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Hip Hop Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: Killa Merc on July 28, 2008, 10:48:58 AM
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What's up with SA Hip Hop groups Breaking Up all the time? Every week, a group splits up. Anyone noticed this?
Optical Ill (Logic and battle Kat gone)
The LandMynz (Mr C leaving the starting the Federation)
Saudi Westerns (giving Pro Kid the middle finger)
Cashless Society (I understand some old members aint rolling with the crew anymore)
Jozi (with Lu stabbing Ish)
The Monopoly (Young Zulu gone)
Entity
Nymphonik Bastards of the Universe (Lox is in J sec and I hear that he does not want to be part of the group anymore)
Hidden Force (ditching Hoodlum)
Township Frequency (showing Wikid the middle finger and Wikid begging them dudes to take him back)
I hear there’s more to come. I hear that the Glitz is about to kick out Zee Supreme and the Crackboys are about to ditch K9 the Pedigree and Bondizzle the Boss. And I bet groups like Groundworks will not put another record as a crew / a compilation again. + What happened to Life forces?
What’s going on?
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simple... too little profit, too many members... ;)
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more money more issues
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hahahaa!!!!
yeah i was on the chopping block too!
k9 issued a letter of dismissal to me,which was approved by bondizzo, but the legal system was on my side and it backfired on them, now they are under investigation for corruption and racketeering charges. and are currently suspended with full pay!
hahahahaha!
What can i say, its the example from our fathers! SAP,Scorpions, ANC,DA, IFP,SABC. hahhaha
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Cash's ravings aside, it is an interesting point. I think most people underestimate just how tough it is for one person to survive in the SA music industry, let alone a group. There are a lot more issues at stake and people aren't always emotionally mature enough to deal with them. That, or they become a victim of their own hype when they're unable to deliver consistently.
Example: Optical Ill. Failed to keep the movement going after the last LP. Saudi Westerns - too unmanageable, too many members and not enough financial sense. Entity - great group, but after Creative Kingdom went bust they didn't have the backing or knowledge to survive (nice to see the individual members still at work though).
I hate the Monopoly's music, but I have to give it to them: from what I can see (and I stand to be corrected) they at least remain one of the more united crews around, Zee aside. We'll see if they last.
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more money more issues
correction ;)(in terms of SA hiphop) - NO money more issues!
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An important thing you must remember about groups is that they are formed out of common interest.
A group could be formed on the basis that the members like Hip Hop or similar styles of hiphop. So the foundation is not neccarily strong... After a while personalities start to come out and you start to get to know someone. And relationships can break because of that.
But its pretty much the same with life, we all have friends that were no longer cool with for whatever reason. Its just life. We grow apart. Just unfortunate that because of their public nature, groups are put in the spotlight.
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now they are under investigation
by who, the fashion police? ::)
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now they are under investigation
by who, the fashion police? ::)
Damn, Che's on fire today, Denzel ain't got jack on u
(http://mcaaron.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/man_on_fire.jpg)
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Problem with groups is that everybody thinks they know,even when they don't.Cats are not willing to fall back and let someone who knows what they talking about take on the lead role.We all got opinions.We all got ideas that we wanna see materialize.Nobody is willing to sacrifice for the greater course.Everybody's got an opinion.THE RADIO SINGLE,the album COVER,how much to sell the product for,how the VIDEO should be,etc,etc.Normally these are issues that should be owned by the Record Company,with the artists input obviously.But since the label is the primary investor they should make the final call regarding such issues.Most of us are still Indie,so normally, the members of the group are equal Investors/Share Holders in the project.Hence everybody wants to have their little say.Too many ego's, which eventually lead to demise of the clique.
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now they are under investigation
by who, the fashion police? ::)
hahahahahah :D
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Problem with groups is that everybody thinks they know,even when they don't.Cats are not willing to fall back and let someone who knows what they talking about take on the lead role.We all got opinions.We all got ideas that we wanna see materialize.Nobody is willing to sacrifice for the greater course.Everybody's got an opinion.THE RADIO SINGLE,the album COVER,how much to sell the product for,how the VIDEO should be,etc,etc.Normally these are issues that should be owned by the Record Company,with the artists input obviously.But since the label is the primary investor they should make the final call regarding such issues.Most of us are still Indie,so normally, the members of the group are equal Investors/Share Holders in the project.Hence everybody wants to have their little say.Too many ego's, which eventually lead to demise of the clique.
well said..
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Lol@ Che ;D
I see u got a ether manual from Pyro!
Nice!
Keep reading tho,ur still on the introduction level. ;)
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Lol@ Che ;D
I see u got a ether manual from Pyro!
Nice!
Keep reading tho,ur still on the introduction level. ;)
it's all jokes man... no ethering intended... ;)
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Problem with groups is that everybody thinks they know,even when they don't.Cats are not willing to fall back and let someone who knows what they talking about take on the lead role.
I have seen this quite a few times.
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One of the worst break ups
Heard that Nosisi from Kwani Experience recorded their second album with the rest of the group. Just as they were about to launch it, she left the group and went to work in Cape Town . Caught everyone by surprise. Imagine how the group felt. Having to lauch & promote an album without their lead vocalist. And to dscover that she had planned the move to CT for a while.
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What's up with SA Hip Hop groups Breaking Up all the time? Every week, a group splits up. Anyone noticed this?
