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General Discussion / What about (CHUBB ROCK)? PART1
« on: July 01, 2004, 11:02:00 PM »
What about CHUBB ROCK ? Quest to increase my old school knowledge!
I want you´ll old school Heads to drop some knowledge for this yungin. Maybe you could rate his discography and let us know influential the artist was when he came out. Please!
So lets start with the chubby Chubbsta. I think he paved the way for Fat emcees like Pharoahe Monch, biggie and most recently Big Pun(rip). Really feeling "The One"...
Artist: Chubb Rock
Album: The One
Song: What´s the Word
Typed by: dj.flash@pobox.com
[Minister Farrakhan]
Mr. Bush, you better check out your OWN part
in the divine drama. You may find YOU the Devil!
[Chubb Rock]
Listen.. cause in 1990
Chubb Rock and the gang is on a banned mission
Hostility will rule like a Jamaican ??
and ooh filled with dumplings, hopefully no dumpings
like guns will be present while I keep the people jumpin
Not too much, South Africa isn´t free yet
I spoke to the kids from Brooklyn to T-Neck
New Jersey, and they heard me while I cursed the
white minority regime, painted an ill scene
Brothers and sisters over there dyin
Mandela in a cell in Robin Island
Thank God he´s out now - and while I sing
I know he has things in a full swing, yeah
This year crumb-snatcher Thatcher, we´re gonna catch her
being a klutz, her husband is a drunk putz
He acts absurd, now what´s the word?
"Johannesburg!" (2X)
"Okay okay, come on." (6X)
"If he´s the President, pullin out my Ray-Gun" -> Chuck D
[Chubb Rock]
Listen.. cause brothers and sisters
it´s time for everyone to go fishin
for your history - open a book and read
between the lines, don´t recline your mind
Sometimes I don´t know how to make it understood
that a lot of black movies have been tampered by Hollywood
So it´s important take the name and date and step
Research it yourself, cause you owe a large debt
to yourself - your history is yours to keep
.. or you won´t reap
in the benefits, don´t let Mr. Rabinuwitz
sell you something with a sing, to get blissed
Leave the rock to the Nazis, excel in Yahtzee
Be a bookworm, not a bookend, cause men
before you have died so you can taste freedom
If we can´t beat em we´ll delete em, so now
What´s the word?
"Johannesburg!" (2X)
"Okay okay, come on." (9X)
"If he´s the President, pullin out my Ray-Gun" -> Chuck D
[Chubb Rock]
Throughout history, no physical might has ever crushed
the invincible spirit of a nation
And yes we are a nation, a different coloration
But that isn´t significant - pull a ligament
while you´re standin, pumpin your fist they will miss
and crumble and remain in the cold abyss
And now it´s time for action, action is the verb
The pronoun I will say scream "What´s the word?"
Now come on.. what´s the word?!
Alright.. I´m gonna bring in the aspect
of my man Rob-n-O, the Jamaica aspect, come now
[Rob O - patois best guess]
I´m a soldier, I´m a soldier
I´m gonna chase up ?? and run down Botha
Botha betta run him betta start ??
I mash up ?? when he conquer
Your gun gonna fire, come fatter
Say it to the sky like a ball of fiyah
Jah come foot rule over ??
Gun gonna fire..
.. I´m a soldier
:-W
I want you´ll old school Heads to drop some knowledge for this yungin. Maybe you could rate his discography and let us know influential the artist was when he came out. Please!
So lets start with the chubby Chubbsta. I think he paved the way for Fat emcees like Pharoahe Monch, biggie and most recently Big Pun(rip). Really feeling "The One"...
Artist: Chubb Rock
Album: The One
Song: What´s the Word
Typed by: dj.flash@pobox.com
[Minister Farrakhan]
Mr. Bush, you better check out your OWN part
in the divine drama. You may find YOU the Devil!
[Chubb Rock]
Listen.. cause in 1990
Chubb Rock and the gang is on a banned mission
Hostility will rule like a Jamaican ??
and ooh filled with dumplings, hopefully no dumpings
like guns will be present while I keep the people jumpin
Not too much, South Africa isn´t free yet
I spoke to the kids from Brooklyn to T-Neck
New Jersey, and they heard me while I cursed the
white minority regime, painted an ill scene
Brothers and sisters over there dyin
Mandela in a cell in Robin Island
Thank God he´s out now - and while I sing
I know he has things in a full swing, yeah
This year crumb-snatcher Thatcher, we´re gonna catch her
being a klutz, her husband is a drunk putz
He acts absurd, now what´s the word?
