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Hip Hop Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: Headwarmaz on February 04, 2009, 12:57:29 PM
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Yo wa**up Ag peops.
After speaking to a few people about the elections coming up soon, I've realised that they hype that we hoped would reach a feverish pitch is no where to be seen. At best the die hard political ma**es from 1994 are still to be found gathered in town halls having meetings that are not looking toward the next election, but fuelled by anger and complaints at the current situation.
And according to surveys the youth of South Africa have not taken many notes from the USA youth. Registrations stats reveal that a large percentage of the youth have not registered yet.
My question is this...
For the people who have decided that they will not be voting for the next South African elections, do you have concrete reasons for doing so?
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i imagine they feel that there's no one they support. . .and for those belonging to the middle cla** theres even more reason to pa** up the vote: its more than likely that life will continue as is despite whoever the ballot favours.
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Most of them wanted to vote for the ruling party but becos of all the drama that has happened....they dont wanna be part of the ma**es who are gonna put the shower man in power...they dont wanna be blamed for it...if he cant cope...
so they rather let other people/grown ups do it....most of them are on some: "i didnt vote in the previous elections, so the absence of my vote wont make any difference"...
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Most of them wanted to vote for the ruling party but becos of all the drama that has happened....they dont wanna be part of the ma**es who are gonna put the shower man in power...they dont wanna be blamed for it...if he cant cope...
most of them are on some: "i didnt vote in the previous elections, so the absence of my vote wont make any difference"...
methinks spoiling ur ballot to show ur lack of faith in any of em peeps running is more profound than merely not turning up..
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Most of them wanted to vote for the ruling party but becos of all the drama that has happened....they dont wanna be part of the ma**es who are gonna put the shower man in power...they dont wanna be blamed for it...if he cant cope...
most of them are on some: "i didnt vote in the previous elections, so the absence of my vote wont make any difference"...
methinks spoiling ur ballot to show ur lack of faith in any of em peeps running is more profound than merely not turning up..
co-sign
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Methinks standing in line for hours just to f*** up a ballot that none of them are gonna see any way is a waste of time which could be better applied at some other subversive activities.
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Methinks standing in line for hours just to f*** up a ballot that none of them are gonna see any way is a waste of time which could be better applied at some other subversive activities.
quite the contrary.. IEC publishes the # of spoilt ballots..
& if there's a surge during this election as opposed to the one's prior..
them politicians will have to take note.. imagine if there were more spoilt ballots than votes for the IFP say..
or the ANC lost its two- thirds majority & the difference in tally can be attributed to spoilt votes..
liberating as ur wanking may be to u..
subversive it is not to others
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liberating as ur wanking may be to u..
subversive it is not to others
First off, go f*** yourself. Okay, now that we have cleared that up.
I think it doesn't make a difference whether you are an absentee or a ballot spoiler, unless of course your ballot gets special mention for having a death threat to Zuma and a shitstain on it. Rather register and then arrange a ma** boycott of the polls or something like that, in order to make your unhappiness known. Arrange a big party for people who don't feel happy with the state of affairs and would rather not vote for any of the a**holes on offer. arrange for media coverage of the event and let your voices be heard.
That way you get spared the discomfort of having to stand in the sun waiting just to spoil your ballot and you get to have fun and I bet you get more exposure that way.
Then they can use the info from registered absent voters to tally the number of lost votes as you explained.
I feel that participation in the farce they call democratic elections, in any way is an endorsement of that farce.
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smh @ all this ballot spoiling...
aren't spoilt ballots more of a sign of lack of knowledge regarding elections/casting votes rather than unwillingness to vote for any party...?
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smh @ all this ballot spoiling...
aren't spoilt ballots more of a sign of lack of knowledge regarding elections/casting votes rather than unwillingness to vote for any party...?
I also think that they wont know if it spoilt as a result of incompetence or disgruntlement.
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liberating as ur wanking may be to u..
subversive it is not to others
First off, go f*** yourself. Okay, now that we have cleared that up.
I think it doesn't make a difference whether you are an absentee or a ballot spoiler, unless of course your ballot gets special mention for having a death threat to Zuma and a shitstain on it. Rather register and then arrange a ma** boycott of the polls or something like that, in order to make your unhappiness known. Arrange a big party for people who don't feel happy with the state of affairs and would rather not vote for any of the a**holes on offer. arrange for media coverage of the event and let your voices be heard.
That way you get spared the discomfort of having to stand in the sun waiting just to spoil your ballot and you get to have fun and I bet you get more exposure that way.
