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Hip Hop Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: Dpleezy on October 07, 2005, 12:23:49 PM
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I just spent my last ever R10 on Hype mag.
Fungayi makes a special mention of Cape Town, telling us we should stop being 'bitter' at our lack of exposure and get our hustle on. He also writes a special note on the CD to say that if you haven't got your shit on the CD it's either cause you are 'whack' or because God has decided it's not your time to shine.
I sent the Trusenz CD to Hype mag about 6 months ago. I even called to check if they had received it. They said that they had got it. No love at all, not mentioned anywhere. Not reviewed. Nothing.
I told them about Trusenz opening for the Beatnuts at the Sun Dance Music Festival in Estonia. He wrote a travelogue for them and got great pics of him on stage and chilling in VIP with the Beatnuts. They declined to run the story or even mention it (despite asking for it). No explantion - just told me the story had been dropped, but that they would add it to the news section as a small feature. Nothing there either.
They called me to ask me for beats to go on the CD. I sent them about 15 tracks. They told me that they were going to use 'X' by Trusenz and 'Royal Remix' by Konfab and others,,, I even signed the release form. Nothing on the CD.
I also sent them a press release about the Drudge Dialect Mixtape. Nothing.
I wouldn't call myself bitter, but these cats are just wasting my time now. It's just not professional behaviour. Anyway,,, it's no big deal. I know where I stand with Hype Mag now.
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f*** that nigga & his mag! :twisted:
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Whos on the CD and WHO is on the cover?
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Tumi and the Volume on the cover. I'll put a track listing up when I get home.
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C what i meant..Cats 4rom tht side are not given chances..FCUK Hype!
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ok,, just to be fair to Hype, they do feature some CPT artists (G-Sus, Isaac Mutant and others) in this issue,,,
G-Sus has been putting in work. He took Funguyi around when he came to CPT.
I'm just bitching about those cats been wasting my time :)
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Who is Isaac Mutant?
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01. I Promise You - Caramel & Ray Gunz
02. Nobody is There - Wizard
03. Focus Your Mind - Metaphysics
04. Entity - 1st Lesson
05. H-Town - Trixta Ft. Guess
06. I Salute You - Kingpin
07. OUOustanding - OUO
08. Rebel Emcee - Lahzee
09. Boo - Isaac Mutant
10. Die Kak Wat Hie Gebeur
11. Doin' Damage in My Native Language - Zimbabwe Legit
12. Whisper Song - Ying Yang Twins
13. Culo - Pitbull Ft. Lil Jon
14. Groupie Luv - 213
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According to Hype mag:
"Isaac Mutant is the unofficial god of Afrikaans rap and when you flick through a dictionary his face is right next to the term hustler. Boo is off his debut album 'Side Show Freak' available on 072 906 6402."
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Yo D, welcome to the"I don't buy the wack Hype magazine club"Yo D,
I think your a**ociation with trackpack has gotten you on the opposite side of hype mag, its obvious fungayi wont bump your isht because of your dealings with sydmoney.
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Poli-tricks as Usual!
That is a very interesting tracklisting there.
Some great songs from 3 of Zimbabwe's finest to ever do it in
KingPin (R.I.P) [Hope they cleared that nanaMai Tonde :?]
OUO/ Zim Legit Right does his Damn thang!
Meta - transmitting Live from Germany!
~Looks like this is the Zim edition of HYPE MAG :?
The following track are a waste of time & space on the CD:
12. Whisper Song - Ying Yang Twins
13. Culo - Pitbull Ft. Lil Jon
14. Groupie Luv - 213
Not the most co-hesive of compilations. I think Fungayi's aspirations to grow the distribution of HYPE may be corrupting the direction of the mag.
Problem with HYPE is that they did NOT get the basics of putting out a good magazine right before they decided to conquer the world. It will always come down to the basic fact that:
"It is not a good magazine & is laden with badly researched badly written articles/ features full of inconsistencies."
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"...& is laden with badly researched badly written articles/ features full of inconsistencies."
Who knows, this might change for one or 2 articles. :wink:
Moving along...can someone pls tell me or correct me but wasnt that Groupie Luv track on the previous compilation as well?If so, how the heck does it find itself on this one?Also, is this the best 213 track they could get to put on cause I think its a very weak track musically.
As for the Culo track........think I heard it on radio a few weeks back.If it is that one, then I didnt like the beat.....sounding weak again though I like Pitbull and he comes off ok, but that beat does nothing for him.Still PB is skilled.
