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Sales of Rap Albums Take Stunning Nosedive
Thursday , March 01, 2007

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NEW YORK —

Maybe it was the umpteenth coke-dealing anthem or soft-pron music video. Perhaps it was the preening antics that some call reminiscent of Stepin Fetchit.

The turning point is hard to pinpoint. But after 30 years of growing popularity, rap music is now struggling with an alarming sales decline and growing criticism from within about the culture's negative effect on society.

Rap insider Chuck Creekmur, who runs the leading Web site Allhiphop.com, says he got a message from a friend recently "asking me to hook her up with some Red Hot Chili Peppers because she said she's through with rap. A lot of people are sick of rap ... the negativity is just over the top now."

The rapper Nas, considered one of the greats, challenged the condition of the art form when he titled his latest album "Hip-Hop is Dead." It's at least ailing, according to recent statistics: Though music sales are down overall, rap sales slid a whopping 21 percent from 2005 to 2006, and for the first time in 12 years no rap album was among the top 10 sellers of the year. A recent study by the Black Youth Project showed a majority of youth think rap has too many violent images. In a poll of black Americans by The a**ociated Press and AOL-Black Voices last year, 50 percent of respondents said hip-hop was a negative force in American society.

Nicole Duncan-Smith grew up on rap, worked in the rap industry for years and is married to a hip-hop producer. She still listens to rap, but says it no longer speaks to or for her. She wrote the children's book "I Am Hip-Hop" partly to create something positive about rap for young children, including her 4-year-old daughter.

"I'm not removed from it, but I can't really tell the difference between Young Jeezy and Yung Joc. It's the same dumb stuff to me," says Duncan-Smith, 33. "I can't listen to that nonsense ... I can't listen to another black man talk about you don't come to the 'hood anymore and ghetto revivals ... I'm from the 'hood. How can you tell me you want to revive it? How about you want to change it? Rejuvenate it?"

Hip-hop also seems to be increasingly blamed for a variety of social ills. Studies have attempted to link it to everything from teen drug use to increased sexual activity among young girls.

Even the mayhem that broke out in Las Vegas during last week's NBA All-Star Game was blamed on hip-hoppers. "(NBA Commissioner) David Stern seriously needs to consider moving the event out of the country for the next couple of years in hopes that young, hip-hop hoodlums would find another event to terrorize," columnist Jason Whitlock, who is black, wrote on AOL.

While rap has been in essence pop music for years, and most rap consumers are white, some worry that the black community is suffering from hip-hop — from the way America perceives blacks to the attitudes and images being adopted by black youth.

But the rapper David Banner derides the growing criticism as blacks joining America's attack on young black men who are only reflecting the crushing problems within their communities. Besides, he says, that's the kind of music America wants to hear.

"Look at the music that gets us popular — 'Like a Pimp,'," says Banner, naming his hit.

"What makes it so difficult is to know that we need to be doing other things. But the truth is at least us talking about what we're talking about, we can bring certain things to the light," he says. "They want (black artists) to shuck and jive, but they don't want us to tell the real story because they're connected to it."

Criticism of hip-hop is certainly nothing new — it's as much a part of the culture as the beats and rhymes. Among the early accusations were that rap wasn't true music, its lyrics were too raw, its street message too polarizing. But they rarely came from the youthful audience itself, which was enraptured with genre that defined them as none other could.

"As people within the hip-hop generation get older, I think the criticism is increasing," says author Bakari Kitwana, who is currently part of a lecture tour titled "Does Hip-Hop Hate Women?"

"There was a more of a tendency when we were younger to be more defensive of it," he adds.

During her '90s crusade against rap's habit of degrading women, the late black activist C. Dolores Tucker certainly had few allies within the hip-hop community, or even among young black women. Backed by folks like conservative Republican William Bennett, Tucker was vilified within rap circles.

In retrospect, "many of us weren't listening," says Tracy Denean Sharpley-Whiting, a professor at Vanderbilt University and author of the new book "Pimps Up, Ho's Down: Hip-Hop's Hold On Young Black Women."

"She was onto something, but most of us said, 'They're not calling me a bitch, they're not talking about me, they're talking about THOSE women.' But then it became clear that, you know what? Those women can be any women."

One rap fan, Bryan Hunt, made the searing documentary "Hip-Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes," which debuted on PBS this month. Hunt addresses the biggest criticisms of rap, from its treatment of women to the glorification of the gangsta lifestyle that has become the default posture for many of today's most popular rappers.

"I love hip-hop," Hunt, 36, says in the documentary. "I sometimes feel bad for criticizing hip-hop, but I want to get us men to take a look at ourselves."

Even dances that may seem innocuous are not above the fray. Last summer, as the "Chicken Noodle Soup" song and accompanying dance became a sensation, Baltimore Sun pop critic Rashod D. Ollison mused that the dance — demonstrated in the video by young people stomping wildly from side to side — was part of the growing minstrelization of rap music.

"The music, dances and images in the video are clearly reminiscent of the era when pop culture reduced blacks to caricatures: lazy 'coons,' grinning 'pickaninnies,' sexually super-charged 'bucks,"' he wrote.

And then there's the criminal aspect that has long been a part of rap. In the '70s, groups may have rapped about drug dealing and street violence, but rap stars weren't the embodiment of criminals themselves. Today, the most popular and successful rappers boast about who has murdered more foes and rhyme about dealing drugs as breezily as other artists sing about love.

Creekmur says music labels have overfed the public on gangsta rap, obscuring artists who represent more positive and varied aspects of black life, like Talib Kweli, Common and Lupe Fiasco.

"It boils down to a complete lack of balance, and whenever there's a complete lack of balance people are going to reject it, whether it's positive or negative," Creekmur says.

