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I see Morgan selling the country to the west, what of the land issue, will he redistribute that to those who "deserve" it?.
This is the point where we must be most vigilant not only as Zimbabweans and SoutERN Africans but as a continent.


Its little too late for that, Zim is owned by corporates. For example there are two South African banks that have a collateral with the Zim government. One of them has 105 million rand revolving loan to the Zim gov as loan as long as they pay back, they get the loan straight away. For the other bank the Zim gov offered two gold mines as a collateral, should they not be able to pay back the loan.




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a very insightful and lucid piece, king daniel. however, we must always remain cautious when we approach terms such as 'nation-building'. if not handled with gingerly, and with irony, they are likely to exact the same tyranny we now see gripping our neighbour. we are watching, Zimbabwe.


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an interesting point, Tornado. do you have any further information on these banks? 


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 There are families at the top, most notably the central banks.... Federal Reserve Bank, Bank for International Settlements etc etc, that control more than half of the worlds resources on their own.

THey are the real government behind all the politics. They are the people who fund your political campaigns. They OWN the media conglomerates, dictate to us how to think. They lend out money to BOTH sides in wars at interest and push the world depper into their web of debt and control/power. And they have been doing this for centuries starting with the practice of ursury (lending out money at compund interest like South African Banks lending money to Zimbabwe)
- These are people who have the power to print money..and promptly make money out of THIN air. Dont you ever wonder why we never see to the top of the pyramid....the hierarchy? Who is the real top dog?
 As you climb higher in the chain of power shit gets less transparent and complicated covered in soulless economic lingo, on purpose, so that us, the serfs, dont ask questions.
Did you Know,in 1994 alone Before the Elections  More than R200 Billion cash left our Shores.
We are taught to trust. Do we ever question the banking system...or the economy? No...no one understands it, but yet everyone trusts and just a**umes that it'll be okay.

The whole economic system is rigged. It comes down to a faulty equation that just does not add up, heres why:

For the sake of simplicity lets imagine taking all the banks in the world and squelching them together into the umbrellaterm 'UeberBank". This UeberBank creates all the money in the world, and then borrows it out to the people and charges 10% interest. But where is that 10% supposed to come from if they alone print all the money in the world? 
It's not possible, the equation cannot be solved. There is not enough money in the world to cover the debt. And so we...are left to try to slave away to maintain out status quo as our governments pay towards their increasing debt. As economic growth slows down as we are approaching the limits of planet earths sustainability, we become poorer an poorer.  Wake up...the system is rigged.


Families, like the Rothschilds, Rockerfellers etc....
« Last Edit: April 03, 2008, 03:18:38 PM by Rip_the_jacker »


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You're right about the real power brokers. No question it works like that - if you believe the President of a country has any real power you're stupid.

I'm not sure about your equation/example though. I don't enough about economic theory to say why, but it feels like there is a flaw there somewhere. I suspect it has something to do with money flow and the fact that not every person is borrowing all the time (in other words, the system is not 'symmetrical' in terms of cash flow) but I can't say for sure.

So how about it Rip? How do you escape the rigged system?
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For the sake of simplicity lets imagine taking all the banks in the world and squelching them together into the umbrellaterm 'UeberBank". This UeberBank creates all the money in the world, and then borrows it out to the people and charges 10% interest. But where is that 10% supposed to come from if they alone print all the money in the world? 
It's not possible, the equation cannot be solved. There is not enough money in the world to cover the debt. And so we...are left to try to slave away to maintain out status quo as our governments pay towards their increasing debt. As economic growth slows down as we are approaching the limits of planet earths sustainability, we become poorer an poorer.  Wake up...the system is rigged.


Families, like the Rothschilds, Rockerfellers etc....
It irks me eveytime a South African confuses the opposing terms "borrow" & "lend". Seriously, were they taught backwards?

Anyway in support of Rip's conspiracy theory I just got this book:


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According to his book, Perkins' (An Economic Hitman) function was to convince the political and financial leadership of underdeveloped countries to accept enormous development loans from institutions like the World Bank and USAID. Saddled with huge debts they could not hope to pay, these countries were forced to acquiesce to political pressure from the United States on a variety of issues. Perkins argues in his book that developing nations were effectively neutralized politically, had their wealth gaps driven wider and economies crippled in the long run.


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You're right about the real power brokers. No question it works like that - if you believe the President of a country has any real power you're stupid.

I'm not sure about your equation/example though.

