Post by: RuSh on June 24, 2004, 04:47:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 24, 2004, 04:58:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 24, 2004, 04:59:00 PM
who would want to believe in that kind of thing?
Post by: Anonymous on June 24, 2004, 05:02:00 PM
anyway, seeing as the whole world worships the free market, who would still be implementing communism?
plus communism sucks.
and Cyril is living too much of a good life to give a damn about the poor.
ever read Animal Farm
"The animals looked from pig to man and from man to pig and from pig to man again and realised they could no longer tell the difference"
Post by: Anonymous on June 24, 2004, 07:09:00 PM
im saying that we should take the best of both worlds. the sense that all are created equal is rightly communist. in that sense communism is not flawed. but some guys went overboard, like stalin, who managed to kill more people than dear hitler. in that sense communism is flawed.
but who´s to say the socialism and capitalism are also majorly flawed. this doesnt mean they dead.
comunism is not dead. capitalism is not dead. socialism is not dead. NAZISM AND FASCISM ARE NOT DEAD although some like to think we live in a perfect capitalist world, thats not the case. capitalism is just a good liar and cover-up.
to the cat that posted just above me;
ANC has a merger with the SA communist party. the past leader of it was our dear chris hani.
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Communism caused some dreadful conditions in Russia and over 100 million people died at Lenin and Stalins command. |
thats not entirely true:
Stalin killed people, lenin did not. stalin killed lenin and trotsky himself.
where did you get a figure like 100 million from? its way more than that man.
peace love and respect
Lazy Sam
Post by: Anonymous on June 24, 2004, 07:10:00 PM
im saying that we should take the best of both worlds. the sense that all are created equal is rightly communist. in that sense communism is not flawed. but some guys went overboard, like stalin, who managed to kill more people than dear hitler. in that sense communism is flawed.
but who´s to say the socialism and capitalism are also majorly flawed. this doesnt mean they dead.
comunism is not dead. capitalism is not dead. socialism is not dead. NAZISM AND FASCISM ARE NOT DEAD although some like to think we live in a perfect capitalist world, thats not the case. capitalism is just a good liar and cover-up.
to the cat that posted just above me;
ANC has a merger with the SA communist party. the past leader of it was our dear chris hani.
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Communism caused some dreadful conditions in Russia and over 100 million people died at Lenin and Stalins command. |
thats not entirely true:
Stalin killed people, lenin did not. stalin killed lenin and trotsky himself.
where did you get a figure like 100 million from? its way more than that man.
peace love and respect
Lazy Sam
Post by: Anonymous on June 24, 2004, 08:01:00 PM
Stalin was the no. 1 madman.
but they were all the same.
problem with Communism as with Fascism is that it removed the idea of God, it hated the idea of God and and worshipped the State and the Man. Both things are actually historically very similar even though they seem ideologically different. Communism employed Fascist terror and Fascism worshipped the State like Communism.
ANYWAY, im jus glad i aint white aint european and didnt cause nor live through that crap.
Post by: MentalGymnast on June 24, 2004, 08:57:00 PM
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is that a consiparicy theory young Sam?
If the bolshevik revolution- was wrong then we cannot have an argument on the pros and cons of Communism
if the bolshevik revolution was wrong- then Mandela\Tambo\Hani\Slovo\Sisulu\Mbeki are a murderers for establishing our revolution
if the bolshevik revolution was wrong- then every single revolution preceeding and proceeding it was wrong.
If you are a South Arican or an African for that matter, you have nothing to be happy about, you are product of the continent that suffered the slave trade, colonialism, genocide apartheid... etc(add your choice of the history of the last 400 years- its their history anyway)
the problem with capitalism is it is not honest, it uses god to mask its worship of MONEY
if you need to worship anything let it be the people (you call it the state) and Man rather than PROFIT MARGINS
Communism is alive and well
Post by: Anonymous on June 24, 2004, 09:24:00 PM
the fact that stalin had lenin and trotsky is no secret. trotsky was a**a**inated in mexico by stalins henchmen.
word though.
Communism is living, although flawed
lazy sam
Post by: Anonymous on June 24, 2004, 09:40:00 PM
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woaw. stop the f***in train. so all white europeans are communists and fascists? please man. its unfortunately not that simple. im white and swedish man, so im an aryan supremist fuker now, right? f***in stereotyping.
look at africa man. cats are probably gonna shit on me now, but in rwanda and burundi, who was killing? the black man was killing his own bretheren for shit´s sake.
look at dudes like mabuto sesetseko. or savimbi.
see the light man
the swedish
Post by: MentalGymnast on June 24, 2004, 10:50:00 PM
I was meaning the other dude who say´s Lenin is a murderer for leading the Bolshevik revolution (therefore Mandels, Hani .etc for ours)
funny how anti-communists are always the idiots of society.
Ithink its more peoples implementation and interpretation (or lack thereof) of communsim that makes it seem flawed
its odd how people view communism as having failed because of the Soviet Union, but when you take into account the number of democracies that have failed, it seems unfair to judge an ideology on a single nation. Especially unfair when we elevate capitalist democracy as the only system worth its weight in beans despite the numerous failed democracies all around the world (although most failed democracies have been a result of a western democratic country sponsored coup!)
word bua kommunisi
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Post by: Anonymous on June 24, 2004, 11:35:00 PM
vi är kommunister.
alla elskar sverige
lazy sam
Post by: eef_haf on June 28, 2004, 12:53:00 AM
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We can argue whether it was right or wrong but we all have to agree it had disastrous effects which the affected countries are still trying to recover from. Any communist who refuses to acknowledge the failures of this system, or rather its implementation must be seen to have sinister intentions.
Stalin might have considered killing millions of Russian people, 20th century slave labor and concentration camps just as "a statistic" but imagine a whole country´s population(such as our dear South Africa) wiped out just to force a political system to work. The people you have mentioned Govan Mbeki(RIP), Hani(RIP) & Slovo(RIP) might have been communist and revolutionary like the Reds but they were prepared to compromise and find ways to make the system work for the ordinary South Africa.
This approach has obviously has not been totally successful. Most South Africans are still in poverty, lack of health care, lack of education etc. Although crime and AIDS are killing the population, South Africa still enjoys "stability" only found in a few African countries (AS AFRICANS WE SHOULD ALL BE AIMING HIGHER THAN THIS!).
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With the few 10 years of "democracy" that I have experienced, man I aint complaining. I agree that combined with the system of free trade that is Capitalism it is full of corruption, exploitation and so on. But we have seen that Communism is also capable of this AND even worse. I am not sure how well Communism is doing but Capitalism is alive and well!
So what is the unique solution for Africa given years of exploitation and so on? I dont know but rationally discussing our challenges on platforms like this is certainly a good start!
Curious to find out what everybody else thinks?
ps. The worst ex-Communist I have ever seen must be Mac Maharaj?!