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Other => Politics => Topic started by: Hip Hop Fan on September 20, 2008, 07:50:44 PM
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is this for real, whats popping down south ???
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Nah, Mbeki hasn't said he'll resign, he has been asked to.
The statement from the President's office was "Following the decision of the National Executive Committee of the African National Congress to recall President Thabo Mbeki, the President has obliged and will step down after all constitutional requirements have been met."
this means it could go either way really, he could either chose to let it go or refuse to resign by pursuing his option...at least that's the way i understand it
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Mbeki's been asked to step down by the ANC NEC.
I just had a brilliant idea for an article on Hayibo. How wonder how one submits shit to them or who they are even.
I'm thinking of Mbeki calling the NEC racists for firing him. Obviously i'll use my amazing writing skills to spice it up though.
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Nah, Mbeki hasn't said he'll resign, he has been asked to.
The statement from the President's office was "Following the decision of the National Executive Committee of the African National Congress to recall President Thabo Mbeki, the President has obliged and will step down after all constitutional requirements have been met."
this means it could go either way really, he could either chose to let it go or refuse to resign by pursuing his option...at least that's the way i understand it
Thanks...
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Nah, Mbeki hasn't said he'll resign, he has been asked to.
The statement from the President's office was "Following the decision of the National Executive Committee of the African National Congress to recall President Thabo Mbeki, the President has obliged and will step down after all constitutional requirements have been met."
this means it could go either way really, he could either chose to let it go or refuse to resign by pursuing his option...at least that's the way i understand it
If he refuses to resign, they will institute a vote of no confidence and since the anti Mbeki squad outnumbers his loyalists he'll get booted. Then his entire cabinet will also have to go and we'll have to hold elections within 90 days.
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^^^hope it doesnt come to that!
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Jesus.
f***ing.
Christ.
Why.
Arg.
f***.
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drama in the LBC!!! :o
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I love it. I love the precedent set here. Now we can fire motherf***ers! the next stage from floor-crossing!!! I love this ANC shit. frequent firings are exactly what we need. this democracy is growing...
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I love it. I love the precedent set here. Now we can fire motherf***ers! the next stage from floor-crossing!!! I love this ANC shit. frequent firings are exactly what we need. this democracy is growing...
I just hope that under Zuma there will be more of a culture of accountability for your f*** ups.
I agree that this shows them that no one is untouchable, but like someone said, Zuma is being controlled too, bu others who may have f***ed up motives. Will he have the backbone to actualy make the social reforms they are preaching now, or is he gonna let them run rampant?
Mbete will apparently be standing in as pres until the elections.
If Lekota and other Mbeki loyalists really do start their own party, it will be amazing to see the situation next year with the elections. I cant wait.
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drama in the LBC!!! :o
More like drama in the RSA!
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Mbeki's biggest mistake was to fire JZ before he was proven guilty and SA's law says innocent till proven guitly no matter how much evidence is pointing at you,so now Mbeki has to face up with his decision.
But him being forced to regsine is a no no no for me,why not let the man finish his term? ???
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I've always maintained that the only viable opposition in this country will emanate from the ANC... if TAC doesn't beat them to it (but that's a whole nother story).
This is a dramatic change I never expected this. Three years ago I would have bet you my house that Joel Netshitenzhe (sp) would be next in line... if not Motlanthe.
My worry with Zuma is that he owes too many people favours. And the ANCYL has never minced its words that it would not hesitate to get rid of him too if he crosses them. ANCYL made Mbeki and broke him... nothing should be different with JZ. So I guess the best approach for us as a nation would be to build an ANCYL that is beyond reproach, that is clear on the nation's norms and values... if not at the forefront of shaping them. But what we have now is manga-manga monkey business. Floyd Shivambu is its national speaker...come on!!!
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Then the ANCYL are playing a fair game for everyone as we need a leader who thinks for the goodness of the country not for his/her acquantancies.
