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Title: Accents
Post by: RearrangedReality on August 23, 2010, 09:20:45 AM
Random topic, please dont bring your seriousness into this alright. :)

I'm sure you've heard these comments before being directed to some black folk, "S/He speaks/sounds like a white person". sometimes as a compliment and sometimes in a negative context and of course for some people it doesn't mean much besides that it is just noticeable. but it is not black people I specifically want to talk about here. will get back to black folk in a minute.

white south african english speaking people. too often I've heard voices on TV sounding like a black person with a model C accent only to find out its actually a white person. Which made me ask myself, who really sounds like who these days?

Ever noticed this, I actually think white south african accents(english speaking) have a hint of black in them. anyone noticed this.

i'll get back on black people in a minute.
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: Touareg on August 23, 2010, 09:48:25 AM
Yeah I've also noticed this bro...especially on radio, maybe they do it deliberately so that the speaker sounds generic...and as a result they can run the ad on different stations...

Also noticed with the young kids...They all sound the same...black/white/coloured...

I think we might be getting to an era where we'll all just sound South African...Except the Vendas of course ;D



Title: Re: Accents
Post by: RearrangedReality on August 23, 2010, 09:54:37 AM
Yeah I've also noticed this bro...especially on radio, maybe they do it deliberately so that the speaker sounds generic...and as a result they can run the ad on different stations...

Also noticed with the young kids...They all sound the same...black/white/coloured...

I think we might be getting to an era where we'll all just sound South African...Except the Vendas of course ;D

yeah on radio too I've noticed that.

lol at the Vanda comment
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: briCK on August 23, 2010, 10:01:45 AM
I hate it when white people speak like that!

But the more you hang around "white whites" not these half a** white(be they black colored or white)
you start to notice that South African English is quite disgusting and distintly blek!

The niggredation of the Queens language is gross.

white people with Eishes, nci nci nci etc in the language annoy me.

and yes the little f***ing kids sound the same..

I went to pick my kid up from school..then when I got to aftercare the teacher told to watch the
brats while she quickly went and fetched something in th office

and this girl asks "Are you [INSERT DAUGHTERS NAME HERE] she sounded EXACTLY like my daughter
and guess what I did..I said yes.

and I got almost 15kids sounding like my daughter asking the same thing..Kids f***ing crazy.

I answered the same question with the same answer

Random kid :"Are things dad?"
me:Yes!
Another Random kid :"Are things dad?"
me:Yes!
Random kid :"Are things dad?"
me:Yes!
Another Random kid :"Are things dad?"
me:Yes!
Random kid :"Are things dad?"
me:Yes!
Another Random kid :"Are things dad?"
me:Yes!
Random kid :"Are things dad?"
me:Yes!
Another Random kid :"Are things dad?"
me:Yes!
Random kid :"Are things dad?"
me:Yes!
Another Random kid :"Are things dad?"
me:Yes!
Random kid :"Are things dad?"
me:Yes!
Another Random kid :"Are things dad?"
me:Yes!
Random kid :"Are things dad?"
me:Yes!
Another Random kid :"Are things dad?"
me:Yes!
Random kid :"Are things dad?"
me:Yes!
Another Random kid :"Are things dad?"
me:Yes!

Kids are relentless.
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: RearrangedReality on August 23, 2010, 10:05:48 AM
huh?
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: MOFF G on August 23, 2010, 10:19:43 AM
huh?

yeah Brick...u lost me there

anyhoe...i think we south africans have a distinct accent, which most media exploit when doing these promotions. we emphasize on our conotatives. except for those brats that like the twang in they slang.
 most american actors struggle to do this accent, like leonardo in that blood diamond movie...he sounded fake, not south african.
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: RearrangedReality on August 23, 2010, 10:24:31 AM
Yeah they all struggle with this accent. I have never heard any outsider who nails it. the only accent they tend to almost get is the Afrikaner accent.
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: briCK on August 23, 2010, 10:46:48 AM
don't get whats so hard to get bout what I said...

the English here is GROSS! coz it sounds black! and when white people
sound blek it sounds condersanting and irritating..thats why I can't
hang around white heads they speak black

"luuk! luuk!" (look look)
"Yeah that cat whiled" (wild)
"luuk at thart whiled ket"

PLEASE SHOOT YOURSELF!
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: RearrangedReality on August 23, 2010, 10:50:22 AM
back for a minute on black people's accent. that nigga Naye from SAfm should hang himself. i don't know what white person from which part of the earth is he trying to sound like but its annoying as f***. damn!
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: briCK on August 23, 2010, 11:11:16 AM
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarh....