"Johannesburg!" (2X)
"Okay okay, come on." (6X)
"If he´s the President, pullin out my Ray-Gun" -> Chuck D
[Chubb Rock]
Listen.. cause brothers and sisters
it´s time for everyone to go fishin
for your history - open a book and read
between the lines, don´t recline your mind
Sometimes I don´t know how to make it understood
that a lot of black movies have been tampered by Hollywood
So it´s important take the name and date and step
Research it yourself, cause you owe a large debt
to yourself - your history is yours to keep
.. or you won´t reap
in the benefits, don´t let Mr. Rabinuwitz
sell you something with a sing, to get blissed
Leave the rock to the Nazis, excel in Yahtzee
Be a bookworm, not a bookend, cause men
before you have died so you can taste freedom
If we can´t beat em we´ll delete em, so now
What´s the word?
"Johannesburg!" (2X)
"Okay okay, come on." (9X)
"If he´s the President, pullin out my Ray-Gun" -> Chuck D
[Chubb Rock]
Throughout history, no physical might has ever crushed
the invincible spirit of a nation
And yes we are a nation, a different coloration
But that isn´t significant - pull a ligament
while you´re standin, pumpin your fist they will miss
and crumble and remain in the cold abyss
And now it´s time for action, action is the verb
The pronoun I will say scream "What´s the word?"
Now come on.. what´s the word?!
Alright.. I´m gonna bring in the aspect
of my man Rob-n-O, the Jamaica aspect, come now
[Rob O - patois best guess]
I´m a soldier, I´m a soldier
I´m gonna chase up ?? and run down Botha
Botha betta run him betta start ??
I mash up ?? when he conquer
Your gun gonna fire, come fatter
Say it to the sky like a ball of fiyah
Jah come foot rule over ??
Gun gonna fire..
.. I´m a soldier
:-W
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General Discussion / Problem UKHIP_HOP
« on: July 01, 2004, 10:40:00 PM »| Quote: |
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No doubt sometimes I feel like this about SA... :-(
Edit: But Dizzy will mos def Blow. The next Slick Rick! Someone like timbaland could sign him or something...
[ This message was edited by: eef_haf on 01-07-2004 15:43 ]
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General Discussion / Authentic African Hip Hop Sound
« on: July 01, 2004, 10:37:00 PM »
The Kwaito vs Hiphop thing strays from what we are discussing but we can use it to analyse things further in this tired (but important) debate.
I´ll would say Kwaito and Hiphop HAVE something in common because Kwaito was no doubt influenced by Hiphop(US Hiphop and south african) and Ragga. Remember Kwaito is only like 10years old and even know is still trying to define its identity.
The difference is that Kwaito is almost purely Dance music. Hiphop also started as Dance music at the block parties (why do you think Africa Baambatta is comfortable playing techno? And what song does does Planet Rock sample?) and back then the Dj was more important. Ofcourse this all changed around Melle Mel´s time and we now know hiphop as a MC-focused, complex-rhyme scheme music. This is NOT an insult to anyones intelligence because as Hiphop heads I know that you already know all this! Neither am I suggesting that Kwaito will transform from a simple dance/club/a**-shaking music into a definite sub-culture like hiphop has.
There are annoying Cats like TKzee who bite Jay-Z , then diverge attention from their scandalous ways turn around and diss Local hiphop by calling it fake! Come on that´s ridiculous! What´s even worse is that we get people from oorkant like atlanta´s DJ Drama(I think he was on Y, khoi?) who visit South Africa and fail to see a difference between Tokollo and a serious mc. And people like Tokz are at that point happy to be labeled and packaged as South-African-Hiphop because it is convinient for business and forget the ish that they were saying. This is why we need to define what Kwaito is and what local Hiphop is, as C pointed out.
like I said Kwaito is dance music and hiphop is for listening and for the message(well fundamentally). There´s no need to be confusing the two. Unfortunately our everseas brethren dont help when they send people like Jarule and call them HIPHOP Superstars when you know they will be chilling with 999 and dont care who POC is/was. It just shows how hiphop is being exploited at all levels and not just in South Africa.
