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« on: July 29, 2004, 03:44:00 AM »
I should have posted this long ago, but had things to do!
here is the transcript... for those who are interested, couldn´t make the meeting, forgot again!
FOR THOSE WITH TIME!!
16.07. 15:59:58 hiphopheadsista> hey hypo.
16.07. 16:00:04 eef_haf> JHB is in the building
16.07. 16:00:16 eef_haf> *sirens*
16.07. 16:00:27 MentalGymnast> Woop woop
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16.07. 16:01:59 MentalGymnast> what up all!
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16.07. 16:02:22 blakrok> sup!
16.07. 16:02:35 hiphopheadsista> ayt ayt.
16.07. 16:02:41 Sensai_Tate> Hiphocalypse up in herrrre!
16.07. 16:03:05 Sensai_Tate> Whats on the agenda?
16.07. 16:03:26 MentalGymnast> we wait for the stampede!
16.07. 16:03:41 Sensai_Tate> or are we waiting for some "black" people?
16.07. 16:03:54 MentalGymnast> Africanz!!
16.07. 16:04:05 hiphopheadsista> wat does sellin out mean/who is the illest/ who are you buying/production status
16.07. 16:05:09 eef_haf> I´d like to hear your views about improving our DISTRIBUTION.
16.07. 16:05:16 MentalGymnast> ummn?
16.07. 16:05:44 hiphopheadsista> wish i cud stay but i gotta go.
16.07. 16:05:56 eef_haf> Agenda: 1-Distribution, 2-?, 3-?
16.07. 16:06:25 MentalGymnast> I can´t type fast enough to keep up with your questions1
16.07. 16:06:37 eef_haf> I think we will work faster this way. i also have to bounce soon...
16.07. 16:06:44 Sensai_Tate> 2. Marketing
16.07. 16:07:13 eef_haf> cool
16.07. 16:07:19 eef_haf> 3rd and so on?
16.07. 16:07:46 MentalGymnast> ok well. the others are just expanding on the distribution
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16.07. 16:08:10 MentalGymnast> see Nthato planned to have a meeting in capetown
16.07. 16:08:29 MentalGymnast> to create a "body" to run the whole distribution network
16.07. 16:08:56 MentalGymnast> and to come up eith a solution to the distribution problem in Loacl hip Hop
16.07. 16:09:16 MentalGymnast> The ideas so far are
16.07. 16:10:19 MentalGymnast> 1-a network of people who get sent the naterials and push it. I´m not sure of the practical implimentation but everyone who wants to be pushed pushes some elses stuff
16.07. 16:12:09 MentalGymnast> 2- mail order. this is already used by certain groups but although it works it is not too practical for the average head because it requires bank deposits and ish and most people aren´t willing to go to the trouble for something
16.07. 16:12:29 MentalGymnast> that they have hardly heard (this is where Marketing comes in)
16.07. 16:14:33 MentalGymnast> this was supposed to be a session where people through around ideas which will be further developed at the meeting
16.07. 16:14:35 eef_haf> I like the Mail Order idea
16.07. 16:15:00 MentalGymnast> and to "elect" people to run the whole thing (i´m not too sure about this though)
16.07. 16:15:28 eef_haf> Just wonder how safe is it? I am usually pessimistic about SA Post.
16.07. 16:16:36 MentalGymnast> well it seems to be working for some peeps already, I think its sent with registered mail or something
16.07. 16:17:15 MentalGymnast> but it also adds alot to the cost, something like R20 to R30 more
16.07. 16:18:13 eef_haf> I see
16.07. 16:18:44 MentalGymnast> which discourages heads from buying. and most people have the same view of SA post and how many people are familiar with the Postal system? I don´t think I´ve ever received anything in the mail
16.07. 16:18:54 eef_haf> Those additional costs are not healthy.
16.07. 16:19:51 MentalGymnast> yeah another 20 bones pushes the price up to about R70 which is the price of something an a store
16.07. 16:20:15 MentalGymnast> and most people think that if its pushed on the street its not as good as something in teh store
16.07. 16:20:57 MentalGymnast> but I do think the mail order route could work if done properly
16.07. 16:21:33 MentalGymnast> like in a magazine or something
16.07. 16:21:53 eef_haf> Ok, the best idea is to have contacts all around the country.
16.07. 16:23:00 MentalGymnast> I was thinking like if a magazine or website reviews Cd´s it also has like a catalog of stuff at the back,(it also gives the Cd´s some credibility)
16.07. 16:23:04 eef_haf> We already have enough cats from CT, JHB and PE.
16.07. 16:23:29 MentalGymnast> yeah, the contacts around the country Idea seems the most viable
16.07. 16:23:34 eef_haf> which Magazine?
16.07. 16:24:03 MentalGymnast> Levitation? Hype? There´s a new one coming out in december
16.07. 16:24:21 MentalGymnast> all Hip Hop magazines (which one would say no?)
16.07. 16:24:27 eef_haf> I see
16.07. 16:24:40 MentalGymnast> and then things like teen zone
16.07. 16:25:02 MentalGymnast> anything and everything that gets read by people who might listen to Hip hop
16.07. 16:25:02 eef_haf> Yeah ofcourse, we should push for more representation in the media.
