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Y'all heard?!!!
Standard Bank Arena. Tickets R150 and R180.
MTV have announced that American Rap super star, The Game, the lead artiste of Road to MAMA, an all-star concert tour that will rock Nigeria, Democratic Republic of Congo, South Africa and Kenya in the run-up to the MTV Africa Music Awards with Zain (MAMAs).
The concerts are scheduled to take place in the two weeks prior to the MTV Africa Music Awards with Zain, starting on Tuesday, 11 November, 2008 at the Halle de la Gombe in Kinshasa, DRC, before hitting Johannesburg’s Standard Bank Arena (Thursday 13 November, 2008), Bomas of Kenya, Nairobi (Saturday, November 15, 2008) and Lagos’ Planet One (Tuesday, November 18, 2008).
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Y'all heard?!!!
Standard Bank Arena. Tickets R150 and R180.
MTV have announced that American Rap super star, The Game, the lead artiste of Road to MAMA, an all-star concert tour that will rock Nigeria, Democratic Republic of Congo, South Africa and Kenya in the run-up to the MTV Africa Music Awards with Zain (MAMAs).
The concerts are scheduled to take place in the two weeks prior to the MTV Africa Music Awards with Zain, starting on Tuesday, 11 November, 2008 at the Halle de la Gombe in Kinshasa, DRC, before hitting Johannesburg’s Standard Bank Arena (Thursday 13 November, 2008), Bomas of Kenya, Nairobi (Saturday, November 15, 2008) and Lagos’ Planet One (Tuesday, November 18, 2008).
But what the f*** with the short notice from MTV?
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Y'all heard?!!!
Standard Bank Arena. Tickets R150 and R180.
MTV have announced that American Rap super star, The Game, the lead artiste of Road to MAMA,
And golden circle????
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This is from the computicket website:
Information
Description
The Game, Parlotones, HHP, Ca**ette and Jozi form part of the star studded line-up of MAMA's nominees. An evening of top entertainment, proudly brought to you by MTV and the MAMA's.
Price
PLEASE NOTE: Prices subject to change.
R180.00: Unreserved standing
R150.00: Unreserved seating
Children under 4: Free.
Doors/Gates Open
18h00
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I heard that our local artists will not be getting payed for this event.
Simply based on that, I will not be supporting this event.
Its a stand I feel we should all make.
Hiphop artists, and all South African musicians must be taken seriously.
*I listened in to Yfm when they were discussiong this event and they had Prokid on the line, he turned the event down because they told him "you will be getting EXPOSURE" and they would not pay him.
He continued to explain that MOST of the events where international artists come down here,the local artists do not get payed.
Anybody know any more information about this?
For Christs sake, he is a Nominee, but MTV still wont pay him to perform?
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@Cash. I hear you there. What exposure would Pro be getting from performing in SA? He's a big artist already. Can't believe MTV would exploit our artists this way (I'm a**uming your story is true). Pity I've already copped tickets, otherwise I'd also stay away from the gig. I like Game's music though.
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@Cash. I hear you there. What exposure would Pro be getting from performing in SA? He's a big artist already. Can't believe MTV would exploit our artists this way (I'm a**uming your story is true). Pity I've already copped tickets, otherwise I'd also stay away from the gig. I like Game's music though.
I think you should stage a demonstration and burn your tickets in front of the venue, just to show how unhappy you are with that shit.
Can't believe these f***ers. Exposure?
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I heard that our local artists will not be getting payed for this event.
Simply based on that, I will not be supporting this event.
Its a stand I feel we should all make.
Hiphop artists, and all South African musicians must be taken seriously.
*I listened in to Yfm when they were discussiong this event and they had Prokid on the line, he turned the event down because they told him "you will be getting EXPOSURE" and they would not pay him.
He continued to explain that MOST of the events where international artists come down here,the local artists do not get payed.
Anybody know any more information about this?
For Christs sake, he is a Nominee, but MTV still wont pay him to perform?
Noble stand Cash, but dayum nucca, but im there mayn The GAME is in da BUILDING, lol. yeah Pro-kid good looks, i wonder y SBU was still hyping the gig even though his artist has a problem with them cats and im sure he knows about that?
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Yeah was just bout to say some sme crazy, but realise u do have a point there cash!... and like blakes said, whu wud pro need exposure here in SA, even if its televised it will not do much to his status, MTV is taking a**, maybe smaller groups like Monopoly and them can do such i show to get their name out for free, bt f***,,,, if only everybody can boycott this shit!!! so is HHP doing it for free??
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Yeah Cash I was also listen to Y that morning, props to Pro for turning shit down.
And he further said he does not know how did the other acts negotiate, whether they will be paid or not.
Its f***ed up for real...what they expecting artists to eat?
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Yeah was just bout to say some sme crazy, but realise u do have a point there cash!... and like blakes said, whu wud pro need exposure here in SA, even if its televised it will not do much to his status, MTV is taking a**, maybe smaller groups like Monopoly and them can do such i show to get their name out for free, bt f***,,,, if only everybody can boycott this shit!!! so is HHP doing it for free??
i doubt if there is any truth to cash's claim, or whoever said that, but anyhow ive contacted someone at MTV and they'll get back to me asap, as it stands it could have been a booking fee dispute, perhaps looking at the fact that these cats will be sent to naija also to actually attend the awards as part of the nominees, i dont know i could be wrong.
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i doubt if there is any truth to cash's claim, or whoever said that, but anyhow ive contacted someone at MTV and they'll get back to me asap, as it stands it could have been a booking fee dispute, perhaps looking at the fact that these cats will be sent to naija also to actually attend the awards as part of the nominees, i dont know i could be wrong.
my 2 cents ... i dont see hhp as big as he is peforming for free... homie way past that stage. and he on the bill right? i hope its a missunderstanding
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Back in the day when The essences was on 5fm and I spoke to TTP, he told me that Big Concerts do not pay local artist to open for large international acts! This was true cause they even had the dude from Big Concerts talk about this on radio. As for MTV I honestly Don't know and don't have a comment! When I spoke to Navio (Uganda) and J from Nigeria they told me that in Nigeria the local act has to be paid a minimum of 33% of what the international act is getting so do the maths if the game wants $100k then in Nigeria the local act will get paid $33k for opening! They have a music rights commit that protects artists there!
As local artists we should stand together! Exposure does not put food on the table it doesn't pay the bond for my crib! We offer a service ! We deserve to get paid!
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I heard that our local artists will not be getting payed for this event.
Simply based on that, I will not be supporting this event.
Its a stand I feel we should all make.
Hiphop artists, and all South African musicians must be taken seriously.
*I listened in to Yfm when they were discussiong this event and they had Prokid on the line, he turned the event down because they told him "you will be getting EXPOSURE" and they would not pay him.
He continued to explain that MOST of the events where international artists come down here,the local artists do not get payed.
Anybody know any more information about this?
For Christs sake, he is a Nominee, but MTV still wont pay him to perform?
Noble stand Cash, but dayum nucca, but im there mayn The GAME is in da BUILDING, lol. yeah Pro-kid good looks, i wonder y SBU was still hyping the gig even though his artist has a problem with them cats and im sure he knows about that?
Exposure?
Jesus wept.
