HYPE MAGAZINE IN STORES

[Young-n-mighty]

NOTE TO THE PEOPLE WHO PUT OUT THAT HYPE MAG

IT APPEARS THAT MOST OF THE CONTENT IS SYNDICATED ARTICLES, LIKE WHAT IS THIS - SL FOR BLACK PEOPLE? WHY IS THERE THIS DUPLICATON OF MATERIAL?? WE´RE THE CONSUMERS... IF IT DONT GET ORIGINAL, BE WARNED WE AINT BUYING... COZ CLEARLY YOU GUYS JUST SAT THINKING HOW CAN WE USE THE SAME CONTENT BUT PACKAGE AND BRAND IT DIFFERENTLY AND MAKE PROFIT? THAT IS NOT FOR THE LOVE OF HIP HOP, YOU´RE JUST EXPLOITING OUR ALREADY SHALLOW POCKETS. PUT REAL EFFORT IN NEXT TIME. :-Y  :-Y  :-Y  :-Y  :-Y  :-Y

[khoi]

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29-06-2004 at 10:16, Young-n-mighty : i think we should start talking about HIPHOP FROM SOUTH AFRICA and not just SOUTH AFRICAN HIPHOP... Some hip hop from South  (ern) Africa will sound ´american´ and some will draw on home influences. some will sound completely on another tip. Coz does Hymphatic Thabs not sound original, yet mostly he rhymes in English. [/QOUTE] When are going to stop making influence a scapegoat for being fake, look, I for one is heavily influenced by Prodigy of Mobb Deep in my ears - I repeat in my ears - dude is the GOAT, but you’ll never hear me spit that murder music of theirs or rap in his coma flow – cause that not me… I said it before you cats like local cats who bite US cats you respect e.g. Maximum Sentence is and was a congregation of Canibus wannabes and majority verdict was – shit is cla**ic. Tumi sounds like the lead rapper from Scienz Of Life, verdict he’s one of the most conscious cats to come out of SA. Then we have Battlecat – bites whoever is hot at the moment from Hi-Tek, The Roots, Primo to Kanye West and the verdict he’s one of the hottest producers around. And then come Pitch Black Afro and the first thing that comes out cats’ mouth is “Why does he sound like Busta Rhymes/ he’s wack – he sounds like Busta” and I ask: “what u think of BMP/ Hymphatic Thabs” and the answer “they are tight/ original” and I say: “don’t you by any chance pick Co-Flow here and there and everywhere else” and the answer is “it’s influence” [QOUTE] And what about white boys who rap? and maybe they´re just not like lekgoa. [/QOUTE] The rapping in their mother tongue aren´t they? and as far as Model C´s goes i understand, but leave the New York out of your raps e.g. Nigga, Nigga/ Motherf***cker/ the younahmean my niggaz and nigarezzez...word in bun! ~ Coon [QOUTE] lets face it, this art form was born in the BroNX, its like that. So ya, we can find the local flavour, but those who dont speak the language are not excluded. Coz the question is who produced it, and where. If its done here then damn it its from here. If its done in Zimbabwe then damn it its from Zimbabwe. Bros, lets stop trying to essentialise what South African is in this global order. That´s just so tribal. kind of like- this is how we are and this is how we´ll always be. MIZCHIF is Mzansi hiphop even though he is Zimbabwean - coz this is where it happens for him and this is where he collaborates, contributes and grows. [/QOUTE] according to KRS On/ Talib Kweli/ Afrika Bhambatha(sp), hip-hop if from here on this one - i don´t know how´s fooling who here [QOUTE] And that goes for all Music... REALLY, LIKE South Afircan R&B has the same struggle. Despite efforts by TWINS to indigenize it. I believe hiphop struggles only because people dont have much in their pockets in South Africa to help them broaden their musical interests. WHY ISNT SKWATTA SELLING AS MUCH AS MAFIKIZOLO? Coz hiphop in any form is new and ´alien´ to South Africa, you buy it as added an extra. Empty pockets makes appreciating hiphop harder in South Africa. I mean, damn even Zola sells but not as much as Phuzekhemisi, coz the people that buy his music dont have all the money to explore variety. It´s economics man. Zubz would do fine if people could just throw their money around like kids do in Germany and America. German kids listen to blimmn everything coz they can afford to be exposed to it. Note to aspiring celebrities: If you wanna move units and make dough, go to germany and sell to german kids.