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Then the ANCYL are playing a fair game for everyone as we need a leader who thinks for the goodness of the country not for his/her acquantancies.
Do you think before you post?
The youth league is intent on doing exactly what they accuse Mbeki of: Hijacking state organs for personal use.
Why do you think they are so intent on getting Zuma into power? Malema is cozying up good to the big man, while Fikile is practically attached to his hip.
They have planned this for a while, and saying that the youth league is playing fair is ignorance bordering on the retarded. Do you think they are so intent on getting into power for the sake of the people?
Zuma belongs to three groups now.
The youth idiots, Blade and the SACP, and Vavi and COsatu.
I'm not that concerned about the last 2, because I believe they are committed to improving conditions for the workers, despite their bouts of infrequent verbal diarrhoea. I am worried about the Youth league's interests and their radicalism and how this will come into play if the others don't wanna bow to their will.
Does it mean we will be living with the threat of "the youth mobilising" every time something irks them?
As for the call from Vavi and Blade that there must be a super cabinet with a few people exercising power over all organs of state, is this not what they accused Mbeki of? Concentrating power in his own and a small elite's hands?
I guess we're gonna see if this happens and if it does, it will really be a case of an elite few being even more equal than any of us.
I'm very eager to see what goes down in the following 6 months. Maybe I'll win my civil war bet much sooner than I expected.
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So now he has resigned, now what?????
I just like the fact that in hes speach yesterday, he once again made it clear that he didnt have anything to do with Zumas case
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So now he has resigned, now what?????
I just like the fact that in hes speach yesterday, he once again made it clear that he didnt have anything to do with Zumas case
mbeki intrigues me... no emotion whatsoever in the state of nation address. i think he was a better leader than jacob zuma will ever be.
technically he hasnt reisigned yet. the anc will tell him when to hand in the resignation.
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technically he hasnt reisigned yet. the anc will tell him when to hand in the resignation.
he has resigned but he said its up to the national a**embly to decide when hes last day would be..... Which means he can actually still serve hes term, if they allow that to happen...
Who needs the Illumanati, when u got the ANC
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So now he has resigned, now what?????
I just like the fact that in hes speach yesterday, he once again made it clear that he didnt have anything to do with Zumas case
mbeki intrigues me... no emotion whatsoever in the state of nation address. i think he was a better leader than jacob zuma will ever be.
technically he hasnt reisigned yet. the anc will tell him when to hand in the resignation.
I saw some emotion last nyt. He started off upbeat...and he eventually had to hold it all in incase he choked. He tore at my heart strings....hai
Guess we will find out today about the repercusions following the presidents' resignation. I don't think any of the cabinet ministers are gona bow out. I seriously hope that Trevor Manuel stays.
I also don't think that there will be a nucler party formed from Mbeki and his allies. He dedicated half a century to the ANC....he won't walk out on them....it would be interestign if he did.....but that's just wishful thinking
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So now he has resigned, now what?????
I just like the fact that in hes speach yesterday, he once again made it clear that he didnt have anything to do with Zumas case
mbeki intrigues me... no emotion whatsoever in the state of nation address.
dude it was written all over his face that its not something he'd have prefered to do. it was obvious through his speach that he was definitely not happy about it.
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mbeki intrigues me... i think he was a better leader than jacob zuma will ever be.
I think so too, I have no confidence in Zuma whatsoever but as they say , he will not be running the country by himself so i am now interested to see what cabinet is gonna look like, God forbid they put a**wipe Malema and Fikile Mbalula in there.
On a positive note, with mbeki gone, there will not be talk of a Mbeki camp and a Zuma camp within the ANC. So they now need to get on with it and actually deliver services to the poor and taxpayers. Zuma potrays himself as champion of the poor, lets see if he can actually deliver :-\
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I liked that part during his speech when he pulled out the pistol and was pointing it to his head and lucky enuff the bodyguards took it from him before he could pull the trigger...