Whoever is running the event should be f***ing ashamed of themselves. Is it Big Concerts? They got a rep for this sort of bullshittery. Cynical, arrogant, smarmy, f***ing....ARG.
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i doubt if there is any truth to cash's claim, or whoever said that, but anyhow ive contacted someone at MTV and they'll get back to me asap, as it stands it could have been a booking fee dispute, perhaps looking at the fact that these cats will be sent to naija also to actually attend the awards as part of the nominees, i dont know i could be wrong.
my 2 cents ... i dont see hhp as big as he is peforming for free... homie way past that stage. and he on the bill right? i hope its a missunderstanding
ProKid is also big and they still wanted him to perform for free or should I say for exposure SMH.
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Back in the day when The essences was on 5fm and I spoke to TTP, he told me that Big Concerts do not pay local artist to open for large international acts! This was true cause they even had the dude from Big Concerts talk about this on radio. As for MTV I honestly Don't know and don't have a comment! When I spoke to Navio (Uganda) and J from Nigeria they told me that in Nigeria the local act has to be paid a minimum of 33% of what the international act is getting so do the maths if the game wants $100k then in Nigeria the local act will get paid $33k for opening! They have a music rights commit that protects artists there!
As local artists we should stand together! Exposure does not put food on the table it doesn't pay the bond for my crib! We offer a service ! We deserve to get paid!
it turns out, this is just a rumor that has been going around and MTVBase are aware of it, so chill, go get ur tickets, cats is getting caked up.
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Back in the day when The essences was on 5fm and I spoke to TTP, he told me that Big Concerts do not pay local artist to open for large international acts! This was true cause they even had the dude from Big Concerts talk about this on radio. As for MTV I honestly Don't know and don't have a comment! When I spoke to Navio (Uganda) and J from Nigeria they told me that in Nigeria the local act has to be paid a minimum of 33% of what the international act is getting so do the maths if the game wants $100k then in Nigeria the local act will get paid $33k for opening! They have a music rights commit that protects artists there!
As local artists we should stand together! Exposure does not put food on the table it doesn't pay the bond for my crib! We offer a service ! We deserve to get paid!
it turns out, this is just a rumor that has been going around and MTVBase are aware of it, so chill, go get ur tickets, cats is getting caked up.
so whats with prokid on radio talking "exposure" all about?.
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Uncle Bextizyy speaks on this, on a 17 minute joint he has on BattleKat's Beats Against the Beast Project,just breaking down the industry. He makes mention of a local rock group who where opening for an major international rock act and where also offered "EXPOSURE" as a reward for their toil.Worse,they had to go around the country following this big ROCK band,paying their own travelling costs.
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I wish what I was saying was not true, but PRO was very VERY clear about what he was saying, using the word "FOKOL" when answering how much they were offering.
Sbu still had to promote the event because YFM is a media partner in the event.
But PRO was clear that they do not pay local artists for these events(mentioning explicitly the Snoop, G Unit, Kelly Rowland and Jay-Z concerts)
PRO also mentioned that he was doing a lot of FREE shows, but only does them because he is cool/friends with the DJ's/organisers of these events(He mentioned the Foolish Thursdays Events hosted by Tholi B).
This is a reality people. Our hiphop artists are being explioted to the fullest.
Im glad PRO took a stand LIVE on RADIO.
I understand that you guys want to go see "The Game", i did too.
But the damage that it is causing us is huge.
I mean, Blakles, dont you think artists of your calibre should even be "invited" to these events(never mind paying for tickets.wtf?) We are being disrespected and we're still happy that "At least we will see GAME, maybe get some EXPOSURE,maybe even an autograph. What are you gaining from seeing GAME if it will cost you the price of YOUR OWN LOCAL ARTISTS NOT GETTING PAYED and you indirectly supporting this?"
Sbu and them promised to get an MTV representative to state their side of the story after PRO called in, I wonder what happened? Any feedback?
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@Explicit. I don't believe that 33 percent thing. Contracts are personal and people negotiate them according to what they feel they're worth, not according to what the other dude is getting. How does one even know for sure how much The Game is getting paid? The artists that want 33 percent of what a big international act is getting might still get duped because they don't have access to the act's contract. There's no way of knowing what the dude is getting. One could only speculate
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Uncle Bextizyy speaks on this, on a 17 minute joint he has on BattleKat's Beats Against the Beast Project,just breaking down the industry. He makes mention of a local rock group who where opening for an major international rock act and where also offered "EXPOSURE" as a reward for their toil.Worse,they had to go around the country following this big ROCK band,paying their own travelling costs.
Was listening to this ish on Tuesday.
@Buff so wa**up with the Prokid situation since you connected....that nigga is one the best for heaven sake, why not paying him?
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@Explicit. I don't believe that 33 percent thing. Contracts are personal and people negotiate them according to what they feel they're worth, not according to what the other dude is getting. How does one even know for sure how much The Game is getting paid? The artists that want 33 percent of what a big international act is getting might still get duped because they don't have access to the act's contract. There's no way of knowing what the dude is getting. One could only speculate
@BlakLez
Dude I sat down in studio with these dudes who came down here for the Channel O awards and they told me themselves that they have a music commit that charges 33% of what the international act wants! Dude i didn't suck this shit out my thumb! they told me this! I mean these are artists from Nigeria that Sell 1 million copies in 5 days forget a week! Don't you think they have a strong following? We celebrating 25k sold and head over heels here dude! think about it!
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Back in the day when The essences was on 5fm and I spoke to TTP, he told me that Big Concerts do not pay local artist to open for large international acts! This was true cause they even had the dude from Big Concerts talk about this on radio. As for MTV I honestly Don't know and don't have a comment! When I spoke to Navio (Uganda) and J from Nigeria they told me that in Nigeria the local act has to be paid a minimum of 33% of what the international act is getting so do the maths if the game wants $100k then in Nigeria the local act will get paid $33k for opening! They have a music rights commit that protects artists there!
As local artists we should stand together! Exposure does not put food on the table it doesn't pay the bond for my crib! We offer a service ! We deserve to get paid!
it turns out, this is just a rumor that has been going around and MTVBase are aware of it, so chill, go get ur tickets, cats is getting caked up.
Im sorry man, i would rather take the word of an artist with nothing to lose rather than someone who works for a BRAND that pays him/her to promote the brand.
Nobody at MTV would say anything to damage the reputation of the brand and risk losing their pay cheque. So perhaps the person you spoke to has other concerns rather than speaking out for artists(in this case). ie. job security,confidentiality clauses,loss of ticket sales/revenue,liability for misrepresentation of the brand? etc. Pro is the last thing on that persons mind.just a thought.
Just like how Sbu had to promote the event right after PRO hung up because YFM is a media partner. He is OBLIGATED to promote the event.
@Bleakles, IGHO has confirmed this 33% clause many times.
Faze(Fromer Plantation boys member with 2Face) has stated it to me as well. I think P-Square and D'Banj get more after D'Banj SHUT DOWN the JAY-Z concert.
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I wish what I was saying was not true, but PRO was very VERY clear about what he was saying, using the word "FOKOL" when answering how much they were offering.
Sbu still had to promote the event because YFM is a media partner in the event.
But PRO was clear that they do not pay local artists for these events(mentioning explicitly the Snoop, G Unit, Kelly Rowland and Jay-Z concerts)
PRO also mentioned that he was doing a lot of FREE shows, but only does them because he is cool/friends with the DJ's/organisers of these events(He mentioned the Foolish Thursdays Events hosted by Tholi B).