And now for the Wait song.......my goodness.......this isnt even music.This song is just mindless.Ok, its more like "drop it like its hot" cubed.But ya, had enuff beef with this witless one. :lol:
I notice that Caramel & Ray Gunz have been getting lots of shine from HYPE though.Good for them.They been putting in the hustle and grinding and its coming together.
@ Brick: u never heard of Isaac yet?Ok, then I shall put u onto some of his tightness.He used to work with HIPE alot.Bro is madd on the rhyme.Think an Afrikaans version of someone like Busta, and full of punchlines.Hit me with ur mail addy, will see what I can do.
Now Dp, I feel u and I concur.........time to just let sleeping dogs lie and get on with ur grind.U do ur thang and we all know u doing it well.So who cares bout what the mag thinks.Also, I dont agree with the way u peeps been put in the dark with Tru's project and all and the tracks submitted to the mag, but I think it could be the whole trackpack link.Its one of those things.U know whats the best revenge?Yep, just to live well.........and get that Scott Storch money cuz.That'll show em. 8)
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Errrr Gentlemen?!!! WTF?
1. The Ying Yang tracks e.t.c are acapellas for producers to lace their heat to. LOCAL producers.
2. Those who lace their heat on these tracks and TVT peeps feel it, may get a chance to lace some heat possibly for TVT artists. E.g. Warren G feeling that isht you do with your Equing and hollers for you to drop somethin' for a 213 track to see what else you got. Snoop gets wind of you, so through Snoop being on Startrak as a solo artist, Pharrell checks for your isht coz he's like, "whacthu think of what I did with this? ", & so do many other artists wanting that same sound that Snoop has his new hit with that comes from this new dude Scratch magazine is talking about that's dropping some gems from S.A and was first featured in that country's biggest selling hip hop magazine.
Chess moves people. Chess moves. International competion with a label that will really be checking for your isht. As The Watcher I was keen to see where this TVT thing was going and if anything, I see dem dudes were thinking out the box with this one. Put your guns away & call for what it is;
>smart move from HYPE....(for the growth of this damn thang)
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f*** it! even talking about hype is a waste of time. the stupid mag is a killing our enviroment- way too much paper is used to produce that crap! :roll:
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(Ps, Whats up with the joburg mentality. Whats up with the arrogance. Ppl seem to be more concerned with their image, rep n cash than progressing and building. Almost all business dealings i've had with peeps from joburg have been marked with disrespect and greed. ---- competition and ripping each other off is unproductive for everyone, its bad for business and its bad for the growth of the industry. ......damn i love Cape Town)
This is only partily true. Suppose it would explain why Joburg is the centre of the SA economy. The cut throat nature/mentality of the peoples there :evil: ..
I lived there the whole of last year there are some people that are genuinely concerned about growth though..
As far as HYPE I aggree with everything EDMOND sed above. I supported them initially because they appeared to be concerned about establishing little known artists on a national scale. the first few installments of the CD seemed to suggest this. But as they became more important HYPE mag started to get lost in the poli-tricks of SA Hip Hop rather than the core business of putting a solid magazine together.
Now its like a bunch of columnists from Huis Genoot (sp) could put together a more credible publication.
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Hmm.
Seems like HYPE is taking a lot of flak lately, much of it not unjustified. I do have to put some points out there, though, as someone who has written for them and has been privy to (some) goings-on.
1) HYPE is just over a year old. I think it takes a magazine a little more time than that to truly establish an identity. Yes, Fungz and company have made some slightly suspect decisions (along with, it must be said, some very good ones) but I think a little more experience and they'll be rocking.
2) They have (does a quick count) exactly five permanent staff members that I can discern, three of which do 90% of the writing in the mag. No matter which way you look at it, that's going to result in some stale journalism as writers struggle to pull an infinite amount of stories and articles in on deadline. Zama Nyuswa is unfortunately no longer working for them (pity, I really dug her style) so maybe there'll be some fresh blood
3) Lastly, Fungz did have a point when he wrote that people should contact the magazine and not just post a random forum thread (D excluded, I think he has gone the contacting route and has legitimate beef) They need to know what their readers think, and you cats aren't helping by talking shit on a website. CONTACT THEM!
This is in my capacity as a freelancer and my opinion has not been authorised or OKed by anyone on the mag. Hopefully they'll still let me work for them. If not, at least I got to big up Gtown hip-hop. Yeah!
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1) a. I didnt realize local hip-hop as an identity is confusing. Seems pretty straight forward to me.
