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Hip Hop Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: the panic! on August 31, 2009, 03:35:19 PM
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with all this talk of local hip hop having reached a kind of cul de sac, i figured i would put this up just to see where everyone's at?
so how do you feel?
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Actually it's yes and No.
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Any1 mind ellaborating what we lukin'@ here? Cnt C cz of using phone.
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mmmmm.....dont really give a f*** as i know a few cats like pro, verb, amu, jozi just a few
and them other dudes, i dunno, oh i also know this other cat, reason or somethin, came through to forte last semester to host some hip hop show, he was murked by some campus dude, craze stuff
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with all this talk of local hip hop having reached a kind of cul de sac, i figured i would put this up just to see where everyone's at?
so how do you feel?
I've been away. From where I'm standing I'm checking one way streets and crowded high ways but not dead ends. Not sure what aspects psertainin to SA hip hop you refering to so imma speak in general.
I've been into this hiphop shyt for a while and every year it surprises me. I feel we are approaching dawn, but so darn slowly. Like that baby who takes a while to learn to walk.
I think the foundation of our hiphop is really strong but like we are falling behind on building a pad that will sustain the harsh elements of an unpredicatable industry.
I see a lot of people hustling and getting places. Independent projects, virtual hookups and people pushing their shyt to a seemingly growing market. There are women at hiphop gigs these days, not just same old Lu and nat at the sausage fest. It's refreshing.
I think our guys need to focus on the entertainment factor. I've seen a lot of hiphop bands perform, The Roots, QTip what have you and they PUT ON a SHOW!
You get your money's worth.
With most cats here I find you might as well be in your car or your room bumping it coz ain't no difference. R U there? Yes: but where are you dawg? Where's the performance?
Cats like The Anvils with their props, dancers and freestyles, T and V with the live band, Reason with crowd participation, bands like these and many others give me hope.
There's your HYPE, your indi record labels, your clothing brands (wa**up butan!), your radio shows. This shyt is ours, we can shape this movement and own it.
There also a lot of killer collaborations between the different elements, Hamma (Super DJ)and Zubz (Inspirational MC). Remember how Mr Fat used to have bboys live on stage as he performed, that's the kind of dirction we should be taking I reckon. It's such a small movement, we need to help eachother if we gonna grow and expand into markets with buying and gain confidence of majors and mainstream media but some people wanna beef.
As if Kingpin,Tupac and Biggie died for nothing. Who knows about what went down with Raiko on friday niht? Care to elaborate?
I wish I had stayed long enough to see Poverb perform last Friday at Zula. Still ain't seen him. How was was it?
On the whole, I feel it's growing, it's been coming, we sitting on the cusp.
Is it feasible? Is South Africa ready for it? Can you define it, does it have an identity? Do people care?
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with all this talk of local hip hop having reached a kind of cul de sac, i figured i would put this up just to see where everyone's at?
so how do you feel?
I've been away. From where I'm standing I'm checking one way streets and crowded high ways but not dead ends. Not sure what aspects psertainin to SA hip hop you refering to so imma speak in general.
I've been into this hiphop shyt for a while and every year it surprises me. I feel we are approaching dawn, but so darn slowly. Like that baby who takes a while to learn to walk.
I think the foundation of our hiphop is really strong but like we are falling behind on building a pad that will sustain the harsh elements of an unpredicatable industry.
I see a lot of people hustling and getting places. Independent projects, virtual hookups and people pushing their shyt to a seemingly growing market. There are women at hiphop gigs these days, not just same old Lu and nat at the sausage fest. It's refreshing.
I think our guys need to focus on the entertainment factor. I've seen a lot of hiphop bands perform, The Roots, QTip what have you and they PUT ON a SHOW!
You get your money's worth.
With most cats here I find you might as well be in your car or your room bumping it coz ain't no difference. R U there? Yes: but where are you dawg? Where's the performance?
Cats like The Anvils with their props, dancers and freestyles, T and V with the live band, Reason with crowd participation, bands like these and many others give me hope.
There's your HYPE, your indi record labels, your clothing brands (wa**up butan!), your radio shows. This shyt is ours, we can shape this movement and own it.