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I´ll would say Kwaito and Hiphop HAVE something in common because Kwaito was no doubt influenced by Hiphop(US Hiphop and south african) and Ragga. Remember Kwaito is only like 10years old and even know is still trying to define its identity.
The difference is that Kwaito is almost purely Dance music. Hiphop also started as Dance music at the block parties (why do you think Africa Baambatta is comfortable playing techno? And what song does does Planet Rock sample?) and back then the Dj was more important. Ofcourse this all changed around Melle Mel´s time and we now know hiphop as a MC-focused, complex-rhyme scheme music. This is NOT an insult to anyones intelligence because as Hiphop heads I know that you already know all this! Neither am I suggesting that Kwaito will transform from a simple dance/club/a**-shaking music into a definite sub-culture like hiphop has.
There are annoying Cats like TKzee who bite Jay-Z , then diverge attention from their scandalous ways turn around and diss Local hiphop by calling it fake! Come on that´s ridiculous! What´s even worse is that we get people from oorkant like atlanta´s DJ Drama(I think he was on Y, khoi?) who visit South Africa and fail to see a difference between Tokollo and a serious mc. And people like Tokz are at that point happy to be labeled and packaged as South-African-Hiphop because it is convinient for business and forget the ish that they were saying. This is why we need to define what Kwaito is and what local Hiphop is, as C pointed out.
like I said Kwaito is dance music and hiphop is for listening and for the message(well fundamentally). There´s no need to be confusing the two. Unfortunately our everseas brethren dont help when they send people like Jarule and call them HIPHOP Superstars when you know they will be chilling with 999 and dont care who POC is/was. It just shows how hiphop is being exploited at all levels and not just in South Africa.
1
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General Discussion / dizee rascal
« on: July 01, 2004, 02:23:00 AM »
I´m feeling that Dizee track "DO IT". "sometimes I wish I can sleep forever!", yeah dude got some skill.
The beats are kinda weird but they work and he rides them well. His voice and Jamaican-London accents still cracks me: "dat wad I´ma say, Pease to a Djay Semtex, Pease to Wally, Innit, Innit(aint it)?" :-]
"Innit?"
The beats are kinda weird but they work and he rides them well. His voice and Jamaican-London accents still cracks me: "dat wad I´ma say, Pease to a Djay Semtex, Pease to Wally, Innit, Innit(aint it)?" :-]
"Innit?"
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General Discussion / Authentic African Hip Hop Sound
« on: June 30, 2004, 10:27:00 PM »| Quote: |
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Its eleven official, the are many more languages spoken in SA.
But another point is English is not even the most common language in South Africa. So it depends who you are trying to get your message to.
I have a solution, lets all rap in "Fanakalo"! Or since there is so much crime in South Africa I think we all know "Tsotsie Taal" by now!
Hey Khoi I heard the new Method Man is the whackest def jam album this decade. I warned you :-]
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General Discussion / L. Banks aka #1DRaft Pick aka Punchline Galore
« on: June 30, 2004, 10:14:00 PM »
corny, but funny.