This is a reality people. Our hiphop artists are being explioted to the fullest.
Im glad PRO took a stand LIVE on RADIO.
I understand that you guys want to go see "The Game", i did too.
But the damage that it is causing us is huge.
I mean, Blakles, dont you think artists of your calibre should even be "invited" to these events(never mind paying for tickets.wtf?) We are being disrespected and we're still happy that "At least we will see GAME, maybe get some EXPOSURE,maybe even an autograph. What are you gaining from seeing GAME if it will cost you the price of YOUR OWN LOCAL ARTISTS NOT GETTING PAYED and you indirectly supporting this?"
Sbu and them promised to get an MTV representative to state their side of the story after PRO called in, I wonder what happened? Any feedback?
anyhow i might sound ignorant in writing that an MTVBase representative has confirmed that they are aware of such rumors, perhaps them beign on radio to discuss the issue would help. but m sure cash u know there is more to me being at the gig than just the game, yeah im seeing the game but also, ill be SEEEING the game, so yeah at the cost of, never mind. the point is, an artist of LEZ's calibre, i suppose LEZ will answer that himself, but from ma opinion, i feel that taking a stand is good, but you should also look at this dawg, why would HHP be in the mix? why would Jozi be in the Mix? i hear what u r saying about SBU's obligation to the show cos yfm is a media partner, i think The Game will be on the afternoon drive show today with Chilli M so lets hear what the deal is, i hope an MTV rep will be there too. But Lez maybe because of his a**ociation with HYPE magazine yeah he could get complimentary tickets cos he part o the media, but whats the reason behind the event? how will MTV Base benefit from inviting The Anvils to the event for free? i think in the broader scheme of things, we should be able to make our own minds about things and i have a slight bit of a problem with group thinking. what do we really know about Pro's stance? and Big Concerts yes, they do bring BIG artists to SA but over and above that, the main sponsors are not always the same people and the budgeting is not always the same and the objective behind the events aint always the same so i do not think we should generalise about what has happened in the past and specific to big concerts vs any other event that brings international artists to SA. as it stands i would have loved to have the anvils on that stage, but we were told that this particular event was specific to pushing the MAMA'S and the nominees too. so i fell back, but m still going to see the game. Lez why dont you call HHp up and ask him in person? we can put an end to this speculation?
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@Cash. I agree with you. Why would someone employed by MTV say something damaging to the brand that puts food on their table? Yo Buff, let's not let our eagerness to see Game perform cloud our judgement. As big as MTV are, is it right for them to expect artists to do work for props and groupie love? That's just crazy! Peace to Pro for taking a stand. This dude is definitely showing the rest of us how... Imagine not getting paid after putting in work! The obvious question is, why work if you know there'll be no money coming your way. MTV is playing games!!
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Yeah, point taken BUFF.
Theres always 3 sides to a story.
the thing is YES, you will be SEEING the Game, But at YOUR cost.
He will also be SEEING you, but at YOUR cost.
As a matter of fact hiphop artists are now doing hiphop, at their cost(all of us).
How can we continue to conduct business like this?
ps. The Anvils are in the top 5 Biggest groups in SA. They SHOULD be invited to come see The Game and shake hands at least. Its called "Public Relations", but i guess hiphop artists arent seen as part of the public.
Just like if "Lady Smith Balck Mambazo" go to the US, Quincey Jones, P Diddy,etc. will be INVITED to come shake hands with them.
Im not even joking anymore, the situation in SA hiphop hurts me deeply.
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One of the performers (wont mention him), has just refused confirm or deny that he's getting paid. Figure it out. No use complaining if some artists are ok with working for free.
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People will treat you how you let yourself get treated. Big CONcerts know that most artists are desperate to get international shine and be able to put, 'performed with The Game' on their CVs. Truth is, most local warm-up acts don't even get to shake hands with the headline act, let alone chill with them backstage. You're just another groupie.
We've all got to get rid of this small time groupie mentality. Who gives a f*** about The Game? If you wanna see him as a fan, that's cool - just pay for a ticket and take your girl to the concert and enjoy yourself. Don't try to shine off his shine and see performing for free as some kind of business opportunity. Focus on your own shit. Work yourself to the level where you can approach him as an equal to do a collaboration (if you like his shit).
Doing concerts for free is cool if you're doing it for your record label (to promote your album, for example), or for friends. There's so much money available when big sponsors get involved - you're disrespecting yourself if you don't demand to get paid.
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@Cash since you are boys with Da Les why don't you ask him if he is getting that paper or not?
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One of the performers (wont mention him), has just refused confirm or deny that he's getting paid. Figure it out. No use complaining if some artists are ok with working for free.
so who are we to complain on their behalf?
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People will treat you how you let yourself get treated. Big CONcerts know that most artists are desperate to get international shine and be able to put, 'performed with The Game' on their CVs. Truth is, most local warm-up acts don't even get to shake hands with the headline act, let alone chill with them backstage. You're just another groupie.
We've all got to get rid of this small time groupie mentality. Who gives a f*** about The Game? If you wanna see him as a fan, that's cool - just pay for a ticket and take your girl to the concert and enjoy yourself. Don't try to shine off his shine and see performing for free as some kind of business opportunity. Focus on your own shit. Work yourself to the level where you can approach him as an equal to do a collaboration (if you like his shit).
Doing concerts for free is cool if you're doing it for your record label (to promote your album, for example), or for friends. There's so much money available when big sponsors get involved - you're disrespecting yourself if you don't demand to get paid.
D, isnt it a business move if you are promoting your album as you have just mentioned?
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F*ck all those crackers on Mtv caking off these cotton picking minstrels.
The least they can do is give yall one of those hampers with mealie meal, pilchards and naartjie flavoured drink-o-pop. All that tap dancing is too much hard work, especially if its for free.
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Damn, everybody give Blaklez [PROPS] right now.
Its very important that we become more honest with each other.
We need to.
We have to start unifying(yes, weve said this before a million times), but I cant see myself spending my time,effort,sacrifices,finances for much longer in this game if we dont pull together and make this industry respect us.
I just told the Woodstock guys to eat a dick cos now they claim they only have R2500 budget for hiphop acts per hr(and they give each act 20 minutes). Thats +-R800 per hiphop act.
Thats a spit in the face(even for a small group like DEM CRACKBOYS)
Whether or not you like our music or what we look like, or how we live our lives, i think its pointless now for hiphop artists to beef amongst each other about petty things anymore.
Its time we unified and created an ORGANISATION that will serve and protect our needs and interests.
This cant go on.
Peace fellas.
I respect Buff for sayin "i still gotta go see Game,its a personal choice", i cannot do it though. But lets meet up afterwards so we dont have this same conversation at the next "international" event.
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The least they can do is give yall one of those hampers with mealie meal, pilchards and naartjie flavoured drink-o-pop. All that tap dancing is too much hard work, especially if its for free.
ROFL!!!!!
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Buff, come on my nig. What would HHP and Pro gain from performing alongside Game for free? These dudes are fulltime artists. Thats their job. I wouldn't expect you to install cables in Sandton for free in order to expose yourself as a good engineer. Like these dudes, you've been earning a living from your profession and have proven yourself as a capable engineer. It would be a backward step to do pro bono work for people who can more than afford to pay you.
