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You know how it goes, manene aka Don kalimeshe inspires a google search for Andile Mngxitama's stuff and i find this interesting piece. whats ur take AG?

A more interesting development is in the arena of youth culture. The interesting part of developments in this arena lies not so much in the claims of the consumerism of commercial youth radio stations, which is all pose but no substance, but in counter-culture initiatives such as Blackwash, a blacks-only ­formation that seeks to upgrade BC for the 21st century.

Here Biko is not valorised as an infallible God. Rather, his ideas are questioned and developed to help blacks make sense of why their victory of 1994 has turned into a ma**ive defeat. Key to upgrading BC is linking it to the black diaspora, in particular to Haiti and her agonies of the past 200 years.

Secondly, Blackwash wants to make it clear that BC is inherently anticapitalist and also that capitalism is inherently anti-black. This move returns a radical black socialism to BC and kills the claim that BC is not “cla** conscious”. It also rejects the silly idea that BC must subscribe to the alien notion of “scientific socialism”.

The point is that a correct reading of Biko’s BC shows that it is anti-capitalist.

Two other areas where BC is ­being further elaborated are in the fight against patriarchy and homophobia.

This new thinking includes ­rejecting backward cultural practices such as ulwaluko (circumcision) and ukuthwala (forced ­marriages) and seeks to construct new forms of being informed by BC’s liberatory impulses.

The future remains BC but this great philosophy must be liberated from some of its most ardent supporters – they’ve become relics of the past.

Mngxitama is the publisher of New Frank Talk

the whole piece from http://www.citypress.co.za/Content/Columnists/AndileMngxitama/2362/711e4c55d1684846ba6ac934b1754bec/12-09-2009-02-38/The_BC_evolution
« Last Edit: September 29, 2009, 08:57:59 AM by motho »
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This new thinking includes ­rejecting backward cultural practices such as ulwaluko (circumcision).

i don't think Steven Bantu Biko would cosign this.


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I do. As well as many other cultural practices which do nothing but divide, endanger lives  and give some people a false sense of superiority.
No disrespect to my Xhosa people, but face facts.

Will read the rest of that article later. Seems interesting.




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but Steve went through it and so did his son, Nkosinathi.

1. when Andile is calling this 'backwards' what is he comparing it against - or has he picked it apart, isolated aspects of it that are 'culturally backwards'?

2. what is 'culturally backwards'?

3. if safety can be guaranteed (and it can, for the most part) then why 'reject' it, ideologically?

4. if people are legally given the option to not go through with it, what's the problem?

i think he should focus more on empowering people to the point where they can make their own decisions and sustain themselves, instead of prescribing new distinctions of what's right and what's wrong.

i agree with the forced marriages thing, though, since that involves one person imposing on another and subjugating them, for their own will.

i find the rest of the article meaningless.

 



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but Steve went through it and so did his son, Nkosinathi.

1. when Andile is calling this 'backwards' what is he comparing it against - or has he picked it apart, isolated aspects of it that are 'culturally backwards'?

2. what is 'culturally backwards'?

3. if safety can be guaranteed (and it can, for the most part) then why 'reject' it, ideologically?

4. if people are legally given the option to not go through with it, what's the problem?

i think he should focus more on empowering people to the point where they can make their own decisions and sustain themselves, instead of prescribing new distinctions of what's right and what's wrong.

i agree with the forced marriages thing, though, since that involves one person imposing on another and subjugating them, for their own will.

i find the rest of the article meaningless.

 



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just a q...
is it relevant for us to be putting the black counsciousness movement in these times?


currently the government is tryna do away with racism, and movement like these is basically reverse racism, we are becoming the WHITE oppressors.

i can dig it if the emphasis of the movement is more culturally motivated and helpin black kids to understand where they are from, and what has made them, not the struggle that BIKO was on.

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just a q...
is it relevant for us to be putting the black counsciousness movement in these times?


currently the government is tryna do away with racism, and movement like these is basically reverse racism, we are becoming the WHITE oppressors.

i can dig it if the emphasis of the movement is more culturally motivated and helpin black kids to understand where they are from, and what has made them, not the struggle that BIKO was on.



I have said this a few times, but then cats make it seem as if I am a coconut, white-wannabe or something.

Be careful.




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just a q...
is it relevant for us to be putting the black counsciousness movement in these times?


currently the government is tryna do away with racism, and movement like these is basically reverse racism, we are becoming the WHITE oppressors.

i can dig it if the emphasis of the movement is more culturally motivated and helpin black kids to understand where they are from, and what has made them, not the struggle that BIKO was on.



i wouldn't worry about that. it's not about to happen.

i would like to read Made man's response to that, though.


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just a q...
is it relevant for us to be putting the black counsciousness movement in these times?


currently the government is tryna do away with racism, and movement like these is basically reverse racism, we are becoming the WHITE oppressors.

i can dig it if the emphasis of the movement is more culturally motivated and helpin black kids to understand where they are from, and what has made them, not the struggle that BIKO was on.



My take:

You should know that aparthied was not merely white people saying that we are not as human as them, sparking fights based on this at clubs and at work places (in which case the TRC would have been very useful as a bunch of conflict resolution experts who try to show us that we are all human). Apartheid was way more than this for it systematically oppressed black people for the benefit of white people. What Black consciousness says today is that JUSTICE is not reverse racism as you put it Moff G but it is putting the victim in the position (especially the materail one) that he would have been had he not been wronged, concepts in the law of contract and declict support this.