There also a lot of killer collaborations between the different elements, Hamma (Super DJ)and Zubz (Inspirational MC). Remember how Mr Fat used to have bboys live on stage as he performed, that's the kind of dirction we should be taking I reckon. It's such a small movement, we need to help eachother if we gonna grow and expand into markets with buying and gain confidence of majors and mainstream media but some people wanna beef.
As if Kingpin,Tupac and Biggie died for nothing. Who knows about what went down with Raiko on friday niht? Care to elaborate?
I wish I had stayed long enough to see Poverb perform last Friday at Zula. Still ain't seen him. How was was it?
On the whole, I feel it's growing, it's been coming, we sitting on the cusp.
Is it feasible? Is South Africa ready for it? Can you define it, does it have an identity? Do people care?
nice , i feel you
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Who knows about what went down with Raiko on friday niht?
im also dying to know. I saw him being held back by some dudes as if he was in a fight or summin. but I was too far gone to be a credible eye witness
but i am curious yho!... :o
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Who knows about what went down with Raiko on friday niht? Care to elaborate?
I wish I had stayed long enough to see Poverb perform last Friday at Zula. Still ain't seen him. How was was it?
On the whole, I feel it's growing, it's been coming, we sitting on the cusp.
Is it feasible? Is South Africa ready for it? Can you define it, does it have an identity? Do people care?
Well, Proverb was mad dope actually, the level of crowd participation was amazing, and the way he connected with everyone was generally dope. As for Raiko, well, ya neh...rather not say ;)
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with all this talk of local hip hop having reached a kind of cul de sac, i figured i would put this up just to see where everyone's at?
so how do you feel?
I've been away. From where I'm standing I'm checking one way streets and crowded high ways but not dead ends. Not sure what aspects psertainin to SA hip hop you refering to so imma speak in general.
i was referring to the actual music - whether anything that you're hearing right now has you excited. but thank you for fleshing out. that was very informative and more interesting.
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I think the problem we have with SA Hip hop is that GOOD MUSIC aint accessible for instance i love that PTA sound but i only have a few songs that y'all leak on the web besides that, i dnt hav any album or mixtae from the cap city. and that goes for East Rand cats too.
I feel like canibus coz for the past couple of months shit has been real quiet coz i aint heard shit worth buying, i find myself walking into a music outlet and buying soul music n house music and not forgeting that in all o that hip hop is still my first preference.
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I feel like canibus coz for the past couple of months shit has been real quiet coz i aint heard shit worth buying, i find myself walking into a music outlet and buying soul music n house music and not forgeting that in all o that hip hop is still my first preference.
did you vote No?
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also, as an aside:
how old (average-wise) are the people making the SA hip hop you like?
how old (average-wise) are the people making the SA hip hop you hate?
how long do you think it will be until the second bunch overtake the first? will they overtake them? can nineties babies make dope, original music? or will this die with the first bunch, and what people could be seeing now is a curtain call?
Nat says: "I feel we are approaching dawn, but so darn slowly. Like that baby who takes a while to learn to walk" but we aren't getting any younger are we?
when will it be time for heads to pa** the torch?
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Who knows about what went down with Raiko on friday niht? Care to elaborate?
I wish I had stayed long enough to see Poverb perform last Friday at Zula. Still ain't seen him. How was was it?
On the whole, I feel it's growing, it's been coming, we sitting on the cusp.
Is it feasible? Is South Africa ready for it? Can you define it, does it have an identity? Do people care?
Well, Proverb was mad dope actually, the level of crowd participation was amazing, and the way he connected with everyone was generally dope. As for Raiko, well, ya neh...rather not say ;)
Please do share fam, I heard bits and pieces about what transpired but I'd really like to know what happened.
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also, as an aside:
how old (average-wise) are the people making the SA hip hop you like?
how old (average-wise) are the people making the SA hip hop you hate?
how long do you think it will be until the second bunch overtake the first? will they overtake them? can nineties babies make dope, original music? or will this die with the first bunch, and what people could be seeing now is a curtain call?
Nat says: "I feel we are approaching dawn, but so darn slowly. Like that baby who takes a while to learn to walk" but we aren't getting any younger are we?
when will it be time for heads to pa** the torch?
