Hip Hop is not for Africans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

funkymonkey · **on:** April 24, 2007, 08:07:39 PM

The issue of hip hop not being a genre that South Africans can love and enjoy is really a biased topic if you think about it. While watching the painful S.A.M-Awards over the weekend, it hit me after the announcing of the song of the year which Dj Sbu walked away with?!?!? There he was, on stage receiving an award for making the nation dance to a song that isn’t his?!?!?!?! He did absolutely nothing to the song. Just rearranged it then put a Sbu label on it.

That happens with almost 98% of these bastards who try cripple hip hop in this country, claiming that hip hop is not South African, we are copying Americans, when all these house dj’ing M.F’s just compile house tracks from Europe and the U.S and release a compilation album. All of them, from Sbu, to Fresh, to Oskido, to Christos and Vinnie, and basically everyone in the industry.

And then they have the ordesity to label us as “ama-fake American wanna be’s” Where’s the justice in this?!?!

TATEguru v.2K9 · **Reply #1 on:** April 24, 2007, 08:36:19 PM

Even though I HATE when people say this as I mature I realise some of the reasons people say this DO make sense.

I have cousins in rural Zimbabwe and in the loxion who cannot relate to the frame of references used in much of the hip hop that I enjoy.
Just like any other music genre it is about the relevance to the listener.
As much as I believe music is universal I have tried to introduce my sekuru (cousin) to Nas & Optical Illusion but he doesn't get into it.

The challenge for African hip hop artists is to make hip hop that is accessible to their own people. They did it in the US. We can do it back home.
PROkid made some accessible music, Zubz made some too, Konfab makes a lot.
Now try playing some "crack" that is being pushed these days for "non-hip hoppers" in Africa...
People call them wannabes because lets face it they ARE.

Not to say that artists do not have the right to make that music.
We need to acknowlede its limitations within the African context.

cash · **Reply #2 on:** April 25, 2007, 09:18:47 AM

the funny thing is our SO CALLED intellectuals on AG and in Africa in general, seem to exclude the different types of AFRICANS in AFRICA!

They always make examples of rural africans!
White,Coloured,Indian,Urban black Africans all listen to HIPHOP and all can comprejend and access the type of HIPHOP we are all talking about!
YES dude! ya cousin aint feelin Nas and Optical Ill,i dont feel em either! whats ur point! I BET THE NIGGA DIGS PAC or FIDDY!!!!! hahahhahhaha!
he got enough knowledge to know that Optical is trash and Nas is jus boring!

stop referring to Africans as some dumb tribal folks with no grasp of tupac,jay-z,snoop and hiphop as a whole cos thats TOTAL bullshit!

There is a huge diversity when referring to an AFRICAN! so ur theory is really baseless! MOST africans are VERY aware and actively participating in GLOBAL cultures such as HIPHOP! we all listen to hiphop,rock,pop,dancehall,reggae,dance,house,jazz, watch movies, read magazines,ect. its rediculous to say that artists like Prokid make accessible music when they really do garbage that nobody buys!

HIPHOP is definitely for AFRICANS!
stop lying!

MrC The Rap God Almighty · **Reply #3 on:** April 25, 2007, 09:33:19 AM

Quote from: "cash"

Optical is trash

8O 8O 8O 8O

You're kidding right

?? Optical Illusion is probably the best hip-hop group in this country.

Bondizzo · **Reply #4 on:** April 25, 2007, 09:41:50 AM

Optical who ?

MrC The Rap God Almighty · **Reply #5 on:** April 25, 2007, 09:44:23 AM

Quote from: "Bondizzo"

Optical who ?

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :evil: :evil:

Saskia · **Reply #6 on:** April 25, 2007, 09:45:12 AM

8O OH MY f***EN WORD!
For ONCE I actually agree with something Cash says.

Quote from: "cash"

the funny thing is our SO CALLED intellectuals on AG and in Africa in general, seem to exclude the different types of AFRICANS in AFRICA!
They always make examples of rural africans!
White,Coloured,Indian,Urban black Africans all listen to HIPHOP and all can comprejend and access the type of HIPHOP we are all talking about!

I'm with you till there

Quote from: "cash"

he got enough knowledge to know that Optical is trash and Nas is jus boring!!

I don't agree. That's YOUR opinion. Then again,I think the CRACK shit you do is trash.

Quote from: "cash"

stop referring to Africans as some dumb tribal folks with no grasp of tupac,jay-z,snoop and hiphop as a whole cos thats TOTAL bullshit!

Have to agree here again. People always seem to make "Africans" seem like rural folk who are stuck in ancient times :roll:

Quote from: "cash"

There is a huge diversity when referring to an AFRICAN! so ur theory is really baseless! MOST africans are VERY aware and actively participating in GLOBAL cultures such as HIPHOP! we all listen to hiphop,rock,pop,dancehall,reggae,dance,house,jazz, watch movies, read magazines

Artists make music to talk about THEIR experiences. Not everyone may relate to those experiences. Then again, who said they have to

Tonnes · **Reply #7 on:** April 25, 2007, 09:46:56 AM

Eish I've only heard two joints from Optical and in my opinion they r dope, if distribution was not a problem (or I don't hustle hard enuff to get stuff) I would have a copy of them...any1 in Cape please hook the brother up.

cash · **Reply #8 on:** April 25, 2007, 09:47:18 AM

ps.SBU won cos thats what house DJ's do - they REMIX POPULAR SONGS!!!
he picked the best one to remix! people loved the remix and he won!
GET OVER IT!
if he can do it! you can! THEN U WONT BE COMPLAININ WHEN U WIN SONG OF THE YR!
stop complainin! its not so hard!
IM GON REMIX SUM TRACK TOO and DO a HOUSE compilation! hahaha

i aint playin man! real talk!

Bondizzo · **Reply #9 on:** April 25, 2007, 09:52:35 AM

do these house dj's pay for royalty's etc for remixing other ppl's tracks ?

Dpleezy · **Reply #10 on:** April 25, 2007, 09:59:04 AM

Quote from: "funkymonkey"

That happens with almost 98% of these bastards who try cripple hip hop in this country, claiming that hip hop is not South African, we are copying Americans, when all these house dj’ing M.F’s just compile house tracks from Europe and the U.S and release a compilation album. All of them, from Sbu, to Fresh, to Oskido, to Christos and Vinnie, and basically everyone in the industry.

And then they have the ordesity to label us as “ama-fake American wanna be’s” Where’s the justice in this?!?!

This is an interesting new take on this debate. I'd never thought of it from the House angle before. I guess the big difference is that House is instrumental. Local 'Americanised' Hip Hop features American accents and often styles of dressing. I guess this gives the haters ammunition.

Dpleezy · **Reply #11 on:** April 25, 2007, 10:01:54 AM

Quote from: "Bondizzo"

do these house dj's pay for royalty's etc for remixing other ppl's tracks ?

They should be paying publishing, yes.

Tonnes · **Reply #12 on:** April 25, 2007, 10:02:14 AM

Quote from: "Bondizzo"

Optical who ?

Look in freedom day gig thread and u will see whats up.

Bondizzo · **Reply #13 on:** April 25, 2007, 10:08:44 AM

lol I don't care if they performing, before you can even say they the best they need to make some hits dammit, I don't think they have any hits, prove me wrong

Dpleezy · **Reply #14 on:** April 25, 2007, 10:19:15 AM

For Hip Hop 'purists' (Golden Era lovers) I think Optical Illusion has come as close as its possible to get to making a hit. Although I doubt they have sold many units.