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Yeah, point taken BUFF.
Theres always 3 sides to a story.
the thing is YES, you will be SEEING the Game, But at YOUR cost.
He will also be SEEING you, but at YOUR cost.
As a matter of fact hiphop artists are now doing hiphop, at their cost(all of us).
How can we continue to conduct business like this?
ps. The Anvils are in the top 5 Biggest groups in SA. They SHOULD be invited to come see The Game and shake hands at least. Its called "Public Relations", but i guess hiphop artists arent seen as part of the public.
Just like if "Lady Smith Balck Mambazo" go to the US, Quincey Jones, P Diddy,etc. will be INVITED to come shake hands with them.
Im not even joking anymore, the situation in SA hiphop hurts me deeply.
networking costs bro, im tied of this sense of entitlement while cats aint puttign in work, the anvils will get to that stage where they command that typa respect at the moment according to the event organisers and the various brands responsible for sponsorsing the events, clearly not. so lets keep it moving. pro took a stand thats kul, but hhp took a different stand, thats also kul for him, we all working our different angles and im not accountable to no one else but myself when it comes to my livelihood.
cash yesterday we spoke about this, cats taking up gigs without no pay, while y'all be turning them down for ur own reaons. we will never know the true story and even so, if HHp decides to take up that offer without pay while prokid decides to turn it down, well hey its their decisions. it will be very difficult to take responsibility for another mans decisions. perhaps the idea of a committee is not a bad one but for now, lets keep it moving. remember one common thing about human beings, we are self serving, even if people wont admit to it, ive learnt this, in this world no one else will take care o u, but urself, so who are we to question a cat who decides he will get on stage even if he doesnt get paid? he has weighed his options and felt its the right move for him and it might not be for everyone else.
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Buff, come on my nig. What would HHP and Pro gain from performing alongside Game for free? These dudes are fulltime artists. Thats their job. I wouldn't expect you to install cables in Sandton for free in order to expose yourself as a good engineer. Like these dudes, you've been earning a living from your profession and have proven yourself as a capable engineer. It would be a backward step to do pro bono work for people who can more than afford to pay you.
point taken loud and clear lez, like i said in ma previous post, it only means that HHP has weighd his options and as big an artist as he is, he has decided to go without pay, now ask urself what is it that he see's that you are not seeing?
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@Buff - Obviously each artist has to decide for themselves what their motivation is. I would just say that all 'exposure' is not the same.
If Pro Kid does a show in the hood for TS Records, he's there as the main man - he's getting the shine and people are gonna remember him as the star.
Warming up a set for a big international act can do you more damage than good sometimes. People aren't there to see you - you're just the annoying time-filler before the main show. It's about the way you're treated throughout the whole process too - being paid is just a part of it.
I understand that The Game has many more fans that most local acts. He's an international platinum-selling artist so his presence is a big incentive for people to go. However, this whole thing is supposed to be a celebration of African talent. We have to start believing in ourselves and stop seeing ourselves as warm-up artists.
Everywhere Sharpa performed in Europe he was treated as an equal to the other acts (despite not that many people knowing him). He got treated the same as the big names - he was paid properly, his name was big on the flyers and posters, he was marketed properly, we were collected at the airport, looked after in VIP, introduced to the other acts backstage, did the same press as the other acts etc.
I'm not saying that our local acts won't be treated well by Big Concerts, but the fact that they aren't willing to pay is a sign of disrespect that doesn't exactly give you confidence that the rest will be taken care of. They are just exploiting our desperation to get any shine we can.
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If there's no money involved then I'm glad I'm not seeing what he sees.
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Damn, everybody give Blaklez [PROPS] right now.
Its very important that we become more honest with each other.
We need to.
We have to start unifying(yes, weve said this before a million times), but I cant see myself spending my time,effort,sacrifices,finances for much longer in this game if we dont pull together and make this industry respect us.
I just told the Woodstock guys to eat a dick cos now they claim they only have R2500 budget for hiphop acts per hr(and they give each act 20 minutes). Thats +-R800 per hiphop act.
Thats a spit in the face(even for a small group like DEM CRACKBOYS)
Whether or not you like our music or what we look like, or how we live our lives, i think its pointless now for hiphop artists to beef amongst each other about petty things anymore.
Its time we unified and created an ORGANISATION that will serve and protect our needs and interests.
This cant go on.
Peace fellas.
I respect Buff for sayin "i still gotta go see Game,its a personal choice", i cannot do it though. But lets meet up afterwards so we dont have this same conversation at the next "international" event.
eyo mayn it is what it is, lets form that committee, LOL. anyhow hit me up when yall finalised things around Zim and the quote ;)
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Buff, come on my nig. What would HHP and Pro gain from performing alongside Game for free? These dudes are fulltime artists. Thats their job. I wouldn't expect you to install cables in Sandton for free in order to expose yourself as a good engineer. Like these dudes, you've been earning a living from your profession and have proven yourself as a capable engineer. It would be a backward step to do pro bono work for people who can more than afford to pay you.
I agree with Lez 100%.
@Buff, it frustrates me that we TURN shows down,then niggas jump on the same shit for free,simply because now we will be seen as the REBELS(ie.the ones who dont conform), just like PRO seems to be looking like a diva cos HHP is doin it with no complaints.Now PRO seems like he bein "difficult"
Do you see the foulness in this situation?
Not every business move is a WORTH WHILE move.
I think HHP could get payed AND STILL get whatever he is getting out of the event. you should never have to CHOOSE.ie Pay or Other Incentives. thats not healthy business.
You must get payed, AND BE OFFERED the extra incentives.
I mean GAME is getting The WHOLE PIE. Pay,exposure,more sales,he does not have to choose.
If you are given the opportunity(with a price attached), its just plain disrespect. It smells like " We are doing you a favour" mentality.
I guess some of us are more used to this tratment than others.
I personally cannot stomach it.
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@Buff - Obviously each artist has to decide for themselves what their motivation is. I would just say that all 'exposure' is not the same.
If Pro Kid does a show in the hood for TS Records, he's there as the main man - he's getting the shine and people are gonna remember him as the star.
Warming up a set for a big international act can do you more damage than good sometimes. People aren't there to see you - you're just the annoying time-filler before the main show. It's about the way you're treated throughout the whole process too - being paid is just a part of it.
I understand that The Game has many more fans that most local acts. He's an international platinum-selling artist so his presence is a big incentive for people to go. However, this whole thing is supposed to be a celebration of African talent. We have to start believing in ourselves and stop seeing ourselves as warm-up artists.
Everywhere Sharpa performed in Europe he was treated as an equal to the other acts (despite not that many people knowing him). He got treated the same as the big names - he was paid properly, his name was big on the flyers and posters, he was marketed properly, we were collected at the airport, looked after in VIP, introduced to the other acts backstage, did the same press as the other acts etc.