16.07. 16:25:56 eef_haf> Another thing that worries me is that there are many heads we all not considering, ie cats without internet connections...
16.07. 16:26:12 MentalGymnast> exactly and if we approach them with a serious business plan and a community responsibilty ticket (hi hop mags) they should agree
16.07. 16:26:38 MentalGymnast> well what are thinking of?
16.07. 16:27:31 eef_haf> I mean we have to use all that we have.
16.07. 16:28:55 MentalGymnast> yeah ofcourse. community radio stations should come on board (once we have a plan) Hiphocalypse, tha Cypha, HeadWarmers
16.07. 16:29:58 MentalGymnast> the problem with the network of contacts is how safe is it?
16.07. 16:30:20 MentalGymnast> I mean how do you guarantee you get your cash?
16.07. 16:30:44 MentalGymnast> it costs money to record\press CDs
16.07. 16:31:32 MentalGymnast> and if you send a couple to someone in CPT and they keep the money what can you do? get a posse and drive down?
16.07. 16:31:56 eef_haf> nah, it wont work that way
16.07. 16:32:19 MentalGymnast> there too many loopholes
16.07. 16:33:20 eef_haf> I hate involving outside forces but this will have to be contrectual if large sums of money are going to be involved.
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16.07. 16:34:14 MentalGymnast> Exactly! this is the underground, whos going to get the lawyer?
16.07. 16:35:19 Sensai_Tate> lawyers?
16.07. 16:35:19 FT> Apologies, didn´t realize isikhathi sidliwe yi-pitbull...
16.07. 16:35:34 MentalGymnast> for the contract
16.07. 16:35:42 Sensai_Tate> english please
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16.07. 16:38:02 MentalGymnast> thats why the idea of a group of people to run the whole shabang came up
16.07. 16:38:32 MentalGymnast> to ensure the whole money thing is monitored or something
16.07. 16:38:34 eef_haf> I think there is a market out there and who ever hustles will get his due.
16.07. 16:39:15 eef_haf> The group thing is dope but it needs a lot of organization.
16.07. 16:39:26 MentalGymnast> yeah, but we want the actual heads to get there due not some multi-national money-laundering corporation
16.07. 16:39:45 eef_haf> true
16.07. 16:40:13 MentalGymnast> and its difficult to organise soemthign concrete online, that why there is a need for a meeting
16.07. 16:40:32 FT> The money issue does it mean dat when push comes to shove we gonna have to dig into our own pockets? Dat is if we don´t get any help...
16.07. 16:40:51 eef_haf> yep, sorry I wont be able to make it to the meeting.
16.07. 16:41:14 MentalGymnast> fah fee why not?
16.07. 16:41:26 eef_haf> yes, cats have to dig into them pockets.
16.07. 16:41:38 MentalGymnast> well someones going to have fork out for some things somewhere along the line
16.07. 16:41:44 eef_haf> oh, I´m not in SA right now
16.07. 16:41:53 MentalGymnast> ooh
16.07. 16:41:56 FT> The meeting, with all the distance btweenb us how are we gong to pull it off?
16.07. 16:42:02 eef_haf> maybe around DEC
16.07. 16:42:02 Sensai_Tate> Me & Rob One gotta go but if anything comes of this please email/post something on the site
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16.07. 16:42:13 MentalGymnast> No doubt
16.07. 16:42:14 Sensai_Tate> Oh & dont forget to log onto the hiphocalypse website!
16.07. 16:42:20 eef_haf> 1
16.07. 16:42:25 MentalGymnast> No adverts!!
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16.07. 16:42:44 FT> So were are U based? eef
16.07. 16:43:21 MentalGymnast> well it was thought that since the Indaba is supposed to be a meeting heads from all over SA\Africa
16.07. 16:43:37 eef_haf> no FREE adverts. We can make money off them...
16.07. 16:43:57 MentalGymnast> the meeting would be there but I don´t think it draws people from all over the country
16.07. 16:44:19 MentalGymnast> True Dat, R200 a word1
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16.07. 16:45:24 FT> I thought dat evrybody would be here
16.07. 16:45:42 guest164512> same.
16.07. 16:45:51 MentalGymnast> its the second time
16.07. 16:45:54 eef_haf> Do you know I can find out about pressing costs and so on?
16.07. 16:46:30 guest164512> a whole lotta peops have logged out. this iz blakrok, by tha way.
16.07. 16:46:47 MentalGymnast> mio.co.za will give you places that do that
16.07. 16:47:03 MentalGymnast> what are you busy with?
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16.07. 16:47:42 eef_haf> I rember thabs told me it cost around 10000 rand to hook up error era. I dont remember how many copies...
16.07. 16:48:04 MentalGymnast> you from Lesotho?
16.07. 16:48:30 eraze> has this thing started.........?
16.07. 16:48:42 eef_haf> me? nah
16.07. 16:49:07 guest164512> looks like it>>eraze
16.07. 16:49:07 eef_haf> from Jozi but I am in Germany right now.