So how about it Rip? How do you escape the rigged system?

Ok! Tate Mr librarian.ill use the word "LEND" then

Back to Rob u cant escape the system its like The Outer limits and The X-files JUST RUN AND KEEP RUNNING.

If you go into a bank and ask for a loan, the bank does not print a single new note nor mint a single new coin. It merely types the amount of the loan into your account. From that moment you are paying interest to the bank on what is no more than figures typed on a screen. However, if you fail to pay back that non-existent loan, "they" using "they're" own made-up bullshit laws - which- will come along and take your wealth that does exist, your home, land, car, and possessions, to the estimated value of whatever figure was typed onto that screen.

More than that, because money is not brought into circulation by governments, but by private banks making loans to customers, the banks control how much money is in circulation. The more loans they choose to make, the more money is in circulation. What is the difference between an economic boom (prosperity) and an economic depression (poverty)? One thing only: the amount of money in circulation. That's all. And, through this system, the private banks, controlled by the same people, decide how much money will be in circulation. They can create booms and busts at will, u feel me Rob?


The same with the stock-markets(If you watching the news currently) where these guys are moving trillions of dollars a day around the financial and banking markets, so deciding if they go up or down, soar or crash. Stock-market crashes don't just happen, they are made to happen.

Most of the 'money' in circulation is not physical money, cash and coins. It is represented as figures pa**ing from one computer account to another electronically via money transfers, credit-cards and cheque books. The more money, electronic or otherwise, that is in circulation, the more economic activity can take place and therefore the more products are bought and sold, the more income people have, and the more jobs are available. But a constant theme of the Hidden Hands' financial coup has been to create a boom by making lots of loans and then pull the plug.

During a boom many people get themselves into even more debt. The vibrant economic activity means that businesses borrow more for new technology to increase production to meet demand. People borrow more to buy a bigger house and a new, more expensive car, because they are so confident about their economic future. Then, at the most opportune moment, the major bankers, coordinated by the secret society networks, raise interest rates to suppress the demand for loans and they begin to call in loans already outstanding. They ensure they make far fewer loans than before. This has the affect of taking units of exchange (money in its various forms) out of circulation. This suppresses demand for products and leads to fewer jobs because there is not enough money in circulation to generate the necessary economic activity. So people and businesses can no longer earn enough to repay their loans and they go bankrupt. The banks then take over their real wealth, their business, home, land, car and possessions in return for non-repayment of a loan that was never more than figures typed on a screen. This has been going on in cycles over thousands of years, especially the last few centuries, and the real wealth of the world has been sucked out of the population and into the hands of those who control the banking system

The same applies to countries. Instead of creating their own interest-free money, governments borrow it from the private banking cartel and pay back both the interest and the capital by taxation of the people.

Fantastic amounts of the money you pay in taxes go straight to the private banks to pay back loans which the governments could create themselves interest-free!!

Why don't they do it? Because the Brotherhood controls the governments as much as they control the banks.

What we call 'privatisation' is the selling-off of state a**ets to stave off bankruptcy caused by the bank-created debt. Third World countries are handing over control of their land and resources to the international bankers because they cannot pay back the vast loans made, on purpose, by the banks to ensnare them in this very situation. The world does not have to be in poverty and conflict, it is manipulated to be that way because it serves the Agenda.








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The economic fundamentals of this conspiracy theory appear to be correct except for this a**umption:

During a boom many people get themselves into even more debt. The vibrant economic activity means that businesses borrow more for new technology to increase production to meet demand. People borrow more to buy a bigger house and a new, more expensive car, because they are so confident about their economic future. Then, at the most opportune moment, the major bankers, coordinated by the secret society networks, raise interest rates to suppress the demand for loans and they begin to call in loans already outstanding. They ensure they make far fewer loans than before. This has the affect of taking units of exchange (money in its various forms) out of circulation. This suppresses demand for products and leads to fewer jobs because there is not enough money in circulation to generate the necessary economic activity. So people and businesses can no longer earn enough to repay their loans and they go bankrupt. The banks then take over their real wealth, their business, home, land, car and possessions in return for non-repayment of a loan that was never more than figures typed on a screen. This has been going on in cycles over thousands of years, especially the last few centuries, and the real wealth of the world has been sucked out of the population and into the hands of those who control the banking system

The same applies to countries. Instead of creating their own interest-free money, governments borrow it from the private banking cartel and pay back both the interest and the capital by taxation of the people.