Two parts: 1. Hiphop (i'm a**uming the editors have a remote idea)
2. Local (not so sure here..... but i might suggest that local includes places outside of johannesburg - now as to why Snoop Dogg, Warren G, n Nate Dogg r on the cover - i'm perplexed, didnt know they were local)
b. BMW wont produce a car that doesnt drive. So whats the point of bringin out a mag thats hardly readable and unreliable. Magazines are supposed to be informative. Its as if all the articles and facts in hype have been filtered through a game of broken telephone, and all participants were stoned as f***. Great, so we have a local hiphop magazine now...*blakah* Whats the point if all the information is wrong? (And no...i'm not just hating, there's plenty of evidence which i'm not going to refer to....flip through an issue and count the amount of misspellings, name mix-ups and etc.
I will stop my ranting here. It's fruitless. I've been bitchin way too much. Merely want to express my opinions and those of many others i have spoken to. We all have the best intentions, and we want to see Hip-hop succeed and grow locally....that includes hype magazine (i was damn happy when hype came out, loved the first cd and gave them the benefit of the doubt, expecting them to get their act together - grace period has by now, however expired).
The disses come from frustration. We, speaking for Blackmist (and a**uming that other's have been dealt with in a similar manner), have been trying to make contributions, Various individuals on this forum even offered to write quality articles to improve the standard of Hype, to get a more expansive picture of local hip-hop and to establish some journalistic integrity. Hype magazine, so far, however, has been everything but forth coming. Why? f*** do i know. If i see improvements in the next few issues i will take back everything i said and support as best as i can. (still waiting for syn's articles etc)
Refer to D's post (Rob-one your argument is invalid, how can you claim that Fungayi truly is looking for contribution and in the next sentence you refer to solid proof to the contrary).
'Let Us Help You Help Yourself'
Anyway, granted, its definately not easy to run a magazine with a permanent staff of 5. It is possible however. Excuses are only to be made once all possible avenues have been explored and success is nonetheless still elusive. But the resources are available. Why wont they tap into it? Hmmmmmm?
Respect for having brought Hype to the market. But, for now, thats about it. Very pretty pictures though....
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Here I have a suggestion. Hype runs various articles on local artists. The reader has no way to access their music throguh. It's very frustrating? I remember reading an article on an 'apparently tight-a** beatboxer'. I have learnt not to trust local opinions and reviews too much (way too much agenda n politics involved) My question is...why cant i hear his shit? Why dont you put THAT on the cd? A la soundlips for relevant articles.
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Why dont you put THAT on the cd? A la soundlips for relevant articles.
I second that and feel its one heck of a brilliant suggestion.This would put the mag miles ahead from where it may be placed now and bring a freshness to it that seems to be lacking.U know, I'mma copy this suggestion and actually see if HYPE mag would vibe with this idea.I think it very fruitful.Though, we gota remember that Smirnoff is also a sponsor of the cd that gets issued with the mag.SO I think they may have a say as well....seeing as they would wanna use hip hop as a vehicle and cool a**ociation to sell their respective products.Make sense?
I'm thinking maybe a special blend of what some may term simple articles mixed in with intellectual thoughtprovoking ones would give a nice character to the mag and set it apart from the norm.I do agree that its still new on the market and that works in the mag's favour as they still have room to breathe and teeth to find their groove.I think a bit of gradual experimentation (as they still wouldnt wanna lose money in the process) would do wonders for them.Be more open to suggestions and feedback from readers.........not saying they dont take it into consideration, but just acknowledging input more and making the reader or supporters feel like they are contributing.If u send a mail and u get a reply with regard to ur mail, u automatically feel like they care.its all psychological.
Sometimes things need to be brought back to their most basic to truly discover where they need to go.Also, as some may suggest that moaning in this thread isnt going to solve anything, and I agree.This thread is more a form of opinion and grievance voicing.Now what should be done is take these quarms (sp) and compile it in a format thats easily readable and sent to the respective mag by each and everyone that feels this way.Power in numbers.U may think "whats this gonna help" but at least ur trying.
@Dp, I totally understand if u wouldnt wanna do the above.Btw, I think clarity should be given to u with regards to why the cold shoulder.Its only professional to do this.
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guys public enemy said dont believe the hype
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1) Here I have a suggestion. Hype runs various articles on local artists. The reader has no way to access their music throguh. It's very frustrating? I remember reading an article on an 'apparently tight-a** beatboxer'. I have learnt not to trust local opinions and reviews too much (way too much agenda n politics involved) My question is...why cant i hear his shit? Why dont you put THAT on the cd? A la soundlips for relevant articles.
i recall reading about this beat boxer as well. To be fair to Hype, they did have a track on their CD feauturing him. i think they were reffering to ChildofSilence also known as Raheem - ill emcee & beat boxer from durban. many people who have listended to that track & his other tracks agree that he is "a tight a** beat boxer'. I also dont think he is affilitated to Hype mag people @ all.