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I liked that part during his speech when he pulled out the pistol and was pointing it to his head and lucky enuff the bodyguards took it from him before he could pull the trigger...
LOL
My brother and i was actually aying that Zuma and hes gang was actually standing next to Mbeki with a gun to hes head.
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Ey Mbeki should not care for the ANC they just a bunch of hypocrites. I think he should hand the resignation and be out immidiately. Pikoli is whack and im sure you knw what i mean by that.
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@ Nathan and Latte- "sober" LOL comments there guys.
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Then the ANCYL are playing a fair game for everyone as we need a leader who thinks for the goodness of the country not for his/her acquantancies.
Do you think before you post?
Actually she has the most well thought out and rational comment on the issue. She is saying that if the YL propped up Mbeki and he didn't deliver on the social economics policies and was thus removed, it stands to reason that they would do the same if Zuma diverts.
Of course, now that Zuma is in, some favours need to be repaid. But that is not the core of the outing of Mbeki, he was kicked out for his "dictatorship" style with Zuma being the poster boy of the alliance of the wounded. A weekend story even quotes Cyril and Tokyo saying Mbeki must go.
Clearly, Zuma did not win the presidency, Mbeki lost it.
It's pretty much safe to say Zuma will not change policies, and he and his friends will see just how hard it is to run a government, it takes substance, not rhetoric.
What we might have is a George Bush incompetence, not a Robert Mugabe incompetence.
You choose what's better.
No one, not even those close to Zuma believe he is fit to lead, it's just that no one wanted that decision to be made by Mbeki.
Zuma has won the political battle, you can't hate him for that. I say squash the trial and retreat to his homestead at Inklandla, take care of the six wives and let those who can lead, lead.
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Kgalema Motlanthe is the nu President.
http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/topstories.aspx?ID=BD4A848532 (http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/topstories.aspx?ID=BD4A848532)
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Kgalema Motlanthe is the nu President.
http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/topstories.aspx?ID=BD4A848532 (http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/topstories.aspx?ID=BD4A848532)
Nigga, this is speculation...SMH.
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Of course, now that Zuma is in, some favours need to be repaid. But that is not the core of the outing of Mbeki, he was kicked out for his "dictatorship" style with Zuma being the poster boy of the alliance of the wounded. A weekend story even quotes Cyril and Tokyo saying Mbeki must go.
I hardly think that Thabo had a "dictatorship" style and the only dictators here is the ANC YL. They seem to dictate who leads, when and now even for how long. We live in a multi party state yet 1 party had the power to fire a president. To me this was nothing but a political coup.
The ANC has become too comfortable in their position and sadly, we the voters have given them that power. We can say that we're not voting but that doesn't change anything because Zuma supporters will be voting. We need to shake the ground that the ANC is standing on otherwise we'll continue being lead by idiots and we'll just accept it because we much rather not vote then to vote for whites. Something needs to change and if it means being lead by racist white rather than morally corrupt black, then so be it.
If the DA doesn't capitalise on this opportunity the next elections then they too are stupid because people are desperate for an alternative and at this point they are it.
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Then the ANCYL are playing a fair game for everyone as we need a leader who thinks for the goodness of the country not for his/her acquantancies.
Do you think before you post?
Actually she has the most well thought out and rational comment on the issue. She is saying that if the YL propped up Mbeki and he didn't deliver on the social economics policies and was thus removed, it stands to reason that they would do the same if Zuma diverts.
Of course, now that Zuma is in, some favours need to be repaid. But that is not the core of the outing of Mbeki, he was kicked out for his "dictatorship" style with Zuma being the poster boy of the alliance of the wounded. A weekend story even quotes Cyril and Tokyo saying Mbeki must go.
Clearly, Zuma did not win the presidency, Mbeki lost it.
It's pretty much safe to say Zuma will not change policies, and he and his friends will see just how hard it is to run a government, it takes substance, not rhetoric.
What we might have is a George Bush incompetence, not a Robert Mugabe incompetence.