this is the funniest, on Popping them Things(GUNIT)
LLOYD BANKS:
[Chorus]
[Verse Two: Lloyd Banks]
Slow down punk nigga, don´t exceed your speed
Cause I will put G´s on your fitted like the Negro League:-]
I got connects, I don´t need no weed
I been in L.A. for a year now, so I don´t see no seeds
After I´m done, you clap in a crew
Hell yeah I f*** fans, guess what, your favorite rapper does too
(YEA!) In a minute I´ma have the jeweler makin my rims spin
My crew run wild like the Jamaicans in Kingston
Nuttin but bling bling in your face boy; that´s why my neck shine
like one of the shirts that Puffy and Mase wore (AHH)
I done found a nympho as soon as I pop a broad
She had my balls, head first like a soccer star:-] :-]
You can only stand next to the man if you proper
That take care of birds like an animal doctor
I been out and buzzin, niggaz just slept on me
So I´m out for revenge like one of Bin Laden cousins:-]
otherwise GUnit sucks
this is the funniest, on Popping them Things(GUNIT)
LLOYD BANKS:
[Chorus]
[Verse Two: Lloyd Banks]
Slow down punk nigga, don´t exceed your speed
Cause I will put G´s on your fitted like the Negro League:-]
I got connects, I don´t need no weed
I been in L.A. for a year now, so I don´t see no seeds
After I´m done, you clap in a crew
Hell yeah I f*** fans, guess what, your favorite rapper does too
(YEA!) In a minute I´ma have the jeweler makin my rims spin
My crew run wild like the Jamaicans in Kingston
Nuttin but bling bling in your face boy; that´s why my neck shine
like one of the shirts that Puffy and Mase wore (AHH)
I done found a nympho as soon as I pop a broad
She had my balls, head first like a soccer star:-] :-]
You can only stand next to the man if you proper
That take care of birds like an animal doctor
I been out and buzzin, niggaz just slept on me
So I´m out for revenge like one of Bin Laden cousins:-]
otherwise GUnit sucks
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General Discussion / The Crates 2nd Remix Contest
« on: June 30, 2004, 10:05:00 PM »| Quote: |
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what a mixup, I know you are aware that´s a gospel choir and on VisionsOfGandhi Vinnie has miraculious transformed from the crusader VBD into an islamic fundamentalist! ha ha
bring it on
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General Discussion / Authentic African Hip Hop Sound
« on: June 30, 2004, 09:57:00 PM »
Stereotyping limits a true artist. Strictly sticking to categories like Backpack Rap, Nerd Rap, Conscious Rap, East New York Rap, African Rap, etc can actually be frustrating to the artists thrown in that box when they are capable of doing much more than that. Some people of course love to stick to these "boxes" because of it makes life easier as they dont have to be more creative, more diverse, etc. Also, these boxes make it easier for the consumer because then they can segregate a type of style from another. For example DJ Premier is from Texas, Dirty South but uses his talent to represent a New York sound, who is complaining about that?
So now there appears to be a need for a South African Hiphop Sound for Industry reasons as marketing to a non-hiphop south african crowd, for segregation when the local scene starts competing global, etc.
Does the South African Hiphop think such a new definition of sound and rules is necessary? Probably not. People have been doing this ish for mad long to suddenly have this grand enlightingment and change of heart. People have been rocking a South African flavour or even better a flavour from South Africa for a long time already. For example, look at Ismael´s musical role in POC and the references in their(POC) lyrics to their environment.
What is also true though is that mcs who are rapping in their languages have for a very long time been looked down upon by their more sophisticated peers. For some time, cats rapping in the other OFFICIAL Languages have been Under- the Underground.
Suddenly there is an industry demand for vernac Rap songs due to the breakthrough of artists like H2O and the popularity of songs using this style, eg. MDU´s "Bab´uGoverment", Zola, Amu.
This means several things... First the artists from the under-underground, now have their deserved recognition and also their "revenge" for being looked down upon for being backwardly, tribal, simple, etc.
After the failure of American-accent player rappers and other Puff daddy clones, this development is great news for the SA Industry because now they can exploit this interest in languages by flooding the market with vernac copycats and make cash while they keep it real.
This will happen, the industry has no interest in the definition of a new South African sound unless it translates to profit! Skwatta are currently (smartly) riding the crest of this "interest" wave by the cd buying public.
So we are selling units, building a market and finally Abomrapper(Rappers) can walk through Alexandra and Thokoza Townships without being touted and hara**ed by house music playing gangsters and mothers alike as baggyjeanwearing-confused-uncultured-american-copycats. In short hiphop is getting its respect so why aren`t we all with this development?
The 2 extremes: One side is saying we should celebrate being African, be self-sufficient, stop being zombies of the western world, be real & have our own sound. The other is saying no there is no need for this radicalism, hiphop is doing what you like, hiphop is worldwide etc.
I agree for a people locked down for as long as we have, we need to celebrate what we still have and find our own solutions for our future on our land but there is a THIN line between us celebrating who we are and the negative extremes of Nationalism, Tribalism, Racism and the fore-mentioned, Xenophobia.
Mostly I think we are on the same page. Just dont allow outsiders who have no interests in hiphop meddle with it. As for African Unity, we all know its BIGGER THAN HIPHOP. As Africans we should connect and improve at all levels but I agree meeting at a hiphop cypher is a good start.
