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[cash]

1.Motswako is Motswako, not hiphop!
theyve stated it clearly.
Jabba said - Its a melting pot of different music, including hiphop.
Its not primarily hiphop!

2.Ive taken ur opinion into practical implementation and have learned a lot from what uv shared with me.

3.there is no backpeddling from my side.
The show was for a good cause! Of course we werent gonna demand a fee! are u sayin that Mizi is backpeddlin cos they requested us to perform for free, now he's sayin "dont perform for free"? is he a hypocrite? it was for a good cause!

u see u are gettin mad and making things personal, but who did i talk shit about?

And if i did, u talk shit about the niggas in my circles all the time!!!! dont u think i also know "Bape,Amakipkip wearing,fitted cap doo rag,flossy type niggas" personally as well!? U DISSIN EM ALL THE f***ING TIME!!!! BUT I GUESS ITS OKAY!

So ur sayin its okay for u to diss people i know personally, but its not okay for me to just "question" cats u know personally?

eish! thats double standards from wherever u stand! thats REAL SELF HATE!

I did not even diss B.Sharpa n Tumi, i jus POINTED out that u said they dont have American accents. Then u switched n said they DO!(u acting like im dissing him by sayin "he got an american accent" im actually encouraging him to keep it up

how is that a diss? and so what if u know them personally, i did not insult them in any way? u still said what u said! and all i did was point it out! Enis noticed it too!

I did not diss Mr Fat either!(i appreciated his humour and noble work - how is taht a diss?)

is it a diss to afrikaans rappers if i personally wud never listen through a verse in Afrikaans? its my preference? i aint feelin the language. its not apartheid anymore, i dont have to pretend to feel the language if i dont.

u dont dig that swagg type crunk shit! im not insulted by that! i cant force u to dig it if u dont!
Pls treat us the same, cos im sittin back n listening to u talk shit bout the new generation of niggas too,but only for so long...

so really,enough with the double standards, f*** dude.lol. we work in the same building. no need for beef!
Ag is for discussion and debate! thats what were doing and im 99% of the time laughing my a** off,makin jokes,speaking from my point of view,and respecting everyone elses.

U cant get upset cos u "had a Mad Rapper moment" and got ETHERED TODAY

See u tomorrow man im out.gotta hit the gym

[SOYA DADDY]

WHY THE f*** SHOULD WE EMBRACE AMERICA?
just because they started it doesnt mean you need to "pay them back".

my accent is plain up lost, i dont what the f*** it is...but i think cash is trippin.

and one question, why isnt kasual t hooking me up with all these media connects of his? why isnt he helping me get rich? i need some lime light too..just cause i dont use samples anymore doesnt mean i'm not sexy.

[cash]

WHY THE f*** SHOULD WE EMBRACE AMERICA?
just because they started it doesnt mean you need to "pay them back".

my accent is plain up lost, i dont what the f*** it is...but i think cash is trippin.

and one question, why isnt kasual t hooking me up with all these media connects of his? why isnt he helping me get rich? i need some lime light too..just cause i dont use samples anymore doesnt mean i'm not sexy.

I just want EQUALITY, and cats to be treated fairly.
For yall cats is fair to say "f*** Da Les, listening to his album is like a** f***ing another man(Pyro).
But when i say" Man Tumi's album is boring as f***, listening to his album is like a** f***ing another man(Pyro).

Niggas start takin it personally!
Thats bullshit!

***Look out for The Monopoly's long awaited album comin soon***
***Look out for MY MIXTAPE - CASHflow - I begin work today***

GET IT CRACKING VOL.2 THE MIXTAPE COMING

[emceeKasualT]

  [el-producto]
Do you know who you are..
Do you know who you are f***ing with?
Do you know, the access, to weapons, money and power
That we have? we will f***ing kill you!