I'm not saying that our local acts won't be treated well by Big Concerts, but the fact that they aren't willing to pay is a sign of disrespect that doesn't exactly give you confidence that the rest will be taken care of. They are just exploiting our desperation to get any shine we can.
i take the highlight as the salient point in ur post. all im saying is that, jabba has been in the industry for close to 10 years give or take a few years. all i am saying is that he didnt get to where he is today through making bad decisions only, probably more good ones than bad and i believe that there is more to him choosing to perform than not to. or perhaps he had an off day and was like, no bookings this weekend, i might as well do it for the love, LOL. the fact of the matter is we do not know. i will not rally up behind decisions whose rationale and motivation i do not know.
i guess all it boils down to is individual choice because only the individuals know the rationale behind their choices. so this whole we are the world BS is rubish, cos i can tell you right now, 80% of the artists on this site would all amke different decisions when such opportunities get presented to them, cos they all have different needs and drivers, so this lets all hug and rally behind one common cause when we all know that we are all pulling in different directions individually is bull. like i said perhaps the committee is not a bad idea. sumone put their money where their mouth is, lets start that committee? will you join in D? Pro? Lez Cash etc etc etc?
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The Congress of Hiphop aka Hipkota (jokes) :D
Seriously though,I will definitely draft something up and present it to whoever may be interested in joining such an organisation. Its crutial right now.
I think we must all brainstorm on it and see the COMMON ground.Then we MUST ACT.
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Don't get me wrong Buff, I'm not dissing HHP or any other artist that makes the decision to perform for free - that's their business. I just don't agree with the principle of it.
I salute Pro and Cash for turning down gigs where the money ain't right. I do it myself every week. If people want to see that as being 'difficult', then those aren't people I want to do business with.
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The Congress of Hiphop aka Hipkota (jokes) :D
Seriously though,I will definitely draft something up and present it to whoever may be interested in joining such an organisation. Its crutial right now.
I think we must all brainstorm on it and see the COMMON ground.Then we MUST ACT.
http://www.risa.org.za/ (http://www.risa.org.za/)
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The Congress of Hiphop aka Hipkota (jokes) :D
Seriously though,I will definitely draft something up and present it to whoever may be interested in joining such an organisation. Its crutial right now.
I think we must all brainstorm on it and see the COMMON ground.Then we MUST ACT.
yeah thats wssup. LOL, Hipkota dats some funny ish, oh by the way, it turns out there is a press conference tomorrow am awaiting information on the time and venue and this question will be asked to the MTVbase guys, so lookout for that. so can we perhaps wait till after the press conference and then loose our tempers afterwards? but im for hipkota, i think that could be somethign really serious cos at least whoeva is part of it will not have to change their mind at the last minute about whetehr he getting paid o nt.
just in the name of brainstorming, what do you think the stand of record labels will be against such an organisation, because their drivers are different, they even pay to get their artists music played on radio n tv, so to them this exposure of their artist pushes the marketability of their product even more?
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I have to agree with everything Siphocashi and D-Planet have been saying here.
The thing is, by performing for free regardless of what his motivation is, Jabba is doing a lot of harm to every single up and coming artist and guys like Prokid's career. This is because they can now say, "Well HHP performs for us for free, so who the f*** are you to demand a paycheck, we can just get him again."
Now the precedent is being set that big SA acts are willing to be treated like groupies just so that they can share a stage with their American heroes. I have a lot of respect for Jabba. He is one of the nicest humblest cats in the industry, but this decision leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
By not standing together he is endorsing the exploitation of artists and making it that much harder for other artists to earn a paycheck. Every SA act that is performing there is doing the industry a disservice.
Sipho R800 to perform at Woodstock? Shit. That's less than R100 per crackboy. Bet you wish there were less of you now huh?
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I have to agree with everything Siphocashi and D-Planet have been saying here.
The thing is, by performing for free regardless of what his motivation is, Jabba is doing a lot of harm to every single up and coming artist and guys like Prokid's career. This is because they can now say, "Well HHP performs for us for free, so who the f*** are you to demand a paycheck, we can just get him again."
Now the precedent is being set that big SA acts are willing to be treated like groupies just so that they can share a stage with their American heroes. I have a lot of respect for Jabba. He is one of the nicest humblest cats in the industry, but this decision leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
By not standing together he is endorsing the exploitation of artists and making it that much harder for other artists to earn a paycheck. Every SA act that is performing there is doing the industry a disservice.
Sipho R800 to perform at Woodstock? Shit. That's less than R100 per crackboy. Bet you wish there were less of you now huh?
LOL, yeah thats a serious concern of Cash'. hipkota is the way to go perhaps some of our problems will be resolved. well i suppose there is some thruth to setting a precedence, but like i said because we do not know the reasoning behind his decision we cannot put him on the chopping block. lets go to the press conference tomorrow
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I have to agree with everything Siphocashi and D-Planet have been saying here.
The thing is, by performing for free regardless of what his motivation is, Jabba is doing a lot of harm to every single up and coming artist and guys like Prokid's career. This is because they can now say, "Well HHP performs for us for free, so who the f*** are you to demand a paycheck, we can just get him again."
Now the precedent is being set that big SA acts are willing to be treated like groupies just so that they can share a stage with their American heroes. I have a lot of respect for Jabba. He is one of the nicest humblest cats in the industry, but this decision leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
By not standing together he is endorsing the exploitation of artists and making it that much harder for other artists to earn a paycheck. Every SA act that is performing there is doing the industry a disservice.
Sipho R800 to perform at Woodstock? Shit. That's less than R100 per crackboy. Bet you wish there were less of you now huh?
gotta give u [props] there man.
Its actually -R100 from each Crackboy cos we have to cover our costs on R800(our usual costs go to approx. R1000 pershow.ie.transport,food,weed,entourage(ie.security),giveaways so we are at a loss already.
I mean we were planning to make t-shirts,banners,bandanas,hampers for fans. I mean Woodstock is a big event!
So much for that.
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Damn! Thats a short notice! Chuck Taylor Reformed LA Gangbanger and BLACKWALL STREET Henchman in the building will try to get there.Ill report sick.Yeah!where them Golden circles @?
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^^^ We turned down Woodstock for the same reasons.
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it would be great to get to a place where we are in full possession of the facts of this situation but as is known it certainly wouldnt be the first time. this is known to be happening.
the question i was asking myself last night is with regards to the organisations that are already in place, created to and tasked to handle some of these questions. whats happening to make them so ineffectual. or are they. or is it that we ourselves are not engaging with the processes. are we not educating and empowering ourselves to be in full possession of the mechanisms. whats happening thats making them so seemingly absent and ineffectual. so many people have come before us, so may have walked this path. still singing the same song. what needs to be happening with the organisations in place already. when no matter what we believe at some point the self sacrifice becomes so unsustainable. when choice and circumstance means we might not all be standing in the same line fighting together. what needs to be happening at that level where recourse is not a lament but a known workable reality.
but just big ups to some of the points raised in this thread you guys.
and all respect to pro.
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^^^ We turned down Woodstock for the same reasons.
[props] to Rhoze for shouting out PRO's noble efforts and Dplanet for giving those Woodstock guys the middle finger!
@NewJack (BOOOOO) lol
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What we need to do is come together and support one another! If Ben Sharpa is having a launch we all come along and support the brother regardless of whether your a fan or not! You know Mizi stated this in one of the hype magz that we need a strong supprt system that will benefit us all! I have always supported local music before international artist! Morale Rising star- Got it Crackboys - Got most of them Sharpa -got it! Anvils- got it Proverb- Can live with out it I even went as far as getting DA LES to show my support for local hip-hop ! Some fot he albums that I have mentioned are not even over R100! We cant say that its not affordable !
