the same Q for weeks- u should see the accompanying dance!
Co-sign Max Normal,
i saw them perform at oppikoppi back when it was at fountains.
on the mic with waddy was - who i thought at the time - was a young boy with a cute voice (it turned out to be his woman i think)
also think Sweat X, Kwani experience put on a good show and
Brother Ali (only cause when the sound didnt work,
he worked with what he had which was good lighting and a revved up crowd, got a dope Beatboxer on stage and blew the crowd away)!
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cosig on Kwani Experience...
Drie is crazy on stage...but most of the time they are let down by bad sound i.e Battle of Gugs mixtape launch at Mzoli's.
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kwani experience is blazzin on stage, i think if they did a collab with tumi it would be doper than dope
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Man, seen some cats with amazing live shows...Swollen Members, Kwe, Jean Grae, Pharoahe and his whole band were incredible. Common - best live show I have ever seen, full stop. Meth and Red, f***ing bananas. De La Soul, Blak Twang.
Thing is, cats like Tumi, Zubz etc are just as good. And yeah, the things we've mentioned like crowd interaction, mic placement, TIGHTNESS, stage presence...they all work to make a show brilliant.
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mos def ;)
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??? havent seen pharoe though
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- Good sound (without that, the rest is irrelevant)
- Tight, well-rehearsed sets
- The right amount of crowd interaction
- Interaction between DJ and MC
- Acapellas
- Tight freestyles
- Dance elements (depending on act)
- Live music elements (doesn't have to be instruments, could just be playing with the backing beats in Abelton)
- Visuals (not just some small little projector either)
Bad_
- Bad sound
- Shouting into mic
- Apologising for anything
- Bad freestyles (if you can't do it, don't try it - it sounds mad kak)
- Too much talking in between tracks
- Not taking backpack off
- Looking nervous
- Being drunk and thinking no one will notice
Good performers I've seen recently: Driemanskap, Rattex, Ben Sharpa, Max Normal, The Realist, Wordsworth, Sweat X
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LMAO! not takin backpacks off!!!
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Wordsworth killed it for me when he was here on that Tri-continental Hip Hop fest, Dude came from the back of the crowd freestyiling..
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@mphossiblepunkstah and BalDi: I agree crowd interaction happens automatically esp when u are a well established artist and err'body knws your songs... but i will give u an example of what kind im talking, when Proverb performed that 1st, 2nd and 3rd track at the three kings launch he divided the crowd into 3 to say the 1st, 2nd and 3rd and that shit workd like a charm... And from personal experience there are songs that work better if the crowd is participating, so is it wrong to ask the crowd to help out with certain shit?
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not sayin its wrong but it gets tired @ times
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@mphossiblepunkstah and BalDi: I agree crowd interaction happens automatically esp when u are a well established artist and err'body knws your songs... but i will give u an example of what kind im talking, when Proverb performed that 1st, 2nd and 3rd track at the three kings launch he divided the crowd into 3 to say the 1st, 2nd and 3rd and that shit workd like a charm... And from personal experience there are songs that work better if the crowd is participating, so is it wrong to ask the crowd to help out with certain shit?
It's wrong if you use the crowd to hype up a dead performance/show.
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Good_
- Good sound (without that, the rest is irrelevant)
- Tight, well-rehearsed sets
- The right amount of crowd interaction
- Interaction between DJ and MC
- Acapellas
- Tight freestyles
- Dance elements (depending on act)
- Live music elements (doesn't have to be instruments, could just be playing with the backing beats in Abelton)
- Visuals (not just some small little projector either)
Bad_
- Bad sound
- Shouting into mic
- Apologising for anything
- Bad freestyles (if you can't do it, don't try it - it sounds mad kak)
- Too much talking in between tracks
- Not taking backpack off
- Looking nervous
- Being drunk and thinking no one will notice
Good performers I've seen recently: Driemanskap, Rattex, Ben Sharpa, Max Normal, The Realist, Wordsworth, Sweat X
co sign. i hate that shit, when peeps perform drunk
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this is a good thread, lots of info...the thing about track selection is true. The tracks have to blend well, and an intro to the set doesnt hurt. Better to start mellow and build up!