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So now there appears to be a need for a South African Hiphop Sound for Industry reasons as marketing to a non-hiphop south african crowd, for segregation when the local scene starts competing global, etc.
Does the South African Hiphop think such a new definition of sound and rules is necessary? Probably not. People have been doing this ish for mad long to suddenly have this grand enlightingment and change of heart. People have been rocking a South African flavour or even better a flavour from South Africa for a long time already. For example, look at Ismael´s musical role in POC and the references in their(POC) lyrics to their environment.
What is also true though is that mcs who are rapping in their languages have for a very long time been looked down upon by their more sophisticated peers. For some time, cats rapping in the other OFFICIAL Languages have been Under- the Underground.
Suddenly there is an industry demand for vernac Rap songs due to the breakthrough of artists like H2O and the popularity of songs using this style, eg. MDU´s "Bab´uGoverment", Zola, Amu.
This means several things... First the artists from the under-underground, now have their deserved recognition and also their "revenge" for being looked down upon for being backwardly, tribal, simple, etc.
After the failure of American-accent player rappers and other Puff daddy clones, this development is great news for the SA Industry because now they can exploit this interest in languages by flooding the market with vernac copycats and make cash while they keep it real.
This will happen, the industry has no interest in the definition of a new South African sound unless it translates to profit! Skwatta are currently (smartly) riding the crest of this "interest" wave by the cd buying public.
So we are selling units, building a market and finally Abomrapper(Rappers) can walk through Alexandra and Thokoza Townships without being touted and hara**ed by house music playing gangsters and mothers alike as baggyjeanwearing-confused-uncultured-american-copycats. In short hiphop is getting its respect so why aren`t we all with this development?
The 2 extremes: One side is saying we should celebrate being African, be self-sufficient, stop being zombies of the western world, be real & have our own sound. The other is saying no there is no need for this radicalism, hiphop is doing what you like, hiphop is worldwide etc.
I agree for a people locked down for as long as we have, we need to celebrate what we still have and find our own solutions for our future on our land but there is a THIN line between us celebrating who we are and the negative extremes of Nationalism, Tribalism, Racism and the fore-mentioned, Xenophobia.
Mostly I think we are on the same page. Just dont allow outsiders who have no interests in hiphop meddle with it. As for African Unity, we all know its BIGGER THAN HIPHOP. As Africans we should connect and improve at all levels but I agree meeting at a hiphop cypher is a good start.
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Hip Hop Events / Time Out Lonehill Tuesday 29th June
« on: June 29, 2004, 07:27:00 PM »
^^ ha ha
Is this Time Out Lonehill thing open around December? or are you´ll also packing bags and heading Homelands then? :-|
Is this Time Out Lonehill thing open around December? or are you´ll also packing bags and heading Homelands then? :-|
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Media / HYPE MAGAZINE IN STORES
« on: June 29, 2004, 07:10:00 PM »| Quote: |
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Had to quote that^^.
It all comes down to something a lot of rappers say but never do: "KEEP IT REAL". If some guys practised what they preach, then we would not have a conflict in the music that we do and failing to represent who we are and our natural habitat.
We been through this many times before and there will be more debates around this in the future. I can only say that I am glad that rappers who represent in their mother tongues or whatever language in their multilingual repertoire are not looked down upon as they once were just few years ago during the punchline-craze-phase.
HIPHOP IS FOR EVERYONE!
Hiphop has many styles and they should all have fair exposure. Rocking in an indigenous language automatically makes a song South African but it does not make it Dope or Relevant.
As far as I know Zubz is dope, has made songs I can relate to, so I hope it was just a misunderstanding with Khoi.
peace
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General Discussion / The Crates 2nd Remix Contest
« on: June 29, 2004, 04:02:00 AM »
I am most discouraged by this monumental task. At first its almost impossible trying to replicate the magic of Right&Exact. We are talking about one of the best beats ever here, mayne! :-Y
we will see
we will see
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Hot Traxxx / kata-klizm
« on: June 28, 2004, 10:38:00 PM »
^^ Props to Meta, representing african hiphop worldwide. Maybe you can convince Rza to do a A.A.R. next time around. Can we see you hooking with Berlins Sido? ha ha
What up with the site?
Gruß
fahfee
What up with the site?
Gruß
fahfee