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on: August 06, 2005, 07:57:24 PM
Where were you the day HipHop died
Is it too early to mourn is it too late to rhyme

- Talib Kweli

Coming from a show.Crowd was basically 12 - early 20s.Tried kicking some conscious rhymes to them, they wouldn't have it, until the Capleton, etc... tracks were played by the dj.i just said 'conscious rap music' and i got booed before the track even started. hiphop is now so commercialised the they (hiphop's new audience) think anything they don't hear on radio or on the charts is whack. the media has successfully done what the FBI did to the panthers: let it self-destruct.At this rate hiphop is going out: for good.My sister knows muzekezeke, malaika,etc...she aint NEVER paying no zimbabwe dollar to hear, say, immortal technique, unless he signs with the majors.hiphop is no longer a culture but a fashion statement.i think we are guilty if we don't make sure it lives on, by being stuck in our ways (that golden age underground mentality).in that respect common is keeping it real to me.but we must always remember that hiphop is not a saviour or a god.it's merely a channel-some rock for the chedda at the expense of a misguided generation.so my question is:

WHAT ARE YOU WHEN HIPHOP DIES?
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Reply #1 on: August 06, 2005, 08:16:45 PM
i was talking to my brother about how hip hop is changing and how hip hop headz are unhappy with the state of affairs,the way i see it is that hip hop is like water...water is fluid,takes shape of the things around it but it doesn't change its essence...

basically,what i'm saying is that hip hop is fluid,it will change shape but it won't die.Hip hop has its roots in the ancient story telling /poetry tradition and the most modern form of music...electronic music which used to be DJing now people make beats with their computers, it will always adapt and the audience will also change...

point is, because hip hop is adaptable it will not die...i think :?
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Reply #2 on: August 06, 2005, 09:28:17 PM
n o doubt i get what ya sayin hip hop aint revolutionary anymore i have been feelin that for over a year now i dont listen to most lyrics anymore cos it aint touchin me aint leavin me with the same feelin like the NWA's etc
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Reply #3 on: August 06, 2005, 09:31:35 PM
most mcees these days when they start writing they take in consideration something that will hype a crowd and something that will attract record companies or there groupie friends that say they the shit no pun intended.a couple of years ago i was on this site talkin bout how corporates gonna change shit look whats happening i think im the new age nostradamus
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Reply #4 on: August 06, 2005, 10:12:07 PM
hip hop dead?

a mind that's not inquisitive hasn't got really shit to live for...


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ou're looking through all these records and it's sort of like a big pile of broken dreams...

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Reply #5 on: August 07, 2005, 12:35:18 AM
Hip Hop can never die. It's illogical to say such a thing.

My personal feeling is that there is no avante garde in Southern African Hip Hop. All the self-titled 'underground' artists with 'something to say' have retreated into a mid-90's pastiche of the so-called 'golden age'.

How can you ever get a message across if your music is out of sync with the time and place you live?

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Reply #6 on: August 07, 2005, 08:55:37 AM
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Reply #7 on: August 07, 2005, 09:03:14 AM
Interesting posts u ppl dropped here.Will check that link out Rush.I'm sure its good.I think, as with everything, it doesnt really die.........it just changes.Music is always changing............disco died.........and changed into something else.Rock 'n Roll changed heavily..........and spawned a bunch of styles and all.

I guess Hip Hop music, can die, in a sense........but not entirely.Its gona spawn other musical styles which will be somewhat commercially viable and others, not so perhaps as well.Almost like a next generation of itself.U cant fight change........cause with change, u grow.Its not worth tryna fight something............but u can try and mould it and shape it to make sure that some of the good qualities it had, can be retained in the new incarnation.Just my view........agree or dont........its my tinking, currently. :wink:
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Reply #8 on: August 07, 2005, 03:50:04 PM
agree with cats that the cla**ic hip hop era i'd say of the early to mid- 90s (wu tang, biggie, jeru) is dead...

the only stuff bumping in my music system is obviously the immortal, last emperor & shit from way back!

hate the fact that 50 & the game are big role players in today's game
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Reply #9 on: August 07, 2005, 05:38:37 PM
Honestly, i am enjoying this era of hiphop as much as that of the 90s, I love that common shit,  "This aint 94"

1. Hip Hop in south africa wasnt much of a factor then, but now i step into a shop past american shelves, straight to cop an SA release, not cause its south african but cause the material is dope, str-8.