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IS IT REALLY THAT BAD?
I don't read much! especially hip hop related material, i go thru pages loking at bitches. but i WILL buy and READ and review it I don't belive its possible for people to shelf something which is THAT awful!
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Hello boyz and girls!
Well, well, well. Dplanet is complainin abt Fungayi, who would have thought. U thought that by dick ridin him durin ma beef wit him, he would actually give u preferential treatment. Shame. And I'm glad that all of u half wits have eventually realised that Hype is a pop magazine.
But do not despair urs trully is hard at work to get Fungayi back on the unemployment line. I'll be merciful though, I'll talk to Daily Sun or Drum and see if they can't give him a column that will deal wit spirits.
U cats really need to stop being star struck, it really is GAY!
Lookin foward to ur wonderful responses
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Hello boyz and girls!
Dplanet is complainin abt Fungayi, who would have thought. U thought that by dick ridin him durin ma beef wit him, he would actually give u preferential treatment. Shame.
NOW THAT SORT OF REGISTER WILL EARN YOU A BEATDOWN REAL QUICK YOUNG MAN :evil:
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Lookin foward to ur wonderful responses
Dumb a** Mtshwelo@gmail.com returns to corrupt an otherwise constructive thread. I advocate that we all just ignore everything this kid says. Sooner or later he will go away. :evil:
& just so you know we WILL meet one day soon & you WILL get whats coming to you mfana.
As for HYPE little to add here that has not been added except that anyone that says that HYPE genuinely cares about SA hip hop dvlpmt obviously hasnt dealt with them directly.
P.S WHo won them HIPHOCALYPSE Remix-tape giveaways? You would have thought they would have put one of those tracks on the CD of the issue they were giving it away in? Off course NOT thats just too logical!
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There's so much to say, but I would like to leave you with this:
Dave Samuels is to HYPE what Ray Benzino is to The Source.
Supa!
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Dave Samuels is to HYPE what Ray Benzino is to The Source.
Supa!
Who is Dave Samuels? Did he plaster himself & a lack lustre bunch of no-bodies all over the HYPE Mag pages like Ray Benzino?
Is he the vermon that is corrupting HYPE?
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Come on t8,,, I enjoy reading foretold's childlike megalomaniac rantings. It's kind of like reading the Sun,,, you know it's stupid and wrong, but you can't help being entertained.
Anyway, I'm only complaining about Hype for their unprofessionalism and to expose Fungayi's hypocracy (when he says we should stop being bitter and get our hustle on). I've always known the mag is candy, but as a media channel it is potentially uselful for exposing the projects we are all working on. However, none of us are naive enough to believe that getting exposure in Hype mag is what is going to make or break our projects.
Quality publications and their journalists seek to establish relationships with potential content providers and maintain those relationships (btw. Zama was very cool and seemed to understand this concept). Even if for editorial reasons they decided not to use material, simple communication and honestly always goes a long way. Being pro-active is even better - 'we would have used your article if...', 'if you could get us photos of your group at live show we would...' etc etc. We're all intelligent adults trying to do business. These are very simple principles to understand.
I am still waiting to hear back from Simone Harris (simone@hypemagazine.co.za) as to why they dropped Royal Remix from the compilation. There may be an excellent reason that would make me feel like they weren't just wasting my time. Simply ignoring me is unprofessional.
foretold, just so you get a chance to bring your undoubted wit and intelligence to bear, when exactly did i 'dick ride' fungayi? I seem to recall having a civilised discussion where our views differed.
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Dave Samuels is to HYPE what Ray Benzino is to The Source.
Supa!
Who is Dave Samuels? Did he plaster himself & a lack lustre bunch of no-bodies all over the HYPE Mag pages like Ray Benzino?
Is he the vermon that is corrupting HYPE?
Dave Samuels is the son of the owner of the publishing company, Intelligence, which puts out HYPE magazine.
If you read the credits, you'll also notice that in various editions, Dave Samuels has contributed a significant portion of the editorial content of the magazine. In this last edition, for instance, he wrote 50% of the reviews - quite poorly I might add.