"the pro-blem, with this COUNT ry"
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: RearrangedReality on August 23, 2010, 11:30:04 AM
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarh....

"the pro-blem, with this COUNT ry"

I distance myself from this comment.

Im talking about "model c/urban black/not sounding black" and "white sounding black" accent
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: Papa ThReAdS on August 23, 2010, 11:53:22 AM
Yeah they all struggle with this accent. I have never heard any outsider who nails it. the only accent they tend to almost get is the Afrikaner accent.

I dont know what the big deal is really.

To be fair, there are non (regularly) english speaking white AND black south africans, that also struggle with the generic english speaking white south african accent.
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: briCK on August 23, 2010, 12:52:01 PM
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarh....

"the pro-blem, with this COUNT ry"

I distance myself from this comment.

Im talking about "model c/urban black/not sounding black" and "white sounding black" accent

I AM TALKIN BOUT WHITE PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT...

I refuse to talk about black and english!
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: The Mighty Loks on August 23, 2010, 12:57:05 PM
My dads accent leaves much to be desired. Sometimes when I have a telephone conversation with him I have to ask the same thing 29 times cause he insists on pronouncing bad, bed and bird the exact same way, so you can imagine everything else. Gotdaym bantu education.
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: MOFF G on August 23, 2010, 01:47:35 PM
My dads accent leaves much to be desired. Sometimes when I have a telephone conversation with him I have to ask the same thing 29 times cause he insists on pronouncing bad, bed and bird the exact same way, so you can imagine everything else. Gotdaym bantu education.


hahahahahaaaaa ... how bird can it get mara....
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: The Mighty Loks on August 23, 2010, 01:57:54 PM
My dads accent leaves much to be desired. Sometimes when I have a telephone conversation with him I have to ask the same thing 29 times cause he insists on pronouncing bad, bed and bird the exact same way, so you can imagine everything else. Gotdaym bantu education.


hahahahahaaaaa ... how bird can it get mara....


Yo kanti you have no idea it can get really bed.
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: RearrangedReality on August 23, 2010, 02:01:36 PM
My dads accent leaves much to be desired. Sometimes when I have a telephone conversation with him I have to ask the same thing 29 times cause he insists on pronouncing bad, bed and bird the exact same way, so you can imagine everything else. Gotdaym bantu education.

I think blacks who have a problem with this are annoying too. the context should help you out where pronunciation fails.
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: The Mighty Loks on August 23, 2010, 02:09:03 PM
My dads accent leaves much to be desired. Sometimes when I have a telephone conversation with him I have to ask the same thing 29 times cause he insists on pronouncing bad, bed and bird the exact same way, so you can imagine everything else. Gotdaym bantu education.

I think blacks who have a problem with this are annoying too. the context should help you out where pronunciation fails.


Putting shit into context with my dad can be tricky...

DAD: Baldi where did we see that bird/bed/bad kanene?
ME: What? Tata what are you talking about? What bird?
DAD: Hay man not bird/bed/bad the bed/bird/bad.
ME: Tata mas'thethe is'Xhosa cause iEnglish yakho i f***en.
DAD: Nguwe lo uf***en. I'm talking about that bed/bird/bad we saw izolo in town man.
ME: Tata in which shop.
DAD: Shop? Who said anything about a shop, I'm talking about the bird/bed/bad. Mnxin yaz i wasted my money taking you to model c schools. Your English is very bed/bad/bird.
ME:  ???  ???  :-\  *thinking this nigger aint eve being serious*
DAD: Yaz never mind and just ring my wallet it's on top of the bird/bed/bad.

 
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: RearrangedReality on August 23, 2010, 02:19:21 PM
My dads accent leaves much to be desired. Sometimes when I have a telephone conversation with him I have to ask the same thing 29 times cause he insists on pronouncing bad, bed and bird the exact same way, so you can imagine everything else. Gotdaym bantu education.

I think blacks who have a problem with this are annoying too. the context should help you out where pronunciation fails.


Putting shit into context with my dad can be tricky...