Fantastic amounts of the money you pay in taxes go straight to the private banks to pay back loans which the governments could create themselves interest-free!!

Why don't they do it? Because the Brotherhood controls the governments as much as they control the banks.

What we call 'privatisation' is the selling-off of state a**ets to stave off bankruptcy caused by the bank-created debt. Third World countries are handing over control of their land and resources to the international bankers because they cannot pay back the vast loans made, on purpose, by the banks to ensnare them in this very situation. The world does not have to be in poverty and conflict, it is manipulated to be that way because it serves the Agenda.
There is no such thing as interest free money. All money suppy is linked to Inflation which is linked to Interest rates.

Lets use the Zimbabwean example. The Government prints supposedly interest rate free money to meet the inflationary pressures (at +100 000%). There is now more money in circulation. Zimbabweans can afford to pay MORE for basic goods. Producers now charge more for goods = Inflation spiralling out of control ie the icreased money suply has fuelled (no pun intended) the Inflation that necessitated it in the first place.

There is direct positive correlation between Inflation & Interest rates. Banks will not lend out money if when they get it back it does not have the same purchasing power so they charge higher interest rates to meet inflation.

One of the "items" being purchased are imports which need to be purchased with Forex. It now takes more Zim$ to buy Imports(devaluation). Banks need to lend out more Zim$ to buy the same amount of Forex for imports. They need to charge more interest for these loans to meet the high domestic inflation.

See? There is no such thing as interest free money supply.



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You're right about the real power brokers. No question it works like that - if you believe the President of a country has any real power you're stupid.

I'm not sure about your equation/example though.

So how about it Rip? How do you escape the rigged system?

Ok! Tate Mr librarian.ill use the word "LEND" then

Back to Rob u cant escape the system its like The Outer limits and The X-files JUST RUN AND KEEP RUNNING.

If you go into a bank and ask for a loan, the bank does not print a single new note nor mint a single new coin. It merely types the amount of the loan into your account. From that moment you are paying interest to the bank on what is no more than figures typed on a screen. However, if you fail to pay back that non-existent loan, "they" using "they're" own made-up bullshit laws - which- will come along and take your wealth that does exist, your home, land, car, and possessions, to the estimated value of whatever figure was typed onto that screen.

More than that, because money is not brought into circulation by governments, but by private banks making loans to customers, the banks control how much money is in circulation. The more loans they choose to make, the more money is in circulation. What is the difference between an economic boom (prosperity) and an economic depression (poverty)? One thing only: the amount of money in circulation. That's all. And, through this system, the private banks, controlled by the same people, decide how much money will be in circulation. They can create booms and busts at will, u feel me Rob?


The same with the stock-markets(If you watching the news currently) where these guys are moving trillions of dollars a day around the financial and banking markets, so deciding if they go up or down, soar or crash. Stock-market crashes don't just happen, they are made to happen.

Most of the 'money' in circulation is not physical money, cash and coins. It is represented as figures pa**ing from one computer account to another electronically via money transfers, credit-cards and cheque books. The more money, electronic or otherwise, that is in circulation, the more economic activity can take place and therefore the more products are bought and sold, the more income people have, and the more jobs are available. But a constant theme of the Hidden Hands' financial coup has been to create a boom by making lots of loans and then pull the plug.

During a boom many people get themselves into even more debt. The vibrant economic activity means that businesses borrow more for new technology to increase production to meet demand. People borrow more to buy a bigger house and a new, more expensive car, because they are so confident about their economic future. Then, at the most opportune moment, the major bankers, coordinated by the secret society networks, raise interest rates to suppress the demand for loans and they begin to call in loans already outstanding. They ensure they make far fewer loans than before. This has the affect of taking units of exchange (money in its various forms) out of circulation. This suppresses demand for products and leads to fewer jobs because there is not enough money in circulation to generate the necessary economic activity. So people and businesses can no longer earn enough to repay their loans and they go bankrupt. The banks then take over their real wealth, their business, home, land, car and possessions in return for non-repayment of a loan that was never more than figures typed on a screen. This has been going on in cycles over thousands of years, especially the last few centuries, and the real wealth of the world has been sucked out of the population and into the hands of those who control the banking system

The same applies to countries. Instead of creating their own interest-free money, governments borrow it from the private banking cartel and pay back both the interest and the capital by taxation of the people.

Fantastic amounts of the money you pay in taxes go straight to the private banks to pay back loans which the governments could create themselves interest-free!!