I don't think it's a matter of clinging onto a specific sound and thinking that only hiphop that sounds that way is the good shyt. I don't agree with adapt or die either more like evolve, elevate, become better at what you do.
You don't see The Roots pa**ing the torch coz souljah boy is more popular than them to a certain market.
What's that line by Murs, there's enough space for all of us to shine....I can't recall exactly word for word right now.
I like jozi tracks, I like Optical Ill shyt, I likke Zuluboy I like Amu tracks, I like J-One beats and kid is 16. There's no specific age range i narrow myself to.
Yes,most of those that are coming up don't give a phuck abt the history or substance and anything pre 99 is wack and think 50cent invented hiphop so phuck them bt we can't murder them all...
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Ill Skillz -Off The Radar
Thats all im gonna say
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In terms of music ,m more excited bout the cats on streets level..The ones droppin mixtapes,ep's n stuf..cats like smerf,l-tido,zakwe(damn This dude got sum ill rhyme Patterns),devious d,mothipa,hillz ,skye wanda,bantu education etc.bt they material is very inaccessible..age.?they al look 23-24 to me..as for pa**in the torch..nah.the current mainstream/older cats(HHP,slikour,Tumi,the Pro's etc) al workd hard to get where they at..earning the corporates' confidence,gettin major stations n retailers buyin into they shit..Let Them Enjoy The Fruits Of They Labour.the nu skul cats got 2 do the same..they cn start by Each buildin a strong nationwide fanbase.and i predict Driemanskap,AKA and Abdus wil soon b playin inda big league.
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Audio Visual is one of my all time favorite hip-hop crews, period!
Sheish waiting on an album is like watching wet paint dry! I think Tumi is hella nice, and I am generally excited about good music, Pioneer Unit are doing their thing, I been loving what has been coming out that staple, and the hymphatic thabs and gin-i grindith albums were dope too! The state of the art from where I stand looks very good! There are a lot of albums out there that are real hard to get, that I can't wait to hear! To the youngins' take note and learn from those that laid down the foundation, because they are raising brows and ringing bells with whoever gets exposed to them! Cats get blown away when I play it, just never let ignorance control your set! the conscious artists from Africa, share some of the most beautiful conscious minds in the world in my opinion! Just keep holding that down, the rest of the world is starting to take notice! Peace.
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maxnormal.tv/die antwoord is the only south african hip hop i like...
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GRAHAMSTOWN & Port Elizabeth EMCEES are by far the most HARD WORKING AND MOST TALENTED LYRICISTS IN THIS HERE COUNTRY.........................thats all ima say on this matter.....KEEP SLEEPING!.. catch a rude awakening! 8)
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What went down with raiko? Someone say someone say?
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What went down with raiko? Someone say someone say?
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I'm very excited about SA hip hop. Even though it's an industry in its infancy with very little money or corporate interest, there's nothing to be depressed about - the States went through the same thing many years ago. If cats just stay focused on their art, get their performance levels up, and slowly build up their fan bases, things will come together.
People have got to stop buying into all the media hype, worrying about who's selling what and who is more popular than who - that's all just a game. It's also a myth that making commercial music makes you more commercially viable. It's much more expensive and risky producing a pop artist than it is an 'underground' artist. It might take longer to establish an underground artist, but if they are good (and the business side is in place), the money is still there. I believe it's easier to sell 'good' music, than 'commercial' music (but that's just me).
Even the most underground and 'street' cats can be attractive to the corporate world if they package themselves properly. We are talking to a major international brand who is looking for some 'edgy street appeal' - one of the reasons they chose us is because we have artist management. They are sick of trying to work with artists who don't have cellphones or who turn up late (or don't turn up at all).
We have a lot of hip hop artists in SA that could cut it internationally. We just need to stop hating on ourselves because we're not making as much money as international counterparts.
I agree with Nats too - even if you're an underground artist (or you could say, especially if you're an underground artist), you need to put on an amazing show. The whole world has moved away from an MC standing on stage asking the sound man to play the next beat. That might satisfy heads in your hood, but it certainly will not cut it at a corporate level.
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Ill Skillz -Off The Radar
Thats all im gonna say
detective ndovela? WTF!!! LMAO!! next thing dudes is gonna change names to ridge forester or dumsani shabane and shit like that
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Ill Skillz -Off The Radar
Thats all im gonna say
detective ndovela? WTF!!! LMAO!! next thing dudes is gonna change names to ridge forester or dumsani shabane and shit like that
hahaha!