DAD: Baldi where did we see that bird/bed/bad kanene?
ME: What? Tata what are you talking about? What bird?
DAD: Hay man not bird/bed/bad the bed/bird/bad.
ME: Tata mas'thethe is'Xhosa cause iEnglish yakho i f***en.
DAD: Nguwe lo uf***en. I'm talking about that bed/bird/bad we saw izolo in town man.
ME: Tata in which shop.
DAD: Shop? Who said anything about a shop, I'm talking about the bird/bed/bad. Mnxin yaz i wasted my money taking you to model c schools. Your English is very bed/bad/bird.
ME:  ???  ???  :-\  *thinking this nigger aint eve being serious*
DAD: Yaz never mind and just ring my wallet it's on top of the bird/bed/bad.

This is either made up or you are very ignorant. I dont see how this conversation could turn confusing if you both indeed saw a bird in town. how would you see a bad? of course is on of the other two (bird/bed). (rhetorical question)

blacks who speak english to their parents and vice versa are annoying. I cut my mom short when she tries that. she usually do it when there's a friend who seems like they are from not around though. i understand its polite but it when shes specifically tries it on me because the friend/girlfriend is around i still dont entertain it unless the conversation involves the said friend.


Title: Re: Accents
Post by: The Mighty Loks on August 23, 2010, 02:26:52 PM
This is either made up or you are very ignorant. I dont see how this conversation could turn confusing if you both indeed saw a bird in town. how would you see a bad? of course is on of the other two (bird/bed). (rhetorical question)

blacks who speak english to their parents and vice versa are annoying. I cut my mom short when she tries that. she usually do it when there's a friend who seems like they are from not around though. i understand it polite but i when shes specifically tries it on me because the friend/girlfriend is around i still dont entertain it unless the conversation involves the said friend.


Ignorant? What exactly would I be ignorant about?  ::)  *exhales*

I don't see anything wrong with speaking English with your parents. Whatever strokes your boat.
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: MOFF G on August 23, 2010, 02:51:55 PM
the language has never been wrong(maybe during shakespearin times), the accents/pronounciations  that some peeps use that sometimes is confusing.
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: A pimp named Sarkozy on August 24, 2010, 09:57:19 AM
Have no problems with different accents!! But have beef with peeps overdoing it.
Their Sentences doesnt end without saying ".......and Im like!!?? If they dont like something they be like "Thats so Black" WTF!! Township chicks trying to do that Model c accent thing are hilarious, ;D The Tone is the same way as they speak Vernac,Consequently they cantg roll nice haha!! "....and Whure tha Hell do u thank i can find a Ruch Husband" hehehe!!
I love my black sistaz!!

Lerato Mbele i think that women is taking herself way too seriously,I wouldnt be suprised if she only dating White men!
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: briCK on August 24, 2010, 10:14:00 AM
I have in the past mentioned that..I could give a shit about how blecks dismember uJoji in terms of pronouncing etc etc..

JUST GET THE CRAMMER CORRECTS!


The bath room door she is not Working.

Mrs Hughes he left now now.





"I was walking and he just shoot me in the Thang!!!!"

Cla**ic...


So my point is the Bantu Educated folk, while not really being able to pronounce words
as fancy, they do have the ability to articulate their thoughts, hence why most of them were able to write
coherent texts cause they could COMMUNICATE in English, as in they HAD something to say, people who do not develop they vocabulary and grammar in ANY language are not worth listening too,,,if you think you can string words and throw them at me with no fore thought f*** YOU.

another point...the over accenting at times is a front by blacks who SHOULD be intelligent or educated
enough to do what they hired for but, no they don't know shit they used they grasp of en...........................

f*** it


"I was walking down the street and they just shoot me in the thang!"

Title: Re: Accents
Post by: RearrangedReality on August 24, 2010, 10:19:56 AM
"I was walking down the street and they just shoot me in the thang!"

hahahahah!!

where did you hear this?
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: briCK on August 24, 2010, 10:26:39 AM
"I was walking down the street and they just shoot me in the thang!"

hahahahah!!

where did you hear this?


After the Shell House shooting on CCV
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: Boss on August 24, 2010, 10:28:22 AM
I have a problem with anyone who tries to master a langauge they blatantly cant speak fluently.

i get annoyed more  when i hear old people who insist on speaking english in public when they fail to pronounce even the basic words like usually, mostly..etc etc.

these wanabe-be a model c f***ers.....they be trying to impress these broads with their incomplete english and when their tongue gets stuck they be like ......."ummm, like..umm and and"

funny as hell!
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: briCK on August 24, 2010, 10:35:44 AM
I have a problem with anyone who tries to master a langauge they blatantly cant speak fluently.


is that not the POINT of tryna master it? Coz you can't speak it fluently?