Im the ugliest version of pa**ed down toxic capitalist
Rapid emcee perversion -- Im america!
Your bleeding-heart liberal drivel gets squashed
Wash em with sterilized rhyme patriot-guided weaponry bomb
From the makers of the devious hearts -- Im america!
You bitchy little dogs dont even phase my basic policy
The bombs smarter, my ronald reagans crush carter
With bay of pig tactics makin young men into martyrs
(come on down!) come to my happy promised land
Smiley faced opportunity cypher
And jump on the coflow pension plan
A proletariat, crushing state of the union
Between serpentine words and ma** confusion
Of media controlled blurb advertising disillusionment
Your family will love my low-rent, low-life
No-brain, reality-dagger, movement
Hop over the border for amusement; try to test the waters
That the other slaughter crews pay all the usance
You up against -- jesus freak, formin corporations in young republicans
Indelible nato force hidden agenda, puppet governments
Im lovin it! keep the people guessin who Im runnin with
Control the population and hide behind sacred covenants
f***in with me? !? ! means liberal wildlife burnin, gasoline seized
And an automagnetic third world printed with metal plates in they knees
Cant you hear the disenchanted, hide the scream of
Gabriels reflected new wind instrument, a judgment played in flat c
I replace humans like robots in a gm factory (warning! warning!)
Then explore metaphors to sweat shops, cause the price is satisfactory
Your pious little cries of injustice get met with apathy (awww, shucks!)
Soak, cloak, hormone injected dairy product
And conservative right-wing anti-eroticism; the poisonous
Resevoirs and power lines in your neighborhood cause botchilism
Senseless! join the census, censorship sentences sentence
Triple-felon citizen paid pennance!
Dissension against c-f ends in, penetentiary residence
Lock em up first, then ask questions
Omniscient presence, my charm is the weapon
With cameras mics and satellites that leave privacy breathless
You dont even know the chemicals youve ingested
Urine tested -- beat innocent man til he confesses

Whos america? whos america? whos america? whos america?
Whos america? whos america? whos america? whos america?
[el-p] Im america! Im america! Im america! mr. len, get busy on em!

* dj mr. len the space ghost cuts up God damn!! *

[el-producto]
Im america arrogant!! terminus verbal curfew murders
You either purchase my products or youre worthless, thats my service!
Dont look into the oculars of a daylight saver
Erase your city head and momument defacer comprising of
Patriot droids, sent into the void with lead linings
Employed by the bureaucrats of automatic twisted rhyme timing
Youre guaranteed nothing but my fat little finger
That lingers one inch off of the big button -- lets start this!
Im saran gas, hide in your apartments
Im stealth like a robot hidden in the fat a**hole of cartman
And give a crippling f*** like sand sharkskin condom
To your apparent vaginal problem - the hottest shit on soundbombing
Im american til infinite justice measure to pesticide cemetary
Invite you to cross the border then shit on your divinities
What language is that? Im angusih in fact, tangle with a
Star-spangled standard issue gat for crowd management
Talk loud and get enshrouded in a hot cloud of hara**ment
By the crowd force of my mental pedestrian checker,
That smashes subordinate skulls and update the file in your dental records
You tryin to get a light but yet the crowd is my paid hecklers (boo! boo!)
You just stepped into the spectrum of paranoid word rainbows
Thinkin you sick with a sihlouette, burn transit cop out his plain clothes
Im america!! this is where the pain grows like poppies
In a field of dreams I paid for, Ill burn it down if operated sloppily
Copy? my economic sanction rhyme style got your syllables
Scraping for rice and riding in a pre-1960 jalopy
My favorite flavour of gas is mustard
Im f***in a blind hermaphrodite icon and convincin you that its justice!

Whos america? whos america? whos america? whos america?
* dj mr. len the space ghost cuts up God damn!! *

[el-producto]
Treason will not be tolerated!
You have been enlisted.. into a lifestyle that you may not change!
Understand! you cant be happy.. and smile.. for the cameras!
Motherf***er!

[SOYA DADDY]

f*** company flow! where are my media connects???

[cash]

all im sayin is that when u chop n paste my shit n point out that i contradicted myself - its cool.

but heaven help me if i do it

lol.Mad Rapper retired and ur his replacement? WTF

Jokes man!
Its all in good spirit.

U see(not directed at MCKas,but to all older generation niggas!), for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction! This is the law that all life(or science of life) is based upon.

So if u out there dissin the new school, there will be sumone out there dissin the oldschool!

If u out there sayin hiphop is dead,theres sumone out there sayin ITS NOT!

If u feel disrespected by sumthin sumbody said, sumbody out there is feelin disrespected by sumthin U SAID!

The only way we can have equilibrium(or peace), is if we accept that fact! instead of wanting everything to be seen YOUR WAY ONLY! theres always two sides to a coin.

YALL ALL ARE SITTIN ON THE TOP SIDE, I AM ON THE BOTTOM. But the coin will inevitably flip eventually. cos im chillin on the bottom side gettin stronger n stronger n eventually, i will be on the top side! until sumbody else on the bottom inevitably topples me over!
the only difference is....I aint mad at that nigga! im encouraging him!

[emceeKasualT]

WHY THE f*** SHOULD WE EMBRACE AMERICA?
just because they started it doesnt mean you need to "pay them back".