While I wouldn't suggest that DS's behaviour could ever plummet to the depths achieved by Benzino, I do think he has his backpack strapped on too tightly. At best in his writing, he displays a fairly blinkered view of hip-hop, at worst, he reveals that he actually doesn't really understand the music and/or its history. Furthermore, he seems to be the one responsible for inserting unnecessarily extensive features on Necro and his affiliated artists (those Non-Phixion dudes) and, in the last edition, Jedi Mind Tricks.
If I wanted fan writing, I'd visit the Non-Phixion and Jedi Mind Tricks message boards.
Supa
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hmm,,, that's interesting supa,,, always good to know about these special connections :)
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I noticed you forgot the exclamation mark on Supa! :wink:
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OH SNAP! Our very own Ray Benzino-esque affiliation 8O
All we need now is for some popular rapper (read: PROkid) to boycott HYPE & support a competing publication so we can all boycott HYPE a la Eminem vs The Source.
If 1 good thing was to come out of it its that they DID feature one of the BEST songs ever done by a Suothern African hip hop act. Certainly top 5ive Zim hip hop songs ever in "I Salute You" by the late great KingPin (R.I.P)
If you aint peeped that yet you NEED to hear it. I was blown away first time I heard it in Tonde's bedroom back in 2000!
Currently getting ma**ive love up north on the (100% local) Zimbabwean airwaves.
TONDERAI MAKONI WE SALUTE YOU!
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yo what yall peeps think about Lahzee, Thats the only track I listen to on that compilation,the rest is garbage coz I can't hear shit,its afrikaans,halla just my 2cents,their flow is cool thou
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As a magagzine! it looks like a magazine to me, got all the buisness aspects of it! The quality (paper not content), is very dope for the price, the CD(Quality not content)
For 12bucks to get both is a f***ing bargain, if the content was what you wanted, if this mag had the content that i cared about, I'd subscribe for the year.
Its simple(politics and bullshit aside) this magazine has its target market,it has to or else how will they pay they f***ing bills and continue churning more of these f***ers? its not me thats for sure, i don't have a problem with that, I fall under and represent of a very small target market that probaby would'nt support such and undertaking making finnanically not feasible to make the mag anyway, so I have no excuse to feel left out or hate on this.
The CD content?
The quality of production etc very dope and proffessional enough, in terms of sound quality, in terms of lyrics and lyrical content i dunno i kinda block lyrics that hurt my eardrums...but thats not supprising coz i listen to Hip Hop as an MC so my views are NEVER objective or fair, i think most MCs are wack (local and international! I may not be that nice myself but nigga i'm better than you! 8) f*** you and your lyrics 8) thats pretty much the reason selling music...or anything for that matter to that small taget market i pointed out earlier would be pointless.... So for such shallow thinking and jugment I lack ANY credebiity ...so i will not comment on the lyrics and lyrical content...but all I can say yeah all these
cats is rapping they know how to rap and if they have fans the fans will be happy to hear the shit.
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hmm...
anyway,
what ya'll think about the Entity track?
beat ?
lyrics?
overall impression?
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beat 6/10
lyrics 6/10
overall not dat bad,its good
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I'm one of the people who realises that soon , very soon I will have to approach this HYPE magazine to features ome of my photos and they will pay me for it.
Now , I debate the usefulness of criticizing a "BABY" in the industry of print because there are few magazines who will allow any of us the platform for exposure.HYPE is one of those magazines.
I dont know about "biting the hand that might possibly feed me".It's a possible avenue for me to market myself & further my goals so I'm going to try and get mine.
I dont know the motives for anybody hating HYPE except for what you have posted here but there are always two sides to a story.
Please,there are few enough mediums for South African channels to communicate our message - To a huge extent South African Hip Hop is still viewed as a subculture.One of the guys here said that three people are doing 90% of the writing - if I want to see the articles becoming fresh and objective and keep submitting - writing / calling /photographing until every last iota of energy has been spent.
Less dissed - more a**ist.
respect.
The Witness.
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lets hope they got the clearance from maitonde for sure
nay R.I.P KINGPIN that track is tha best from an african m.c
out
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I think the magazine was tight as usual..
But the cd..
Well..er..
What can I say about it..
Its ok though..
There are a few reasonable tracks on it and a few that are shit..
But its ok..
I really love the Lahzee one..
I cant stand the first song though..
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I think the magazine was tight as usual..
hrmph!
What was your favourite part...eh?
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I think the magazine was tight as usual..
hrmph!
What was your favourite part...eh?
Hmm...
Id have to say the whole page on Zimbabwe Legit..
Also pges 18 and 19 on the graffitti
The whole Tumi and the volume thing and definetly the thing with 5th floor..
Satisfied?