1. Skwattah Kamp CD is R99.99 @ CD  Wherehouse in Rosebank and Mafikizolo is R89.99 and you can buy Mafikizolo in Noord Street, Tembisa and for Skwattah you hav to go to Rosebank and for me to get there i have to take 2 taxis. To see them Live you hav to be in Who´s Zoo - no taxis to take you home when the leave at 3am - you have to pay R50 to get in...

2. Skwatta is aiming at the model C (minority)- i.e. their Mkhukhu Function is more Ludacris than Mandoza – yes they commercialised by the wrong way if you look at it like the same people who buy maskandi (majority).

We all know the truth jus we are afraid accept it if you wanna commercialise here you have to have infuse kwaito or traditional, even gospel (no Keck Franklin, but Rebecca/ Barorisi Ba Morena) into hip-hop, also being from the suburbs and screaming “kasi this kasi that” does not make you sell records, so is rapping in Sotho/ Zulu and all those African lingoes – the trick in how you do it.



[ This message was edited by: khoi on 29-06-2004 11:35 ]

[Young-n-mighty]

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according to KRS On/ Talib Kweli/ Afrika Bhambatha(sp), hip-hop if from here on this one - i don´t know how´s fooling who here

hiphop does not originate from africa. although clearly the oral nature of the form is very much an african feature. thats like saying the blues originated in africa, or jazz. it didnt. its an artform that grew in the wider diaspora with its own historical and political context. in fact, hip hop originated from Jamaican djs.

[khoi]

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29-06-2004 at 11:52, Young-n-mighty : Quote: according to KRS On/ Talib Kweli/ Afrika Bhambatha(sp), hip-hop if from here on this one - i don´t know how´s fooling who here hiphop does not originate from africa. although clearly the oral nature of the form is very much an african feature. thats like saying the blues originated in africa, or jazz. it didnt. its an artform that grew in the wider diaspora with its own historical and political context. in fact, hip hop originated from Jamaican djs.

who Kool Herc?

[Young-n-mighty]

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. Skwattah Kamp CD is R99.99 @ CD Wherehouse in Rosebank and Mafikizolo is R89.99 and you can buy Mafikizolo in Noord Street, Tembisa and for Skwattah you hav to go to Rosebank and for me to get there i have to take 2 taxis. To see them Live you hav to be in Who´s Zoo - no taxis to take you home when the leave at 3am - you have to pay R50 to get in... 2. Skwatta is aiming at the model C (minority)- i.e. their Mkhukhu Function is more Ludacris than Mandoza – yes they commercialised by the wrong way if you look at it like the same people who buy maskandi (majority). We all know the truth jus we are afraid accept it if you wanna commercialise here you have to have infuse kwaito or traditional, even gospel (no Keck Franklin, but Rebecca/ Barorisi Ba Morena) into hip-hop, also being from the suburbs and screaming “kasi this kasi that” does not make you sell records, so is rapping in Sotho/ Zulu and all those African lingoes – the trick in how you do it.

i think you´re right.
so whoever manages to get the style as crossover as possible will sell the most.
i actually think that Stoan, although he dont rap really, might have something going there with his style.
but even then. maybe its not that - the fact is hip hop is YOUNG PEOPLE´S MUSIC. YOUNG PEOPLE DONT GOT NO CASH In this country.
its the adults that have cash and hip hop is not their cuppa tea.
but REBECCA IS.

[eef_haf]

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28-06-2004 at 17:44, MentalGymnast : I think its all about RELEVANCE (English, German, Japanese, Wolof, Arabic whatever!) and of course NICE MUSIC

Had to quote that^^.

It all comes down to something a lot of rappers say but never do: "KEEP IT REAL". If some guys practised what they preach, then we would not have a conflict in the music that we do and failing to represent who we are and our natural habitat.

We been through this many times before and there will be more debates around this in the future. I can only say that I am glad that rappers who represent in their mother tongues or whatever language in their multilingual repertoire are not looked down upon as they once were just few years ago during the punchline-craze-phase.

HIPHOP IS FOR EVERYONE!
Hiphop has many styles and they should all have fair exposure. Rocking in an indigenous language automatically makes a song South African but it does not make it Dope or Relevant.

