Is Graff Dead...?

SOYA DADDY · **Reply #15 on:** October 07, 2004, 09:22:00 PM

FAET..is this what you tried to post

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Dpleezy · **Reply #16 on:** October 08, 2004, 01:00:00 AM

Heheh,,, i was only expressing my opinion. It is entirely possible that I am living in the past but until I see something that changes my mind I will cling to my belief that spraycan art is played out.

That piece that you posted Space, could have been done in 1985 (maybe it was). The most amazing thing about graffiti when it first started was the decontextualisation of the image into the urban space. The technical ability of graff writers was no greater (or worse) than a lot of comic book artists. 20 years later, writing your name on a wall has lost its impact. It just looks like the set of a coca cola advert. played out. There is no wit, no message,,, just the buzz of doing something slightly illegal and ´underground´. That´s why I prefer banksy,,, it´s subversive, intelligent, witty, entertaining,,, not just childish visual masturbation. I also prefer the http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/photographs/" TARGET="_blank">Northern Ireland Conflict Murals,, that shit is dope.

Observatory has become full of legal graffiti,,, it would be more subversive to go around painting over that shit with a white roller.

Please point me to any spraycan art that proves me wrong,, i´d love to see it.

FuckYou · **Reply #17 on:** October 08, 2004, 03:46:00 PM

Ok, i definetly have to agree with you, Obs is turning into one big legal wall, and its getting f***ing played!!!!

FuckYou · **Reply #18 on:** October 08, 2004, 03:48:00 PM

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07-10-2004 at 18:00, Dplanet :

That piece that you posted Space, could have been done in 1985 (maybe it was).

Oh, i almost forgot, those pieces were recently, i was there when they painted it!

Dpleezy · **Reply #19 on:** October 08, 2004, 03:53:00 PM

hehe,,, for real.

but don´t get me wrong,,, i still love graff. i just think that it has lost some of it´s relevance. I mean, it started as an expression of creativity to brighten up the grim urban wastelands of the bronx etc,,, now middle-cla** suburban kids are spraying up people´s houses in Obz. Something not quite right there.

VirginPussy · **Reply #20 on:** October 08, 2004, 05:28:00 PM

i´ve neva been exposed to graff until i rocked up in Cape Town i was welcomed by vandalised walls in Woodstock ...its a pretty sight ive fallen inlove with graffiti i even smoke and meditate by checking the graff in Obz some catz are really good wit a spray can.....there are some houses graffed near College wackness rite thurrr..

rather thread a train station there are too much of those around here

FuckYou · **Reply #21 on:** October 08, 2004, 05:42:00 PM

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08-10-2004 at 08:53, Dplanet :

now middle-cla** suburban kids are spraying up people´s houses in Obz. Something not quite right there.

Do you mean rich white kids, from ....Constantia....

:-]

Dpleezy · **Reply #22 on:** October 08, 2004, 05:57:00 PM

heheh,,, well i didn´t like to say that,,, but yeah

AnonymisNinja · **Reply #23 on:** October 22, 2004, 08:28:00 PM

i started reading your first post and the first thing i thought of pointing out to is BANKSY but you already seem to be aware of this artist/stenciler/writer/bomber whatever you choose to call him.personally i see he him as a writer in the true sense of the word.the man bombs and he does what graffiti started out as-writing his NAME.

On the other hand with regards to not evolving-have you heard of dudes like MACCLAIM CREW(Ta**O,KIAM77 etc etc)from europe who are taking the art side of graffiti to another level.And then theres also NT crew who are taking it in their own direction where style is concerned.they not just recreating the wildstyle that you have all seen that come out of NYC.on top of that they still continue to bomb trains and wall fukt on their side of the world.