Then they can use the info from registered absent voters to tally the number of lost votes as you explained.
I feel that participation in the farce they call democratic elections, in any way is an endorsement of that farce.
remember what happened with Desmond Dube's million-man march ??? organising parties and boycotts takes time and money and u still not guaranteed the ones running their mouths in support will show up.
a spoilt vote is still better that a none-vote because it will be counted (as Afterbirth explained). The numbers never lie. I mean if im gonna stand in the sun to vote for COPE/ANC/DA or whoever to screw me over the minute they have my vote. i would rather queue up and have it spoilt, cause at least I voted and got the ppl who always go "ppl died for ur right to vote" off my back
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I really don't care about those people. They can nag all they want and like I said, it will be counted for what? So they can say that people were too ignorant to vote properly that's why they lost?
Dube's thing didn't work, but do you think people will say no to a ma**ive party where they can simultaneously get drunk and tell the "leaders" to go f*** themselves?
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I really don't care about those people. They can nag all they want and like I said, it will be counted for what? So they can say that people were too ignorant to vote properly that's why they lost?
Dube's thing didn't work, but do you think people will say no to a ma**ive party where they can simultaneously get drunk and tell the "leaders" to go f*** themselves?
you will be suprised what people will say no to come election time.
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smh @ all this ballot spoiling...
aren't spoilt ballots more of a sign of lack of knowledge regarding elections/casting votes rather than unwillingness to vote for any party...?
I also think that they wont know if it spoilt as a result of incompetence or disgruntlement.
Yes but not pitching up at all could a sign of lazyness and possibly carelessness. However, if you show that not only did you make the effort of registering and going to the polls it shows that YOU CARE it's just that there's no one there deserving of your vote. I agree with Afterbirth on this one.
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smh @ all this ballot spoiling...
aren't spoilt ballots more of a sign of lack of knowledge regarding elections/casting votes rather than unwillingness to vote for any party...?
I also think that they wont know if it spoilt as a result of incompetence or disgruntlement.
... unless you spoil it by writing, 'f*** YOUR VOTING, I'M GOING TO PISS ON ITS BALLS'
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smh @ all this ballot spoiling...
aren't spoilt ballots more of a sign of lack of knowledge regarding elections/casting votes rather than unwillingness to vote for any party...?
I also think that they wont know if it spoilt as a result of incompetence or disgruntlement.
Yes but not pitching up at all could a sign of lazyness and possibly carelessness. However, if you show that not only did you make the effort of registering and going to the polls it shows that YOU CARE it's just that there's no one there deserving of your vote. I agree with Afterbirth on this one.
well im registering this weekend. will decide whether to vote or not.
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...as far as where I'm from and the peeps i interact with, 'guess the panic! said it all...
...to the middle cla** theres even more reason to pa** up the vote: its more than likely that life will continue as is despite whoever the ballot favours.
*But I, for one, am registered and will be voting...as I have pledged my undying allegiance to the rulin...I mean...ummm certain party. ;)
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This is what will go down after the elections. Anc will win obviously except the EC and WP.Cope and Udm will share the seats in The EC. DA and ID will fight it out in the Western Cape.
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Oh by the way in KZN if INKATHA supporters suspect you are an Anc supporter theyll definately jump you or even kill you.
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liberating as ur wanking may be to u..
subversive it is not to others
First off, go f*** yourself. Okay, now that we have cleared that up.
I think it doesn't make a difference whether you are an absentee or a ballot spoiler, unless of course your ballot gets special mention for having a death threat to Zuma and a shitstain on it. Rather register and then arrange a ma** boycott of the polls or something like that, in order to make your unhappiness known. Arrange a big party for people who don't feel happy with the state of affairs and would rather not vote for any of the a**holes on offer. arrange for media coverage of the event and let your voices be heard.
That way you get spared the discomfort of having to stand in the sun waiting just to spoil your ballot and you get to have fun and I bet you get more exposure that way.
Then they can use the info from registered absent voters to tally the number of lost votes as you explained.
I feel that participation in the farce they call democratic elections, in any way is an endorsement of that farce.
towards the end of last year there was a big gathering of activists/leftist in JHB about this. It remains to be seen if it would have any effect.
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I think the best idea would be to hold protests outside the polling stations to show that although you didn't register you still have a say about the current situation. otherwise you are no better than the apathetic fool who can only sit and complain when he has taken no steps to change the situation or at least take part in something small that would also change the situation.
if you do not vote you cannot be first in the line when it comes to complaining. show some initiative and some back bone.