Yet Banner says there's a reason why acts like KRS-One and Public Enemy don't sell anymore. He recalled that even his own fans rebuffed positive songs he made — like "Cadillac on 22s," about staying away from street life — in favor of songs like "Like a Pimp."

"The American public had an opportunity to pick what they wanted from David Banner," he says. "I wish America would just be honest. America is sick. ... America loves violence and sex."

Link to the original article: http://www.foxnews.com/printer_frien...255606,00.html


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interesting read. lot of truth in there. we have the opportunity in south africa to avoid all that bullshit and represent our realities (whatever they are) without glamourising the negativity.

i was just looking at a photoshoot 50 cent did with an amazing photographer called Sacha Waldman. all his images were related to guns and drugs. anyone would think that 50 was an arms-dealing colombian drug baron instead of the small-time hustler he was in reality (before his fame as a rapper).

50 is rich because he is a talented artist (yes, i said it) and a shrewd businessman, but those images aren't as powerful as the drug-dealing thug that middle-cla** America loves to sample (from a safe distance of course).

when you step back from the hype and actually think about what most rappers have achieved as gangstas, they are miserable failures. i mean, compare 50's career as a gangsta to john gotti's. 50 moved a few bricks, Gotti built a powerful criminal empire. 50 had to resort to rapping to make his money, Gotti stayed gangsta until the end. Hell, i bet 50 even pays every cent of his taxes!

You can handle yourself without having killed anyone, you can be a hustler without having moved major weight. It is possible to tell stories about the shit things that happen in life without glamourising them for the sake of appealing to an audience that doesn't actually care.


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Quote from: "Rip_the_jacker"
. "I can't listen to that nonsense ... I can't listen to another black man talk about you don't come to the 'hood anymore and ghetto revivals ... I'm from the 'hood. How can you tell me you want to revive it? How about you want to change it? Rejuvenate it?"


Hmmm. It sure is interesting to listen to T.I. talking about he dropped outta school not coz he was dumb, but because he preferred getting a new pair of sneaks, i.e. through these and many other lines, the T.i.s and the Jeezeys show us the social situations that make them grow up being dope boys. ....The reason these successfully win me over is because through their actual lives today, the have shown that they are not stupid.

Now, a channel like BET has a thousand other T.I.s and Jeezeys and that is where the problem comes in. So long as business-wise they have'nt achieved that level of success, then clearly the choices they made in life came and ended from and in an ignorant place.

I would share the same view as this lady, only because there's too many people just carbon copying isht! does'nt seem like there's anything re-freshingly different without being too dark to access. And that's where most are just NOT buying hip hop CDs anymore.

More evidence: right here on our continent, on MTVbase how many rappers do you laugh at or are just plain dissapointed when their joint comes on. And you sit through the "garbage" because you hoping to check out the "next new fresh thing" that's gonna pop off from one of our 50 something countries on our continent...Instead it's bandanas (which went out a while ago) , chics dancin around (that ain't that hot), cars (that ain't that hot- I mean there's old dudes drivin Lambos down Jan Smuts from that Investment shop)...If this "ballin" angle is what "we" are going for then you have to "really " be ballin. Look what Jay was doing in "Big Pimpin"...On a yatch in another country, in a SERIOUS party..and when they show cars it's the unreleased "next shit"....How are cats gonna be "ballin'" when they shooting the video on "video or digital format" not 'film', hence the low quality.  

I've stressed the "ballin" syndrome coz that's what's being carbon copied the most. No-one is doing Dr. Dre new shit --what I mean is think when chronic dropped:
Dope music; check.
Then the video: Just walking through the run-dwon crib to pick up Snoop, who was getting his shirt ironed, jummp in the drop top, roll up to a braai...That just gave you a feeling of "that's L.A. life, regular peeps who could be just like you and you can get there and just hang out...you wnat to get in that party and just party on up too. Maybe even spill beer on that chic actin up too.." You know, accessible sh!t.
But instead of making everyone else around the world feel the same about rocking up to this part of the world too..urrhh. There's nothing.


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Great read.Thanx.

@ D-Planet I have 2 disagree.

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Quote from: "Vexer"
Great read.Thanx.

@ D-Planet I have 2 disagree.

Jokes  8)  8)  8) Hehehe


Haha,,, vex, you kill me man!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


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An excellent piece with some good points.

Like D says, maybe hip-hop in SA can push things in a positive direction. So far, so good...
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@T maybe we need a South African version of that video. I'm thinking Joburg or Durbs. Can you provide? :P
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^^ yo, you talking about a vid that makes you want to live or  kick it in Joburg or Durbs and the lifestlye they're potraying is accessble to the ma**es,  hmm.....thinkin....


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Dope thread!

The problem as whole is that The US, has glamorized Al Capone, Lucky Luciano, Gotti, Scarface etc, since day one, in that respect its a society thing not so much a sole black thang, however, BLACK America has taken it to another level, the thing is when it goes past entertainment then there's a real  
problem, i like what D-Planets sayin. The other side of it is, when people talk about their life and ghetto hardships, yes its usually real. Then you get kids 7 8 years old listening and now they interpret it in a different way. What i'm tryin to say is the foundation that Hip hop is built on today is very far from the essence it was before and the new generation, is gonna rap about just that, what they've grown up listening too, regardless if its real to them or not. So if you built on positive hip hop then thats what you'll spit, if you built on pimps hoes and Gats, then ridiculous as it sounds thats whats gonna make sense to you...

Record Sales are down for many reasons, including change in technology, hard to find good music. Albums are being marketed like any ole cheese burger, get as many through in 15 mins, they aint spending time on it.

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