You choose what's better.
No one, not even those close to Zuma believe he is fit to lead, it's just that no one wanted that decision to be made by Mbeki.
Zuma has won the political battle, you can't hate him for that. I say squash the trial and retreat to his homestead at Inklandla, take care of the six wives and let those who can lead, lead.
It is not a matter of changing policies. within the ANC structure the president carries out the party's mandate...ie he acts on policy issues as directed by the "maaatha boooody". I find it hard to believe could have dictated that much in a structure that is based on consensus. What I find harder to believe is that Mbeki made a unilateral decision to fire Zuma. Zuma has to have been privy to that decision, and even agreed to it... like Mbeki has here stated his compliance. JZ just pulled a bitch move after... His firing has to have been something that went through the NEC ... its just the kids in the YL who couldnt be convinced.
I vote for a Motlanthe...
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Something needs to change and if it means being lead by racist white rather than morally corrupt black, then so be it.
If the DA doesn't capitalise on this opportunity the next elections then they too are stupid because people are desperate for an alternative and at this point they are it.
interesting
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Something needs to change and if it means being lead by racist white rather than morally corrupt black, then so be it.
If the DA doesn't capitalise on this opportunity the next elections then they too are stupid because people are desperate for an alternative and at this point they are it.
interesting
Indeed, I guess there's a bit of good in this situation. At least now the Zuma ANC has a 7 month " probation" period before the next elections. Maybe they'll suprise us or maybe there'll be a civil war (jokes)
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whatever. there are still too people who would rather see a sub par black government before a white-led government ever again in this country...
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whatever. there are still too people who would rather see a sub par black government before a white-led government ever again in this country...
Which is sad because then thing will never change.
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It shouldn't be about black or white. It should be about who can do the best job.
Of course, most people are stupid and thus make an ideal world impossible.
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whatever. there are still too people who would rather see a sub par black government before a white-led government ever again in this country...
but you see... the mental psyche expecially for those that were in the from lines of the struggle will not swallow that pill very easily... it will take a very special white person who will have to prove him / herself for that to happen... my take in any case
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GO WHITE PEOPLE GO!
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VIVA COMRADE VIVA!
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And Helen Zille is NOT that special white person...by far. She should go back to being a journalist.
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And Helen Zille is NOT that special white person...by far. She should go back to being a journalist.
but before then, she needs to make up her mind. Earlier in the year she was calling for mbeki to resign and now that he has resigned she is still bitching...wa**up with that? ???
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GO WHITE PEOPLE GO!
Co-sign... Yeah,Let the white man step in and clean the mess up...
(http://leseanthomas.com/gallery/images/Boondocks/000-106-01-ruckus-front2-.jpg)
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So this is what so many people laid there life out for????
So yall can turn ur back and just say put the whit man back in charge????
Do u really think they will worry bout the poor? I dont
But then again,who gives a f*ck what i gotta say
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that shit is never gonna happen
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So this is what so many people laid there life out for????
So yall can turn ur back and just say put the whit man back in charge????
Do u really think they will worry bout the poor? I dont
But then again,who gives a f*ck what i gotta say
Sadly neither do they. All they care about is fattening their own pockets.
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With the choices i might have for electing the next president i dont see myself voting....
Lets start a new party... Africasgateway National Party..(ANP)
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I come from an area where our local goverment was the DA.. and what bothered us was the fact that the white area of the town was upgraded and had everything just handed to them while the coloured area was left for the dogs....
Whereas u could see the difference with the areas that operated under the ANC...
Although they are corrupt as hell, i still think they care for there people
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I come from an area where our local goverment was the DA.. and what bothered us was the fact that the white area of the town was upgraded and had everything just handed to them while the coloured area was left for the dogs....
Whereas u could see the difference with the areas that operated under the ANC...
Although they are corrupt as hell, i still think they care for there people
i co-sign... i personally know people that are in the governement that do give it thier all... actually care to uplift people, work tirelessly to improve basic conditions for people that need it...