As far as I know Zubz is dope, has made songs I can relate to, so I hope it was just a misunderstanding with Khoi.

peace

[khoi]

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29-06-2004 at 12:10, eef_haf : Quote: 28-06-2004 at 17:44, MentalGymnast : I think its all about RELEVANCE (English, German, Japanese, Wolof, Arabic whatever!) and of course NICE MUSIC Had to quote that^^. It all comes down to something a lot of rappers say but never do: "KEEP IT REAL". If some guys practised what they preach, then we would not have a conflict in the music that we do and failing to represent who we are and our natural habitat. We been through this many times before and there will be more debates around this in the future. I can only say that I am glad that rappers who represent in their mother tongues or whatever language in their multilingual repertoire are not looked down upon as they once were just few years ago during the punchline-craze-phase. HIPHOP IS FOR EVERYONE! Hiphop has many styles and they should all have fair exposure. Rocking in an indigenous language automatically makes a song South African but it does not make it Dope or Relevant. As far as I know Zubz is dope, has made songs I can relate to, so I hope it was just a misunderstanding with Khoi. peace

The only issue i hav with Zubz is his stand on whether we should hav a "Mzantsi Sound" and the fact that he lacks originality, likes to decipher tracks and he always cooks up excuses for that...

[khoi]

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29-06-2004 at 12:00, Young-n-mighty : Quote: . Skwattah Kamp CD is R99.99 @ CD Wherehouse in Rosebank and Mafikizolo is R89.99 and you can buy Mafikizolo in Noord Street, Tembisa and for Skwattah you hav to go to Rosebank and for me to get there i have to take 2 taxis. To see them Live you hav to be in Who´s Zoo - no taxis to take you home when the leave at 3am - you have to pay R50 to get in... 2. Skwatta is aiming at the model C (minority)- i.e. their Mkhukhu Function is more Ludacris than Mandoza – yes they commercialised by the wrong way if you look at it like the same people who buy maskandi (majority). We all know the truth jus we are afraid accept it if you wanna commercialise here you have to have infuse kwaito or traditional, even gospel (no Keck Franklin, but Rebecca/ Barorisi Ba Morena) into hip-hop, also being from the suburbs and screaming “kasi this kasi that” does not make you sell records, so is rapping in Sotho/ Zulu and all those African lingoes – the trick in how you do it. 0 i think you´re right. so whoever manages to get the style as crossover as possible will sell the most. i actually think that Stoan, although he dont rap really, might have something going there with his style. but even then. maybe its not that - the fact is hip hop is YOUNG PEOPLE´S MUSIC. YOUNG PEOPLE DONT GOT NO CASH In this country. its the adults that have cash and hip hop is not their cuppa tea. but REBECCA IS.

If Stoan realeses a solo he won´t sell as much, too bad for his the "Senseless era of music in SA" has past, it’s now about can u making songs on not and i believe my man can´t. The only cat that going to push units it’s Pitch Black Afro believe me… he mastered the “hip-hop-kwaito crossover”

mark my words

[MentalGymnast]

Khoi my man, You speak true!
Pitch black afro has the whole market on lock, and (I think) he´s done it without selling himself out (ie. doing it just cause it sells) I think his music is honest and unpretencious(sp). his crossover appeal is a result of him being influenced by both sounds (hip hop and kwaito) not because cleo says he has to add kwaito flavour.
 

[khoi]

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29-06-2004 at 16:19, MentalGymnast : Khoi my man, You speak true! his crossover appeal is a result of him being influenced by both sounds (hip hop and kwaito) not because cleo says he has to add kwaito flavour.

it´s funny who these so-called producer want all the credit, and Cleo will say that the shit sold cause of his "kwaito flavour", yes he did a marvellous [comparing him to all these fong kong kwaito/ hip-hop producers] job on the beats, but credit must go to PBA those beats sound kak when the other dudes rap on them. "Sthukzin kai-one"
:-]

[PhibaOptik]

u cats nee dto decide what u wanna discuss under which threads...
this is a thread for HYPE MAGAZINE...
can´t u cats read..

[TATEguru v.2K9]

I agree with Phib but let me put a link to the track "2 Questions" on this thread and start another more appropriately titled thread where we can thrash the Venac rhyming thing out.
Download 2 Questions http://tate.rucus.net/hiphocalypse/08 2 Questions.wma" TARGET="_blank">HERE.

[PhibaOptik]

reminds me Snoop´s Deep Cover chorus..

YEAH.. AND IT DON´T STOP...

[khoi]

Phiba and Tate, I was only stating how I felt about the column on the mag and what Zubz said in it. I wasn´t forcing people to rap in venac...

[The Ebony Cat]

Lemme lay it out for you...

Zubz studied at Rhodes. He is the webmaster of www.rage.co.za. He rolls with al these publicity people. He understands the dynamics of the media.

Zubz will be releasing his album in a few weeks or so, and the man is generating the necessary attention.

Pure genius if you ask me.