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detective ndovela is cla**ic!
reason i wach mtunzini.com... *coughs*
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as for pa**in the torch..nah.the current mainstream/older cats(HHP,slikour,Tumi,the Pro's etc) al workd hard to get where they at..earning the corporates' confidence,gettin major stations n retailers buyin into they shit..Let Them Enjoy The Fruits Of They Labour.
Nuff said dude ;)
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detective ndovela is cla**ic!
reason i wach mtunzini.com... *coughs*
lol
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detective ndovela is cla**ic!
reason i wach mtunzini.com... *coughs*
cosign, but i doubt the skills of the pro gramme's scrip writer. the dialouges dont connect and the people's gestures dont correspond to what they say.
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How can you not be excited about SA hip hop?!
Ben Sharpa and Raiko are about to do a 16 show tour of Europe including warming up for Raekwon at the German leg of the Only Built for Cuban Linx 2 World Tour. It doesn't get more exciting than that! It's not like Sharpa is warming up in his home town by default - Rae's team specifically selected him for a Euro show.
I could go on and on about the stuff we have coming up, but it would just be seen as blowing my own trumpet - I'm excited though, even if no one else is ;)
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How can you not be excited about SA hip hop?!
Ben Sharpa and Raiko are about to do a 16 show tour of Europe including warming up for Raekwon at the German leg of the Only Built for Cuban Linx 2 World Tour. It doesn't get more exciting than that! It's not like Sharpa is warming up in his home town by default - Rae's team specifically selected him for a Euro show.
I could go on and on about the stuff we have coming up, but it would just be seen as blowing my own trumpet - I'm excited though, even if no one else is ;)
this is too dope! how did they pick him out, yo?
all of this is really amazing, but honestly, i'd be more excited if i'd just heard we were about to hear a new album by the cat.
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as for pa**in the torch..nah.the current mainstream/older cats(HHP,slikour,Tumi,the Pro's etc) al workd hard to get where they at..earning the corporates' confidence,gettin major stations n retailers buyin into they shit..Let Them Enjoy The Fruits Of They Labour.
Nuff said dude ;)
i wasn't referring to those cats. they can keep what they have. i'm more interesting in younger cats getting in to do more original, 'underground' music. are they getting mentored? i'm interested in this because some of our most creative emcees came up in a time when creativity was still major currency in hip hop. now the climate has changed. i mean, can we ever see an Iapetus or something similarly daring from 90's babies? this is what i mean by pa**ing the torch. none of that mainstream shit.
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How can you not be excited about SA hip hop?!
Ben Sharpa and Raiko are about to do a 16 show tour of Europe including warming up for Raekwon at the German leg of the Only Built for Cuban Linx 2 World Tour. It doesn't get more exciting than that! It's not like Sharpa is warming up in his home town by default - Rae's team specifically selected him for a Euro show.
I could go on and on about the stuff we have coming up, but it would just be seen as blowing my own trumpet - I'm excited though, even if no one else is ;)
this is too dope! how did they pick him out, yo?
all of this is really amazing, but honestly, i'd be more excited if i'd just heard we were about to hear a new album by the cat.
Our artist manager is in contact with Raekwon's Euro tour manager. She played Ben's material to Rae and that was it.
Sharpa's album is only being released in Europe later this month so they're still catching up with us!
But... we've got 16 tracks for a new show for Sharpa called '4D' - it's basically an hour long audio visual performance concept featuring live audio production, DJ cuts and effects, a singer, a VJ and of course, Sharpa. It will be dope.
Sharpa is also featured on Chris 'Daddy' Dave's forthcoming mixtape (Chris Dave is Mos Def's drummer).
We've also started sourcing beats for Sharpa's next album - he has a concept and has started writing. That won't be out until 2010 though.
We do have lots of really nice material still to come out this year though. 2 albums from Jaak. An album from KONFAB, an album from Gin-i Grindith and Planetary a**ault 2.
We've also got amazing new videos for Camagu by Driemanskap and Streets by Rattex coming out in the next few weeks. We've been working with a new production company called Greenhouse who do amazing work - 10 levels up from anything we've done so far.