Lets work together and excel together! Enough of this pointless bullshit that we always going through! lets all make our money and then we can beef and try out do one another.
When we organize shows bring in something for everyone! Not everyone is a fan of a specific artist! bring a line up of at least 4 different artists who have different styles and can bring fans that can mix and get exposed to other artists!
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I think we definitely need to do shows that attract many types of crowds(like you said, have events which feature different types of artists - a lineup like Teargas,Ben Sharpa,Crackboys,Da Les,The Anvils sounds pretty cool)
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I think we definitely need to do shows that attract many types of crowds(like you said, have events which feature different types of artists - a lineup like Teargas,Ben Sharpa,Prokid,Proverb,The Anvils,HHP sounds pretty cool)
Fixed it for you, I think you made a typo.
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lol.
Ur not seeing the bigger picture.
You have already lost the "13-21" yr old market by excluding Da Les,Crackboys.
Ben,Anvils,Proverb cater for the same market
Teargas,Prokid,HHP cater for the same market
So include Da Les, Gliteratti, Crackboys as well.
More exposure and revenue for everybody. the essence of what X and I were trying to say is we must create UNITY.
Now you come and start division again?
u get a [smack] for that from everybody!!!
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I'm all for unity, but I think most people would agree with me when I say I don't wanna go to a gig with a bunch of kids under 18.
Not only does that come with a whole lot of regulations as far as sellling booze etc. is concerned, but I think it takes away from the whole experience cos people can't enjoy themselves as they would like cos of all the kids there.
And then I have to ask every girl I hit on how old she is first. The Crackheads and DA Les can team up with other teenybopper crews and have their gigs in a separate venue next door. Then after entertaining the kids, they can come hang with the grown folk.
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lol.
Ur not seeing the bigger picture.
You have already lost the "13-21" yr old market by excluding Da Les,Crackboys.
Ben,Anvils,Proverb cater for the same market
Teargas,Prokid,HHP cater for the same market
So include Da Les, Gliteratti, Crackboys as well.
More exposure and revenue for everybody. the essence of what X and I were trying to say is we must create UNITY.
Now you come and start division again?
u get a [smack] for that from everybody!!!
LOL. UNITY UNITY, haai let me keep quiet. LETS UNITE FELLAS hipkota
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:D eish Pyro :D
UR a real character man.apreciate the humour :D
UNITY
VIVA HIPkota aka The Congress of Hiphop VIVA
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:D eish Pyro :D
UR a real character man.apreciate the humour :D
UNITY
VIVA HIPkota aka The Congress of Hiphop VIVA
What humour?
I was being serious.
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Are you really being serious man?
eshe!!!
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all you hand sausages answer this... why the f*** should you pay an artist that can't even sell 100k and you're giving them the opportuinuty (f*** spelling... i'm tired) to perform alongside the f***ing game... for free... the guy that sells 559,076 copies not 35 :-*
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all you hand sausages answer this... why the f*** should you pay an artist that can't even sell 100k and you're giving them the opportuinuty (f*** spelling... i'm tired) to perform alongside the f***ing game... for free... the guy that sells 559,076 copies not 35 :-*
I wonder how much The Game has sold in SA?
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Wow this Topic AGAIN!!!.... I'm glad we moving to institute some type of group or a**ociation, and i do think RISA and Department of Arts Culuture should endorse it. I meantioned this before, Just accross the border in Botswana, when i brought DEAD PREZ there years ago, there's is a law that protects local artists.
1. you gotta have them on your bill
2. you gotta show proof of payment,
NOW is that too mcuh to ask for. we need the same act here in South Africa.
I'd really like to push this thing. I got nuff folks in LAW i'm sure we can propose something here.
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all you hand sausages answer this... why the f*** should you pay an artist that can't even sell 100k and you're giving them the opportuinuty (f*** spelling... i'm tired) to perform alongside the f***ing game... for free... the guy that sells 559,076 copies not 35 :-*
@Che Monu
You are liable to pay a "live performer" for rendering his services to you.
Only the ''amount" you are paying the performer may be affected by factors such as "record sales", but it cannot mean that you pay them "nothing at all".
There are expenses that a performer incurs by rendering their time and services to you.
If you cannot meet their minimum requirements,then you must not disrespect them by calling them up and expecting freebies.
I just think the way forward now is for us to develop as UNDERSTANDING of what we are doing. This is a Business. Hence Business practices and principles must be followed.
@Draztik,
I appreciate you shedding some light on this topic. you spoke on this for a minute back, and niggas SLEPT on it.
For me it has now HIT HOME(my apologies for my ignorance).
But we have since August started performing live on an almost weekly basis and now I can say, I UNDERSTAND THE PLIGHT of SA performing artists(especially hiphop).
We barely get paid. Instead we incur MAJOR costs, just to get the chance to give our fans what they want. And we will continue to do it, only because of our loyalty to our fans. but it hits you when you realise "For how long can you afford to do these freebies and small paying shows at your OWN expense?"
It really disturbed me when I found out that our artists are not even getting payed for BIG EVENTS(when international artists come down here).
I think RISA can definitely play a pivotal role with the Organisation.
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One of the reasons why the US music market is so strong is because Americans don't spend their lives listening to music (and media) from other countries. They focus on their own shit and they invent their own styles. In other words, their insularity leads to innovation.
We spend our lives being bombarded, blinded and brainwashed by foreign media. It's 2009, 28 years since I dedicated myself to hip hop, and we still only have a handful of popular South African rappers who don't have American accents. On almost every show I watch on TV aimed at the youth, the 'cool' presenters have all adopted American accents. It implies that being South African isn't cool - that we have to change what we are to be accepted internationally. What must this do to the psyche of South African kids?
We have a serious lack of self-esteem because we are constantly exposed to expensive, technically flawless foreign media and we fail to see that economies of scale and marketing are behind the success of many mediocre foreign artists.
It's time we focused on what it means to be a South African musician in 2009. We are only ever going to have local stars to rival The Game if we can switch off foreign media and develop a proudly South African mindset. As the MTV MAMA Awards have shown, we let ourselves be treated as inferior artists in our own back yard!!
Once again, I salute Pro Kid on his stance and I hope a lot of other local artist openly adopt his revolutionary stance.
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Just to give you a little example of what I'm talking about. I was at Heineken Green Room party in Cape Town a few weeks back. On the bill was HHP, Gang of Instrumentals, Pro Kid and Stoan. Naturally, these guys were all warm-up acts for Sean Kingston.
Our local boys killed it. They had the place going crazy, especially when they all did a freestyle jam at the end of Pro Kid's set. One of the most memorable moments was when Pro Kid spat something along the lines, "...and we don't wear Sean John, 'cause Diddy don't understand our loxion kulcha" - the crowd went wild. Pro also had the whole place doing the dance that goes along with Nthini Ngo Pro.
Then Sean Kingston came on stage and gave a pathetic performance that consisted of him telling us how "special" Cape Town was (in the most insincere possible way) and doing a hard sell on his new album. People started dispersing from around the stage and wandering off to the bar.
I have no doubt that Sean Kingston was probably getting 10 or 20 times as much money as the local acts because he is a platinum-selling artist. However, it was not him that rocked the crowd.