2. Even though hip hop then was more cla**ic in that the doper cats were more recognized than now, The music is much elevated than died if you ask me. More bullshit is played on radio than ever but the cats who were and are still are still dropping it as beautiful as then, I swear, when you pick up that Jay Dilla 10 years from now, ya'll will be saying that shit was golden.

Its jus that the ma**es are now deprived. Conditions have become much better, i mean 3 years ago, you could only hear jay-z, jay-z, now even cats like Ba4za get tight reviews!

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Reply #10 on: August 07, 2005, 06:28:50 PM
hehe,,, i can never understand the whole biggie/ tupac thing. straight pop music if ever there was. can someone explain to me how biggie was any different to 50 cent?

wu-tang really came out with something new and different back in the 90s but couldn't keep it going. everything goes in cycles. we're in the middle of a creatively barren period in the commercial market - this should inspire artists to come with something new. so far, the backlash against the candy-coated commercial shit is only producing retro music, harking back to the 'golden era'. artists don't have the musical vision or courage to do something new and fresh to capture a new market in the way wu did.

'heads' are just making music for other 'heads',,, creating a tiny retro niche that is never going to get them anywhere.

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Reply #11 on: August 07, 2005, 09:42:48 PM
Quote from Qtip Tribe called Quest  - Low End Theory Album 1991

"i said simple daddy dont you know that things go in cycles/
the way that bobby brown is just ampin like michael"/

well not that bobby blew up... but hiphop is dieing not to be dead but to be reborn back to the essense of the orignal formula.

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Reply #12 on: August 07, 2005, 10:52:27 PM
I dont know about dying... I'm feelin what Dp gots to say... there are still hundreds of young kids coming up wit mad talent, they just have no direction in which to channel that talent.
Rush you right hip hop aint all about revolution anymore.. BECAUSE IT CANT BE, a revolution cant exist indefinitely that is destructive, revolution is a gateway to a change, it is just the means not the objective.
There will always be hip hop you dont like. EVERYDAY I hear music I dont like, BUT at least once a week i hear something I love, and thats good enuff, once a week good outweighs everyday bad, the good will last longer.
stagnation helps no one, that whole,  "preserve what we see a s cla**ic at the expense of any forward motion" viewpoint held by too many heads only brings about the extinction of the art in total.
Blueprint, Illmatic, Resurrection, Criminal Minded, Shook Ones, Straight Outta Compton, Doggystyle, Full Clip...all these cla**ics hit us so hard cos they had SICK content, BUT ALSO cos they came at the time we needed them, if they dropped now, they wouldnt be as good, they would still be good but they wouldnt be AS good, we need new material, we need our kids', "Full Clip", "Illmatic" et al... it cant all happen at once.
Can I get a Soul CLap could be what yo kids see as the seminal work, or Ancient Men's "Food for Life" or Drudge Dialect Mixtape or OOtz ZCC Breaks.
Stop looking back at other people's lives for the key to YOUR best work, enjoy the nostalgia and the memories but if its your work it should coem from your life.
Do that and Hip HOP WIll live 4eva
NOBODY TELLS ME I'M COOL, HARD TO TALK WHEN YO TEETH CHATTERING.

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Reply #13 on: August 07, 2005, 10:58:11 PM
can i get a muthaf***in' witness!!

word. couldn't have put it better myself :)

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Reply #14 on: August 07, 2005, 11:04:46 PM
Hey thats why they pay me for this shit 8)  :wink:
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