Anyway, apologies for all the self-promo - but these are definitely exciting times.
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whoa nelly!
ha ha. ait, i see you, i see you. that's really dope. exciting, indeed.
by the way is Greenhouse the same company that did that Ill Skillz video?
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whoa nelly!
ha ha. ait, i see you, i see you. that's really dope. exciting, indeed.
by the way is Greenhouse the same company that did that Ill Skillz video?
yep, that's them.
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I feel like canibus coz for the past couple of months shit has been real quiet coz i aint heard shit worth buying, i find myself walking into a music outlet and buying soul music n house music and not forgeting that in all o that hip hop is still my first preference.
did you vote No?
yep
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We've also started sourcing beats for Sharpa's next album - he has a concept and has started writing. That won't be out until 2010 though.
ok so how does on get it in? or is it by invite only?
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whoa nelly!
ha ha. ait, i see you, i see you. that's really dope. exciting, indeed.
by the way is Greenhouse the same company that did that Ill Skillz video?
yep, that's them.
That's Greenhaus productions. semantics... :)
Yeah excited to see the new videos checked out some behind the scenes pix on PU site , looking fresh.
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Our artist manager is in contact with Raekwon's Euro tour manager. She played Ben's material to Rae and that was it.
Sharpa's album is only being released in Europe later this month so they're still catching up with us!
But... we've got 16 tracks for a new show for Sharpa called '4D' - it's basically an hour long audio visual performance concept featuring live audio production, DJ cuts and effects, a singer, a VJ and of course, Sharpa. It will be dope.
Sharpa is also featured on Chris 'Daddy' Dave's forthcoming mixtape (Chris Dave is Mos Def's drummer).
We've also started sourcing beats for Sharpa's next album - he has a concept and has started writing. That won't be out until 2010 though.
We do have lots of really nice material still to come out this year though. 2 albums from Jaak. An album from KONFAB, an album from Gin-i Grindith and Planetary a**ault 2.
We've also got amazing new videos for Camagu by Driemanskap and Streets by Rattex coming out in the next few weeks. We've been working with a new production company called Greenhouse who do amazing work - 10 levels up from anything we've done so far.
Anyway, apologies for all the self-promo - but these are definitely exciting times.
Dude, if you don't blow your own horn, who the f*** will?
But as a sideline though, don't you feel that the other artists on your label feel sidelined sometimes? I mean, Sharpa's on his fourth or fifth mission to Europe now (I believe three of the bookings have been facilitated by P-Unit in conjunction with Jarring Fx...correct me if I'm wrong). What is being done with regards to Drie and Rah's promotion, apart from videos and the odd show here and there?
Please don't take it in a wrong way, I would just like to know ;)
By the way, has Gin-grimes signed with P-Unit?
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whoa nelly!
ha ha. ait, i see you, i see you. that's really dope. exciting, indeed.
by the way is Greenhouse the same company that did that Ill Skillz video?
yep, that's them.
That's Greenhaus productions. semantics... :)
Yeah excited to see the new videos checked out some behind the scenes pix on PU site , looking fresh.
Haha,, yeah, i just heard they'd changed their name :)
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yo, dpleezy, you making moves bra, i can feel the heat of this sharpa tour already, make sure you up a link to dowlaod the performances when its all good and done bro.
keep up!
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Our artist manager is in contact with Raekwon's Euro tour manager. She played Ben's material to Rae and that was it.
Sharpa's album is only being released in Europe later this month so they're still catching up with us!
But... we've got 16 tracks for a new show for Sharpa called '4D' - it's basically an hour long audio visual performance concept featuring live audio production, DJ cuts and effects, a singer, a VJ and of course, Sharpa. It will be dope.
Sharpa is also featured on Chris 'Daddy' Dave's forthcoming mixtape (Chris Dave is Mos Def's drummer).
We've also started sourcing beats for Sharpa's next album - he has a concept and has started writing. That won't be out until 2010 though.
We do have lots of really nice material still to come out this year though. 2 albums from Jaak. An album from KONFAB, an album from Gin-i Grindith and Planetary a**ault 2.
