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General Discussion / Re: Gareth Cliff's Letter
« on: October 25, 2010, 07:50:41 PM »
dude. mn!
as a question of interest, lets play a 94 scenario, what kind of transition would you have structured, to get to this end where we have a non-corrupt system leading to non corrupt government?
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^^^ one that says no to protecting land that is all in white hands, no to paying off the apartheid debt, relations with the west at our terms or no relations at all and one tha would eventually usher in a Black socialist state.
Sadly but not suprisingly, The president has given dude man his ear for the letter, now ims sure there's plenty of Black people who've said a lot of stuff but never got this.
No offence intended but I'm sure some will be taken anyway so whatever, but I think the a**umption that there exists a transition that could definitely lead to a non-corrupt system & non-corrupt government is flawed as f***.
Every possible system of regime change has been tried and none has reliably demonstrated a positive outcome.
The alternative to the relatively peaceful transition we got would've been revolution, cos we didnt get a revolution, that would have meant a complete destruction of all existing institutions & starting from scratch... that wasnt seen as a viable option by the ANC and its struggle partners cos they didnt represent an actual military threat and they knew it. It would've been a case of Palestine vs Israel. Also the struggle in exile wasnt big enough to provide all the expertise required to maintain economic viability, food security, civilian rule of law etc.
You're looking at thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands more innocent people dead, also in order to even slightly effectively challenge the very well trained and resourced SA Army at the time would've meant help from their friends the USSR and Angola, and if military personnel from another country had crossed into this country which still had sovereignty in the eyes of the international community, then expect the US at least and possibly others to jump in on the side of the Apartheid gov, thats just what we would've needed.
I'm not saying we should be happy with what we got or that what we got is great and not f***ed up, but there are lots of lovely ideals and dreams of the perfect country according to the individuals ideology but Sosiba name me one successfully functioning socialist state (regardless of its racial split) and/or one functioning prosperous state with no relationship with the international community.
I know you said west, but do you seriously think the east embodied in China are our friends and saviours?
And you cant call China on either of those points becos they had nearly half a century of grinding poverty and frightening levels of corruption until the capitalist policy shifts which have made it the rising superpower it is today, and without the world to sell to China wouldn't have shit.