Optical Ill (Logic and battle Kat gone)
The LandMynz (Mr C leaving the starting the Federation)
Saudi Westerns (giving Pro Kid the middle finger)
Cashless Society (I understand some old members aint rolling with the crew anymore)
Jozi (with Lu stabbing Ish)
The Monopoly (Young Zulu gone)
Entity
Nymphonik Bastards of the Universe (Lox is in J sec and I hear that he does not want to be part of the group anymore)
Hidden Force (ditching Hoodlum)
Township Frequency (showing Wikid the middle finger and Wikid begging them dudes to take him back)
I hear there’s more to come. I hear that the Glitz is about to kick out Zee Supreme and the Crackboys are about to ditch K9 the Pedigree and Bondizzle the Boss. And I bet groups like Groundworks will not put another record as a crew / a compilation again. + What happened to Life forces?
What’s going on?
It's like everyday, I wake up somebody got a problem with me. To make it official, The Glitz are their own entity, they are family, but logistically, it is impossible to make music together because of the distance ( I live in America and they are in Jozi). I rep The Glitz all the way though, those are my boys till the death and I wish them much success...I do have my co, Born Rich Ent, that I am setting up. Trust me b, I don't get kicked out, Im a a**et homie not another artist, I bring more to the table than just rap....So next time you pop off fly without the supporting facts, think about it....
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One of the worst break ups
Heard that Nosisi from Kwani Experience recorded their second album with the rest of the group. Just as they were about to launch it, she left the group and went to work in Cape Town . Caught everyone by surprise. Imagine how the group felt. Having to lauch & promote an album without their lead vocalist. And to dscover that she had planned the move to CT for a while.
Ey, jo! She left when the project was done, album sleeves done. Then walked when they had just released it. Then they had to teach the new girl all of them songs and, that gave a whole new sound to Kwani. Good thang she can sing tho. SMH @ how Nosisi left.....SMH.....
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Bout Entity
The truth is entity is well educated about the business and what not! that video you saw for touch and go was arranged by them and not creative! Also i think they spit up cause a member went to study in cape town.
The problems i found with being part of a crew is that creative differances tear you apart, Some times you want a chorus done in a certain way but they dont like it, then its the financial issue who should get paid more cause they produced and who gets less!ahhhh it was honestly a head ache. Also this thing of having a backing artist is also a waste of time! I replaced my backing artist with a DJ and the set is crazy nice with more appeal to the crowd! the beat juggling thing is crazy to lace over.
@Cash is K9 really leaving? oh and what ever happend to Young zulu? That dude was ment to have a come back but im still waiting.
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lol. K9 is not leaving man! i was jus playin :-*
Crackboys are like FAMILY! we aint just a group put together! i dont see us splitting up anytime ever!
Were brothers first.
Creatively we work in a structured way! We get shit DONE! period!
I cant recall ANY arguments so far on ANYTHING!?
We normally jus laughin in studio n gettin high on that green and WHITE!
n before we know it we got a million TRACKS done!!!!
as for Young Smuncu....dat niggas has yet to explain to ME, why exactly he left, but his boy told me the dude wanted to do his OWN THING. i respect that. dude is so talented! he's like the greatest rapper alive man! he's the definition of real! he was too big for the Monopoly! so he had to spread his wings n hobble on.
I wish him all the best for his September Release " Zooloo Voodoo"
Im sure he wont disappoint all of us!
I think he posted a single a while ago and we all went crazy with anticipation of the full length album!
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Mycbeth?
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can sumone pls clarify - is it true that Mycbeth was kicked out of Anvils cos of his ability to attract FRUITY FANS?
I think things went sour after a few incidences where dudes wud jump on stage and hug and kiss dude.
Any truth to this? I heard Pyro is a huge fan of Mycbeth
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The biggest problem with crews is that dudes gas each other up. If you know for a fact that your manz and 'em are wack on the mic... you're prolly not gonna tell 'em. You're gonna say 'thats hot' knowing good and well they suck. I used to watch some Yeoville dudes record shit when we used to have a studio set up in Killarney... some guys would come through..spit their rhymes... and then their boyz would delete it as soon as they were gone.
I think its hard to criticize each other when you're in a crew. Most crews in SA break up cos they're not really making endz meet financially..... the shit is just a hobby at the end of the day. If no-one is booking you for shows... (which 90% of crews experince) then whats the point? Some crews just want a bit of fame so they can milk it for all its worth... but in the end as you grow older you want autonomy... U dont want some ninja telling you where to be and at what time. Especially if you have a wife and/or kids. I heard a story once about how POC were living in London back in the day and that B-boy dude Mark stabbed Ish over some dumb shit... cos he was more popular or sumn.. The girls werent feeling Mark as much as everyone else and eventually he just snapped.. I heard a rumour that Snazz stabbed Gemini...
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yeah man,bein in a group is hard! i see it in their eyes sumtimes.....bondizzo lookin at me like he wanna STAB me, koli lookin like he wana CAP me:)
its hard being the flyest nigga in the game!
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As far as i know, Mycbeth was not kicked out. He left to persue other ventures. There are no ill feelings harbored against anyone.
Their plenty of cracks in whatever Cash is talking about. Need to fire whoever provides your intel ;)
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crews are like weddins if u not ready for commitments shit aint goin to work period
da tik and tin line we missin thus endin up cheatin on our spouse's shit's sad like what Nosisi did to Kwami :-[ :-[ :-[
neways life goes on and we pick ourselvs up afta dat
vicious circle it is
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As far as i know, Mycbeth was not kicked out. He left to persue other ventures. There are no ill feelings harbored against anyone.
Their plenty of cracks in whatever Cash is talking about. Need to fire whoever provides your intel ;)
was jus kiddin man! those were jus rumours that were circulating around before we all found out dude left for school and other nobler reasons! lol. dont worry my intel is on point :D
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I heard a story once about how POC were living in London back in the day and that B-boy dude Mark stabbed Ish over some dumb shit...
Didn't Crazy Lu also stab Ish ? Damnnn yo.Dude's like an industry dart board. LOL !!! Now i know who to stick toothpicks into when i need to relieve some stress.