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i cant consider myself to have an album of a artist if i dont have the original i dont know i just cant how many collectors out here?

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Hot Traxxx / Ultragmagnetic mcees for free
« on: January 05, 2006, 07:02:54 PM »
couldnt believe that shit when dude on ebay said he will give it to me ha ha just cos im from africa

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Chief Rocka - Open Mic / Dirkie De vos Live on Bayfm
« on: December 21, 2005, 06:59:40 AM »
dude rocked by dropped some afrikaans shit peep it out

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General Discussion / The History of SA
« on: December 20, 2005, 06:12:24 AM »
i read this found it very interesting

What's in a (South African) name?
Sharon Marshall

23 December 2004

Saddled with the burden of apartheid and colonial-slanted textbooks, South Africans have tended to take their identities from their political leanings. But "mixed marriages" are as old as South Africa itself. As the meaning of democracy dawns, more people are finding family tree research the key to understanding their own heritages.

The first written records of births, deaths and marriages, imcomplete though they are, came with Dutchman Jan van Riebeeck in 1652, when he set out to establish a way station at the Cape of Good Hope with the aid of Robben Island.

The case of the Khoi interpreter
Perhaps the most representative of the mix of South African ancestry lines dating from those early days is the marriage of Krotoa, a Khoi interpreter who worked for Van Riebeeck and married a colleague of his, Danish explorer Pieter Meerhof.

Burdened with the double obligation of fitting into European society and being loyal to her own people, Krotoa's life was made even harder when Meerhof was seconded to Robben Island as superintendent.

SA family history on the Web - Family history research has become far more accessible (and addictive) since the advent of the Internet. Sharon Marshall offers a primer of sites for South African amateur genies.  
 
Left as one of only two women on the island when her husband was killed on a slaving expedition, and shunned by both societies, Krotoa succumbed to depression and an alcohol-related death, but left behind at least eight children, the descendants of one of whom was the progenitor of the Zaaiman family in South Africa.

Some of them went on to become key figures from all spectrums - including white ex-premiers Paul Kruger, Jan Smuts and FW de Klerk.

Slave routes, slave roots
Then came the slaves: in 1658 the first two boatloads - one from Angola and one from west Africa - arrived, and some of these went on to marry Dutch citizens of the Cape or bear children by them after intermarriage became outlawed.

One couple, Anna and Evert, who were purchased by the Dutch from African slave lords in Benin in 1658, produced a daughter who went on to have a son by prosperous Dutchman Bastiaan Colyn. Her son, Johannes, married a descendant of the wealthy Cloete family and purchased De Hoop op Constantia, still one of the finest estates in the Cape.

After west Africa was declared out of bounds, the Dutch East India Company began bringing in slaves from the east - either from their base in Djakarta or China, Sri Lanka or India, often with Arabs as middlemen. The first boatloads arrived in 1681, and by 1730 they had extended their operations to include the Mascarenes, Mozambique and Zanzibar, with Portuguese colonists as middlemen.

With only 19 European women and 100 white free burghers at the Cape in 1677, most 13th generation South Africans with colonial ancestry have at least one slave ancestor from these parts. Though European female numbers increased 30 years later, slave women were often favoured for their beauty, and many became the ancestral mothers (or stammoeders) of generations of families in South Africa.

Angela of Bengal
Before the first official slave consignments had been sanctioned, Angela of Bengal (or Maaij Ansela) was bought by Jan van Riebeeck, the founder of the Dutch colony, was resold and freed by her master. She then married Arnoldus Willemsz Bason, and became the stammoeder of the Ba**on family in South Africa.

SA roots in literature: new reviews - The dawn of the new SA spawned a new quest for ancestral roots and the "real" story of how "the Rainbow Nation" got here - topics covered in an increasingly wide range of literature. Sharon Marshall reviews a selection of the latest offerings.  
 
Through marriages of her children, Maaij (or Mooi, Beautiful) Ansela is also the stammoeder of the Bergh and Van As families. One of her descendants was Voortrekker leader Andries Pretorius, who married Anna Retief, niece of slain trekboer Piet.

In 1692, four of the 34 Cape Town free burghers had ex-slave wives, but according to "Cape Town, Making of a City", compiled by Nigel Worden et al, this mestizo culture was gradually discouraged by the ruling Dutch, although this did not discourage illicit affairs - and illegitimate children borne out of such unions.

One well-researched case is that of Isabella of Angola, who had children by a Dutchman thought to be Cornelis Claa**en.

