I think cat's like El-p and Puffy are one in the same.
Only difference is the gimmik they use to sell there particular style of Hip Hop. Puffy went the money route and El-p went the backpacker route.
Both found a gap in the market and used it to their advantage.
I've heard worse albums than funcrusher believe me, i don't think i was that bad, what's f***ed up is the way people percieved the album, especially here in S.A.
Hip Hoppers are always trying act up as if they the hardest thing round, the cutting edge society that sets the f***ing standard. Def Jux is based on this idea and feeds this bullshit into the minds on cat's who at the end of the day don't know Hip Hop before 96'.
Watch the Revenge of the Robots DVD to see what a bunch of Pussies these cat's really are, 'Manic depressive' Aesop Rock, 'Hissy fit throwing, i'm the boss' El-p. Mr Lif the only cat that captures that Hip Hop element outta an entire record label and proves it on a live show, while El-p catches his breath in the backround!
f*** A DEF JUX!! Shit will be dead way before any cla**ic type shit pa**es!