Coz if you did speak it fluently then it would a a stupid exercise
to try and master something you speak fluently?


You have all the trimmings of the type of school of people that I am not going to get into today
coz it will derail this topic.
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: Last of the old AG Hittaz on August 24, 2010, 08:57:55 PM
To take this on a U.S. note, I kinda hate it when Black people are told that they don't
sound "Black enough" due to stereotypes on TV and radio. When I was little
I used to speak properly since my mom was a school teacher and here up North, we
pronounce the letters at the end of our words and sentences. My parents are from
the South where people not only the majority have an accent (speak with a "twang"),
they misuse their words (Blacks and Poor Whites are worst due to the status situation).

When I went to a family reunion when I was little, one of my cousins said that I "sounded
like a White boy". It hurt for a while until my other cousin said "that's because he's from
Connecticut". Keep in mind that Connecticut's education rate is way better than Alabama's.


Title: Re: Accents
Post by: Anna Sasin on August 25, 2010, 07:23:17 AM
To take this on a U.S. note, I kinda hate it when Black people are told that they don't
sound "Black enough" due to stereotypes on TV and radio. When I was little
I used to speak properly since my mom was a school teacher and here up North, we
pronounce the letters at the end of our words and sentences. My parents are from
the South where people not only the majority have an accent (speak with a "twang"),
they misuse their words (Blacks and Poor Whites are worst due to the status situation).

When I went to a family reunion when I was little, one of my cousins said that I "sounded
like a White boy". It hurt for a while until my other cousin said "that's because he's from
Connecticut". Keep in mind that Connecticut's education rate is way better than Alabama's.

Interesting, because I was being schooled this morning about the difference between slang and African American English Vernacular (Ebonics). Apparently Ebonics is more of a residual from West and Central African languages and retains the same rhythm of speech. Like if you were to take West African languages and translate them into English.

Since to advance,one would to learn 'proper' English, code-switching occurs depending on the company a black person is around at the time. I found it interesting that this happens here as well. We create our own way of speaking English that black people understand, we add words from other languages,  we adapt pronunciation and grammar etc and it rolls off the tongue differently. Then when around whites, we would switch to standard English.

I'm probably derailing the thread and Colin will out for my a**...
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: RearrangedReality on August 25, 2010, 08:32:41 AM
To take this on a U.S. note, I kinda hate it when Black people are told that they don't
sound "Black enough" due to stereotypes on TV and radio. When I was little
I used to speak properly since my mom was a school teacher and here up North, we
pronounce the letters at the end of our words and sentences. My parents are from
the South where people not only the majority have an accent (speak with a "twang"),
they misuse their words (Blacks and Poor Whites are worst due to the status situation).

When I went to a family reunion when I was little, one of my cousins said that I "sounded
like a White boy". It hurt for a while until my other cousin said "that's because he's from
Connecticut". Keep in mind that Connecticut's education rate is way better than Alabama's.

Interesting, because I was being schooled this morning about the difference between slang and African American English Vernacular (Ebonics). Apparently Ebonics is more of a residual from West and Central African languages and retains the same rhythm of speech. Like if you were to take West African languages and translate them into English.

Since to advance,one would to learn 'proper' English, code-switching occurs depending on the company a black person is around at the time. I found it interesting that this happens here as well. We create our own way of speaking English that black people understand, we add words from other languages,  we adapt pronunciation and grammar etc and it rolls off the tongue differently. Then when around whites, we would switch to standard English.

I'm probably derailing the thread and Colin will out for my a**...

interesting.

my recent ex told I sound white at word. I apparently use vocab that she calls typically "white".

we all do change our manner of speaking depending on where we are or who we are talking to.
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: Touareg on August 25, 2010, 09:59:13 AM
we all do change our manner of speaking depending on where we are or who we are talking to.

Truth!!!

...On a side note...You know those cats from EC or WC that would go on holiday for 2 weeks in Jozi then come back and all of a sudden they can only speak Zulu Jozi style but with a Xhosa accent?
f***ers crack me up...