One of Isabella's children is believed to be Armosyn van de Kaap, who became matron of the Slave Lodge and went on to have a daughter by a European. Armosyn's daughter later married German soldier Hermann Combrink, the stamvader of that prolific dual-hued family in South Africa.

Often the only ticket for freedom for slave women - or their children - was through marriage to a white man. In terms of a 1685 decree, male halfslag Company slaves of European ancestry were permitted to buy their freedom at 25, females at 22, provided they had been confirmed in the Dutch Reformed Church and could speak Dutch. Because of this, many Muslims officially converted religions, providing yet another marriage barrier.

Other Easterners taken as slaves were Muslim political leaders who objected to Dutch domination in the East Indies, perhaps the most well-known being Shaykh Yusuf, whose kramat near Faure is today an important pilgrimage destination for South African Muslims.

It is still not known whether Yusuf's remains lie in the tomb or were transported back to Maca**ar, as the Dutch government reported, but some of his descendants did remain. One of his grandsons married Marie Jordaan, whose origins were in France.

The Huguenots
In 1688, a new influence brought with it another European aspect to the cultural kaleidoscope: the first French Huguenot Protestants escaping Catholic persecution in France were brought out by the Dutch.

Settling the area now known as Franschhoek, many of the Huguenots owned slaves to cultivate the winelands, and half-caste children, born mainly out of wedlock, were among the unfortunates who produced children who failed to pa** the apartheid government's pencil test over two centuries later.

By the early 1700s Dutch farmers had started moving inland. Though they were not officially allowed to be enslaved, Xhosa and Khoi were employed by the Dutch under conditions often equivalent to slavery, and inter-breeding among all three continued, often in the capacity of mistress or cuckold.

1820 settlers, shipwreck survivors
In 1795, the British occupied the Cape for the first time, and after losing it to the Dutch again in 1803, seized it as their own in 1806. With the British occupation came the impoverished 1820 settlers, who were sent to help wrest land from the Xhosa in the Eastern Cape and the Zulu in KwaZulu-Natal.

One of the better-known of these settlers to cross the racial divide was Henry Fynn, who befriended Zulu King Shaka and fathered children by many Zulu wives.

Other English names which crop up regularly in the history of the Wild Coast, traditionally the home of the Pondo, are King and Cane, explorers who lived among the local tribes.

Shipwreck survivors through the centuries have also produced many a blue-eyed black child in the area. In his book "The Caliban Shore", Stephen Taylor describes the meeting of survivors from The Grosvenor with an escaped Cape slave who had made his home on the Eastern frontier, an indication of other possible influences in tribal ancestry.

Inter-tribal marriage was another influence, as Shaka absorbed smaller tribes in his quest for dominance.

With British rule came the banning of slave importation in 1807, but boatloads of "prize negroes", slaves secured by the government from illegal slave ships, were still introduced into the colony as cheap labour. A number of British settlers married Madagascans and Mauritians imported in this way.

St Helena servants
In 1834, slavery was officially abolished, and mission stations dotted around the Cape absorbed many of those left jobless by the system.

Another much-contested scheme to compensate for the loss of slave labour saw a wave of St Helena servants imported, which continued to the end of the 19th century. A large portion of Cape Town's Cape Flats today is the product of intermarriages, and many can remember their St Helena ancestors being broken by the system which crushed their progress with forced removals in the 1960s.

For brief spells between frontier wars, there was relative peace among the many nations of the land, but it was not long before the Boer Dutch farmers grew unhappy with their lot under British rule without slaves, and headed north.

By the time of the South African (or Anglo-Boer) War in 1899, after the diamond rush and the discovery of gold, Boers had married Brits, who had followed the original settlers in droves, both had married across the colour line, and slaves had married Khoi and Bantu.

Walter Sisulu, Simon van der Stel
Though marriage across the colour line was outlawed, it was little deterrent to those with soul aspirations. Perhaps the most well-known and most ironic product of such unions was ANC stalwart and pragmatic long-time adviser and friend of Nelson Mandela throughout his exile on Robben Island, Walter Sisulu, born in 1912 in Qutubeni, Transkei.

Though he had little to do with him, Sisulu's white father, Albert Dickinson, a Port Elizabeth government worker, went on to have another child by his mother, Alice. They never officially married, and Walter took on his mother's surname, adding Max Ulyate as his middle names. Though it has not been explored, the name Ulyate was a surname of a prominent family of 1820 settlers.