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If I'm not mistaken, you're not allowed to protest near polling stations. Its seen as an act of terror.
Not sure if it was only for the 94 elections or if the law still stands.
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smh @ all this ballot spoiling...
aren't spoilt ballots more of a sign of lack of knowledge regarding elections/casting votes rather than unwillingness to vote for any party...?
I also think that they wont know if it spoilt as a result of incompetence or disgruntlement.
... unless you spoil it by writing, 'f*** YOUR VOTING, I'M GOING TO PISS ON ITS BALLS'
;D good idea d
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My personal views
Firstly there the Anc who have a cloud over there leader with the corruption charges, I cant make up my mind cause some say his guilty others came he is innocent! if he is guilty then take it to court and lets resolve it now and not when the elections are coming up! Also the anc acted in a very sour way toward the COPE being formed and labelled them "THE black DA"
Then theres the COPE who i thought would be good to vote for until they brought in Alan Busak the same dude that was fired by the anc for corruption charges and shit (theres no way Im voting for them now)
Then there the DA who since Tony leon left have done nothing for me or JHb in general! they all after Cape Town and ruling there hoping they can get more votes but up here in JHb they are nowhere to be seen.
Voting is like buying into a business you pick the one you know will give you a return on investment! and lately they are all offering nothing! None of them talk about cutting the petrol bringing down the cost of living! its the same shit year in year out! We promise JOBS.......Houses....Free Education........Free Health.... okay its all free but not if your a tax payer! Each year tax payers pay for a corrupt official who is put on extended leave or needs legal fees........
Unless these parties wake up Im voting for myself.
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It is a sad situation when a democratic people are stripped of hope, which is one of the only driving forces behind a progressive and stable society. The hopelessness has now evolved into it's ultimate form, apathy.
Just because some of us are living comfortably, we do not give a second thought to trying to change the situation in order to alleviate the harsh conditions for those who aren't as fortunate.
But i'm almost sure if you had a little less cash in your pocket and a little less food in your stomach, you would be the first to want change now!!!!!
I have a feeling that we will face a similar situation to Kenya after our election. Because there is an anger-fuelled desparation lurking beneath all the confusion. A civil war is coming!
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It is a sad situation when a democratic people are stripped of hope, which is one of the only driving forces behind a progressive and stable society. The hopelessness has now evolved into it's ultimate form, apathy.
Just because some of us are living comfortably, we do not give a second thought to trying to change the situation in order to alleviate the harsh conditions for those who aren't as fortunate.
But i'm almost sure if you had a little less cash in your pocket and a little less food in your stomach, you would be the first to want change now!!!!!
I have a feeling that we will face a similar situation to Kenya after our election. Because there is an anger-fuelled desparation lurking beneath all the confusion. A civil war is coming!
Don't mistake my feelings and insistence on abstaining from the vote as apathy. I do a lot of things on community level, which I don't feel the need to shout out to the whole world, because then it would be like I am doing it only for the glory, kinda like a politician. No one needs to know what I do, just doing it and feeling good about myself is enough for me.
I just feel that there is nothing to be gained by voting whatsoever. I have lost all hope, true, but that was when I was about twelve and I lost hope in humanity altogether. We are such a pathetic bunch that we would rather persist in letting people, who have shown time and again that they are unfit to govern, keep f***ing us, instead of demanding some service.
We would rather go vote and then sit back and act as if we did our part and wait for another five years, instead of engaging in ma** civil disobedience and telling them that we won't stand for this shit.
This is one of the reasons I am so proud of the Greek and French anarchist movements. they make me feel that there is still some hope, by dumping the country into complete chaos as soon as they feel that they are being f***ed.
Over here we have the pathetic excuse for an anarchist movement called Zabalaza, which is so desperate to be accepted that they rename themselves the Zabalaza anarchist-communist movement in an attempt to acquire some form of recognition, while missing the point that anarchy and communism, though similar are basically irreconcilable. I wonder if this is an attempt to cosy up to the SACP and maybe also get in on the big bucks, while pretending you are doing it for the people.
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So what is your point regarding the irrelevant and bullshit soccer comment in an election thread.
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So what is your point regarding the irrelevant and bullshit soccer comment in an election thread.
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So what is your point regarding the irrelevant and bullshit soccer comment in an election thread.
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I believe it was directed at Motho, she posted something bout someone saying Orlando Pirates supporters shudn't vote...but she deleted it becos of New Jack's comment... ;D