16.07. 16:49:13 FT> Here´s an idea, why don´t we try to hook up at least a comp between us and take it from there?
16.07. 16:49:24 MentalGymnast> I thought you were someone I knew.
16.07. 16:50:06 MentalGymnast> what like an Africas Gateway thing? or just a couple of peeps?
16.07. 16:50:42 MentalGymnast> eraze its been going on for a while but the wasn´t a large turnout.
16.07. 16:50:54 eraze> @#$$%&%^&
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16.07. 16:51:04 MentalGymnast> I´ll post the transcript when its all over
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16.07. 16:51:13 eraze> so wa** been sed
16.07. 16:51:19 FT> Us as in every1 who´s into this movement"...
16.07. 16:51:21 MentalGymnast> then you can see what we discussed
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16.07. 16:52:15 MentalGymnast> but we dicussed two distribution methods
16.07. 16:53:01 MentalGymnast> mail order and a network of heads pushing other people in the networks stuff and getting tehre stuff pushed the same way
16.07. 16:53:06 eraze> and ...what r they?
16.07. 16:53:44 MentalGymnast> hah type faster young paddawan
16.07. 16:53:48 eraze> that cud werk, what about that boombap..site?
16.07. 16:54:20 MentalGymnast> yeah I hope their store comes to life
16.07. 16:54:41 FT> Dat´s cool, but U see with a comp every1 involved in it will be obligated push it hard enough!
16.07. 16:54:42 MentalGymnast> because they seem interested in progressing the scene
16.07. 16:54:53 blakrok> true
16.07. 16:55:43 MentalGymnast> and it can be a big feature in distributing African Hip hop all over the continent
16.07. 16:55:47 eef_haf> thanks for the mio link!
16.07. 16:56:10 MentalGymnast> because most of the current ideas are focussed mainly on SA
16.07. 16:56:10 eef_haf> yes, eventually but we need to start small
16.07. 16:56:34 eraze> since dis is a discussion thingy, what u guys think of solo joints...i think peeps shud press mo on mix tapes...
16.07. 16:56:38 MentalGymnast> of course but we need to keep our eye on the prize
16.07. 16:57:39 eef_haf> sorry I didnt get that? solo albums on mixtapes?
16.07. 16:57:41 MentalGymnast> mixtapes are important now because not too many local hi hop joints are sold and bought and mixtapes give the entire scene more exposure than a solo joint
16.07. 16:58:51 MentalGymnast> and people who really like a specific person (and would buy the solo joint) get to find out more about a scene and still listen to their "idol"
16.07. 16:59:14 FT> Ja ai agree as undaground catz for us to get a broader xposure Mixtapes would be a good idea
16.07. 16:59:38 eraze> yeah so i think peeps shud put alot of energy in mixtapes, get peeps hooked on jip hop then from then expand into solo albums...but for now dropping a 15 track album is a waste of rhymes & time
16.07. 17:00:14 eef_haf> I dont see it as a "waste".
16.07. 17:00:14 FT> Not to mention loot
16.07. 17:00:37 MentalGymnast> and more people involved more people to push (FT)
16.07. 17:01:01 eraze> it is, man trying diverse on a n album and only reaching two peeps, is wack
16.07. 17:01:13 blakrok> clean.
16.07. 17:01:31 eef_haf> I think its a sign of maturity for our scene when cats put out solid solos
16.07. 17:01:37 eraze> trying to be diverse it mean
16.07. 17:02:13 MentalGymnast> how many do though?
16.07. 17:02:34 blakrok> but we haven´t reached that level yet, eef haf. we still gotta reach a whole lotta people for tha scene to get to that stage.
16.07. 17:03:02 blakrok> an tha best way (for now) iz tha mixtape concept.
16.07. 17:03:08 eef_haf> Another issue is how many people are making MIXtapes instead of compilations.
16.07. 17:03:08 eraze> and how many feel the sh*t is appreciated...Yo, radio stations....that the only way u can get ma** xposure,
16.07. 17:03:44 eraze> wa** the diff
16.07. 17:04:02 MentalGymnast> Mixtapes have become the name for compilations, it just sounds cooler
16.07. 17:04:31 eraze> apart from kwality...
16.07. 17:04:50 FT> There´s a lotta cats who dropped solos, I´ve been thinking dat way as well... But if a Mixtapes comes up I´ll be up for it
16.07. 17:05:37 eef_haf> Mixtapes to me is like having a DJ run things and the songs being actually mixed. Maybe I am getting too technical but it opens a can of worms on the local vinyl issue.
16.07. 17:06:07 eraze> yo what happened, to the AG mixtape
16.07. 17:06:31 eef_haf> they didnt have enough funds
16.07. 17:06:31 FT> Guys I´m sorry i gotta leave... something came up!
16.07. 17:06:37 eef_haf> 1
16.07. 17:06:47 MentalGymnast> peace
16.07. 17:07:17 MentalGymnast> you are right but we all kno vinyl doesn´t exist in SA
16.07. 17:07:25 eraze> l8r
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16.07. 17:07:37 FT> Aaight then... hope something comes outta this... peace
16.07. 17:07:43 eraze> yo u dont need alot of funds to record one...
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