"Ngisafun' ukvasa manje mfethu" WTF???
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: briCK on August 25, 2010, 10:09:25 AM
Work English
Business English
Black English
White People engibancengayo English
White People engingabancengi English
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: RearrangedReality on August 25, 2010, 10:09:44 AM
we all do change our manner of speaking depending on where we are or who we are talking to.

Truth!!!

...On a side note...You know those cats from EC or WC that would go on holiday for 2 weeks in Jozi then come back and all of a sudden they can only speak Zulu Jozi style but with a Xhosa accent?
f***ers crack me up...

"Ngisafun' ukvasa manje mfethu" WTF???

"ndiya khuluma"

tltltltl
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: Mrs Jones on August 25, 2010, 02:43:17 PM
My dads accent leaves much to be desired. Sometimes when I have a telephone conversation with him I have to ask the same thing 29 times cause he insists on pronouncing bad, bed and bird the exact same way, so you can imagine everything else. Gotdaym bantu education.
hahahahahahahahahahahaha I don't bother with the corrections anymore, I understand that some of us were taught English in Xhosa.
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: Last of the old AG Hittaz on August 25, 2010, 10:37:34 PM

Interesting, because I was being schooled this morning about the difference between slang and African American English Vernacular (Ebonics). Apparently Ebonics is more of a residual from West and Central African languages and retains the same rhythm of speech. Like if you were to take West African languages and translate them into English.

Since to advance,one would to learn 'proper' English, code-switching occurs depending on the company a black person is around at the time. I found it interesting that this happens here as well. We create our own way of speaking English that black people understand, we add words from other languages,  we adapt pronunciation and grammar etc and it rolls off the tongue differently. Then when around whites, we would switch to standard English.

I'm probably derailing the thread and Colin will out for my a**...

I dunno if it came from the West African dialects as most African-Americans are descended from West or Central Africa, but another interesting topic would be the Gullah (or Geechee)
people of North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia. These are Black people that still
speak a dialect that has more African influence than English. Nickelodeon even had a
Kids TV show about the Gullah people called "Gullah Gullah Island".
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: Anna Sasin on August 26, 2010, 06:51:10 AM

Interesting, because I was being schooled this morning about the difference between slang and African American English Vernacular (Ebonics). Apparently Ebonics is more of a residual from West and Central African languages and retains the same rhythm of speech. Like if you were to take West African languages and translate them into English.

Since to advance,one would to learn 'proper' English, code-switching occurs depending on the company a black person is around at the time. I found it interesting that this happens here as well. We create our own way of speaking English that black people understand, we add words from other languages,  we adapt pronunciation and grammar etc and it rolls off the tongue differently. Then when around whites, we would switch to standard English.

I'm probably derailing the thread and Colin will out for my a**...

I dunno if it came from the West African dialects as most African-Americans are descended from West or Central Africa, but another interesting topic would be the Gullah (or Geechee)
people of North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia. These are Black people that still
speak a dialect that has more African influence than English. Nickelodeon even had a
Kids TV show about the Gullah people called "Gullah Gullah Island".

You read my mind!I read up about this yesterday. Apparently its because they didn't have as much interaction with White people and were able to preserve their culture to a greater degree. They could handle the climate and diseases in that region and the White people were dying like flies so they would leave them for extended periods with Black overseers.

Fascinating.
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: briCK on August 26, 2010, 09:03:34 AM
JACKED!!!!!



ATLANTA — Federal agents are seeking to hire Ebonics translators to help interpret wiretapped conversations involving targets of undercover drug investigations.

The Drug Enforcement Administration recently sent memos asking companies that provide translation services to help it find nine translators in the Southeast who are fluent in Ebonics, Special Agent Michael Sanders said Monday.

Ebonics, which is also known as African American Vernacular English, has been described by the psychologist who coined the term as the combination of English vocabulary with African language structure.

Some DEA agents already help translate Ebonics, Sanders said. But he said wasn't sure if the agency has ever hired outside Ebonics experts as contractors.

"They saw a need for this in a couple of their investigations," he said. "And when you see a need — it may not be needed now — but we want the contractors to provide us with nine people just in case."

The DEA's decision, first reported by The Smoking Gun, evokes memories of the debate sparked in 1996 when the Oakland, Calif., school board suggested that black English was a separate language. Although the board later dropped the suggestion amid criticism, it set off a national discussion over whether Ebonics is a language, a dialect or neither.