Im not a fan of most of the european work as i prefer the rawness of the OLD SCHOOL but i have to admit that they are taking it to another level.What would you r definition of THE EVOLUTION OF GRAFFITI be anyways?just out of curiosity...

also with regards to kids f***ing up observatory,thats what graffiti is.with everything you get the rough with the smooth and all those mad meaningful etc etc pieces you see in books and magazines started with a scribble on a white wall.......and graffiti like that will never die

AnonymisNinja · **Reply #24 on:** October 22, 2004, 08:42:00 PM

just checking if my signature works

AnonymisNinja · **Reply #25 on:** October 22, 2004, 08:49:00 PM

f*** how do you make that shit work?

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Nar8iv · **Reply #26 on:** October 26, 2005, 04:49:32 PM

i have done a few peices and know that development of your craft is vital if you want your name in lights , lately inthe tygerberger (central editio) there was an article about two kids who were caught by police tagging ( with night vision goggles nogal!)
the article labelled them graffiti "artists".

the "Blits" which "metrofail" releases as well labels anybody who has scribbled letters on a train surface "graffiti artists" whether the writing says "BALLAS VANNIE KRAAIBAK WAS HIER 27 HOSH" or is a well rendered DEK , TOE or ZEBO.

Once the discrepency between the two is clarified , maybe then hiphop can move on from fights about where graffiti belongs.
I'm connected to afew taggers / bombers....so I respect putting your label somewhere - but what destroys the ART is that so many shoddy peices are left on walls / so many badly-outlined /badly coloured peices line walls....and the same "ARTISTS" work stays a@ the same level for 2years.

Put effort into your work.
A tag/peice is a manifestation of a personal message.....if our message is poorly articulated then it will be seen as DEAD.

Dpleezy · **Reply #27 on:** October 26, 2005, 06:44:07 PM

i'd love to see those graf artists you mention Ninja,,, if you got any pics or links please post em up.

i got nothing against people writing on walls,,, what i object to is when it is sanitised and legalised,,, it becomes another form of "urban" cooption, losing all it's subversive power.

that's why banksy kills it for me,,, everything he does makes you think. it's not just decoration.

jahfish · **Reply #28 on:** November 02, 2005, 12:03:17 AM

mista planet should visit berlin

there's plenty of grafs and street art goin on here .... some japanese guy doin crazy typos, and a crew called 1up bombing the whole city, u see their (always nice) pieces all around

check that link:

http://flickr.com/photos/search/tags:streetart%2Cberlin/tagmode:all/

i think that graffitti was too much of a drawer "labeled hiphop" ... nowadays it has more freedom again and is able to be more creative again .... several techniques are "politically correct" again ... while the spraycan was the only tool supposed to be used for a while ...
anyway, i think graffitti has existed before the spraycan, through the latino's murals, through the "tagging" of russian soldiers when arriving in berlin at the reichstag, or just the several messages on walls you'll find all around the globe!

back in the 70ies/80ies, it was only a few creative heads freakin out with colours and havin some crazy thoughts and philosophies behind their thing ... and it was something rare and unique ...

then in between u had tagging which took the artform to a form of vandalism .... plus tons of people following trends and thinking graffitti will make them hiphop.

and i think that now something really interesting can come out of all this.

especially street art with all those messages will bring a new importance to the content.

back then it was all about decrypting names .....now u have lots of funny messages that u can laugh about, serious thoughts and ideas to pick up, even intersting news or beautifull pictures ..... all this on the walls around the block ....

hey D, i like to live in the old world too ... but the vibe of the new worlds rebels is hot!

i see kids havin their own little store with 20. i see exhibitions every month ...

if there is any graf heads reading, check out the following website and get in touch with adrian. he's one of the main figures in the berlin/german-graf-scene and organising this exhibition every year and more ... http://backjumps.org/

Dpleezy · **Reply #29 on:** November 02, 2005, 09:25:49 AM

that stuff you have mentioned is very cool but for me that falls under the Banksy category (which i love). my original point was that 'spraycan art' doesn't seem to have advanced much. 'street art' (stickers/ stencils etc) is where all the action/creativity/subversion is for me.

check out my man BASCHZ (http://www.baschz.com/) in Holland. Very cool shit...