We should embrace America because they are the forefather of our nuts! They have given us such illustrious phrases as 'hungry like a South African with flies around the mouth' courtesy of one Lloyd Banks. Or they call our women Umfumfu and ask 'why you treat me like animal?'...© Camel... in addition obviously to doo-rags, George Bush and higher petrol preices... How could you hate on that Space...?

@ cash.. I hear you. Im just tryna understand the end result of your suggestions. Thats all. I dont know anyone else who advocates being/acting American so.. you're the only source I have to see where this can lead us really...

And since this thread refuses to die.. Imma give you (and Enis) more contradictory statements to go on since it seems to have made your day: Ben Sharpa has an American accent. Ben Sharpa does not have an American accent. I like to listen to some new age youngster emcees. I do not like to listen to some new age youngster emcees. Last time I spoke to Lance he said he was worried about Ghetto Ruff because all his top kwaito acts have left and he's left with groups not making any money. Last time I spoke to Lance he said he's not worried about GR cos all his top kwaito acts have left and he's left with groups that may achieve certified brick status..
did u see that?...lol... I've got more if you want... so holler...

In todays rap climate.. you need good lyrics to be a successful artist...
In todays rap climate.. you do not need good lyrics to be a successful artist...
lol.. I could do this all day..

Thats the beauty of starting a thread... you can defacate wherever you want on it. You can do like Rick Ross and C.O.ntradict yourself where you want...

[K9 tha Pedigree]

Its funny tho, when South Africans like the Crackboys rap in  English and swag we tryna be American.

@ Cash good point about French hip hop, 90 % of french rappers aint even french, they other from Senegal, DRC, Gabon or Algeria, thats Africa niggaz, but they still fall under the french hip hop umbrella, can anybody explain that.  Booba rocks NY fitteds in like every video nobody questions that.

[Dpleezy]

Maybe we should come up with a new category of music for artists from South Africa who want to sound American?

"...and the SAMA for Best Song by a South African Immitating an American goes to...."

[emceeKasualT]

f*** company flow! where are my media connects???

Ok f*** it... lets just keep the thread rolling. Imma retire once it reached 10 stacks of views.

Who you tryna get hold of doggie?
My older bro's got a rolodex with all types of media maggots.. every single magazine.. TV producer.. etc etc in Jozi.. holler with who u want...  


And in other LES related news... theres this faggoty pseudo journalist on the Internets who was trying to get LES to do an interview a day or 2 ago... Apparently LES's management wanted to get paid for the interview... what the f***ery? Either the albums doing so well they have elevated the celeb status to chargin for interviews... Or maybe its the opposite.. I cant call it..


@ French.. like I said. I dont hate the crackboyz.. If anything I made a lot of people aware about u cats who werent, even if Im not a fan.... and since u think Im hating.. I got back to my crib the day cash gave me the DVD.. and who was there?... Pabi Moloi, Kagiso Lediga, Loy some other comedians etc..   How did my older bro end up in ur second DVD? Cos I gave cash his contact. No sweat. I went to Botswana the other year and I'll let u know this.. you guys could do well there. The whole countrys hip-hop scene is practically American. Im not dissing because I wanna get personal... it was on topic.. like.. Im willing to even consider cash's idea.. Im willing to record an album sounding as American as possible.. but if I get one charity show a year out of it... Im showing up at your doorstep...

[K9 tha Pedigree]

I aint tokin bout you Kasual T, I got respect for you, was tokin in general.

[cash]

the reason why im advokatin the America thing is simple!

"IM SPEAKING TO EVERYONE HERE-NOT JUS MY BIGGSET FAN..u no who "

heres the situation in a SIMPLIFIED EXAMPLE!

We are all faggots on Africas Gayway(lets a**ume this is a fact)
But now,the older faggots have found ways hiding the fact that they are faggots. they are in the CLOSET! on the outside,they are anti FAGGOT in every way possible!

then come the new generation FAGGOTS! they are OPEN,publicly,and appearance wise,the way they speak,etc. openly SAY THEY ARE FAGS!

The old fags are intimidated by this!they are scared so they start treating the new fags differently(create double standards).
they pretend they are the "know it all" fags, and the new fgs are the "DUMBED DOWN" fags.

But at the end of the day,they all get dick in the a**!

I had to put it in a way that all Agians will understand.apologies if i offended anyone!

-What im sayin is, JUST THE f***IN FACT THAT U INTO HIPHOP MEANS U ARE INFLUENCED BY AMERICA!!!!!!
Dont come here and say "Actually the reason i got into hiphop was when i heard Hidden Force's Tsokotsa

An american HIPHOP artist got u hooked into the game!
U learned and mimiced everything he said and did,dressed,walked,talked,until u started growin ur own two nuts,then u started walkin by urself,without hangin on his nuts anymore!