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You know what I totally agree, the ANC has done a superb job but they are getting too comfortable. You'd be amazed at just how much harder people work with a little competition.
Even if the DA does come into power they'll know that at the end of the day the people have the power and should they F up we'll boot them as well and that alone will make them work for the people.
We've become complacent and we accept shit from the ANC because our past government was worse, but you know if we keep comparing it to something worse off we'll never improve because the bar will always be set very low.
They are too comfortable and I think just one term of being lead by a different party wil sort them out.
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You know what I totally agree, the ANC has done a superb job but they are getting too comfortable. You'd be amazed at just how much harder people work with a little competition.
Even if the DA does come into power they'll know that at the end of the day the people have the power and should they F up we'll boot them as well and that alone will make them work for the people.
We've become complacent and we accept shit from the ANC because our past government was worse, but you know if we keep comparing it to something worse off we'll never improve because the bar will always be set very low.
They are too comfortable and I think just one term of being lead by a different party wil sort them out.
I co-sign Baldi! These mofo's need a wake up call so that they can get they act together!! >:(
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Of course, now that Zuma is in, some favours need to be repaid. But that is not the core of the outing of Mbeki, he was kicked out for his "dictatorship" style with Zuma being the poster boy of the alliance of the wounded. A weekend story even quotes Cyril and Tokyo saying Mbeki must go.
I hardly think that Thabo had a "dictatorship" style and the only dictators here is the ANC YL. They seem to dictate who leads, when and now even for how long. We live in a multi party state yet 1 party had the power to fire a president. To me this was nothing but a political coup.
The ANC has become too comfortable in their position and sadly, we the voters have given them that power. We can say that we're not voting but that doesn't change anything because Zuma supporters will be voting. We need to shake the ground that the ANC is standing on otherwise we'll continue being lead by idiots and we'll just accept it because we much rather not vote then to vote for whites. Something needs to change and if it means being lead by racist white rather than morally corrupt black, then so be it.
If the DA doesn't capitalise on this opportunity the next elections then they too are stupid because people are desperate for an alternative and at this point they are it.
You clearly do not know what you typing about, Mbeki style of leading has been documented again and again, from strong-arming Chris Hani to plotting against Phosa, Sexwale and Ramaphosa, to firing the deputy health minister, Vusi Pikoli, to the current Zuma case.
In fact up until his second term the YL could have been described as simply useless, he woke them up.
True, the ANC has become too complacent, but I will never vote for a white person. Never. The same f***er who did not want to sign the apology to blacks? The same f***ers who want to conveniently forget the past? Then go overseas and down talk the country? f***. Never.
The best analysis for the whole snafu is today's "Star" read it...
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Then the ANCYL are playing a fair game for everyone as we need a leader who thinks for the goodness of the country not for his/her acquantancies.
Do you think before you post?
Actually she has the most well thought out and rational comment on the issue. She is saying that if the YL propped up Mbeki and he didn't deliver on the social economics policies and was thus removed, it stands to reason that they would do the same if Zuma diverts.
Of course, now that Zuma is in, some favours need to be repaid. But that is not the core of the outing of Mbeki, he was kicked out for his "dictatorship" style with Zuma being the poster boy of the alliance of the wounded. A weekend story even quotes Cyril and Tokyo saying Mbeki must go.
Clearly, Zuma did not win the presidency, Mbeki lost it.
It's pretty much safe to say Zuma will not change policies, and he and his friends will see just how hard it is to run a government, it takes substance, not rhetoric.
What we might have is a George Bush incompetence, not a Robert Mugabe incompetence.
You choose what's better.
No one, not even those close to Zuma believe he is fit to lead, it's just that no one wanted that decision to be made by Mbeki.
Zuma has won the political battle, you can't hate him for that. I say squash the trial and retreat to his homestead at Inklandla, take care of the six wives and let those who can lead, lead.