The search for translators covers a wide swath of the Southeast, including offices in Atlanta, Washington, New Orleans, Miami and the Caribbean, said Sanders. He said he's uncertain why other regions aren't hiring Ebonics translators, but said there are ongoing investigations in the Southeast that need dedicated Ebonics translators.

Linguists said Ebonics can be trickier than it seems, partly because the vocabulary evolves so quickly.

"A lot of times people think you're just dealing with a few slang words, and that you can finesse your way around it," said John Rickford, a Stanford University linguistics professor. "And it's not — it's a big vocabulary. You'll have some significant differences" from English.

Critics worry that the DEA's actions could set a precedent.

"Hiring translators for languages that are of questionable merit to begin with is just going in the wrong direction," said Aloysius Hogan, the government relations director of English First, a national lobbying group that promotes the use of English.

"I'm not aware of Ebonics training schools or tests. I don't know how they'd establish that someone speaks Ebonics," he said. "I support the concept of pursuing drug dealers if they're using code words, but this is definitely going in the wrong direction."

H. Samy Alim, a Stanford linguistics professor who specializes in black language and hip-hop culture, said he thought the hiring effort was a joke when he first heard about it, but that it highlights a serious issue.

"It seems ironic that schools that are serving and educating black children have not recognized the legitimacy of this language. Yet the authorities and the police are recognizing that this is a language that they don't understand," he said. "It really tells us a lot about where we are socially in terms of recognizing African-American speech." []

Rickford said that hiring Ebonics experts could come in handy for the DEA, but he said it's hard to determine whether a prospective employee can speak it well enough to translate since there are no standardized tests. He said the ideal candidate would be a native speaker who also has had some linguistics training.

Finding the right translators could be the difference between a successful investigation or a failed one, said Sanders. While he said many listeners can get the gist of what Ebonics speakers are saying, it could take an expert to define it in court.

"You can maybe get a general idea of what they're saying, but you have to understand that this has to hold up in court," he said. "You need someone to say, 'I know what they mean when they say 'ballin' or 'pinching pennies.'"

      

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38831303?gt1=43001
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: RearrangedReality on August 26, 2010, 10:22:02 AM

Interesting, because I was being schooled this morning about the difference between slang and African American English Vernacular (Ebonics). Apparently Ebonics is more of a residual from West and Central African languages and retains the same rhythm of speech. Like if you were to take West African languages and translate them into English.

Since to advance,one would to learn 'proper' English, code-switching occurs depending on the company a black person is around at the time. I found it interesting that this happens here as well. We create our own way of speaking English that black people understand, we add words from other languages,  we adapt pronunciation and grammar etc and it rolls off the tongue differently. Then when around whites, we would switch to standard English.

I'm probably derailing the thread and Colin will out for my a**...

I dunno if it came from the West African dialects as most African-Americans are descended from West or Central Africa, but another interesting topic would be the Gullah (or Geechee)
people of North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia. These are Black people that still
speak a dialect that has more African influence than English. Nickelodeon even had a
Kids TV show about the Gullah people called "Gullah Gullah Island".

You read my mind!I read up about this yesterday. Apparently its because they didn't have as much interaction with White people and were able to preserve their culture to a greater degree. They could handle the climate and diseases in that region and the White people were dying like flies so they would leave them for extended periods with Black overseers.

Fascinating.

Interesting.

Some Jamaican folk i met were talking about how similar some of their words are to Spanish and and another African language from up north of Africa, just forgot which one it was, they mentioned a word for meat. i think they said "Nyam" then I told them actually in my language we have the same word, Inyama.
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: Anna Sasin on August 26, 2010, 11:30:48 AM
@Brick great read! @RR I was once told a lot of Caribbean slaves were taken from Southern Africa and that Patois contains a lot of similar words. I must still read up a bit more on that.
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: Last of the old AG Hittaz on August 27, 2010, 04:07:45 AM

Interesting.

Some Jamaican folk i met were talking about how similar some of their words are to Spanish and and another African language from up north of Africa, just forgot which one it was, they mentioned a word for meat. i think they said "Nyam" then I told them actually in my language we have the same word, Inyama.

Some African words and languages made their way to the Americas during slavery.
Some examples are:

The slang for peanuts, "Goober" came from the "kiKongo" word "Nguba"

In the Caribbean, people also tell tales to their children of a monster named
"Moko Djumbie". The story is said to originate from Mali

Another African tale that made it's way to the Americas was Anansi the Spider,
a Ghanaian Folklore tale.