We've also got amazing new videos for Camagu by Driemanskap and Streets by Rattex coming out in the next few weeks. We've been working with a new production company called Greenhouse who do amazing work - 10 levels up from anything we've done so far.
Anyway, apologies for all the self-promo - but these are definitely exciting times.
Dude, if you don't blow your own horn, who the f*** will?
But as a sideline though, don't you feel that the other artists on your label feel sidelined sometimes? I mean, Sharpa's on his fourth or fifth mission to Europe now (I believe three of the bookings have been facilitated by P-Unit in conjunction with Jarring Fx...correct me if I'm wrong). What is being done with regards to Drie and Rah's promotion, apart from videos and the odd show here and there?
Please don't take it in a wrong way, I would just like to know ;)
By the way, has Gin-grimes signed with P-Unit?
It's Sharpa's 8th time to Europe, 6 of which were organised by us in conjunction with Jarring FX.
We definitely do not prioritise one artist above others. Building an artist's career is a long process. Ben was already fairly well-established as an underground artist before he signed to the Unit so he's got a bit of a headstart. The type of music he makes also means that he's got an established global (niche) market to plug into.
We definitely see everyone on the label having the potential for international shows but, especially for the spaza cats, the first priority is to raise their profiles in SA before we start looking overseas.
You can never do enough promotional work, but we're doing a lot behind the scenes to get everyone on the label more attention. I don't like to talk too much about things in the pipeline until they are confirmed, so yeah... ;)
We're working on a project with Gin-i, but again, I'm not gonna talk about it too much until nearer the time...
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yo, dpleezy, you making moves bra, i can feel the heat of this sharpa tour already, make sure you up a link to dowlaod the performances when its all good and done bro.
keep up!
Thanks Mad.
Ben and Raiko will uploading regular video diaries to the Vuzu.TV website. I'll post links nearer the time.
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Thank you for clarifying D, I appreciate ;)
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yo, dpleezy, you making moves bra, i can feel the heat of this sharpa tour already, make sure you up a link to dowlaod the performances when its all good and done bro.
keep up!
Thanks Mad.
Ben and Raiko will uploading regular video diaries to the Vuzu.TV website. I'll post links nearer the time.
cool, the waiting starts now
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ya'll checked out this Driemanskap review?
http://www.speakerbox.co.za/content/review.aspx?cat=Urban&id=268
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ya'll checked out this Driemanskap review?
http://www.speakerbox.co.za/content/review.aspx?cat=Urban&id=268
sick!
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SA Hip Hop on a street/indie level is doomed unless headz countrywide (& the whole continent @large) get off that; ''nobody is doper than my homeboy!'' mentality...and just give props where they ' due, work together and keep it moving.
i.e. Let The Federation introduce The Anvils to the Soweto crowd and vice versa...the same goez with Driemans in the Cape...
' possible ''something'' in my opinion.
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SA Hip Hop on a street/indie level is doomed unless headz countrywide (& the whole continent @large) get off that; ''nobody is doper than my homeboy!'' mentality...and just give props where they ' due, work together and keep it moving.
i.e. Let The Federation introduce The Anvils to the Soweto crowd and vice versa...the same goez with Driemans in the Cape...
' possible ''something'' in my opinion.
there's a lot of cats who do this already. you get crews sharing stages in Cape Town quite often.
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SA Hip Hop on a street/indie level is doomed unless headz countrywide (& the whole continent @large) get off that; ''nobody is doper than my homeboy!'' mentality...and just give props where they ' due, work together and keep it moving.
i.e. Let The Federation introduce The Anvils to the Soweto crowd and vice versa...the same goez with Driemans in the Cape...
' possible ''something'' in my opinion.
tru dat... dis territorial rap is killin the industry....
the EC cats shud blaze stages in ada areas like NW... jozi cats shud not consider themselves bigger than the industry and the mother city c-rappers shud be accomodative of all ada sub-genres and appreciate ... in that we'll have a growin industry.....
but isn't that the promoters job.../ to get the artists known anywhere in the country..... do we really have a stable promotions strategy, sum to help on organising and ensuring that all cats get the platform anywhere in the country?
i think we lack true hip hop promoters, not cats who be tryna get the wurd out for they bros and claim they playin a part in promoting hip hop, 1 shud be able to book an mcee from whereva....that be a true hip hop pioneer(nt the unit)......