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all you hand sausages answer this... why the f*** should you pay an artist that can't even sell 100k and you're giving them the opportuinuty (f*** spelling... i'm tired) to perform alongside the f***ing game... for free... the guy that sells 559,076 copies not 35 :-*
what happened to that "dumbest thing ever said" thread
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What the promoter should have done was to facilitate a collaborative performance with Sean Kingston and SA artists(just like how the SA artsits got together supporting each other). Then they ALL would have killed it together.
I personally LOVE sean john clothing. I have no qualms with Diddy(or any US artist), i have a problem with local promoters treating local artists like they are worthless.
I would like to share the stage with international artists, but I mustnt feel like there is division between us as performers.
I think the local artists at that particular event ralied together to protest because they were not being treated fairly as opposed to US acts. I love the fact that they did that. It shows that there was an imbalance which must be addressed.
Thanks for giving the example D. It's very eye opening.
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all you hand sausages answer this... why the f*** should you pay an artist that can't even sell 100k and you're giving them the opportuinuty (f*** spelling... i'm tired) to perform alongside the f***ing game... for free... the guy that sells 559,076 copies not 35 :-*
what happened to that "dumbest thing ever said" thread
Done...
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what's a 'hand sausage'?
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Its nice to see that we all agree on a common goal here!. About 6 months ago I had to mc an event at Carfax which I never got paid for. Now the promoter f***ed me over hectically and avoided my calls and what not! Yes it was a mere R500 that he owed me but the fact still remains I had to drive there and hang at that place till 2am, and honestly I did have better things to do on a friday. To date he still hasnt paid me and I havent let it go. I approached a music lawyer and he suggested I go to the small claims court which I did! A summons has been issued against this organiniser and he is liable for my legal cost (Around R3000). The point im trying to make is, I could have let this go, but that fact that I respect myself and take myself professionally means that I need to get paid Regardless of whether you had a crowd or not.
Its simple maths! You cant open a car dealership and tell the landlord that you haven't sold a car and therefore should not pay rent!
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^^^ good for you [props +1]
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Nice one Ex.
Its improtant that " If you dont respect me(the artist),then respect my rights(and my lawyer!)
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For as long as the media remains flooded with international music, the local acts will always be undermined........When Mcs from the state start to think of even making a mixtape, i swear you will hear that shit somewhere on TV or the news papers.........but when our own cats like Proverb try to put out a mixtape, you get to hear about it only on AG........its almost as if we as South Africans dont even like ourselves.......I was reading the Sowetan some days back and they had a story about Beyonce telling one journalist about how she was slapped by her mom in a music shop.......I mean really, is the SA music industry so boring that journalists have to tell the people useless stories like that.....
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This girl I work with just walked in all excited cos she saw Jayceon in Sandton City like 10 minutes ago.. She took a picture and got a hug... then she walks in and says to our (white) manager.. "I just saw the Game".. managers like...'what game?'... smh..
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That's cla**ic.
I think I'd respect Game a whole lot more if he went to Slaghuis or Party People or Carfax and did a show there.
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That's cla**ic.
I think I'd respect Game a whole lot more if he went to Slaghuis or Party People or Carfax and did a show there.
you can't really expect jayceon to be hanging out in the hood, c'mon now rob :)
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That's cla**ic.
I think I'd respect Game a whole lot more if he went to Slaghuis or Party People or Carfax and did a show there.
Truth. I would even go and try to grab his chain. Just to see how the Blood reacts.
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Jayceon Taylor,lol. I just walked past him a lil while ago rocking my G Unit hoody and sneakers. I really wanted to holler but i probably would have got a beatdown.
Whew, wierd moment.
Thought he was gonna jump out and scream G-Unot :D
Should have been in my Crackboy Tee and bandana. damn.
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That's cla**ic.
I think I'd respect Game a whole lot more if he went to Slaghuis or Party People or Carfax and did a show there.
you can't really expect jayceon to be hanging out in the hood, c'mon now rob :)
By the way, is the game blood or crips? Blood, i think?
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Caught him in Sandton this afternoon buying luggage! The had the store shut down! superstar style!
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He's neither and both. You know how it is with these studio gangsters.
He's a Crud (cripping Blood)
Even his brother said that he was never really blood.
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He's neither and both. You know how it is with these studio gangsters.
He's a Crud (cripping Blood)
Even his brother said that he was never really blood.
lol
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wasn't there a rumour that he used to be a male stripper?
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rumour or not... I dont think I'd like to know the answer to that..
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wasn't there a rumour that he used to be a male stripper?
I think Fiddy started that rumour :)
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Well eversince I heard that I haven't quite been convinced by his gangster! cats who convince me are Yung Buck and Sticky Fingaz from onyx!
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The show was real dope last night. Game is definitely a nutter.
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Game is definitely a nutter.
He nutted on the crowd??!!
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The show was real dope last night. Game is definitely a nutter.
Come on Lez,,, give us more than that! :)
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The show was real dope last night. Game is definitely a nutter.
GAME BOY!!!!!!!!! l'il kid had everyone in awe!!
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did he perform put you on the game? that track is riddick!!
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Update please!!
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Firstly, allow to take my hat off to the South African performers, Jozi, HHP and The Parlotones (sp) in particular. They tore it up and made everyone in the Arena proud. Jozi came out with all guns blazing and nearly stole the show from Game. To be honest, I was just excited to see The Game and was rapping along to all the joints. He is more of a rapper than a performer though (nothing wrong with this I guess). He did tracks from all three albums but as you can imagine he perfomed more joints from L.A.X. This show had everything though. Two dudes were fighting in the crowd and Game started yelling 'fight fight fight'. Another dude got his a** kicked (literaly) out of the Arena for throwing a beer can at Game. The show went on everyone was happy. There were two highlights. The first one was when Game called over 20 from the crowd to join him on stage while he performed. He even cussed at security guards trying to block people from coming on stage. The second was when he spotted a kid (8-10yrs old or so) in the crowd rapping to his music. He called the boy up and asked him to rap Dope Boys, the full length song on his own! This kid did it and brought the house down! In disbelief, Game asked his dj to cue Big Dreams for the kid rap again. The kid recited Game's song again... The whole thing! The crowd was going beserk at this point! The kid did 'How We Do' on his own to close off the show. Game then gave this kid a chain, $500 and a name. This boy is now know as Game Boy. Saw the kid after the show with his brothers walking to their car. He was ice cool while his brothers were the ones in shock. What a night!
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Please pardon the awful typos. Am just excited.
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sounds like a dope show....
imma pack up and head for jozi....very soon
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The second was when he spotted a kid (8-10yrs old or so) in the crowd rapping to his music. He called the boy up and asked him to rap Dope Boys, the full length song on his own! This kid did it and brought the house down! In disbelief, Game asked his dj to cue Big Dreams for the kid rap again. The kid recited Game's song again... The whole thing! The crowd was going beserk at this point! The kid did 'How We Do' on his own to close off the show. Game then gave this kid a chain, $500 and a name. This boy is now know as Game Boy. Saw the kid after the show with his brothers walking to their car. He was ice cool while his brothers were the ones in shock. What a night!
Hahaha,,, that is tooo nice man! :)
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sounds like it was dope!!! are you gonna write a piece for the next edition of Hype on this ?