It is not a matter of changing policies. within the ANC structure the president carries out the party's mandate...ie he acts on policy issues as directed by the "maaatha boooody". I find it hard to believe could have dictated that much in a structure that is based on consensus. What I find harder to believe is that Mbeki made a unilateral decision to fire Zuma. Zuma has to have been privy to that decision, and even agreed to it... like Mbeki has here stated his compliance. JZ just pulled a bitch move after... His firing has to have been something that went through the NEC ... its just the kids in the YL who couldnt be convinced.
I vote for a Motlanthe...
Again this is naive, did the mother body decide on "Gear" as a policy? Did they decide that Aids is a western conspiracy therefore blocking aid for South Africans? No, all these and other decision where made at one address, sometimes with the help of the internet. That is dictating.
It does not matter if Zuma was privy to the decision to fire him. The whole world could be privy, but if they are not consulted and canva**ed it does not matter. That is dictating.
Read up...
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but I will never vote for a white person. Never. The same f***er who did not want to sign the apology to blacks? The same f***ers who want to conveniently forget the past? Then go overseas and down talk the country? f***. Never.
I've always thought you talk a lot of sense, and agreed with almost evrything you've said, but this bit is stupid.
Why should you base your vote on race, rather than who will make the best decisions for the country and its people?
Mind you, there is currently no legitimate white contender out there, but what if there comes along a white person with the right policies and mindset to drag us out of the shit we're in. Would you not vote for them, simply because they're white and rather have our people suffering under a "comrade" who is more concerned with lining his own pockets?
Very stupid of you my man, and that is the reason the ANC sees fit to do what they like, cos they know that no matter how much they f*** us over, we'll keep supporting them, cos there is no real opposition. we'll just keep holding our ankles and thanking them for the sodomy.
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But what if there comes along a white person with the right policies and mindset to drag us out of the shit we're in. Would you not vote for them, simply because they're white and rather have our people suffering under a "comrade" who is more concerned with lining his own pockets?
That will never happen. White South Africans still don't understand why we have affirmative action. They simply lack the empathy to "get" black South Africans, let alone create policies that will benefit them...
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@Schti.
Until you learn to see beyond race and realise that it is a totally arbitrary construct, you'll always be stuck in the same lines of thought. It's sad that someone as intelligent as you reasons this way:
They simply lack the empathy to "get" black South Africans
"They"? "Get"?
In running a country, white people don't need to "get" black people and vice versa. The only thing that needs to be gotten is a coherent social policy that doesn't revolve around petty, stupid and anal racial politics and which isn't riddled with corruption from power-hungry 'comrades' using the struggle as a one-size-fits-all excuse to line their pockets.
Do you get me now?
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@Schti.
Until you learn to see beyond race and realise that it is a totally arbitrary construct, you'll always be stuck in the same lines of thought. It's sad that someone as intelligent as you reasons this way:
They simply lack the empathy to "get" black South Africans
"They"? "Get"?
In running a country, white people don't need to "get" black people and vice versa. The only thing that needs to be gotten is a coherent social policy that doesn't revolve around petty, stupid and anal racial politics and which isn't riddled with corruption from power-hungry 'comrades' using the struggle as a one-size-fits-all excuse to line their pockets.
Do you get me now?
Done. Thanks Rob
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@Schti.
Until you learn to see beyond race and realise that it is a totally arbitrary construct, you'll always be stuck in the same lines of thought. It's sad that someone as intelligent as you reasons this way:
They simply lack the empathy to "get" black South Africans
"They"? "Get"?
In running a country, white people don't need to "get" black people and vice versa. The only thing that needs to be gotten is a coherent social policy that doesn't revolve around petty, stupid and anal racial politics and which isn't riddled with corruption from power-hungry 'comrades' using the struggle as a one-size-fits-all excuse to line their pockets.
Do you get me now?
You are a f***ing idiot, how can you propose anyone can run a country when they don't get the people (majority) of the country? Nonsense.