Our fathers and forefathers were oppressed and many of us in our country are greatly disadvantaged because of this, now the corollary to this is that somebody is in an advantage because of their forefathers' oppressor status. Understanding this greatly negates any concept of "reverse racism" unless your understanding of justice is getting some supposedly heartfelt apology. But as Andile drew an analogy I ask you, if I forced you out of your house and lived there for many years enjoying the comforts would you simply accept an apology and "reconcile" >:( while you still living on the streets?

Now we can go on and on about this but as Frantz Fanon alluded to this effect, the "intellectuals" forever restructure the demands of the people. Check the freedom charter and the 94 settlement.

What Black consiousness is saying is that the 94 settlement was at the expense of true liberation, that having some Black kids in universities and black Mp's and chancellors only makes black people sit on a false hope while the system of apartheid is still intact and therofore stands to forever benefit white people. We are thereofore against concepts of reconciliation and the rainbow nation for they make black people complacent in their oppression as if their current state of things is natural.

I can't help but think that whenever someone suggests "get past the race issue" they are saying to me accept that black people live in Alexandra adjacent to a white sandton (with some black people though not wrong, who give legitimacy and a front to the world), that black people live in Diepsloot, that many of my friends never had relationships with their fathers who slaved in mines and got nothing at retirement as if all of this is natural, pardon the mellodarama but this depresses me and I reject any concept of reconciliation and a rainbow and therefore believe that an extension of Biko's ideas is highly relevent today without accusing anyone who thinks otherwise as being a coconut.

Now Ta Panic, though this is not the platform to discuss IsiDoda I believe some things about sona really need to be talked about. some of them are not part of the tradition per se but arise from them like a way of thinking I have noticed in my fellow dyaniz that amaXhosa have some monopoly over manhood and everyone else yinkwenkwe. This is saying that amaXhosa are superior which smells of tribalism.

Yo braz and sisters will write later....
"Why was the worker shot? Because he protested... Why was the negro shot? Because he was there. This is the gratuitous (without cause) violence against Black people that so called pure marxist can't comprehend" Frank Wilderson.


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i hear what ya'll is sayin. i do not wanna be white or have thots of me as a white man's friend.
but MADE be puttin it str8 with his explanations. it is all for justice.

what is it gonna take to acclaim all that we wish to have, all that the white's have deprived us, are we gonna act up like Mugabe and chase 'em off just because we don't want to reconcile with them over their FOREFATHERS errors?
if we were to all prosper, it will not be just by being us alone(blacks), it will have to be a joint venture.

i do not think if that was to happen the whities wud sit back and watch us reclaim the land without them putting up a fight. they have already shown that (BOEREMAG).

i do agree that the poor-rich gap is far too much to ignore: ' the brodas in alex adjacent to sandton a white's cocoon'... but that gap cannot be breached overnite and without the help of those engulfed by the apartheid system. we are all victims from where am seated.



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Land must go back to the people, such that the people can design their desired/preffered way of life where each soul would live to reach his/her true potential. Laws would be made by the people for the people.
Secondly an audit of all the wealth that has been generated (esp. explotation, exclusion)from Azania (incl. Africa) since the arrival of Jan van Reibeek (Colonizers) until the present need to be done in order to reclaim what belongs to this land.

That would be getting true liberation which would help Africa to have a solid stand when it participates on world bodies on issues that bring threats/opportunities to our beloved globe, like the Venus Project which promotes a money free society where an Intelectual management of natural resources which is influenced by nature's laws that have been ignored in this gravely persuite of profit in this current Monetary system. In this system no person owns shit, cause if we treat the earth as Our own, not for certain individuals, it will not make us destructively selfish.

It is evident that the use of money is irrelevant in these times. A person does not need money to survive, we don't eat, dress and use money as shelter. In planting a seed, caring for the crop, harvesting , making a meal and enjoying the meal money is present in that equation. The revolution is here, the revolution is now.


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SUM1 on a different platform had this topic up, she be saying that we seem to be holding a grudge that will only lead to our own demise.

guys, this government ( the new SA, post '94) has done a lot to ensure that what is ours goes back to the relevant owners those that has been robbed.
looking closer to home, in ZEERUST we were awarded the land back after a lengthy court battle with the settlers in zeerust.
the verdict gave Kgosi Moiloa, who is a descandant of the bahurutshe rulers, the rule of the land back.
nb## in retaining the bussines and prosperity on the land most whites bought the land back from the chief in deals that were administered to help the whole bahurutshe tribe to prosper. the municipality was renamed to RAMOTSHERE-MOILOA, signifying that the land now belongs to the bahurutshe, not the white man who called the then SEFATLHANE- ZEERUST.

we have ours back, but because we as BLACKS lack the skills we have been wronged in that way, on education, the land ghad to be re-sold to the farmers so they can continue their productivity that helps us all to prosper.
if we take the land from them and not work with them to establish a better future, we ba**icaly shootin ourselves in the foot.
i am not sayin a blackman cannot run a farm, but he is not equipped to.

the government can give us free education to the highest levels but that will take years to transform the poor - rich gap and even close it.
let the movement bring back the sense of being black and proud, the emphasis being on traditional way of doing things, which still opens a new debate as to why we wanna go back when technology and the world around us is advancing?

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