Mexicans used to word "Chamba" meaning "Work fast". This word is said to
have an African origin.

The song "La Bamba" a Mexican folk song made popular by 50s rock star
Richie Vallens is said to have roots in Angola

There are some Afro-Cubans that still speak Yourba (Nigeria) and practice Voodoo
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: RearrangedReality on August 27, 2010, 09:43:21 AM
Makes a lot of sense, even Brazilian music is hard, for me, to distinguise between it and congolese,etc music. I remember when I was with some peoples and we were going watch a brazilian game at this brazilian clud. while we were behind the place i heard the music from inside.

me: is this where we supposed to be
them: yes
me: oh, they playing african music
them: no its brazilian but, you know, same difference

Title: Re: Accents
Post by: briCK on August 27, 2010, 10:23:20 AM
I don't get whats so surprising about this tho?

blacks will be blacks!

take them over the ocean and civilize them and how do they thank you?

they spit it in your face...

instead of grabbing the opportunity to be given such beautiful names as Toby he will stick to Khunta!

Give him the opportunity to embrace white Jesus and he will continue putting hexes on people an accumulating voodoo dolls!

Title: Re: Accents
Post by: Last of the old AG Hittaz on August 28, 2010, 04:10:07 AM
Makes a lot of sense, even Brazilian music is hard, for me, to distinguise between it and congolese,etc music. I remember when I was with some peoples and we were going watch a brazilian game at this brazilian clud. while we were behind the place i heard the music from inside.

me: is this where we supposed to be
them: yes
me: oh, they playing african music
them: no its brazilian but, you know, same difference


Well, Brazil has the highest population of people of African descent in the Americas. Slavery
was abolished there in 1888 (23 years after slavery was abolished in the United States).
Even though Brazilian society tries to hide their African culture, they just can't. In Angola,
there is a Afro-Portuguese sound called Semba which is slower but somewhat uptempo.
When it arrived in Brazil, the sound became faster into what we now know today as Samba!
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: MOFF G on August 28, 2010, 10:01:53 AM
thanx for the info ya'll provided...
blacks shall remain blacks, no matter what, check the accents of the british blacks, them maintaining on that language of theirs, have the similar british accent but some conotations differ.

i dunno if australia has nuff blacks to form a large community, and that makes me wonder how their dialect would be or how is it, considering the aussies accents.

brings me back to you Mpoint...do u still maintain your strong sense of pronounciation as for the african u are...or are u now on the ebonics/slang with a twang...?
don't be shy...we won't judge u if u switched to be "civilised".....lol
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: Last of the old AG Hittaz on August 28, 2010, 03:14:54 PM
thanx for the info ya'll provided...
blacks shall remain blacks, no matter what, check the accents of the british blacks, them maintaining on that language of theirs, have the similar british accent but some conotations differ.

i dunno if australia has nuff blacks to form a large community, and that makes me wonder how their dialect would be or how is it, considering the aussies accents.

brings me back to you Mpoint...do u still maintain your strong sense of pronounciation as for the african u are...or are u now on the ebonics/slang with a twang...?
don't be shy...we won't judge u if u switched to be "civilised".....lol


Like RR said, we do change our accents due to manners and situations.........

About me, accents vary. If I speak with a twang, it's because my parents were from the South (Mississippi and Alabama) and even though they can pronounciate their words,
clearly, they still speak with a Southern accent (even though they forbid me to speak like
that). After years of listening to the BBC and getting into "UK Urban" Culture my British
accents can vary from proper to Afro-Saxson, lol. I think that influence comes from me listening to Reggae at a very young age too since Connecticut also has a huge Caribbean
diaspora as well as the UK. The people start thinking I'm from the Caribbean! lol

Another funny thing is that anytime I speak French, people (even Africans) a**ume
I'm from Haiti, probably because my French is broken. Then I keep asking myself, "Am I
speaking Creole?"

But about that Black Australian thing, I dunno about African immigrants in Australia. I heard
the Sudanese ones try to imitate African-American culture (rapper Bangs?). Aboriginies
(not African, but indigenous) have created their own way of English as well.
Title: Re: Accents
Post by: Last of the old AG Hittaz on August 29, 2010, 02:38:07 AM
But with the proper accent, one of my old bosses joked that I was the "whitest black kid
he knew". lol