Now u decide u gon front and start acting like u doin "YA OWN ORIGINAL SHIT" then u start covering up yo origins - by makin ur accent sound NOT SO AMERICAN(maybe even switchin the language),dressing NOT AMERICAN,acting like u HATE AMERICA!(but u love everythigna bout America - everything u do is influenced by America) but ur ashamed!
U make it a point to be as ANTI AMERICAN on the outside as possible!
But when u at home in ur privacy! u watchin American TV,u watchin AMERICAN music videos,u in the studio rappin on American beats,Downloading American Hiphop, practisin ur "Souljah Boy routine", eating American FOOD! u dissin Bapes, but rockin All Stars(its still american BIATCH! )

So when u see niggas STRAIGHT UP EMBRACING AMERICA, it makes u sick cos u realisin that u will now have to cover ur tracks EVEN HARDER cos these NEW NIGGAS is OUT THERE JUS EXPOSIN IT!
they sound act dress walk talk exactly how u do IN UR PRIVACY!

U sayin "f*** America" but ur favourite EVERYTHING! IS AMERICAN! except for ur favourite soccer and rugby team - Thats New Zealand and Man United! wow

[MrC The Rap God Almighty]

I agree with Cash.Most cats wish they could say "Brooklyn" or "Queensbridge" or "Compton" on a track. LOL !!! It's a fact.

[General Ratzinger van Stilzkin]

I agree with Cash.Most cats wish they could say "Brooklyn" or "Queensbridge" or "Compton" on a track. LOL !!! It's a fact.

LOL!!! u had me there C

[OG Beezak]

the reason why im advokatin the America thing is simple!

"IM SPEAKING TO EVERYONE HERE-NOT JUS MY BIGGSET FAN..u no who "

heres the situation in a SIMPLIFIED EXAMPLE!

We are all faggots on Africas Gayway(lets a**ume this is a fact)
But now,the older faggots have found ways hiding the fact that they are faggots. they are in the CLOSET! on the outside,they are anti FAGGOT in every way possible!

then come the new generation FAGGOTS! they are OPEN,publicly,and appearance wise,the way they speak,etc. openly SAY THEY ARE FAGS!

The old fags are intimidated by this!they are scared so they start treating the new fags differently(create double standards).
they pretend they are the "know it all" fags, and the new fgs are the "DUMBED DOWN" fags.

But at the end of the day,they all get dick in the a**!

I had to put it in a way that all Agians will understand.apologies if i offended anyone!

-What im sayin is, JUST THE f***IN FACT THAT U INTO HIPHOP MEANS U ARE INFLUENCED BY AMERICA!!!!!!
Dont come here and say "Actually the reason i got into hiphop was when i heard Hidden Force's Tsokotsa

An american HIPHOP artist got u hooked into the game!
U learned and mimiced everything he said and did,dressed,walked,talked,until u started growin ur own two nuts,then u started walkin by urself,without hangin on his nuts anymore!

Now u decide u gon front and start acting like u doin "YA OWN ORIGINAL SHIT" then u start covering up yo origins - by makin ur accent sound NOT SO AMERICAN(maybe even switchin the language),dressing NOT AMERICAN,acting like u HATE AMERICA!(but u love everythigna bout America - everything u do is influenced by America) but ur ashamed!
U make it a point to be as ANTI AMERICAN on the outside as possible!
But when u at home in ur privacy! u watchin American TV,u watchin AMERICAN music videos,u in the studio rappin on American beats,Downloading American Hiphop, practisin ur "Souljah Boy routine", eating American FOOD! u dissin Bapes, but rockin All Stars(its still american BIATCH! )

So when u see niggas STRAIGHT UP EMBRACING AMERICA, it makes u sick cos u realisin that u will now have to cover ur tracks EVEN HARDER cos these NEW NIGGAS is OUT THERE JUS EXPOSIN IT!
they sound act dress walk talk exactly how u do IN UR PRIVACY!

U sayin "f*** America" but ur favourite EVERYTHING! IS AMERICAN! except for ur favourite soccer and rugby team - Thats New Zealand and Man United! wow

Hahaha. The faggot part kills me. Cash you the truth son. Hahaha

Few pointers: I'm reading words like trippin', friontin', mad and etc, which are American slangs, from the so called "non-american S.A rappers" hahaha. Funny. Sick o hypocrites

Not saying we people should mimic: just do your thing, some's gonna relate.