It only takes a trip or two out of Cape Town to be reminded just how much craziness the system bred. Simonstown, a naval base and popular tourist spot, and Stellenbosch, the home of the Afrikaans language, are just two of the many spots named after Dutch governor Simon van Der Stel, who set about seizing land from the Khoi on his arrival in 1679.

Though Van der Stel is widely accepted as being the greedy progenitor of apartheid whose sprawling, slave-worked estates were the elite homes of generations of Afrikaners, a little-known fact is that Van der Stel, born in Mauritius, was probably just a generation away from slavery.

It is almost certain that his grandmother was from the south coast of India, and evidence shows that he and his sister covered up their mother's origin in order to be given white status when they emigrated to Holland. The only proven picture of the man disappeared in 1934, but another which is thought to be his portrait shows an arguably Eastern demeanour.

As veteran genealogist Hans Heese, himself a white descendant of Krotoa, puts it in his book "Die Herkoms van die Afrikaner 1657-1867", the modern-day white Afrikaner is of 34% Dutch, 33% German, 13% French, 6.9% coloured and 5% British origin - a formidable array of genes for the South African genealogist to contend with.

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Hot Traxxx / Windy city breakers revenge
« on: December 17, 2005, 06:03:54 PM »

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Hot Traxxx / Definition Baroque
« on: December 07, 2005, 06:01:47 AM »
dude nice on the beats P.E/Sweden representer

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Producers - Discussion / Hip hop pantsula
« on: December 03, 2005, 07:54:33 PM »
why do peopel say they hip hop? listening to metro now and firstly dude dont jack beats thats some old shit right there and the vibe is kwaito i dont know what u peeps feel on AG but i def get that kwaito vibe its like a old will smith rhyme patern.somehow i feel metro is only pushing certain people have you noticed its always the same people

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General Discussion / Aids and the Hip hop communities role
« on: December 02, 2005, 05:58:05 PM »
today had a grippin session with a woman thats a aids activist Diane Lang this is a democratic south africa or should i say so called.most hip hoppers dont care bout issues in our socities anymore we only concerned bout tight lines.there will be no hip hopers left at the rate that our nation is gettin infected.For a white woman she really stole my heart man,just thought  another white person here to babble.anybody ever heard of Middleburg eastern cape?this woman raises about 50 aids kids the amount of racisicm this woman endured from whites there cos she bringing k******s and hotnots in "there" community.the town has a unemployment rate of about 90 % and about 70 % of the population is infected with aids.she showed us pictures of the kids gurls about 7 years old thats being raped the local authorities dont care and who at the end of the day is the people thats empowered to make change its those people in power in government.Now lets face the facts our country is becoming lawless yes i said lawless and thats no punchline.Im saying down with corrupt officials.Politicks have become nothing but money those people dont care bout us "The people shall not govenrn anymore.i think we have sold out and becoming part of the network. Africa is dying slowly

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Hot Traxxx / Hip hop and ignorance
« on: November 21, 2005, 07:16:05 AM »
dont ya hate these kids comin nto hip hop now and dissing pioneers we played Whodini-friends yesterday and some kid sayin what wack stuff is that.i stopped trying to seek for heads cos a head will respect not only hip hop but all musical genres except kwaito ha ha

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Humour / Jokes / showing Love to the BEP
« on: November 19, 2005, 01:28:06 PM »
got mad love for these cats lyrically they not tight but they got a vibe and they were b-boys so they know how to cater for the b-boys

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Chief Rocka - Open Mic / Ebayin
« on: November 19, 2005, 12:32:17 AM »
anybody ever ordered on Ebay im biddin 15 min to go album is whodini-escape 6 dollars cla**ic wish me luck

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Hot Traxxx / Local hour
« on: November 15, 2005, 07:29:09 AM »
http://s20.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3E389IWSUR7ZH16F8VYDNV3GLR  

the local hour on The present testament

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Media / Wrestling fans Eddie Guerrero died
« on: November 13, 2005, 07:55:56 PM »
just read on some site i never liked wresting but i know there some heads that love that shit

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Media / Stetsasonic
« on: November 12, 2005, 11:17:20 PM »
i got the wrong disk wanted on fire but got in full gear all i can say sick album been listening to it over and over

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Politics / New Qwel
« on: November 11, 2005, 06:18:44 AM »
sick shit track number 2 my joint i love Qwel

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