I don't debate politics with white people, you're included.
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Your loss, not mine.
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according to news24 Trevor Manuel Quits
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/TheEndofMbeki/0,,2-7-2457_2398308,00.html
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Alec, Aziz, Jabu Moleketi, Balfour, Ka**rils, Pahad Alpha, Skweyiya...
Check the news now! yho...
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Alec, Aziz, Jabu Moleketi, Balfour, Ka**rils, Pahad Alpha, Skweyiya...
Check the news now! yho...
WHich one cause it's not in News 24. Heard it over the radio.
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according to news24 Trevor Manuel Quits
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/TheEndofMbeki/0,,2-7-2457_2398308,00.html
Oh!
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Ok now were in kaak.The rand is already taking strain. I think Business Unity can start panicking anytime now.
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Alec, Aziz, Jabu Moleketi, Balfour, Ka**rils, Pahad Alpha, Skweyiya...
Check the news now! yho...
WHich one cause it's not in News 24. Heard it over the radio.
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/TheEndofMbeki/0,,2-7-2457_2398308,00.html
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http://www.mg.co.za/article/2008-09-23-sa-rocked-by-resignation-of-ministers (http://www.mg.co.za/article/2008-09-23-sa-rocked-by-resignation-of-ministers)
"Manuel's spokesperson said he is willing to serve under the country's new president in any capacity."
but...
"The resignations are likely to raise investor fears of political instability in Africa's biggest economy."
Oh dear.
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One name I was hoping to see there is the one name that's not there Dr. Mantombazana Edmie Tshabalala-Msimang.
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I certainly believe he had no choice in this matter so lets js hope that the upcoming president wil ................. ???
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People are dissatisfied with the government. And people are willing to put their faith/vote into any party that'll ensure that their basic requirements are met, and that their standards of living will be decent, whoever that may be.
If any of the other parties will sincerely offer a change of this sort we will vote for them. The colour of their leaders skin should not be an issue. We have this irrational fear that if we vote for the DA we'll be flung back into the era of apartheid....
BUT!!!! You should start thinking a bit deeper when an old lady in the train, who lived through the worst phases of apartheid says that she was happier back then than she is now.
So please do not vote according the people's skin colour, vote according to the sincerety of their will to ensure a BETTER LIFE FOR ALL... for real.
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One name I was hoping to see there is the one name that's not there Dr. Mantombazana Edmie Tshabalala-Msimang.
Co-sign!
Don't know how many more f*** ups she wants under her belt....it's like she aims to beat her own record every year
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Trevor's probably just saying that to ease things for SA's economy. How are you going to resign then later say you willing to serve in the new carbinet. apparantly the rand recoverd after he had said this. damn i guess he's more important than Mbeki.
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Trevor's probably just saying that to ease things for SA's economy. How are you going to resign then later say you willing to serve in the new carbinet. apparantly the rand recoverd after he had said this. damn i guess he's more important than Mbeki.
Because he resigned as a member of cabinet...not from the ANC. Im sure he would be willing if they "deploy" him again...wherever "the mooooviement" sees fit. He resigned because the man who hired him also did so. im sure he's not opposed to being "hired" by someone else
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follow how the markets are reacting here:
http://www.jse.co.za/ (http://www.jse.co.za/)
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Markets rallied somewhat after Manuel confirmed that he was willing to serve under a new president, hinting that this might not be his final goodbye. Should soon-to-be-confirmed acting president Kgalema Motlanthe wish to, he could rehire Manuel.
Manuel, who is currently in Washington, will hold a press conference at 15:15.
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Trevor's probably just saying that to ease things for SA's economy. How are you going to resign then later say you willing to serve in the new carbinet. apparantly the rand recoverd after he had said this. damn i guess he's more important than Mbeki.
cosig. i dont think they gonna resign. i think its just a strategy on their part, its a bargaining tool. they want the new NEC to lick their a**es and not take them for granted!
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shit is complex i tell ya
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