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@Panic...Cape Town alone iz not enough.
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SA Hip Hop on a street/indie level is doomed unless headz countrywide (& the whole continent @large) get off that; ''nobody is doper than my homeboy!'' mentality...and just give props where they ' due, work together and keep it moving.
i.e. Let The Federation introduce The Anvils to the Soweto crowd and vice versa...the same goez with Driemans in the Cape...
' possible ''something'' in my opinion.
As I said before, building an artist's career takes a lot of work, time and money.
There's very little money in our industry and most of the corporate money goes to the most commercial artists. I believe this is slowly changing (and will continue to do so), but we have to raise our standards in every aspect of the the indie music business and stop making excuses.
We have to start by being more critical of our standards. Is the new beat you just made better than anything else that's out there? Are your emceeing skills on par with the best in the country? Are you bringing something new and exciting to the game? Is your live show as good as Mos Def's? If you're not sure the answer to these questions is 'yes', you need to go back to the lab and practice until you are sure. Just being able to rap doesn't qualify you to be a rapper. Be your own biggest critic and don't let your friends gas you up.
Collaborations are great, but only if they are part of a strategic framework. There's no point introducing Cape Town to a new Joburg artist if they don't have a professional-quality CD available to buy.
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@Dee...I co-sign your whole entire post.
& what I mean, by working together, is more dun just collaborating on tracks..but also putting de next man on (' fellow hard working artist!)
*I rememba this one time Reason came & straight rocked the crowd @1808..he kept going on bout sum cat called N'veigh. Come next show, they both there & N'veigh ''punches'' the crowd into a motha of a frenzy!!!
& after that, i get cats coming up to me on sum: ''Does REASON'S BOY have anything out??? THEM NIGGAZ is dope!!''
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I also feel Xhosa spittin cats especially down in south have not forge a strong front through the Spaza movement ( even though I don’t know the meaning behind it) which has made a great impact in the Rap scene . Not much exciting is popping with Spaza lately and its difficult to tell.
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I also feel Xhosa spittin cats especially down in south have not forge a strong front through the Spaza movement ( even though I don’t know the meaning behind it) which has made a great impact in the Rap scene . Not much exciting is popping with Spaza lately and its difficult to tell.
I hear you. We haven't done a very good job of promoting a unified Spaza front. We need a CPT campaign like the Durban house campaign.
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I've heard quite a few stuff that I wanna try, but we all know the problem we seem to get all the time... we don't get to find good music that we want on our nearest outleats. Randburg was ayt, Cap City also. Bloemfontein was disgustin but the way the dress gotdamn was on point. I'ma about to hit cpt very soon, hopefully I'll cum back smillin'. ek se my bru'
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SA Hip Hop on a street/indie level is doomed unless headz countrywide (& the whole continent @large) get off that; ''nobody is doper than my homeboy!'' mentality...and just give props where they ' due, work together and keep it moving.
i.e. Let The Federation introduce The Anvils to the Soweto crowd and vice versa...the same goez with Driemans in the Cape...
' possible ''something'' in my opinion.
As I said before, building an artist's career takes a lot of work, time and money.
There's very little money in our industry and most of the corporate money goes to the most commercial artists. I believe this is slowly changing (and will continue to do so), but we have to raise our standards in every aspect of the the indie music business and stop making excuses.
We have to start by being more critical of our standards. Is the new beat you just made better than anything else that's out there? Are your emceeing skills on par with the best in the country? Are you bringing something new and exciting to the game? Is your live show as good as Mos Def's? If you're not sure the answer to these questions is 'yes', you need to go back to the lab and practice until you are sure. Just being able to rap doesn't qualify you to be a rapper. Be your own biggest critic and don't let your friends gas you up.
Collaborations are great, but only if they are part of a strategic framework. There's no point introducing Cape Town to a new Joburg artist if they don't have a professional-quality CD available to buy.
i still feel it is the promoters who needs to put more onto this than just waitin for an mcee to establish himself and we start to try and salvage what has already been tarnished by his antics to gain exposure.
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with jozi making moves, pro kid topping local charts and slikour winning awards i would say im partially satisfied, at least we gradually moving to a higher phase