Why don't they do it? Because the Brotherhood controls the governments as much as they control the banks.

What we call 'privatisation' is the selling-off of state a**ets to stave off bankruptcy caused by the bank-created debt. Third World countries are handing over control of their land and resources to the international bankers because they cannot pay back the vast loans made, on purpose, by the banks to ensnare them in this very situation. The world does not have to be in poverty and conflict, it is manipulated to be that way because it serves the Agenda.


@ RIP- good points maaan, lol.... its about those sitting at the top of the  social pyramid and our goverments are just puppets. The problem with the system is and also what it will bring about its downfall is that, its about making profits and sometimes to make more profits you have to cut down on human resources (people like you and me, the workers). The system ignores the fact that for it to thrive you need workers who also consumers. ...... so in that way the system is its own worst enemy.

Another great book to check out is THE BIG RIPOFF: HOW BIG BUSINESS AND BIG GOVERNMENT STEAL YOUR MONEY by Timothy P. Carney

@Rob- an individual can escape the system by himself by joining the people at the top but that would be just escaping the system and not fighting it, those at the bottom of the pyramid have numbers as their only weapon and a powerful one to fight the system

call me crazy but i m dreamer


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@Rob- an individual can escape the system by himself by joining the people at the top but that would be just escaping the system and not fighting it, those at the bottom of the pyramid have numbers as their only weapon and a powerful one to fight the system

call me crazy but i m dreamer

Too vague for me. Can you elaborate?
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[Anyway in support of Rip's conspiracy theory I just got this book:


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According to his book, Perkins' (An Economic Hitman) function was to convince the political and financial leadership of underdeveloped countries to accept enormous development loans from institutions like the World Bank and USAID. Saddled with huge debts they could not hope to pay, these countries were forced to acquiesce to political pressure from the United States on a variety of issues. Perkins argues in his book that developing nations were effectively neutralized politically, had their wealth gaps driven wider and economies crippled in the long run.


I read this about two years ago. I thought of it when I heard Immortal Tech spitting "that's why corporations like Hailburton are paid to rebuild nations" or something like that. Anyone who wants a copy I've got a MS Word version, I can email.

Also chec out www.zeitgeistmovie.com for more info on RIP's theory. Part 2 of the movie deals with Rockerfeller, JP Morgan , etc and how they run the world. interesting. The 1st part challenges conventional thinking about the origins of Christianity and the last tries to show that 911 was masterminded by the US 9nothing new in this claim) .   thought provoking.


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[Anyway in support of Rip's conspiracy theory I just got this book:


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According to his book, Perkins' (An Economic Hitman) function was to convince the political and financial leadership of underdeveloped countries to accept enormous development loans from institutions like the World Bank and USAID. Saddled with huge debts they could not hope to pay, these countries were forced to acquiesce to political pressure from the United States on a variety of issues. Perkins argues in his book that developing nations were effectively neutralized politically, had their wealth gaps driven wider and economies crippled in the long run.

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I read this about two years ago. I thought of it when I heard Immortal Tech spitting "that's why corporations like Hailburton are paid to rebuild nations" or something like that. Anyone who wants a copy I've got a MS Word version, I can email.

Also chec out www.zeitgeistmovie.com for more info on RIP's theory. Part 2 of the movie deals with Rockerfeller, JP Morgan , etc and how they run the world. interesting. The 1st part challenges conventional thinking about the origins of Christianity and the last tries to show that 911 was masterminded by the US 9nothing new in this claim) .   thought provoking.


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@Rob- an individual can escape the system by himself by joining the people at the top but that would be just escaping the system and not fighting it, those at the bottom of the pyramid have numbers as their only weapon and a powerful one to fight the system

call me crazy but i m dreamer

Too vague for me. Can you elaborate?

okay what i mean is that the system that you are guys are talking about is capitalism (acquire more wealth than the next person) and it dictates that only you as an individual can escape the system and the only way to do it is to work excessively hard, make more moola and become part of the the rich and powerful. Banks are one of the institutions that are in place to make sure that the system works efficiently. refer to RIP.

and  because the system promotes individualism we as the people at the bottom of the social pyramid/ food chain we have a very powerful weapon and that is numbers. there are more people at the bottom than at the top. So for us at the bottom we need to unite and fight the system...just like we fought apartheid, also a system that was benefiting a minority. you dig. in a nutshell all im saying is that the world is f***ed up because of cla** inequalities. you dig