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I think it was more than just a rumour, there were pics even and some mags also referred to his past as a stripper.
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Nice.Sounds like it was dope.
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It was dope yall. Game told the crowd that he wasn't going to release anymore albums after LAX. Says he doesn't like the new stuff thats coming out. He was like 'this dancing stuff is not for me. I'm not with that'. The crowd showed him love for those remarks. He even had a moment for our dearly departed Mariam Makeba. 'Turn the lights off yo. Let me see your cellphones in the air for mama'. You know Jayceon though, at some point he a**ured the crowd that he was not like any of these rappers that are dominating the media. Called himself a 'real dude'
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It was dope yall. Game told the crowd that he wasn't going to release anymore albums after LAX. Says he doesn't like the new stuff thats coming out. He was like 'this dancing stuff is not for me. I'm not with that'. The crowd showed him love for those remarks. He even had a moment for our dearly departed Mariam Makeba. 'Turn the lights off yo. Let me see your cellphones in the air for mama'. You know Jayceon though, at some point he a**ured the crowd that he was not like any of these rappers that are dominating the media. Called himself a 'real dude'
Damn,,, he worked that bitch like a pro!
Does this mean that he's got beef with Jozi? (that 'dancing stuff') :)
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Sounds like a rad evening. Surprisingly so. That bit about the kid is...gangsta. ;D Game Boy. Wow.
I got to see GZA in Camden last night doing Liquid Swords, so looks like shit was popping off in SA and UK. Rock and roll.
Thanks for the breakdown Lez.
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@Dpleezy. Hahaha, come on man, Jozi were entertaining last night. Da LES applied himself as well. But wait... There was someone who seemed unhappy... HHP.
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That's cla**ic.
I think I'd respect Game a whole lot more if he went to Slaghuis or Party People or Carfax and did a show there.
@Rob
This has got to be the stupid's thing you have ever said! where that thread at?
Honestly dude will you respect me more if i go hood shows instead of entertaining people who actually pay to see me?
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@Dpleezy. Hahaha, come on man, Jozi were entertaining last night. Da LES applied himself as well. But wait... There was someone who seemed unhappy... HHP.
Might be a good career move for Jozi to start beef with The Game ;D
Our dancing rappers are the only people that make money out here. Maybe The Game should have done his research better. Or was the positive crowd reaction to his statement about not feeling the dancing stuff an indication that people would prefer more actual rappers?
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Sounds like it was a dope event. Do they ever press DVD's of local performances? Would be nice to check it out...
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Oh, did I mention that Jayceon downed a whole bottle of Vodka on stage?
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Oh, did I mention that Jayceon downed a whole bottle of Vodka on stage?
Just when it sounded like he actually gave a good show he had to go and insult people's intelligence. ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Oh, did I mention that Jayceon downed a whole bottle of Vodka on stage?
Just when it sounded like he actually gave a good show he had to go and insult people's intelligence. ::) ::) ::) ::)
You deserve a smack in the face for that
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@Blakles
Please please please Dude just write up a long a** paragraph about this event and tell all in one go instead of posting things every 5minutes! Thanks dude
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Oh, did I mention that Jayceon downed a whole bottle of Vodka on stage?
Just when it sounded like he actually gave a good show he had to go and insult people's intelligence. ::) ::) ::) ::)
You deserve a smack in the face for that
Why? Do you actually believe that it is possible for a human being to drink 750 ml of anything with a 43% alcohol content undiluted and not puke his intestines out or end up in hospital due to alcohol poisoning? And then still continue entertaining the crowd?
If you do, you must be one of the people the trick was aimed at and then it was not an insult to your intelligence at all.
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That's cla**ic.
I think I'd respect Game a whole lot more if he went to Slaghuis or Party People or Carfax and did a show there.
@Rob
This has got to be the stupid's thing you have ever said! where that thread at?
Honestly dude will you respect me more if i go hood shows instead of entertaining people who actually pay to see me?
Sigh.
No.
Perhaps you missed my point. Wouldn't it be great if Game came out to some slightly smaller shows with more live-a** crowds? I just think it would be fun to have someone like him come out and show some love to the hard-working, rowdy as hell cats who put on crazy shows around the country.
SUre, he doesn't have to. But it would give me a lot more respect for him.
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Yeah, I thought it was water myself.
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Oh, did I mention that Jayceon downed a whole bottle of Vodka on stage?
Just when it sounded like he actually gave a good show he had to go and insult people's intelligence. ::) ::) ::) ::)
You deserve a smack in the face for that
Why? Do you actually believe that it is possible for a human being to drink 750 ml of anything with a 43% alcohol content undiluted and not puke his intestines out or end up in hospital due to alcohol poisoning? And then still continue entertaining the crowd?
If you do, you must be one of the people the trick was aimed at and then it was not an insult to your intelligence at all.
@Pyro, check the highlated part of the post, you jumped infront of a stray PUNK anyway thanx for the insult!
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Oh, did I mention that Jayceon downed a whole bottle of Vodka on stage?
Just when it sounded like he actually gave a good show he had to go and insult people's intelligence. ::) ::) ::) ::)
You deserve a smack in the face for that
Why? Do you actually believe that it is possible for a human being to drink 750 ml of anything with a 43% alcohol content undiluted and not puke his intestines out or end up in hospital due to alcohol poisoning? And then still continue entertaining the crowd?
If you do, you must be one of the people the trick was aimed at and then it was not an insult to your intelligence at all.
@Pyro, check the highlated part of the post, you jumped infront of a stray PUNK anyway thanx for the insult!
E-Thug alert. Batten the hatches.
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Oh, did I mention that Jayceon downed a whole bottle of Vodka on stage?
Just when it sounded like he actually gave a good show he had to go and insult people's intelligence. ::) ::) ::) ::)
You deserve a smack in the face for that
Why? Do you actually believe that it is possible for a human being to drink 750 ml of anything with a 43% alcohol content undiluted and not puke his intestines out or end up in hospital due to alcohol poisoning? And then still continue entertaining the crowd?
If you do, you must be one of the people the trick was aimed at and then it was not an insult to your intelligence at all.
@Pyro, check the highlated part of the post, you jumped infront of a stray PUNK anyway thanx for the insult!
Oh, sorry, I thought it was directed at me.
I can't believe these dudes do that shit. I remember Banks and them also used to pretend to down whole bottles of Hennessey (apple juice) on stage.
Do they think we're retarded? I would like to actually tie one up and pour a bottle of cognac down their throats to see what happens.
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Here's a 9 minute link of the concert and that young boy Blacklez was talking about!!!
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhqyO4DUqIquTU9s43
Damn this lil Nucca stole the show!!!
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Here's a 9 minute link of the concert and that young boy Blacklez was talking about!!!
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhqyO4DUqIquTU9s43
Damn this lil Nucca stole the show!!!
cla**ic. I wonder if it was a set-up?
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i doubt it... the li'l kid had everyone in the arena shocked... had my mouth open like whoooaaa!!! and when they all put they chains on him i was like where the damn camera. trully memorable for me. im sure even more so for the kid. pocketing $500 and a chain.
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He's neither and both. You know how it is with these studio gangsters.
He's a Crud (cripping Blood)
Even his brother said that he was never really blood.
You crazy son.